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Anne Boleyn
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So with the Tudors becoming popular on TikTok; people are speculating on Anne’s DOB - not just the old 1501 vs 1507 argument, but her actual birthday! So that brings me to my question: when do you think her birthday is likely to have been? I know it wasn’t recorded so we have no way of knowing; but I’ve seen March 21st mentioned, along with the possibility that she was born on St Anne’s day, hence her name. I don’t know what the justification for the March birthday is though!
Bonus question: are you team 1501 or 1507? I still can’t decide!
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In the show “The Tudors”, Natalie plays Anne Boleyn. Now my favourite wife is CoA, and I think she was played very well, but I feel like they portrayed Anne to be more cruel than she was supposed to be in real life. I can’t see how people swooned over her if she was truly that vindictive towards CoA and Mary and other characters. Thoughts?
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Or did he just take his good luck at not being executed and get away? It seems to me he cared more about the power and prestige than his actual daughter and son being beheaded
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I'm quite interested to hear people's opinions on this whether pure speculation or even better backed up by the sources.
My person opinion is that he was aware she was not guilty but in his own messed up way believed she deserved to die. My reason for this is the difference in his behaviour after the accusations about Anne came out (generally not that of a shocked/ unhappy vicitim) and his total dispear when Catherine Howard's downfall came.
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What is the best book in your opinion about Anne Boleyn?
I read The Lady In The Tower by Alison Weir years ago which was really good.
I’m looking for something fairly readable and not too complex. I sometimes get a bit dazed by hundreds of different names and dates in books… that might be just me!
I was looking at The Final Year of Anne Boleyn by Natalie Grueninger, has anyone here read it?
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I know it was wrong for her to be executed but many innocents were.
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Okay I need to ask..why do people love her so much? She was horrible to Catherine of Aragon. She was so happy to hear of her death. She said "there is good news All round, Catherine is dead" like really?? She also wouldn't reunite Mary with her father unless she recognized her as queen. She just all around seems like a bad person. I think people just love the actress more so than anne herself. I would love some insight on this. I will say I cried at the execution scene as I don't believe she deserved that.
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I was just reading about Henry VIII’s courtship of Anne Boleyn and two instances when she faced peril. In 1528, she survived sweating sickness and near seizure by a crowd of angry women in 1531. If Anne Boleyn died after these events, would the Reformation still occur — Her premature death means no Elizabeth I but was Henry VIII & Catherine of Aragon’s divorce inevitable?
And how much political influence did Anne Boleyn have during Henry VIII’s courtship — she received diplomats and petitions, but could she make overt political acts?
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It's easy to look back and assume, because we know that Henry annulled two marriages and executed two wives, that Anne was more deliberate in her actions than maybe she was. I see a lot of writing on her assume the perspective that she was smart, ambitious and fairly manipulative. That her intention in refusing to become Henry's lover was a play for the throne.
But when their affair began, there was no precedent for Queens being executed. Henry had been married to his first and only wife Katherine for years. They had a daughter. Katherine was aging but not apparently unhealthy or likely to die any time soon. The actions Henry eventually took in relation the church must have been unthinkable before it he did it. Religion was such a huge part of life, excommunication was a huge deal. As was evidenced in how long he tried to have an annulment granted, it was incredibly unlikely he could just put her aside on a whim and nothing like that had happened during Anne's lifetime or in recent history. Katherine was also popular and had powerful allies.
I just can't imagine that in her wildest imaginings, she could have anticipated any realistic chance of beoming his his wife at the stage he began courting her. So, possibly her determination to hold on to her virtue was just, genuine? She was religious, and the concept of God was quite literal at the time. Clearly people did have sex outside of wedlock at the time, as Henry had lovers before Anne, including Anne's sister. But perhaps her refusal to sleep with him was based on her own genuine morality, as well as a desire to keep her reputation and make a good marriage for herself, rather than as a way to keep him interested and to cause him to discard Katherine? Her removing herself from court is portrayed by Weir as expertly timed to arouse his desire even more but, maybe she just really wanted to escape his persual or even remove herself from temptation? Maybe she tried really hard to not to get involved and genuinely fell in love with him (or felt unable to extract herself given he was the king and clearly not willing to give up chasing her).
I don't doubt that once Henry started looking for ways to annul his marriage and promising to marry her she went with it and pushed hard for things to go in that direction also. All evidence is that she was smart and she had strong religious ideals and views, that she used her influence with Henry as far as she could and beyond the point even he tolerated eventually. But initially, I can't believe she had a clue that becoming queen was a realistic prospect and so I think her motives were more straight forward and genuine than she is given credit for.
She is often portrayed as a adept at navigating court, politics and manipulating Henry. Everything she did is read into as a calculated move. Her early life at the French court is cited a lot for providing the groundwork for her political savvy and knowledge of how to wrap men around her finger. But... she wasn't all that great at managing relationships. She often made Henry angry. She alienated and angered a lot of people. She seems to have been impulsive and had a temper. She didn't seem to fully understand the expectations of her once she was married to Henry, she did not act 'properly' for a queen and wife- she was too confrontational, too vocal, she was not able to read the river when he started to tire of her and reign in her strong views and strong character. This smooth operator with all the tricks and subtle wiles is not reflected in her inability to adapt to her change in status from 'object of desire who can do no wrong' to 'wife and queen who must be obident, submissive, make babies and turn a blind eye to the kings mistresses'. She didn't have a clue how to make allies and stay in favour. Not giving him a son may have been a huge factor in him turning on her, but her behaviour may have meant the difference between another trumped up annulment and execution.
I just think too much calculation is attributed to her because she was well educated and political. She was still a woman in a time when women were not in positions of genuine power. She didn't meet Henry, head of the church of England, of the famous six wives. She met Henry, Husband of Katherine of Aragon. Henry 'defender of the faith' Tudor. How could she possibly have known?
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I’ve just recently gotten into Tudor history, and i’ve been getting some mixed answers when i’ve researched what AB’s relationship with Mary was like. I know that Henry was an awful neglectful father to her, and some people have told me that Anne mistreated her step daughter while others have said she tried to reach out to her and was kind. So if anyone here knows more about the topic please let me know.
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