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[–]McJanglesworth 669 points670 points  (64 children)

Of all time?

[–]Busy-Manufacturer-66 993 points994 points  (25 children)

gamers when IGN score above 8

[–]Menelaus-[S] 15 points16 points  (24 children)

There are nearly 20 game reviewers who gave AWII 10/10, including GameSpot. Digital Foundry described it as one of the most technically astounding and visually beautiful games they have ever played on PC. I shared the rest of DF's review in a separate comment below.

[–]Agile_Hornet4168 51 points52 points  (10 children)

Are these the same companies that would pump out hype propaganda for fallout 76, anthem, that one asymmetric monster game? Cuz if they are their reviews mean as much a used car salesman’s

[–]TheDizeazed 53 points54 points  (9 children)

Gamespot, which is the only review outlet mentioned in the comment you're replying to, gave fallout 76 a 4/10 and anthem a 6/10. I love when gamers make shit up to be angry about.

[–]evrfighter 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Eh. That's not saying anything. I stopped taking gaming journalism seriously about 15 years ago precisely because every game was getting high scores

I own the first game on PC actually. Never even installed it. Still have no desire to install it. So I'll likely pick up AW2 when it goes on sale a few years from now

[–]thatcockneythug 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Sounds like you're just not into that type of game. If you don't listen to the journalists, and you haven't played it (or won't for a while) yourself, then you can't really have an opinion on it, right?

[–]FromBrainMatter 19 points20 points  (0 children)

NO! Only things I like should be liked by others!

[–]Menelaus-[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Personally, I find Digital Foundry's tech analysis very useful. They are highly reliable and transparent (benchmarks, specs, in-game footage, etc.)

[–]FknBretto 234 points235 points  (23 children)

Yeah complete fallacy there, unless by “one of” you mean in the top 15000

[–]azurestrike 85 points86 points  (7 children)

E.T. is one of the best games of all time.

[–]jakers540 14 points15 points  (5 children)

I disagree Have you ever played Ren and Stimpy on the Sega Genesis?

[–]SexualRex🙏 pls don't suck Battlemage 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I disagree, it's a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.

[–]HahaYesGuys 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Donkey Kong sucks!

[–]GensouEU 14 points15 points  (12 children)

On opencritic it's currently in the top 50s

[–]FknBretto 33 points34 points  (9 children)

The range on that website only goes to 2013, with almost every single game being from the last 5 years, not really a reliable source of “best games of all time”.

[–]MozM- 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Don't trust it. Elden Ring was top 2 when it released. Now it's in the 30s i think.

Ratings will change overtime.

[–]RicketyBrickety 47 points48 points  (6 children)

It is definitely one of the PC games of all time, lol.

OP is going on a bit of a ride with this meme.

That being said, the game looks chill. People who are super into graphics tech will enjoy it for that, and who knows - maybe there's a decent game somewhere in there too. The original Alan Wake wasn't exactly known for great gameplay, but it was a good enough vehicle for a decent story - this looks like more of the same but with more experience behind it.

[–]Sacr3dangelPC Master Race 20 points21 points  (3 children)

The whole game play supported the story. That’s why the original was so great for fans. Not everybody loved it because it’s not for everybody. And that’s okay.

I hate that these days everything always needs to be perfect for everybody. It’s just not gonna be that way, and the sooner everybody realizes that, the sooner most of us can enjoy what we actually like.

[–]ems187 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I thought the gameplay was fine actually. The combat sadly became repetitive but it still felt good with great feedback and directness.

[–]Thin-Zookeepergame46 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of all time is imo 95 and above.

[–]TomgarRTX 4070 ti, R9 7900x, 32Gb DDR5 5600MHz 1309 points1310 points  (90 children)

I'm sure Alan Wake is going to be great but critics give out high scores to games with technical and performance issues all the damn time.

Jedi: Survivor has a metacritic score of 85 but was so technically borked that people with 4090s couldn't get 60fps at 1080p.

I don't like ragging on critics like a lot of people do, but they really seem to have a blind spot for performance stuff.

[–]Spacemon_Spiff 140 points141 points  (20 children)

Bro, I was getting a near solid 60 with a fuckin 3070.

[–]bananasmana 100 points101 points  (10 children)

Are you saying that's good or bad

[–]Mercurionio5600X/3060ti 68 points69 points  (8 children)

Game is CPU heavy, especially in rumbler's reach. Which means, even my 3060ti runs great everywhere else.

[–]albanshqiptar5800x3D/rtx 3070/32gb ram 3200 52 points53 points  (6 children)

It's not CPU heavy. Digital foundry shows that it's borked on the cpu side since even top end CPUs have stutter and weird animation skipping.

