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[–]Patriotsclutchhattrick 904 points905 points  (52 children)

Unironically , How about a N’Keal Harry swap?

[–]PatriotsChromedomemoe2 559 points560 points  (28 children)

It almost makes too much sense to swap two bad picks and send them back to their homes.

[–]PatriotsFC37 200 points201 points  (24 children)

Not to mention the NKeal Harry/Anquan Boldin comparisons.

[–]Cardinalsawmaleg 129 points130 points  (8 children)

Sold. When NKeal was at ASU that’s who he reminded me of. I thought he’d be great (shows why I don’t draft or gamble!)

[–]Cardinalsmrpodo 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Don't beat yourself up too much, belichick thought the same.

[–]Cardinalsawmaleg 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Whoa me and Bill agreed on something. Brilliant way of looking at it!

[–]PatriotsBoldestKobold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So did a lot of people. He was generally considered a "B+" at where the Pats picked him according to a lot of media folks.

He has certainly been a bust in hindsight, but on draft night he wasn't considered a bad pick.

[–]PatriotsBearTrapp20 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ok. But only if you promise not to watch any of N’Keal’s NFL tape prior to trade.

[–]Easy_Gas_9723 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I mean if you’re the cardinals and he wants out, why not take a 4th 5th or 6th for him since he never really sees the field anyways.

Can’t imagine him going for a 2nd or 3rd at this point.

[–]CardinalsElimia987 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'd take him over Isabella. Maybe we could pack a few pounds on him and convert him to a FB/TE. That sounds more realistic than Andy being in our offense. I think it could be a good trade for both teams. We are known for physical receivers (Roy Green, Pat Tilley, Boldin, Fitz, now DHop), and NE likes those little smurf receivers.

[–]Cardinalsawmaleg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Makes too much sense to not happen. Does Keim Reddit here?

[–]PatriotsJimmyHasASmallDick 55 points56 points  (13 children)

They both play WR. That's the end of those comparisons.

[–]Cardinalsvshredd 52 points53 points  (12 children)

N’Keal Harry tries to play WR. Anquan was a man among boys at the position. Massive difference.

[–]Cardinalsmr-e94 45 points46 points  (5 children)

Boldin was a linebacker that could catch the ball. One of my favorite players ever

[–]NoHalfPleasures 4 points5 points  (1 child)

N'Keal harry is a fullback who can run fast?

[–]CardinalsElimia987 4 points5 points  (0 children)

See my comment upstream. I really think he could work as a FB/TE hybrid.

[–]Patriotsjpaxlux 6 points7 points  (2 children)

N’Keal Harry tries to play WR.

Debatable, at this point he's more of a blocking TE than a WR

[–]Patriotsmorosco 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Harry may be more valuable as a 3rd-string TE type than Isabella as a WR.

Really, neither of them should be in the league.

[–]Patriotsjpaxlux 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah the only thing Harry's been useful at so far is blocking. After 3 years the dude's apparently failed to learn the playbook, failed to be even an average WR with Tom Brady, Cam Newton, and Mac Jones, and sometimes it looks like he's not even trying. If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd be playing in Canada right now.

[–]Patriotsrickyhou22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Harry is a boy among men at the position

[–]CommandersJoeyBrickz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And the Andy Isabella/Edelman, Amendola, Welker, Hogan comparisons

[–]Chiefs2ent1n_Qarant1no 54 points55 points  (0 children)

That's a really funny coincidence lol

(For anyone who doesn't know, Harry went to Arizona State and Isabella went to UMass)

[–]Chiefsjeffp12 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Aj Jenkins for Jon Baldwin vibes

[–]CardinalsN8V_Link 79 points80 points  (4 children)

No way, you have to pay for the locker room vending machine as well.

[–]PatriotsInamanlyfashion 45 points46 points  (3 children)

We'll pay to stock it one time.

[–]ChargersThe_Summer_Man 41 points42 points  (2 children)

Stock it for the next 3 years, I don't want the guys paying for soda anymore.

