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[–]forevertired1982 969 points970 points  (131 children)

How is it ultra with FSR performance literally makes zero sense?

[–]forsaykenSpecs/Imgur Here 409 points410 points  (20 children)

No 1440p60 on ultra either. No configurations without FSR/DLSS either.

[–]half-baked_axx2700X | 6700 | 16GB | Gaming couch OC 408 points409 points  (19 children)

Devs completely relying on upscaling even at 1080p is so stupid and enraging

[–]leoklausRyzen 5 5600X | RTX 3070FE | Dark Base 700 White Edition 179 points180 points  (6 children)

Wtf, 1080p60 requires a 3070 at DLSS performance? That’s 960*540 internal. But a 2060 that is like half the actual horsepower is supposed to run at 30fps with DLSS quality (720p)?

[–]TTechnologyR5 5600X / 3060 Ti / 4x8GB 3600MHz CL16 45 points46 points  (4 children)

With and without RT...

[–]leoklausRyzen 5 5600X | RTX 3070FE | Dark Base 700 White Edition 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Huh, that’s even worse. How does raytracing at a higher resolution have such little performance impact?

And the 4070 that’s roughly 30% faster (being generous), is supposed to do 1080/60 at a higher ray tracing preset with pathtracing?

These make absolutely no sense at all… Luckily, the game will disappear into obscurity within two days of its launch thanks to the Epic exclusivity. Still, I personally was really excited, I loved the first one.

[–]ArenjiTheLootGod 18 points19 points  (0 children)

As well it should, requiring DLSS/FSR to get 1080p 60 in 2023 (nearly 2024) is unacceptable. 1080p 60 native is the bare minimum and should be achievable on low end stuff like RTX 3050s and RX 6600s. It's actually insulting, this game never should have cleared QA and probably needed at least another year in the oven.

Epic exclusivity just further cements this imminent debacle as a cynical cash grab from a fan base that has long been neglected.

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      [–]WinchyKey 49 points50 points  (2 children)

      This shit needs to stop. Nothing is going to run native resolutions soon. Ridiculous.

      [–]jberry1119 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      That’s a given. We went from pushing 1440P native to 960x540 native with a fancy upscaler.

      [–]mogafaq 6 points7 points  (5 children)

      I find FSR2 and DLSS to be superior to your average TAA in quality and of course performance penalty(gain). Suggesting performance upscaling for low, balanced for medium, and quality for high graphic preset would makes sense. This chart though, I hope it's just typos, it makes no sense.

      [–]theuntouchable2725Z690 Tomahawk, 12100F, 2x8GB@3600MT/s, 6700 XT N+, LS720, TD500C 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      FSR looks like shit in Lords of the Fallen tbh. I'm resorted to running that game on Kedium with FSR off.

      Haven't tried in any other game yet, but not a good first impression either.

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        [–]Dealric7800x3d 7900 xtx 257 points258 points  (88 children)

        Thats one thing I hate about DLSS/FSR

        Its not there to help older/weaker cards get better results.

        Its a crutch of developers.

        Requirements absolutely shouldnt go with upscaling on.

        [–]random_reddit_user31 127 points128 points  (30 children)

        Yeah upscaling has become the worst thing that's happened to PC gaming in a long time. The right intentions were there, but it's now been abused by lazy developers.

        [–]evilsbane50 77 points78 points  (14 children)

        I knew it would happen but not THIS fast.

        [–]Cbrady40Desktop 23 points24 points  (7 children)

        Back when I had my old 2070S and it started getting to the end of my time with it, upscaling wasn't being abused like it is now (seems like ever since this year), but instead helped me prolong the lifespan of my GPU a bit. Nowadays it seems to be a bandaid to hide the fact that even enthusiast GPUs like a 4080/4090 are getting 30-40fps at their target resolutions, and I say all this as someone who likes using DLSS if its implemented well regarding picture quality.

        [–]MrRickGhastlyPC Master Race 48 points49 points  (5 children)

        Bro. It's ridiculous I bought a 3080 in 2021 and I'm being told I need to buy a better card to play in 1440p without dlss.

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            [–]Quegyboe7800x3D / MSI B650 Tomahawk / 32g DDR5 @ 6400 / RTX 2070 28 points29 points  (2 children)

            Its a crutch of developers.