[–]THIKKI_HOEVALAINEN 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's badly optimized for multithreading, and is single core heavy like a lot of games that have horrible stuttering. And yeah the stutters with animation skipping is unforgivable

[–]Justhe3guy3080 FTW 3, R9 5900X, 32gb 3733Mhz CL14 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Their low is most games high, you could turn settings down to medium to see how you go

Though I’d say 60 fps is fine for a horror game

[–]Devatator_R5 5600G | RTX 3050 | 2x8GB 3200Mhz DDR4 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Their low is most recent AAA games high, you could turn settings down to medium to see how you go

FTFW. There are a shit ton of games, including a lot of big ones that run fine even on 10 year old hardware

[–]Kirsutan 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Elden Ring got 10/10, and PC performance was all over the place on launch

[–]SoggyBagelBitei7 13700K | RTX 3090 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It still is...

[–]JerbearCuddlesRTX 4090 Suprim X | Ryzen 7 7800X3D 58 points59 points  (16 children)

I was getting 60 fps at 4K ultrawide. Who the fuck was running Jedi Survivor at 1080p with a 4090?

[–]evilguy352PC Master Race 5900X 6700XT 32GB 205 points206 points  (10 children)

"works fine on my machine"

[–]lomelyo9700k 4070ti 32gb 14 points15 points  (9 children)

People lie all the time about the game performance.

Or attribute to the game, what should be attributed to something else.

"Works fine on my machine" it's a valid response to a critic of a game not being optimized. Because clearly the game can run at 4k 60fps on a 4090. The claim it can't do it at 1080p was absurd. If you say the game is buggy it's a different issue.

So your response lacks relevance and the logic behind it doesn't apply here.

[–]TomgarRTX 4070 ti, R9 7900x, 32Gb DDR5 5600MHz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Skillup in his review. Game obviously runs better now but at launch it was an absolute garbage fire on some setups.

[–]TaskDifficult7190 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Running 1440p on an 34in ultrawide with a 3070ti... Jedi Survivor looked and ran great.

[–]ChantalTheBaka 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Jedi Survivor looked and ran great.

That game has the same shader compilation & traversal stutter like the previous title, Fallen Order. "Ran great" my ass.

[–]Menelaus-[S] 1044 points1045 points  (141 children)

Digital Foundry Editor John Linneman:

"Alan Wake 2 is one of the most technically astounding and visually beautiful games I've ever played. I fired it up on my PC and had no stutters, no traversal hitching, super fast loading - it felt perfect. Not a single hiccup to ruin the experience from the very first moment I pressed play. It's rare to have such a positive PC experience day one."

[–]LeonardDeVir 226 points227 points  (16 children)

Well yes, lets see how it does in the wild. I hope it runs well but it's not a given nowadays.

[–]T9069 41 points42 points  (15 children)

Yup. Journalist is very likely running on a 4090 (which he was fortunately able to deduct from his taxes as a business expense). Most of our experiences may differ.

In this era where NVIDIA's price/performance lineup pits the haves between the have nots, providing the best value only to folks able and willing to pay $1,6000 for one GPU, maybe gaming journalists should review on typical GPUs rather than $1,600 GPUs?

We seem to be in a "let them eat cake" era with journalists gaming from ivory towers.

[–]handymanshandleR9 5950X, 7900XT, 64GB DDR4, Huawei MateView 3840x2560 44 points45 points  (1 child)

He runs an i9-12900K and an RTX 4090 if memory serves, so while it’s true that he has a really high end PC, it’s also worth noting that there’s been a lot of terrible ports (lately) that stutter hard and run terribly even on such a high end rig.

[–]ArchSecutor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He runs an i9-12900K and an RTX 4090 if memory serves, so while it’s true that he has a really high end PC

I think calling that a really high end PC at the moment is a little disingenuous, that is the fastest GPU out right now and a CPU in the top 5 or so. while that's high end, its really just the about the fastest config you could buy.

[–]Phenixxy 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Digital Foundry are not "gaming journalists", they are a channel (and the best at that) dedicated to graphics, they always detail the specs of the PC they test it on, and on multiple reviews so try different ranges of CPU/GPU. They're not in your ivory tower fantasy.

[–]12amoore 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That doesn’t mitigate stuttering and traversal hitching… do people know how games work?

[–]Notsosobercpa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

which he was fortunately able to deduct from his taxes as a business expense

Depends on rules of country he's in and if he's a freelancer or considered employee.

[–]vinnymendoza09i5 6600k | 16GB DDR4 | XFire 8GB RX 480 | 750GB SSD 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Jesus christ, please shut up. They test on a variety of rigs and their whole job is identifying stutter issues. You're talking completely out of your ass.

[–]Fire_Lord_Cinder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know being deductible from taxes doesn’t make it free right? You just get to reduce your taxable income, so it is a 21-30ish % discount.

[–]FrostyPost8473 260 points261 points  (97 children)

Never take reviews serious it's a known fact that talking bad about a big game can get you blacklisted. Even for something as trivial as optimization

[–]Jon-Slow 439 points440 points  (21 children)

John Linneman has been doing analysis of game tech since before you were alive. He's not a game reviewer, he reviews the tech, and the reviews always come with proof and footage out of DF.