[–]PatriotsInamanlyfashion 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Fine but they're getting store brand

[–]CowboysJerryJonesStoleMyCar 27 points28 points  (0 children)

These motherfuckers gonna be on the sideline with a crisp can of Dr. Thunder in their hands lmfao

[–]LargoGold 35 points36 points  (4 children)

As a Cardinals fan I do this trade 100%. Andy is a bust, I don’t even see the Patriots making him average. Same with Harry but at least they both get to go home.

[–]Patriotsclutchhattrick 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Worst case scenario they both get cut which is likely to happen if they don’t get traded anyways

[–]LargoGold 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Exactly, I think this trade would be a slam dunk for both sides.

And watch Isabella get traded to like Cleveland for a 7th lol

[–]Patriotsrandomnickname99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd do it too. There's always the possibility that Isabella just didn't really get the offense in Arizona and it will click for him in New England. Same thing for Harry. Why not give it a shot?

[–]VikingsHugefootballfan44 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Reminds me of the Jon Baldwin for AJ Jenkins trade

[–]Cardinalscardiaccards420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rather save the 2 mil tbh

[–]Patriotspooroldben 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The ole AJ Jenkins for Jon Baldwin win-win trade?

[–]Jetszachthompson02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Has Isabella been as bad as Harry?

[–]TexansFrankSucks89 419 points420 points  (12 children)

Heat up? I mean who is giving more than maybe a 6th for him?

[–]Cardinalsbeer_down 241 points242 points  (10 children)

It went from 0 Kelvin to 1 Kelvin

[–]Buccaneers17_Saints 249 points250 points  (9 children)

1 Kelvin is massive in the NFL though.

[–]TexansTristawesomeness 28 points29 points  (0 children)

man puts the wide in wide receiver.

[–]RamsCB1984 25 points26 points  (0 children)

A 6th? No chance. A conditional 7th, maybe.

[–]CardinalsBtownBrelooms 445 points446 points  (30 children)

Give us literally any draft pick and he's yours Patriots.

[–]PatriotsBadger623 376 points377 points  (22 children)

you can have nkeal harry and that’s it lol

[–]CardinalsWhoShotMrBoddy 193 points194 points  (11 children)

I bet a bunch of ASU fans will be happy for him to come back home

[–]CardinalsMarleyp199523 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Yup lol

[–]49ersron-darousey 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Reunite Harry and Eno Benjamin let's go

[–]49ersigota103 15 points16 points  (0 children)

And then NKeal Harry will drop a 100piece on us during the Cardinals' yearly hot streak next season

[–]bro_esq2 45 points46 points  (6 children)

As a UMass fan I’d be happy to see Isabella back here too! Seems like neither team can lose a Harry for Isabella trade!

[–]TheSerpentDeceiver 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Seems like neither team can win a Harry for Isabella trade.

[–]bro_esq2 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You say potato, I say potato.

[–]PatriotsAmericanFootballFan1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Meh instead of having a bottom of the depth chart receiver who is pouting and clearly wanting out you just get a bottom of the depth chart receiver.

[–]TitansDevitosjeans 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Isabella was so good for the minutemen. Literally the only bright spot on that roster that year

[–]Patriotsripmeleedair 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The bright spot for Umass football that year was good tailgates

[–]PatriotsFiercedeity77 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Fine by me. They’ve both disappointed so far so I’ll take the disappointment who went to the same college as I did. Not to mention it means I get to stop watching Harry. Win win.

[–]PatriotsJ-Team07 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I do like seeing Harry block.

[–]PatriotsSure-Telephone3130 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This... actually makes sense. N'Keal gets to go back to his college town, Andy gets to come to a place he wants to play. Maybe the change of scenery helps, and maybe it doesn't. Wouldn't be too hard to move on from either of them at this point.

[–]Cardinalsnnnoooeee 57 points58 points  (3 children)

I would honestly love that straight up. Change of scenery may help them each out and if it doesn't work, well neither team was doing anything with them anyway and both will be cut. Otherwise, neither player is worth much more value unfortunately (anybody giving up picks for these guys?)

[–]49ersrunningblack 25 points26 points  (2 children)

This has shades of AJ Jenkins for Jon Baldwin

A swap of non-performing young players, who see the field even less on their new teams

[–]CardinalsProjectTitan74 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Isabella played 38 snaps last year so thats hard to do lol

[–]CardinalsBtownBrelooms 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Deal. Bring the men back home.