            This is why I keep telling all my friends to not buy a game at launch, no matter how hyped they are for it. Launch games now-a-days are just BETA's you pay for. Always wait about a year / for the "Game of the year" edition because those versions of the game are usually polished enough to be considered the actual sellable version.

            Buying games on launch day basically says you are willing to accept the game in that un-optimized state which reinforces the behavior of devs / publishers to keep doing it.

            [–]The_Dung_Beetle3700X | AMD 6950 XT | X570 32 points33 points  (3 children)

            Remedy usually cares about their games though.. Control is well optimized (IMO) and AW2 is also built on the Northlight Engine. We'll see when the game comes out.

            [–]twhite1195PC Master Race | 5600x RX 6800XT | 5700X RX 7900 XT 44 points45 points  (1 child)

            Quantum break still runs like ass to this day tho

            [–]symbianz107PC Master Race 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            True control is much better optimize then quantum break

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              [–]forevertired1982 23 points24 points  (29 children)

              Seems like every game releasing from now on is the new crysis. :(

              [–]Dealric7800x3d 7900 xtx 84 points85 points  (28 children)

              Except its not.

              Crysis was groundbreaking graphic wise. And it was still playable on average desktop if you turn down graphics.

              Now we have games that are not groundbreaking and requires crutches on most advanced cards.

              [–]forevertired1982 21 points22 points  (11 children)

              Crysis was also badly optimised but at that time in the pc genre it was put down to it being "intensive",

              Running original crysis only ever used one core so even when 8 core cpus came out it would still run like shit,

              And it was more of a joke than being 100% serious.

              [–]ducklord 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Nah, the GPU was the major bottleneck back then. I don't mean that the game's single-threaded engine wasn't a bottleneck, but that back then we didn't have the hardware to realize it was a bottleneck.

              The first piece of hardware that was inadequate for Running Crysis As It Should Be was the GPU. Then, our next GPU. And then, the one that came after that. Three or four GPUs and a decade down the road, we could, now, run Crysis. And it was then everyone realized "nah, you can't, for it's also restricted by its single-threaded engine".

              Source: Tried to run it at launch and, since I'm a tech writer, also had to use it here and there "to check out a PC's/component's performance" when writing articles on them, buying guides, yadda-yadda-yadda.

              I don't recall specific timeframes, but it must have been at least five years after its release until the average Joe could afford a GPU that could run it at a steady 60 FPS without chugging.

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                [–]MakingShitAwkwardi5-8600K|Radeon RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming D 16G OC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                That's not really true.

                I built a new PC specifically to run Crysis, with probably the second best graphics card at the time, and still had to finely tweak settings to get 30 FPS.

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                    [–]HoroSatre 32 points33 points  (0 children)

                    It probably means it's going to be another unoptimized game that requires upscaling to even run fairly.

                    [–]DktheDarkKnight 27 points28 points  (7 children)

                    Guys there is a mistake in the chart I believe.

                    If you see the recommended preset

                    1440p 30fps requires 3060/6600 with DLSS/FSR2 at balanced. That's 896p base resolution.

                    1080p 60fps requires 3070 /6700xt with DLSS/FSR2 at performance. Thays 540p base resolution.

                    Even with the higher FPS target the 1440p 30fps using balanced preset will be way more demanding than 1080p 60fps using performance preset. It doesn't make sense. You also have to consider the fact 6700xt/3070 are almost 30 to 35% faster.

                    There is definitely a mistake.

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                      [–]seenybusiness 531 points532 points  (21 children)

                      1080p with dlss/fsr set to performance for 60fps on a 3070???????

                      this has gone too far.

                      [–]Dealric7800x3d 7900 xtx 189 points190 points  (5 children)

                      enojy 540p native xD

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                      State of game development is in really sad place

                      [–]mao8mog 29 points30 points  (0 children)

                      At medium settings, I should add

                      [–]WearStarPCMR || 6700XT / 7 2700x / 16GB 3200MHz 21 points22 points  (2 children)

                      they thought they can pass this like console players

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                        [–]InclinedbenchpressRTX 3070 | Ryzen 5 3600 | 2x8gb 3200mts 765 points766 points  (32 children)

                        So with a 3070 I'll be able to get 60 fps at 1080, but I have to use DLSS on performance mode to get 60 fps, wich means the game will be rendering at like, what, 540p? Idk maybe I just didn't get it, hope I'm wrong, otherwise this is BS
                        EDIT: also EPIC exclusive, big NOPE to me so far

                        [–]DeepJudgment 270 points271 points  (1 child)

                        Also medium settings, lmao. What a dumpster fire

                        [–]TheStupendusMan 133 points134 points  (15 children)

                        I missed the Epic exclusive part. Fuck. Guess I'm waiting for the inevitable Steam release with all the patches.