[–]cagefgt7600X / 6950 XT / 32 GB / AW3423DWF / LG C1 175 points176 points  (12 children)

He said similar things about starfield, even said the game had "perfect HDR" on his machine. The game was released and there was no HDR support and it ran like trash.

[–]GAVINDerulo12HD 53 points54 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly he said if you force hdr using Auto hdr on Windows 11 you get a better image than the native hdr implementation on xbox.

[–]timtheringitydingGTX 770 | I7-10700K | 32GB 3200MHZ DDR4 19 points20 points  (0 children)

There is HDR. ITs using windows own auto hdr feature. The luts are what break the black levels. Also xbox hdr works. For instances the same issue is prosent in cyberpunk. Turning offnhdr in game and letting auto hdr take control provider a much better hdr experience

[–]blackest-Knight 155 points156 points  (31 children)

You can literally see Daniel Owen play the game on multiple gpus, change graphics settings and see the effects on FPS live :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHxkrABRNs

But yeah, he must have been paid off somehow and edited it to prove all of PCMR wrong on the whole Alan Wake 2 fake outrage.

BTW : the game looks stunning on Low, even on an unsupported GPU like the 1070.

[–]Infamous_Campaign687 50 points51 points  (4 children)

Daniel Owen tried it on a 1070 and while it may look stunning, it does not run well. He didn't see any crashing, but 20-23 FPS with occasional drops into the teens is not a playable frame rate to me. So I think there's a reason it is unsupported.

The Current Generation baseline is going to be the PS5 and the XBox Series S/X and we are going to see more and more games setting the PC-equivalents of these consoles as the minimum requirements. If it doesn't run on GTX 10-series cards that does not make them "poorly optimised", it just means they chose assets and technology that is beyond those cards.

Now, some people may be upset about this, but the GTX 10-series has had their time. They lasted a very long time, but they *are* obsolete for AAA titles now, optimisation or not. Maybe the GTX 1080/1080 ti will last a bit for some new AAA games (obviously not all), but the others cards in that series are done (for new AAA games).

[–]blackest-Knight 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Daniel Owen tried it on a 1070 and while it may look stunning, it does not run well. He didn't see any crashing, but 20-23 FPS with occasional drops into the teens is not a playable frame rate to me. So I think there's a reason it is unsupported.

Yes, it lacks Mesh Shaders. Alan Wake 2 uses them and the 10 series and 5000 series AMD series GPUs doesn't have them.

[–]PatternActual7535 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the GTX 1070 is 7 years old now

To my knowledge Nvidia intended to drop support

It's not a suprise it struggles in a game thats supposedly demanding for good reason

[–]THIKKI_HOEVALAINEN 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think people need to realize that most devs target consoles, and the baseline “low” graphics expectations took a huge jump from ps4/xbo to ps5/xsx. The consoles now have an equivalent of a 2070 + easier to optimize for one set of hardware. So if the ps5 is running “low ish” settings and is getting 1240p 30fps, maybe people shouldn’t expect double that kind of performance on their older cards. I’d say people should get mad at GPU prices instead of devs trying to push graphics forward

[–]Shieree 84 points85 points  (16 children)

Funny, because they talked bad about starfield and it's apart of one of the most powerful companies in gaming

[–]smarlitos_‘12miniLEDcineD|12100f1660s1440p144hz 56 points57 points  (5 children)

A part* apart means something else

[–]doodiethealpaca 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Who did that ?

At the launch of Starfield, IGN got publicly shamed for rating SF 7/10 while all the gaming "media" rated it 9 or 10/10.

They waited for the public to actually see how trashy it is before making some more honest reviews.

Only independant YT guys made some honest reviews of SF, not a single professional gaming worker made a honest review of SF.

[–]Combocore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, the YT guys were all lying. Probably paid by Sony.

[–]sirchbuck 45 points46 points  (5 children)

digital foundry isn't merely a 'review' puublication, there is a reason why they are the most respected individuals when it comes to games technical analysis.

They do full-on, rigorous technical analysis of games and hardware, they publish their findings and footage at 4k HFR lossless quality which you can see without the worry of lossy compression and have a huge breadth of knowledge and experience , they've been doing this for around 20 years at this point.

And besides... really? bruh, THIS IS REMEDY , since control they have been the people who have been constantly on the bleeding edge when it comes to real-time graphics rendering in games.

ffs they're the ones responsible for creating the team who created THE realtime-3D graphics rendering benchmarking tool futuremark's '3DMark'.Yeah THAT 3dmark. If you didn't know Remedy entertainment started out as a demogroup 'futurecrew' one of the most famous in history and they've created what some people consider the greatest demo OF ALL TIME 'Second Reality'.