[–]VikingsBroken-Nero 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I’d trade him if the Pats agreed to stock my vending machines for a year. Forget the draft picks.

[–]Cardinalsbeer_down 1021 points1022 points  (136 children)

Remember when the guy who drafted Isabella in the 2nd round ahead of DK Metcalf got a 5 year extension? Good times

[–]BearsLinuxF4n 182 points183 points  (35 children)

TBF there were 4 teams who drafted a WR ahead of Metcalf that were questionable. Chiefs drafted Hardman when they could really use a big fast tall WR (although Hardman is a really good returner though), Eagles drafted Arcega-Whiteside, Colts drafted Parris Campbell and Cards drafted Isabella.

[–]SaintsMilton__Obote 115 points116 points  (20 children)

I think the Chiefs drafted Hardman when they thought they might have to replace Hill so that kinda makes sense. No excuse for the other three though.

[–]DolphinsSharks2431 54 points55 points  (15 children)

I mean, Metcalf would've been the better Hill substitute anyway.

[–]CowboysJalensTinyPPHurts 138 points139 points  (13 children)

Dk was not a fool proof cannidate, he was fairly injury prone, and wasn't very productive for someone with his meseurables.

[–]RaidersPapasmurphsjunk 46 points47 points  (1 child)

This sub really just pretends their hindsight takes were obvious at the time. Metcalf was super controversial at the time lol

[–]LionsKen_Nard 11 points12 points  (0 children)

At the time Metcalf was the "Guaranteed 1st round bust".

[–]DolphinsSharks2431 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Sure, I'm just saying if we're going to play revisionist history, the Chiefs shouldn't get a pass.

[–]BroncosGP_ADD 16 points17 points  (4 children)

DK was more productive in college than Hardman even with the injuries*

*on offense, no special teams included

Honestly, neither of their stats in college were great. DK showed a bit more as an offensive weapon and had the measurables, but the injury concerns do make it pretty even I guess.

[–]PackersAn_EgGo_ToAsT 16 points17 points  (3 children)

In fairness, DK had no route tree in college besides run straight line. He basically had no route running pre-nfl. If you watch him as a rookie, he ran like 4-5 routes as well. That really started expanding as he was a vet. He obviously had the size, speed and instincts to make it work, but there were real questions on if he could run routes.

[–]Seahawksliberocinderace 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Kollmann broke it down due to mediocre QB and bad scheme in his video on Metcalf predraft.

Metcalf and Herbert should be proof that bad college careers isn’t necessarily on the players themselves.

[–]Bengalswhodey_35 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s fair to say Herbert had a bad college career

[–]PackersAn_EgGo_ToAsT 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sure but you can't exactly scout that. You can't assume DK can run routes despite not being asked to do so. Like AJ Brown was clearing the better WR from an NFL perspective, in reality it's way closer than the scouting let on of course, but AJ ran a full route tree and showed the skills.

Herbert had a great college career lol

[–]PatriotsFantasyTrash 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Aside from the injuries, you basically described Hardman. All he offered was speed. He wasn't very productive in college, he doesn't run great routes, and he's not a physical specimen. He's just really fast.

[–]BengalsJaMarrChasingJoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's literally John Ross. My god John Ross was so terrible.

[–]BuccaneersJaymongous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wasn't he also recovering from a gnarly neck injury?

[–]ChiefsTheMarkMadsen 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Hindsight is 20/20, but the Chiefs could have had a team of Mahomes/Hill/Kelce/Metcalf and Jonathan Taylor had we drafted differently.

[–]ColtsJonathanTaylorOPOY 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, looking back Parris Campbell wasn't a bad pick at the time and nobody could have seen that he'd miss 34 games in 3 seasons. He didn't have injury concerns in college that I can remember.

[–]Coltsfuzzynavel34 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Campbell is actually talented. He just cannot stay healthy through like a single game. It's one of the most saddening things I've ever seen lol.

[–]ColtsShawn_1512 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Parris is actually a pretty good receiver when healthy, the problem is he's only healthy for 1-2 games a year.

[–]PatriotsAmericanFootballFan1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Nkeal Harry so bad people can't even remember to put him on these lists.