                        [–]MasterSparrow 64 points65 points  (7 children)

                        You might be waiting a while. The game is part funded and published by Epic Games.

                        [–]TheStupendusMan 38 points39 points  (5 children)

                        PS5 it is!

                        [–]cat-o-beep-boop 26 points27 points  (3 children)

                        I'm curious how the game will run on the PS5. 6600XT has the same computational power as the console

                        [–]TheStupendusMan 28 points29 points  (2 children)

                        The blessing of the console is limited SKU variance. So, if optimized properly, there aren't a ton of wrenches that can get thrown in the mix.

                        [–]TubaenthusiasticbeeRX6950XT | Ryzen 7 5800x3d | 32gb 3200MHz 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                        • less workload due to less demanding operating system. Learned the hard way that it can make a huuuuuge difference

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                              [–]JackieMortes 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                              Alan Wake Remastered is still an Epic exclusive.

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                                [–]From-UoM 16 points17 points  (8 children)

                                The 1440p30 or 1080p60.is wrong

                                1440p30 - 3060 dlss balanced

                                The 3070 is well over 50% faster than the 3060

                                Meaning about 1440p45 fps at dlss balanced.

                                Translates to roughly 1440p60 Dlss performance OR 1080p60 Dlss Quality.

                                Medium is also the second highest setting. High is maxed. Low is lowest. Control had the same setup.

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                                  [–]1ch4rd 135 points136 points  (4 children)

                                  rx 6600 for 30 fps? the fuck

                                  [–]Markie411[5800X3D / RTX3080 (game rig) | 5600H / 1650M | 5600X / 1080Ti] 71 points72 points  (1 child)

                                  At 1080p with fsr at performance... Which means the game only plays at 540p low 30fps... That's actually a joke

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                                    [–]ARatOnPC 824 points825 points  (59 children)

                                    Literally relying on fsr/dlss is a big no no.

                                    [–]AxzoYT1080ti 9700k 32gb 3200mhz MSI Z390 Gaming 232 points233 points  (35 children)

                                    It’s easy to identify and avoid unoptimized trash. If it forces fsr/dlss, I’m not buying it

                                    [–]gin-n-tonic-clonicRyzen 5600 4.65ghz RTX 3070 1440p 144hz .5tb nvme 16gb 3200mhz 42 points43 points  (12 children)

                                    When Control came out you needed a 2080ti, the best card when it came out, just to get 60fps in 1080p with full RTX. I don't expect this to be much different

                                    Edit: I was saying control sucked at optimization and this one appears like it's going to be even worse, dunno how so many people are reading this thinking I'm defending the game lol

                                    [–]DBZashR7 5700X || RX 6800XT || 4x8Gb D4 3200 C16 37 points38 points  (5 children)

                                    Ok but like...look at the Raster requirement, how is that normal ?

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                                        [–]Similar_Vehicle9893 33 points34 points  (0 children)

                                        Right. Pointing to Remnant 2

                                        [–]sillybonobo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                                        Relying on DLSS for 60fps...

                                        [–]RollingPandaKid 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                        And still people will preorder and then cry when the performance is trash.

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                                          [–]Cheesi_Boii5 13600KF│RTX 3070│G.Skill 2x16 GB 6000Mhz│ MSI Pro Z790-A Wifi 114 points115 points  (12 children)

                                          Since when is the 3070 a $500 card btw, a 1080p card?

                                          [–]TheRealRoloR9 5900X | RTX 3070 | 64GB 4,400 MT/s 96 points97 points  (0 children)

                                          The 3070 was nerfed in the 2023 patch

                                          [–]Adventurous_Bell_837 71 points72 points  (4 children)

                                          540p medium* according to these sheets.

                                          [–]Cheesi_Boii5 13600KF│RTX 3070│G.Skill 2x16 GB 6000Mhz│ MSI Pro Z790-A Wifi 22 points23 points  (3 children)

                                          Jesus, how hard it it to optimize your game, it would take literally a week of 10 people's time to get it figured out.