Remedy still has that DNA in them as they constantly release games that push beyond what any other game has at that point and to say remedy would do something as heinous as coercing people as respected as digital foundry is just disrespectful to them.

[–]Jarnisi9-9900K 5.1 / RTX 3090 OC / Maximus XI Formula / Predator X35 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Granted, Remedy and 3DMark people (UL Benchmarks) have nothing to do with each other these days other than the fact that their offices are few kilometers apart in Espoo, Finland. And I guess both have 3D engine developers that cook up really advanced stuff.

[–]RaduW07 34 points35 points  (2 children)

...you have no idea who John Lienneman or Digital Foundry is, do you?

[–]Freestyle80 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i should take random reddit hate mob seriously like you instead

[–]Megablep 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's digital foundry, though. Not a regular review. If you can't trust them to be thorough with a game's performance issues, then you can't trust anyone.

[–]Blacksad9999ASUS Strix LC 4090, 7800x3D, ASUS Crosshair 670E, ASUS PG42UQ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe if you're some no name Youtuber that has 5000 followers and you got a review code.

These people don't need preview builds or early access. They have millions of viewers.

[–]JackieMortes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You overdosed scepticism

[–]Pr0nzehi7 8700 | MSI 1070 GX | 16GB 2133 Mhz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Digital Foundry is trustworthy. They would tell you if it sucked.

[–]M4jkelson 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I mean yeah, if you got 4090 64GB RAM and highest end CPU, I would suspect that not many games will shit themselves. Except maybe when you're playing a Bethesda game

[–]GhostDNAs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea with a 4090

[–]Cymelion 335 points336 points  (74 children)

Being the worlds best Ice Cream shop doesn't mean much if you built it in the middle of the pacific ocean.

[–]Real-TerminalR5 5600x, 16GB DDR4 3200mhz, Galax RTX 2070 Super 8gb 102 points103 points  (13 children)

Considering this is the year of garbage PC ports you can't blame people for rightfully calling out seemingly inflated requirements again.

[–]Stargov1 148 points149 points  (15 children)

Reveiwers rarely seem to take performance into account for their reviews, unless it's nigh unplayable. It more comes down to people on youtube to mention it. Even then, they can somewhat manipulate the narrative.

[–]Ancillas 24 points25 points  (1 child)

There are literally hundreds of reviews for every game that take performance into account.

Any person at any time can pull out their phone and see actual real life gameplay of almost any game, and for many you can even find someone with a near copy of your system to evaluate expected performance.

At no point in the entire history of PC gaming has it ever been easier or faster to research a game before buying it. Further still, is used to not be possible to return games to stores because they didn't allow it but now you can buy, play, and return a game without ever leaving your house.

Anyone claiming any different is willfully ignorant or attempting to mislead those they are speaking to.

[–]blackest-Knight 17 points18 points  (5 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHxkrABRNs

Seems to run just fine to me. Guy is pretty thorough in trying out different options on different generations and classes of GPU.

[–]nagarz 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It may be just me but I kinda hate when "just fine" tends to require use upscaling to reach 60fps in any kind of game with current gen games, because what it means is "the game does not reach 60fps at 1080p or 1440p, so you will need to render the game at a 70% of the native resolution and upscale it", and upscaling at 1080p looks like got garbage, the aliasing is pretty noticeable, specially in the forest section of the game (visible in both daniel owen's reviews on nvidia and amd).

Also one thing that doesn't make much sense to me, is the low preset, there's barely any difference between that and the medium preset, but the performance tanks a lot (roughly a 15-20% fps hit), idk what's the deal with that...

[–]HelloToshkomputah has flashin lites it gud 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's up with that bit at 4:10 where he switches from Low to High and loses only 1 frame a second?

[–]ChantalTheBaka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems to run just fine to me

Around 40-50fps on the strongest available gpu and even then some settings are still on medium. Jesus...

[–]Manaversel 10 points11 points  (1 child)

That does not look "fine" to me.

[–]Immersive_cat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At least with this one I can see where the GPU horsepower goes, and that’s good for game graphics evolution in general. On the other end of spectrum you get sudoAAA gamepass crap games like Starfield that call themselves a nextgen having mid graphics, meh content and limited tech like FSR and it still runs shitty.

[–]Liquidignitioni7 4770k • GTX1080 • 16GB • 1TB SSD 76 points77 points  (36 children)

Exclusive on EPIC GAMES STORE

I can wait a year

[–]GensouEU 43 points44 points  (10 children)

This is not a timed exclusivity deal, Epic straight up funded the game. I doubt that they'll put it on other platforms.

[–]epimetheuss 32 points33 points  (6 children)

Money always wins that argument.

[–]NapsterKnowHow 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Tell that to Valve who still hasn't released Half Life Alyx on any other platform

[–]ArchSecutor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

well that's two fold, one the developed the game internally and own the platform, and two it literally requires their platform to run as in it runs on steamvr.

[–]LowerButYetHigher 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Steam is where the money is...