[–]BearsLinuxF4n 3 points4 points  (1 child)

lol I forgot he even existed.

[–]PatriotsXRT28 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lucky

[–]BroncosDicky-Woodhouse 44 points45 points  (11 children)

Eh. 31 GMs passed on DK twice. Isabella was a fine pick in the second given his pedigree in college.

[–]Seahawkskaratemanchan37 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Technically we also passed on him twice. We drafted him with our second 2nd round pick that year.

[–]PatriotsAmericanFootballFan1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wouldn't that technically still work out to 31 teams (ignoring any other trades that I am not invested enough to look into)?

[–]EaglesIceGeek 8 points9 points  (1 child)

People in the eagles sub can’t let this go like the Seahawks are some amazing team at drafting when they’re not.

[–]RavensExpendable_Red_Shirt 366 points367 points  (22 children)

He wants to go to the GM who drafted N’Keal Harry earlier in the same draft, ahead of AJ Brown and Deebo.

[–]CardinalsKevin_DurSuperTeam 181 points182 points  (16 children)

Don't forget DK Metcalf, Diontae Johnson, and Terry McLaurin

[–]Patriotstewahp 74 points75 points  (7 children)

🤦‍♂️

[–]Patriotsbnelli15 35 points36 points  (6 children)

Pain

[–]Patriotsspssky 18 points19 points  (4 children)

The Terry McLaurin one is the one that hurts the most I think. Had him in fantasy his rookie year so I would try and watch a couple of Washington drives a week and it was painfully obvious that the kid just had it

[–]ChargersIThinkILikeYou 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I feel so bad for him, he has so much talent and it's being squandered on the WFT

[–]EaglesTopScallion2700 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right there with you brother.

[–]RamsMycoJoe 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Well you've got Deionte Thompson, which is basically the same thing.

[–]RavensMakesTheNutshellJoke 8 points9 points  (0 children)

All diontae's are not created equal!

[–]Vikingsrenegadecoaster 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You can say that again

[–]EaglesTraw33 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Crys in Eagle

[–]VikingsTheDundieGoesTo99 66 points67 points  (58 children)

Every GM has a bad pick.

[–]RavensBallsohardstate 92 points93 points  (55 children)

Keim has so many of them. He’s the worst drafting GM in football.

[–]CardinalsShepherdless 27 points28 points  (8 children)

I would not go with the worst...but he is bad.

On the other hand, he does well in FA.

[–]RavensBallsohardstate 24 points25 points  (2 children)

By AV (a value measuring metric) he is.

[–]CardinalsShepherdless 72 points73 points  (0 children)

I reject your reality and substitute my own in.

[–]BroncosMasonL52 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I dont think hes exceptional in FA either, but he can fleece a trade anytime seemingly.

[–]Blueskyways 4 points5 points  (3 children)

[–]Eagles-----------________- 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This looks like they're all roughly the same with the exception of the teams that really hit big or missed badly with one pick, primarily at QB. The difference between the Browns and the Jets looks to be just Myles Garrett. Other than that I don't see a difference, yet one is towards the top and the other towards the bottom.

[–]RaidersMoeSliden 45 points46 points  (21 children)

He's also a raging alcoholic. I thought he'd be gone for the Rosen fiasco but somehow he managed to spin blowing a 1st rounder into something positive he did.

[–]BroncosDicky-Woodhouse 14 points15 points  (12 children)

He’s gotten a DUI but do we have evidence he’s got a serious problem now? I’m actually just curious, he seems to have cleaned it up a bit.

[–]RaidersMoeSliden 25 points26 points  (11 children)

2 DUIs including one aggravated one.

[–]BroncosDicky-Woodhouse 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Well, I missed that. Aggravated? Holy shit

[–]Opening-Citron2733 1 point2 points  (0 children)

30 years apart tho.

Like obviously no DUI is good but there's a difference between DUIs a few years apart and 30 years apart

[–]Panthersluvdadrafts 25 points26 points  (7 children)

Yeah, like drafting QB in the top 10 in consecutive years was good job of avoiding sunk cost fallacy, but at the same time, I’d you’re already ready to move on and spent #1 overall on a QB a year after taking a QB in a top 10, you should be fired for whiffing a pick that badly

[–]Seahawkskaratemanchan37 10 points11 points  (5 children)

I'm more annoyed by the fact that he how handled the Rosen trade. Rosen's value was highest when teams didn't know what ARI wanted to do with the 1st overall pick. Keim should've negotiated a trade with Rosen as soon as he knew that they were going with Kyler. He could've definitely gotten more than a 2nd and 5th then.