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                                            [–]CanisMajoris855800X3D RTX 4090 QD-OLED UW 108 points109 points  (7 children)

                                            Interesting they used a 3700x across the board aside from the minimum, not a 3600 anywhere for like medium.

                                            [–]hardlyreadit5800X3D|32GB🐏|6950XT 48 points49 points  (0 children)

                                            Probably just picked the closest cpu to the 1 in consoles

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                                              [–]Mysterious-Stand3254 104 points105 points  (1 child)

                                              1080p Medium FSR Performance 60 FPS. With a 6700XT? The fuck

                                              [–]Additional_Tip_928 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                              Even UE5 games aren’t this demanding.

                                              [–]McQuibblyRyzen 7 3700x || RTX 3070 FE 46 points47 points  (4 children)

                                              TIL my specs are for 1080p gaming at medium settings

                                              [–]MukwiththeBuck 78 points79 points  (2 children)

                                              A 3070 can only achieve 1080p 60FPS medium in performance mode!? I don't remember my 1060 getting outdated this fast as the current hardware is jesus christ.

                                              [–]DrDaddyPHDR7 3800X | RTX 2080 Super :( | 32GB 3200Mhz | 144hz 51 points52 points  (1 child)

                                              Upscaling software like DLSS was cool until it gave developers a reason to skip optimization. Now it’s just bullshit

                                              [–]DeusInfidel 29 points30 points  (1 child)

                                              the time dawns where a 2070S is not gonna suffice anymore

                                              [–]AngryAndCrestfallen 81 points82 points  (8 children)

                                              Just who are they making these games for??? These are the top 10 GPUs on the Steam hardware survey:

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                                              [–]Simp4BeckyLynch 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                                              Luckily they put it on Epic where everyone has a 6600 or better gpu /s

                                              [–]GloriousStone10850k | RTX 4070ti 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                                              Now go check out the top 10 steam games and cross referance the data. People with 1060 and 1650 dont play 60-70$ TRIPLE As. They play cs and league.

                                              Not that I am defending this attrocity of a game.

                                              [–]Homerbola92 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                              I agree with you but imho a 2060/1080 upwards should be enough for medium 1080p gaming 2023. Maybe medium-low sometimes.

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                                                  [–]Cbrady40Desktop 124 points125 points  (14 children)

                                                  I love how people go "They're not gonna support oLd hArdWaRe forever BRUH" on a comment of someone who owns an upper 30 series GPU which used to be the fastest GPUs available until 12 months ago, acting like they're suddenly slow dinosaurs that should only play at Low-Medium because the 4080 and 4090 are out.

                                                  EDIT: I think people with stuff like a 1060/2060 should be expecting Medium max at this point, but I think 3080/3090 owners have a right to complain if they're barely getting like 50fps now.

                                                  [–]Rizenstrom 47 points48 points  (0 children)

                                                  I have a 7800 XT literally current gen hardware and it says I need to use FSR performance to achieve 60 FPS? That’s just unacceptable.

                                                  [–]paulerxxRyzen 3600X + 5700XT 33 points34 points  (7 children)

                                                  I mean look at Capcom, they know how to optimize a game. Even a 5700XT should be getting a mix between high/med settings, 60 fps at 1080p in 2023.

                                                  [–]Some-Trainer-8484 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                                  had an 5700xt until 2 months ago, that card is actually much better then that. I often got 60-100fps (obviously very game dependant) on 1440p, most on medium, textures mostly high.

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                                                    [–]DionysusDerp5800X | 6950XT | 32GB RAM 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                                                    Yeah some guy told me that my 6950XT was outdated a couple of weeks ago, idk what these people are smoking.

                                                    [–]Cbrady40Desktop 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                                                    Yeah this would be like if a 1080 Ti was relegated to Medium settings at 60fps literally when the 20 series released (I guess technically it did lack RT but RT implementation was basically non-existent in games until the last 2-3 years)

                                                    [–]Cole3003 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                    Longevity has gone out the window, 1080TIs we’re outperforming 3060s at everything except raytracing. No shot anything g released today will achieve similar.

                                                    [–]BruhiumMomentum 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                    i bought a 3070 in early 2021, 2.5 years later it's supposed to struggle to get 1080p60 on medium settings with DLSS on Performance?