[–]Single_Listen9819 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The sea’s be calling me…

[–]Asleeper135 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For the first time in a long time, I might agree. I'll give it a good long while before I resort to that though.

[–]Snipey13RTX 2080, Ryzen 5 5600 14 points15 points  (4 children)

They funded and published it in its entirety, I don't think it's ever coming out anywhere else. Which I don't have a problem with considering that's completely fair.

[–]jawsofwar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well Control did

[–]Snipey13RTX 2080, Ryzen 5 5600 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Control had nothing to do with Epic, that was 505 games i think

[–]imjusta_bill 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Exclusivity on pc is so fucking dumb

[–]Nyto242i5 10400f // 32 GB ram // RX6800 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fr

[–]LucAltaiRPC Master Race 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shitty port?

Game was build with PC as main platform

[–]RedofPaw 102 points103 points  (17 children)

The hysterical freak out was embarrassing to see unfold. Genuine irrational bandwagon panic, mixed with a bizarre elitism.

[–]e7RdkjQVzw 56 points57 points  (1 child)

He says, on the subreddit named after "ironic" PC gaming elitism.

[–]Oaker_ati7 12700KF / RTX3070 / 32Gb DDR4 3200MHz 18 points19 points  (10 children)

Let’s wait for the user scores. Critic score are always skewed.

[–]GloriousStone10850k | RTX 4070ti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"guys why are you freaking out over something that looks like another unfinished piece of trash (there were like 10 of those this year already)"

[–]HoneyShaft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It looks so good on PC cries in console

[–]HighDINSLowStandards 158 points159 points  (80 children)

Gamers complain about games not looking next gen. Games now look next gen and require next gen hardware. Gamers now complain about having to upgrade to get decent frame rate. Gamers collectively are the biggest bunch of whiners.

[–]CheesymaryjaneOptical Disc user in 2k23 59 points60 points  (11 children)

My only real problem is that gpu prices are insane. Like $600+ for a 70 tier gpu? Get out of here. I wouldn’t care that much if it was like $400-500

[–]Skandi007Ryzen 5 3600 - 32GB DDR4 - RTX 2070 Super 19 points20 points  (0 children)

$600 lol

It's well over $900 in my region

[–]scarynickname 49 points50 points  (2 children)

a 70 tier GPU that is really a 60 tier GPU with a different name

What a sad time to be a PC gamer

[–]NickoTynR5 5600X / EVGA RTX 2070 Super / 32GB 3200MHz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

See? This is why generalizing and categorizing people is wrong.

Yes, some complain that the game doesn't look good while others complain that the game runs like shit on his system. Most of the time these are not the same people and if they are the same, then most of the time they are right. There were a few games that didn't look that great and ran like shit all at the same time.

All these groups of people are gamers because they love and play games, but each group has it's own desires and motivation so you can't say that the group is filled with hypocrisy because, in reality, it is not a homogenous group to begin with.

[–]ZoesanRyzen 9 5900X, 32GB DDR4-3600, Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 9 points10 points  (6 children)

You can make games look fantastic and also run well.

Meanwhile fucking starfield does neither.

[–]MrStealYoBeefi7 12700KF|RTX 3080|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED 16 points17 points  (17 children)

People didn't have a problem with the need for next gen hardware. They had a problem with being told that they'd need to render the game at 540p on current gen hardware to get reasonable performance. We left 540p about 5 generations of consoles ago. There's nothing "next gen" about that.

Luckily that isn't the case and despite Remedy telling us that we'd need DLSS performance for 1080p60 gaming on a 3070 (without RT), we don't actually need to come close to that. They told us to set our expectations significantly lower, we were reasonably upset at them telling us to have unreasonably low expectations in terms of resolution and resolution scaling, and now that it's being revealed that "it was just a prank bro" and that we'll have rather decent performance on modern hardware, there's no issues. It's that simple.

[–]RedofPaw 32 points33 points  (16 children)

"we were reasonably upset"

No. People were irrationally freaking out and hysterically lashing out at the devs, saying this is the herald of the end of all good things and saying they would boycott the game.

It would have been 'reasonable' to wait for the game to actually release and to then judge it. Less embarrassing at least.

[–]MrStealYoBeefi7 12700KF|RTX 3080|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED -1 points0 points  (15 children)

Who? I never saw any of that? I saw people discussing the fact that 540p isn't an acceptable standard in 2023. And why am I being lumped into this group of people I never saw who irrationally attack devs?

[–]Ancillas 6 points7 points  (14 children)

My guy, it's been non-stop oPTiMiZAtIOn posts around here for days. Repeat after repeat full of angry comments calling anyone who bought "low performing" games "stupid" or "part of the problem".

[–]e7RdkjQVzw 17 points18 points  (13 children)

it's been non-stop oPTiMiZAtIOn posts around here for days

Again, this is not unwarranted. This has been the year of shitty PC ports and all the official information we got indicated that AW2 was going to be another example of that.