[–]Giantsxenongamer4351 29 points30 points  (4 children)

I mean the second you call any team in the league asking if they want Rosen the jig is up lol And the second you call a second team to see if they’ll offer more the cats officially out of the bag.

So you can’t really get mad at him for that.

[–]Seahawkskaratemanchan37 4 points5 points  (3 children)

That's not what I meant. There was a better market for Rosen before teams committed to the draft. Everyone and their mother knew that ARI was going to draft Kyler, so Keim's leverage was to have teams bid against each other to grab Rosen. NYG, WAS, DEN all needed QBs at the time, and probably would've been interested in getting Rosen pre-draft. But because Keim waited, two of the teams drafted a QB in the first round and took themselves out of the market, so he had to settle for MIA.

[–]Giantsxenongamer4351 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I mean, you just said two completely different things dude lol

[–]Seahawkskaratemanchan37 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You're right, I'm an idiot.

[–]atlaaas 13 points14 points  (9 children)

And had a weird linebacker kink. Loves drafting them round 1 and then loves drafting useless Wide receivers

[–]RavensBallsohardstate 17 points18 points  (8 children)

I loved the Isaiah Simmons pick but the Zaven Collins pick I didn’t really get. I liked Collins a lot too and thought his play speed was great in college also his run defense was excellent given his size and his coverage instincts were fantastic but I didn’t understand why the hell the Cards drafted him it wasn’t a need.

[–]RaidersMoeSliden 19 points20 points  (2 children)

They benched Hicks prior to the season for Collins and Simmons and Hicks publically whined but was convinced to stay. Then he ended up playing more than them and better than them.

This sub really wants Simmons to be good but the dude is basically Dion Jordan.

[–]PackersScalpEmNoles4 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Dion Jordan blew himself up with a shop vac trying to siphon gasoline no more than 5 miles from where Steve keim had his dui arrest. food for thought

[–]Cardinalsnnnoooeee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

DK wasn't the 1st receiver taken that draft. Plenty of other teams missed on him too. At the time, it was an understandable move (obviously a miss now that we have hindsight available).

[–]RipCity413 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Embarrassing story for me.

I'm a huge UMass fan and go to at least a few road games a year. (wait, wait, wait, that's not the embarrassing part!)

During Andy's senior year I went to an away game and Andy's parents were at a tailgate, a mutual friend introduced us and I talked the them about how excited I was for him to be drafted and I don't know why but I was like "I bet he could be drafted in the fifth or even fourth round!". His parents were pleasant and nice, but clearly didn't like that projection and the conversation ended shortly after that haha.

[–]LionsDanCampbellsNipples 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Trust me. It could be much worse

[–]JaguarsCharkAtk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Remember when hindsight is 20/20? Good times.

If I remember correctly a lot of teams passed on Tom Brady. Why didn't every scout in the country get immediately fired for that blunder?

[–]Raiderschemicalxv 108 points109 points  (22 children)

Is there a single white receiver that's been in the league the last decade that hasn't been linked to the Patriots at some point in their career regardless of how good they are?

[–]camergen 87 points88 points  (12 children)

Throughout his time at Clemson, I thought it was a lead pipe LOCK that Hunter Renfrow would get drafted by the Patriots. Like, anytime he caught a big Td “future Patriots receiver Hunter Renfrow .” The fact he didn’t go there must be a glitch in the Matrix. Maybe there’s still time.

[–]Raiderschemicalxv 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Oh there's definitely still time, I maybe should have qualified that a bit differently lol.

[–]PatriotsJ-Team07 33 points34 points  (7 children)

It’s a bit weird and solely based on the team having success with 2 receivers that happen to be white. I guarantee Belichick is not evaluating and selecting players because of their skin color. He picked Edelman because of his 3 cone drill performance and figured he could find a place for him. Welker performed as a dolphin. The irony is if bill was secretly looking for white receivers, he’s not that good at since he passed on renfrow and Kupp.