                                                    this card was released 3 years ago ffs

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                                                      [–]AltruisticDistance48 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                      540p60fps gaming babyyy. Let's gooo

                                                      [–]TheRealRoloR9 5900X | RTX 3070 | 64GB 4,400 MT/s 32 points33 points  (2 children)

                                                      It feels like games this year were developed with a 4090 as the base configuration.

                                                      [–]munitionchipsintoys11 | 5600x | 1070👀| 16gb 💀 Ballistix 36 points37 points  (13 children)

                                                      Looks like I'm playing on ps5 lmao

                                                      [–]HavocInferno3900X - 6900 XT - 64GB 34 points35 points  (6 children)

                                                      It won't run much better on PS5. You simply won't have control over the settings.

                                                      [–]munitionchipsintoys11 | 5600x | 1070👀| 16gb 💀 Ballistix 46 points47 points  (3 children)

                                                      It will run much better than my 1070

                                                      [–]HavocInferno3900X - 6900 XT - 64GB 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                      Fair 🪦

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                                                            [–]szarfolt 59 points60 points  (1 child)

                                                            If this is true, this is horrible. A 3070 can’t get 60 fps without DLSS Performance at 1080p on a MEDIUM preset? That’s criminal.

                                                            [–]Jumpy_Army88912600k | 32GB DDR5-6000 | RTX 4060Ti 8GB 156 points157 points  (62 children)

                                                            if it aint on steam, no thanks.

                                                            [–]bt123456789I9-13900KF RTX 4070 29 points30 points  (14 children)

                                                            Epic paid for it to be made, won't happen.

                                                            [–]Bobsofa5900X | 32GB | RTX 3080 | O11D XL | 21:9 1600p G-Sync 50 points51 points  (34 children)

                                                            Oh man, I missed that nugget. Then I'll wait until it's well optimized and on Steam.

                                                            Shit, I was looking forward to this one. Loved the first one, besides that one DLC.

                                                            [–]bt123456789I9-13900KF RTX 4070 53 points54 points  (32 children)

                                                            Epic paid for it to be made, don't get your hopes up for it being on steam.

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                                                                [–]ApprehensiveTone7187[S] 72 points73 points  (14 children)

                                                                I think this is the first game with DLSS/FSR in the requirements

                                                                [–]Zaggados 103 points104 points  (1 child)

                                                                massive red flag

                                                                [–]Zetra3 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                                                it is not, it's the third

                                                                [–]vlken69i9-12900K | 3080 10G | 32 GB 3600 MHz | SN850 1 TB | W11 Pro 30 points31 points  (0 children)

                                                                Definitely not, at least Remnant 2 and Immortals of Aveum were before. Can't remember more.

                                                                [–]Happiness_FirstRyzen 7700X / Radeon 6800XT / 32GB 6000Mhz 17 points18 points  (5 children)

                                                                I think Aveum had upscaling in the little requirements page they made too, I remember one other game but not sure if it was Aveum or something else. Regardless, this is sad

                                                                [–]massimovolume 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                                                                Remnant 2

                                                                [–]Happiness_FirstRyzen 7700X / Radeon 6800XT / 32GB 6000Mhz 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                                                                Yeah that makes sense, I refunded that game because of how shit it ran

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                                                                  [–]GendalfHeadShacker 59 points60 points  (2 children)

                                                                  FSR/DLSS in requirements = developers don't care about optimization

                                                                  [–]isoLinearuk 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                                                  Exactly. Wasn't amd, or nvidias fault, they probably did it for low end cards at the beginning but now dev's are too greedy with it.

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                                                                    [–]sudden_aggression 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                                                                    today I learned that no one uses a 3080 to game at 1440

                                                                    [–]kokotko234Linux 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                    You're right, it's a 720p low 60fps card now

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                                                                      [–]Zetra3 109 points110 points  (33 children)

                                                                      Wow, this might be Remedy's first L in a long time. These specs are hideous. I should not be fighting for my life to get 1440p/60 with my 2080 Super with no RTX.

                                                                      [–]Star_2001 30 points31 points  (7 children)

                                                                      Do you remember that they made Control which looks good as hell? I mean we'll see when it comes out but it might be worth it

                                                                      [–]BeatnikConspiracyi7-2600 | 16 gb | 3060 12 gb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                      I'd like to point out that even my PC can run Control with RT and DLSS, and I'm well below the system requirements. These specs are just what they know will work, you have to break it down and realize they're not testing games on old hardware, so they're not going to outline all of that coverage. That said, this has path-tracing, so we're all fucked.