[–]Ancillas -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

It's low value shit posting from people that hadn't played the game. I don't care if it's warranted or not. It's annoying and lowers the quality of this sub.

[–]paganbreed 18 points19 points  (11 children)

It was based on the dev's own specs! Right now, either the specs are overly self-deprecating for no reason or reviewers are ignoring performance issues.

I know which of those I've seen a lot of before.

[–]Menelaus-[S] 1 point2 points  (20 children)

Everyone who has played Alan Wake II so far says it has some of the best visuals in gaming to date. It's probably not possible to achieve this without high system requirements. Gamers really like to complain though.

[–]RETIXXITER 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The Game looks current gen at best And games can still have good graphics with baked shadows and lighting and also be well optimised but nooo the devs just used nanite and lumen to make it easier/faster to develop.

if it only looks 10% better than current gen its still not worth the 90% performance hit.😆

[–]NapsterKnowHow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pathtracing looks WAY better than backed in lighting

[–]Patrickk_BatmannPC Master Race 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Alan Wake II uses a custom engine, not UE5 so stop talking out of your ass.

[–]lkl34 42 points43 points  (18 children)

diablo 4 in in the high 80's same with starfield and cities skylines is getting high scores now.

Scores do not always mean its a good game or optimized game especially the GAAS games. I have not played or seen anything on alan wake 2 just saying there are times were games get scores/awards that they do not deserve.

Edit: Here is a alan wake 2 performance vid with many gpus tested

https://youtu.be/kMHxkrABRNs?si=t3-8p0FqgH5t7QNH&t=1992

[–]Menelaus-[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Before its release, people assumed Alan Wake 2's high system requirements were related to optimization issues. Now there are more than 58 reviews (26 on PC and 37 on PS5) almost unanimously calling it visually astounding, and that's why it has higher system requirements than other games.

[–]r_z_n 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I mean, Diablo 4, Cities Skyline 2, and Starfield are all generally pretty good games. Not everyone values performance above all else, especially for single player RPGs and city simulators.

And Diablo 4 runs very well.

[–]ZoesanRyzen 9 5900X, 32GB DDR4-3600, Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 10 points11 points  (2 children)

D4 and Starfield are mid as fuck

[–]lkl34 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

wow single minded i am not talking about performance i am talking about games that are given high praise but crap the bed. D4 came out got high to mid reviews now it has so few played they could not get enough for a turnament and had the worst patch this year for a game.

City skylines good? it has worse graphics than 1 worse building placement worse performance worse building scale and so far no proper mod support.

Starfield? the game that is 60% fallout 4 but with worse implementations the only thing starfield somewhat right is ship building some quest's and some planet's to explore.

But again some like to get punched robbed they say thank you and make a ticktok others fight back. Sadly we can buy a truck for 100k and watch it in the garage more than in our yard because people think fix it later or improve on it later is a good thing.

[–]r_z_n 2 points3 points  (1 child)

wow single minded i am not talking about performance i am talking about games that are given high praise but crap the bed. D4 came out got high to mid reviews now it has so few played they could not get enough for a turnament and had the worst patch this year for a game.

Yes I understand that, but Starfield, Cities Skylines 2, and (prior to release) Alan Wake 2 all received complaints about performance.

D4 is a pretty good game, season 2 is very popular after season 1 was underwhelming. And believe it or not, a lot of people are enjoying both Cities Skylines 2 and Starfield... Reddit isn't a good barometer for the general reception of a game.

[–]steamart360 21 points22 points  (8 children)

The requirements are true though, the game is that demanding but it's running as best as it can with whatever hardware you have.

My 3060 is barely doing 40-50 FPS with the recommended settings which is in line with what Remedy promised, solid 30 FPS at medium settings.

[–]nagarz 32 points33 points  (7 children)

solid 30 FPS at medium settings

That would be a big oof for me if I was on a 3060. Specially if I need to upscale to get there...

[–]Kitosaki 14 points15 points  (16 children)

Why is this not on steam?

[–]GunfotDell G5 28 points29 points  (15 children)

Epic funded the game and thus it's on EGS

[–]Patrickk_BatmannPC Master Race -1 points0 points  (14 children)

Another benefit of Epic is that Epic pays out more than Valve so Remedy is going to get a bigger % of the sales on Epic than they would on Steam.

[–]_b1ack0ut 8 points9 points  (10 children)

That’s only partly true. Steam takes a larger cut of sales from their store, it’s true (on a sliding scale, it gets closer to epic’s cut the better the game sells), but they do also allow you to generate keys for your game to sell without them taking a cut at all

[–]Vokasak9900k@5ghz | 2080 Super | LG34GK950F 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Epic also has demonstrably fewer users, even fewer users than that if you ignore the people who just claim the free bribes and never spend any money, dwindling down to nearly nothing if you also ignore fortnite-only users. A bigger % of a tiny number is still smaller. That's how percentages work.