[–]PatriotsJinterIsComing 27 points28 points  (1 child)

And Adam Thielen. Dude had a Top-20 three cone time before the 2013 draft and went undrafted. Could have taken him instead of Josh Boyce/Aaron Dobson.

[–]PatriotsJimmyHasASmallDick 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Nah, that would interrupt our stellar record of identifying WR draft busts.

[–]EaglesCobyRich727 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Amendola, Hogan, Olszewski … Bill does seem to have a type

[–]Purple-Apricot7192 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think perhaps white receivers get undervalued.

The rams have also punted on a few white skill players over the last few drafts in lower rounds.

[–]RavensMakesTheNutshellJoke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And it's not like either weren't well regarded. I don't really scout college, but a bunch of my ravens friends wanted him in the middle rounds.

EDIT: Kupp, that is.

[–]Patriotsjpaxlux 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact he didn’t go there must be a glitch in the Matrix. Maybe there’s still time.

Well the COVID pandemic started less than a year later

[–]Throwaway1747284 14 points15 points  (1 child)

This guy also played college ball in mass so I would assume that’s partly his interest

[–]PatriotsJinterIsComing 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That, and his role in the offense has mostly been erased by Rondale Moore. In New England, he'd have a very well defined role (deep threat/gadget guy) and work in an offense he's more used to from college than Arizona.

[–]nukeXmoose 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Adam Thielen? Lol

[–]Raiderschemicalxv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't speak to how substantial they were but there were definitely rumours of Thielen being traded to the Patriots a couple seasons ago.

[–]CardinalsNicko_89 143 points144 points  (19 children)

There is a sub section of Cardinals fans that hate this kid so much that I think they will get actual physical pleasure from this news.

[–]CardinalsBtownBrelooms 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Personally I don't hate him at all, in fact I hope he succeeds somewhere else. I just know he will never be what we envisioned him to be for us and he needs a new start. Only reason this news is exciting for me is that I thought we were definitely going to either cut him or let his contract expire so any compensation is good.

[–]PackersGway22 9 points10 points  (13 children)

How come? I snagged him in my dynasty draft a couple years ago and thought he'd be a nice PPR guy in that system but he just doesn't seem to find the field. Is he a headcase?

[–]CardinalsNicko_89 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Nah he was just over drafted and hasn't worked out, he has the speed but not really any of the other skill sets to make it as an NFL receiver. You know what sports fans are like though because he hasn't worked out his draft position is his fault and that's justification enough to hate him or something.

[–]Eaglesmodern_beisbol 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Absolutely wild the seething hatred that fans have for high draft picks that don't work out.

There are people on the Eagles sub who display the kind of emotions towards Jalen Reagor that most people reserve for someone who has murdered their family.

[–]Cardinalswyndh4m 18 points19 points  (3 children)

He has like 1 flashy play a year mainly due to speed and not hands.

He’s a body catcher instead of hand catcher and that really limits his play abilities unless he’s wide open. Hasn’t really developed in the Tyreek Hill way that I think Keim envisioned. Also hasn’t been great on special teams so wasn’t even really making it as WR4 or anything for us either.

[–]CardinalsTestFixation 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Shit, I wasn't even expecting Tyreek Hill out of this guy. A Scottie Miller level guy and I would've been happy enough. Isabella couldn't even manage that

[–]Cardinalsdefaultusername4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Breaston or John brown were what I had imagined he could hopefully turn into when we drafted him. Wish him the best wherever he lands though.

[–]CardinalsWhoShotMrBoddy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Because he’s fast and that’s it. Bad at running route trees, apparently he’s bad at returning too. We use him as a punt gunner and that’s it. I don’t think he saw an offensive snap all season.

Also he’s another one of Keim’s “oh he’s a small school player I bet we can mold into an NFL caliber player” types who isn’t cut out for it. We draft a couple of those guys every single year and it’s beyond frustrating when the proven D1 talent is sitting right there

[–]CardinalsProjectTitan74 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't hate him, but I have no desire to have a receiver that can only catch the ball with his body on the team I follow

[–]NFLRecoverStreet8383 200 points201 points  (9 children)

Free agent WR: Exists

Beat writers for the last 15 years: Is it for the Patriots?