                                                                      [–]dovahkiitten16PC Master Race 32 points33 points  (4 children)

                                                                      Control also only needed DLSS if you turned on RTX.

                                                                      [–]Adventurous_Bell_837 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                                      Yeah obviously, as with any rt title, but this needs dlss performance in 1080p without ray tracing on medium settings with A 3070, how is it even comparable?

                                                                      [–]flaggrandall 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                                                      But AW2 needs DLSS even if you don't use raytracing.

                                                                      [–]dovahkiitten16PC Master Race 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                                                                      That was my point.

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                                                                          [–]Iuseahandyforredditi7 12700, B660, 64GB Ram, 3070ti, corsair fanboi 18 points19 points  (2 children)

                                                                          "or Intel equivalent"

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                                                                          whats that supposed to mean, just say what cpu is equivalent

                                                                          [–]Hepi_34R7 3700X | 5700 XT | 32GB 3200MHZ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                          I think it would be a 9700K in this case, but you’re right, they could’ve just listed it.

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                                                                            [–]uSuperDick 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Dlss performane at 1080p. Got it. I will just continue playing cp2077 and elden ring. Fuck new games. These imbeciles think 4090 is the normal thing for an average human. Wtf do you even need to run this abomination at 1080 high no rt native? A fucking 4080?

                                                                            [–]kaktus_dzekDesktop 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                                                            I mean who doesn't like playing on performance fsr at 1080p? I do it all the time, and the image quality is 1000% better than native. Looks just as good as 4k, definitely no visual artifacts or anything!

                                                                            [–]jeremyfromjewel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Alan's Baked 2, tell me your game is an unoptimized piece of shit without telling me your game is, in fact, an unoptimozed piece of shit.

                                                                            [–]DeepJudgment 34 points35 points  (5 children)

                                                                            Looks like hideous optimisation to me. You're telling me I'll be getting like 30 fps on medium settings in native 1080 on my RX 6650 XT? Cyberpunk 2077 runs 75+ fps on ultra with no RT or upscaling. Sure, the game is 3 years old, but still

                                                                            [–]Adventurous_Bell_837 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                            On A 3070, on max settings with ray traced reflections, ray traced shadows and ray traced lighting in DLSS balanced in 1440p, I get 60 fps on cyberpunk.

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                                                                            Now to achieve the same performance on what is imo a worse looking game, not open world, I need to render the game in 540p upscaled to 1080p and medium settings with no rt? WTF?

                                                                            [–]Konker101AMD 6700XT AMD Ryzen 2600x, 32gb 3000 Gskill Aegis, GB D40M BS3H 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                            Yeah thats fucked

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                                                                              [–]Onyx_Sentinel 66 points67 points  (21 children)

                                                                              we're looking at another unoptimized mess

                                                                              [–]TheGutcheeRyzen 7 5700X Radeon RX6750XT 31 points32 points  (2 children)

                                                                              FSR/DLSS should never exist on a requirement sheet.

                                                                              [–]Alrighhty 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                                                              Dlss/fsr is now a patch for unoptimized games.

                                                                              [–]just_mdd44090 Ti (allegedly) 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                                                                              No XeSS necessary? Great news indeed!

                                                                              Edit: nvm there DLSS/FSR 😞😞

                                                                              [–]gin-n-tonic-clonicRyzen 5600 4.65ghz RTX 3070 1440p 144hz .5tb nvme 16gb 3200mhz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                                              Lol thought you were being cheeky before the edit, "they didn't mention xess, good news!"

                                                                              [–]DethZire 46 points47 points  (3 children)

                                                                              AAA PC gaming is dead bois.

                                                                              [–]Adventurous_Bell_837 27 points28 points  (2 children)

                                                                              Consoles versions won't be much better, they'll be locked to 1080p 30 upscaled from 540p on low settings probably, but people won't notice because they don't have control on the settings.

                                                                              [–]WearStarPCMR || 6700XT / 7 2700x / 16GB 3200MHz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                              This should be illegal for our eyes

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                                                                                [–]nevermore2627i7-13700k | RX7900XTX | 1440P@165hz 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                                                                What the hell are we doing with upscaling on the requirement specs?

                                                                                😬 Yikes.

                                                                                [–]Ashen764 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                                                                                So you need a rtx 3070 or a 6700 xt to get 60 fps on 1080p with performance upscaling which is like 540p?