[–]UnderscoreDasherDesktop 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Operative phrase: critic score. As always, wait for community's take. and compare the difference.

[–]Foobucket2990 WX - SLI RTX 2080Ti - 128GB RAM 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Two things can be true at once. It can be a great game that is horribly optimized.

[–]fablehere 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Exactly this. High praise doesn't automatically come with great sales numbers.

[–]Captobvious757600x | AMD 7900XT | 65” LG C1 OLED 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Everyone: “we want next gen games”

Also everyone: “not like this!”

[–]Patrickk_BatmannPC Master Race 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"I want to play next gen games at 4k and 60FPS on my 7 year old mid-range GPU!" is what I'm hearing from most of these people complaining.

[–]WodanazRuckus7700x 4070 32gb DDR5 1440 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just googled the trailer… This shit is way to spooky for me. Fuck that lol.

[–]Saber153 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Neat, can’t wait to play it when I can actually afford to upgrade my computer.

[–]Freestyle80 8 points9 points  (0 children)

when will r/pcmr learn that you are like a miniscule portion of any of the people actually playing games?

[–]Stop_Drop_and_Scroll 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Man, think I'm done with the gaming community. People have lost the plot and are picking random shit to cheer or jeer based on their previously held ideas of what reality should be like. There's no room for actual discussion anymore, just hotter and hotter takes, each person more desperate than the last to get attention.

[–]KryptoKn8 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Please, guys, don't forget that thr people rating shit professionally have entirely different standards than us and are pretty much always running the highest hardware available

[–]DubbyTM 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Omg who cares about critics and meta score how many more diablo 4 at 90 do you need to understand it's all bullshit, come on now I'm so tired of this shit

[–]dagens24 11 points12 points  (2 children)

It sucks that it's Epic exclusive and therefore does not exist for me :/

[–]jasonbecker83 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Arrr Arrr let's sail for the seven seas! Arrrrr

[–]Vokasak9900k@5ghz | 2080 Super | LG34GK950F 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Meh. I haven't had to sail those seas (for games) since like 2006. I don't know if Alan Wake 2 is worth the effort, given that the other games in the series are sitting in my backlog untouched.

[–]CurunCouch Gaming Big Picture Mode FTW 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But where is the buy button on Steam?

[–]Sir_Fail-A-Lot 5 points6 points  (1 child)

wait... you guys care about metascore? Haven't really cared about it for the past 10 years maybe.

as an extension don't really care what game "Journalists" have to say about games. user reviews is where it's at

[–]Daniel_Day_Hubris 4 points5 points  (1 child)

metacritic is the userbenchmark of the review world.

[–]argote7800X3D, RX 7900XTX, 32GB, AG493UCX2 8 points9 points  (9 children)

I'd rather they keep making games that push the envelope than get watered down games that can run on legacy hardware.

[–]irennicus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I used to agree with this take but at this point it seems to me that until both hardware prices and development times for next gen games get more reasonable I don't think that this should be the case anymore.

Good hardware is bank breaking, and the development cycle for these games now is something like five years. On top of that, the next gen graphics are getting less and less impressive by the minute. This isn't like the jump from PSOne to PS2, it's barely rendering more hair follicles for $600.

[–]minkus10004790k@4.8 | GTX 1080 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I might agree if hardware pricing wasn't so fucked. I bought 970s for ~$400 CAD, and a 1080 for $650. My current 4070ti cost me just shy of $1300.

Besides, graphics can be turned down. The game doesn't have to be "watered down" to have visual settings capable of being run on lower end or lower hardware. I don't mind at all if a game is capable of reaching extreme visual fidelity at the cost of 15fps on a 4090, but there needs to be options for people who have lower end hardware, or even just for those who prefer responsiveness over details in games.

[–]Phisav 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’d rather get great games :)

[–]ZimbotheWonderful 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Waiting for the SkillUp review and am going to watch the ACG one soon, I don’t trust other outlets to give me the full picture.

[–]dynamitfiske 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the rated games of all times.

[–]Sylux444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah yes

The places where you can buy ratings

[–]nkfish11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The gaming community is dumb? No way!!!

[–]AcadianViking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Critic scores don't mean shit. Bought and paid for by the publishing companies.

Player reviews are the only reviews that mean shit and even then require a generous heaping of salt.

[–]netotrvss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

RX7600 test if someone is interested
https://youtu.be/64q7AeiGMkU

[–]Skippie_Granola 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm still not convinced that Epic Games didn't pay to raise hype so people wouldn't wait till it's out on Steam first.