[–]Patriotsprofessor_parrot 82 points83 points  (2 children)

Yeah I'm not sure why this dude is being discussed when we're obviously about to get OBJ and Calvin Ridley.

[–]PatriotsCole2444 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Belichick is actually putting the finishing touches on his time machine and is about to get us prime Jerry Rice

[–]PatriotsJinterIsComing 22 points23 points  (0 children)

You're obviously wrong. If Bill has a Time Machine, he's going back in time to grab prime Lawrence Taylor and Mark Bavarro.

[–]Patriotsronocyorlik 7 points8 points  (0 children)

he’s not a FA? and he’s asking for a trade to the pats…. this is a pretty exact situation

[–]PatriotsPATRlOTS[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This news is about Isabella's agents angling for the Patriots, not vice versa.

[–]CardinalsWarsawawa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This one ha some depth since Andy played at UMass and essentially wants to go home. Swapping him for N Keal probably makes the most sense since he went to ASU

[–]Raiderssomeonepoorsays 7 points8 points  (0 children)

cardinals fans so happy rn

[–]JetsGladiatornoah 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I mean if you’re the cardinals and he wants out, why not take a 4th 5th or 6th for him since he never really sees the field anyways.

Can’t imagine him going for a 2nd or 3rd at this point.

[–]CardinalsTestFixation 53 points54 points  (1 child)

Ain't no-one giving us a 4th or 5th his bum ass

[–]Cardinalsjesstault 34 points35 points  (0 children)

calls houston

[–]Ravenseatmyopinions 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He is averaging 11 receptions per season and has a $1.2 mil/year contract. There's nothing worth trading for here. You can get better performance off the street for the league minimum.

[–]Spicypepper23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

... bruh he's not commanding a 4th or 5th. Lucky for a 6th.

[–]PatriotsDeM0nFiRe 33 points34 points  (46 children)

What the fuck would we do with him? We don't need any more WR4s

[–]Patriotsprofessor_parrot 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Seriously we need a true #1 and then I like Bourne as a #2. Hopefully John Metchie or someone in this draft, but I'm not getting my hopes too high.

[–]Patriotsone_pump_dave 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You want metchie as a number 1? I swear if he didn't play one season as mac's 3rd or 4th best target Pats fans wouldn't even mention him above sky moore or george Pickens, and yet they want him to be the wr1.. just weird association blinders with this dude trying to recreate burrow getting chase. Difference is metchie isn't mac's chase.

[–]Patriotsprofessor_parrot 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm admittedly a casual college fan and I don't usually start researching much about upcoming rookies until March or April, so I'm willing to listen to opinions. I will say I like what I have seen so far from Metchie, despite the injury.

[–]Patriotsone_pump_dave 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean.. I'm not saying he's not good or anything, but hes definitely not likely to come in and win wr1 role off the bat. This year is just full of potential breakout stars and we're almost surely going to get one to fall to us at 21 so I really hope we grab one there.

I'm not an expert so take what I say with a grain of salt. But, the top tier with a small gap above the rest in my opinion is Garrett Wilson, Drake London, Treylon Burks, and Jameson Williams. Respectively those guys could potentially be Marvin Harrison, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins (but much faster). Either one of those guys falls to us and it's a sprint the card in situation.

The second tier is Jahan Dotson and Chris Olave. Olave some make the arguement for that he belongs in the first tier. I could see both these guys being great, not really worth the 1st pick over corner or linebacker in my opinion and almost surely gone before the 2nd. So I don't see us grabbing one unless we trade back. Outside if us valuing one of them higher then I personally do which wouldn't surprise me.

The next tier still has a really good amount of solid recievers I'll just split up into short fast dudes and tall guys. Metchie is probably the top short fast guy, especially for us coming from an ernhardt perkins system. Then there's sky moore and Calvin Austin who are smaller but faster then metchie, and Wendell Robinson who is tad smaller and a tad slower then metchie. The top top tall guy from tier 3 is definitely george pickens in my opinion. Similar to Jameson Williams in the regard that he is falling due to a late knee injury he's a great reciever. The rest are David Bell, Justin Ross, and Jalen Tolbert. Not really sure of the order of anyone in tier 3 honestly. It will be a lot clearer after the combine. Metchie isn't bad and I wouldn't be upset to take him, I just can't say I like him so much more then wandale Robinson that hes worth taking a round earlier if that's how it shakes out.

[–]PackersInvasionXX 13 points14 points  (8 children)

WR on trade block

Patriots Fans - is for me?

[–]Giantsscrappytheboss 7 points8 points  (4 children)

He is a UMass product so it makes sense

[–]PatriotsWolfofOldNorth 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I was a UMass product and look at me now!

[–]Patriotstj3616 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What am I looking at??

[–]Patriotsronocyorlik 6 points7 points  (1 child)

he’s asking to be traded to the pats. reading is hard

[–]Patriots29feb2024 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why would people from Wisconsin have any need to read?

[–]Cowboysmanbuckets2001 11 points12 points  (0 children)

First guy in, last guy out kind of guy

[–]ChargersSerious_Condition_81 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We got some extra day 3 picks to spare, I’d take a flyer

[–]BillsYepImanEmokid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't mind seeing him in our WR room. Could always use more speed and Hall is excellent at developing guys.

[–]scaredshtlessintx 2 points3 points  (2 children)

With an aging, ailing DHOP, Kirk a FA and Isabella wanting out, safe to say Cards plan on drafting some wrs?

[–]PatriotsXerosnake90 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Andy Isabella for Nkeal Harry. No one loses there

[–]CowboysJalensTinyPPHurts 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Why would some trade for an injury prone body catcher? The dude is fast but he offers nothing beneficial to a team lol

[–]Chiefsbradasskg11 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Because a conditional 7th is basically worthless either way.. but at least we know for a fact Isabella has top tier nfl caliber speed. Which is something you can’t say.. for a conditional 7th round draft pick.

[–]PanthersJuke0044 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean objectively he’s one of the fastest players in the nfl.

Unfortunately you need more little baby trex arms and the ability to actually track and catch the football to be decent in the nfl

[–]PatriotsWide_right_yes 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Only good thing to come out of UMass football

[–]LionsTheRKC 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The Lions should put in an offer. They still need a #1 via FA or draft, but they need a burner to open things up with a couple shots a game. Sounds like he'll be cheap, so why not?

[–]Vikingsii_zAtoMic 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Amon-Ra can’t be a #1?

[–]WordzRHard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’s more of a slot guy. That’s when he took off last year. Throw in some jet sweeps and touches outta the backfield and that’s still a great player. Just doesn’t fit in the “#1” box

[–]Smarkavillie 1 point2 points  (6 children)

He’s more than likely headed to Vegas. Don’t downvote the messenger, please 😂

[–]BearsDoubleFlip 1 point2 points  (3 children)

He any good? Seems like Cards WRs are overcrowded. Could be a nice slot guy.

[–]CardinalsUserInAtl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's really fast, but awful at everything else you would want in a WR. Also not a good returner unless you like watching him run backwards for 10 yards every time

[–]Qlix0804 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Speed is about it. He has a really bad habit of always catching the ball with is body and not his hands. Drops everything.

[–]49ersKillermooseD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wasn’t he the pick the Cardinals got from Miami for Rosen?

[–]BengalsBigRig432 1 point2 points  (0 children)

White receiver has interest in the Patriots, nice little change in the formula there

[–]EaglesYoItsMeBeeOhBee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Teams are going to be knocking down the doors to give up a 14th round pick for him.

[–]RamsThrowingMonkeePoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you kidding me here?? Isabella is fast as hell but the Cardinals underrated him and just didn't throw him the ball. I hope the Rams are on top of this story as they could make a trade to the Cardinals; giving the Cards the great WR Robert Woods for a great Offensive or Defensive line player & Andy Isabella!! Imagine the Rams with Cooper Kupp & OBJ, backed up by Van Jefferson & Andy Isabella, Brandon Powell as a WR3s?. Both Cam Akers & Darrell Henderson can catch very well coming out of the backfield (hopefully 1 or both will be able to run out of the backfield 😂) or we will need Sony Michel again who was a great addition to the team at the right time. I believe in Isabella, especially with a good coach.