[–]frozenkingnk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Game is good but specs are so harsh :( I'm getting around 30 with 3080ti normal preset 1440p dlss balanced (64Gb ram + 5800x3d)

[–]Gilinis 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A 92 score to represent the fact that 92% of people won’t be able to run the game lol

[–]AvD_MercT 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The game does look good on PC, on consoles, on the other hand, the game looks inconsistent, there is a Lot of good stuff, like the lighting and the character models, but there is a lot of bad stuff too, the internal resolution ranges from decent to mediocre, the shadow quality is sometimes outrageous, there is a Lot of shimmering on lines and a grainy look to many surfaces. Sometimes It does look next-gen, but in some aspects It looks worse than last gen.

And here is the catch, even on PC, most players won't be able to play the game with a decent resolution and good FPS, most Will be locked to 30 Native 1080p or 60 dlss at 720p internal resolution at medium on best cases, and on those settings the game does not look all that good.

[–]Big-Rip2640 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Epic Store exclusive + very high system requirements that most people dont even have.

Yeah, looking forward to User reviews not being as high as critics as usual.

[–]Jinxed_DisasterRyzen 2600X / RTX2070 / DDR4 16GB 3000Mhz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am not saying Alan Wake is bad, but wait. First reviews and ratings are almost always done by fans or haters. Because they are first to rush there to post them. Fans are first to complete the game. Real score will be there in a fe weeks or a month, depending on the game length. When most people finish it and join in.

PS. Waaait. You are talking about the score from critics? That's literally worthless. Game journalism is dead. That number doesn't really correlate with the game quality. Again, not to say Alan Wake 2 is bad, time will tell. But critic score is still worthless.

[–]KingOfFigaro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah but I've gone so many years without installing EGS at this point that I just cannot afford to ruin the streak.

[–]heatlesssun 6 points7 points  (3 children)

How were you not massively downvoted pointing out the greatness of an EGS PC exclusive?

[–]Jarnisi9-9900K 5.1 / RTX 3090 OC / Maximus XI Formula / Predator X35 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Maybe because this time they didn't just buy exclusivity, they funded the whole development. This is "fair" exclusive in that regard. Exactly same as if Sony funds Insomniac to make Spider-Man 2 and someone would cry why no xbox version.

[–]bristow84Ryzen 7 3800x|3080 TUF OC|64GB 3200Mhz CL16|1TB 970 Evo Plus M.2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because this isn't Epic's usual maneuver of stealing a game for their store after the fact.

Epic acted as the publisher for this game right from the get-go so yeah it's no surprise that it's EGS exclusive but it's also kind of warranted in this scenario.

[–]baliza1991 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'll wait the real reviews to come out

[–]HilppariB550, R5 5600X, RX6800 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Epic exclusive so thats no from me. i guess they dont want money

[–]MerTheGamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They would not have made the game to make money if it was not for Epic's funding lmao

[–]Crims0nwolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sure people who have the specs to run it have a great time

[–]Excellent-Timing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They better rate the games well or they won’t get another one to rate. Don’t take any of that bull shit for anything of value.

[–]BenBujaHTPC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And it's only 50 bucks! Good to see a new game not cost €70-€80 for once. It was a no brainer to get this on day 1 for me as I also loved Alan Wake 1.

[–]tandrew91PC Master Race 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Probably because only 10 people can play it

[–]Ishuun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can barely get over 30fps on any setting at 1080 and 1440.

With a 2080 super, ryzen 9 5900x

Really fuckin rough cause it dips below that sometimes.

Game is straight up not optimized at all.

Devs need to cut this graphical fidelity shit and just make stylized games that look good without pumping the fucking pixels and particles up.

[–]WearStarPCMR || 6700XT / 7 2700x / 16GB 3200MHz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who cares about metacritic nowdays? Watch benchmarks

[–]Hascus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I swear this Alan Wake shit is astroturfing, no way anyone cares this much and a 92 is really not an all time high score.

[–]PCGMR2023NEO G9 49",5800X,X570i,RTX 3080 12GB,32 GB 3200Mhz,NZXT H1 V2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bought it today.

[–]ResponsibleJudge3172 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because the game is not unoptimized. If you want to run at console settings, 3070 will run 100FPS.

Considering this is PCMasterrace it's hilarious to see people's reactions

[–]n19htmare -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Whining crowd type 1: Why do graphics look like they're from 2012??? I paid $xx for current gen card!!!

Whining crowd type 2: Why are games so unoptimized by lazy devs?! I can't even get 90FPS @ 4K Ultra setting on my 3060!

Only thing that's a constant is that there will always be people whining.

[–]UndergroundMartyn 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That's a big hyperbole there.

[–]Electrical-Leave-694 -4 points-3 points  (35 children)

Yeah looks great and I'm definitely gonna buy it.... when it comes to steam.

[–]Jarnisi9-9900K 5.1 / RTX 3090 OC / Maximus XI Formula / Predator X35 17 points18 points  (16 children)

Epic funded and published it. It will come to Steam right after Fortnite comes to Steam.

Please do not hold your breath, it may be several decades.

[–]Ok-Hope9766 0 points1 point  (14 children)

Well, gladly it's already cracked, so I can breath :)