                                                                                [–]paulerxxRyzen 3600X + 5700XT 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                                At medium settings 🤣

                                                                                [–]lategmakergigabyte Z690|i7-12700|3600 32gb|gigabyte RTX3060 12gb| 2 1/2 TB 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                                                                                What horrible spec req sheet. Couldn’t bother to put Intel equivalent, gpu recommendations for all tiers are all over the place and no native rendering tier. This game is definitely NOT FINISHED.

                                                                                [–]UnlimitedButtsDesktop i5-12600k|3070 FE|32GB 3600|4000x 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                                                DOA

                                                                                [–]CharlesEverettDekker 24 points25 points  (5 children)

                                                                                This game literally begs to be a financial flop
                                                                                You can't play this game with good fps and good picture if you are not raking 40 series, this game is also a EGS exclusive.
                                                                                So basically wait for a discount on Steam whenever it goes there after all the patches and like a pc upgrade.

                                                                                [–]SherLocK-555800X3D | 32GB 3600/CL14 | TUF 7900 XTX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                I am probably one of the few who just DGAF about this game, the first one was boring and this one whilst graphically impressive looks much the same.

                                                                                [–]Temporary-Map4810 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                                                                If it doesnt have Denuvo ill pirate it for sure. I find the game intriguing enough that I dont mind playing at 1080p low 30fps with DLSS performance lmfao. But no way in hell Im buying a fullpriced game Epic, and supporting their exclusivity bullshit, or trapping my library in their shitty ecosystem.

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                                                                                  [–]unabletocomput3i3 12100f, rtx 3080 10gb, 16gb 3200 mt/s 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Oh god, it requires an rx6600 just for minimum settings with FSR without rt enabled?!? This is going to be a total shit show at launch.

                                                                                  [–]dovahkiitten16PC Master Race 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  This wouldn’t be a bad benchmark if it wasn’t relying on DLSS/FSR. Balanced upscaling to reach 30 fps on a 3060 @ 1440p? Oof. I miss the days when upscaling was for playing demanding games on poor hardware that you otherwise couldn’t play, or just getting a nice FPS boost if you had good hardware, or being able to push higher resolutions and still get decent fps. Whereas now upscaling is needed just to be playable, and barely that since 30 fps was phased out a while ago…

                                                                                  At least all these hilarious requirements prevent me from ever wanting to upgrade. It’d be one thing if each gpu generation made giant leaps and I needed to get the modern xx60/x600, but needing 80 tiers for stuff is so out of reach I can just ignore it all.

                                                                                  [–]StoneRule 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                                                                                  "Is this an early April fool's joke?"

                                                                                  [–]LOPI-14PC Master Race 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  "You guys have 4090s right?"

                                                                                  [–]EribetraRyzen 5 4600G, 2x8GB Ballistix 3200CL16, Gig B550M H 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                                                  The RX6700XT has long been considered a good 1440p card capable of running games at 60+FPS Ultra.

                                                                                  And here we see this game needing it to run at 1080p with FSR Performance to get 60FPS Medium.

                                                                                  This game's graphics are either revolutionary, or the worst optimized period.

                                                                                  [–]TheR3aper2000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Bruh another shitty PC port incoming?

                                                                                  No one should be using DLSS or FSR at Performance level, it looks trash

                                                                                  [–]tek_saport 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Is this a fucking joke?

                                                                                  [–]FilthyFrenchFries 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Sometimes I wonder what is going to happen with pc games optimisation when we’ll hit performance limit

                                                                                  [–]BillyxmacRX 5700 XT | Ryzen 7 3700x | 1440p UW 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                                                                                  With how poorly optimized some of these new releases are, it keeps me unsure if my 5700 XT still makes sense or if I'll have to upgrade soon.

                                                                                  At this point I just flat out don't buy new games and wait until a year or two later when there's been tons of performance improvements that my system runs it fine.

                                                                                  Because this is BS.

                                                                                  [–]Break3000 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  It's 2024 almost. 60 FPS should be the minimum.

                                                                                  [–]TerrorFirmerIRL 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Games are in a bad way these days when to hit 30fps at 1080p low with FSR upscaling, you need a $250 GPU released this year.

                                                                                  [–]thewizerd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  This system requirements clearly shows that Devs are getting lazy to optimise their games because they are relying on upscaling.

                                                                                  [–]Wilsonian81 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  This shit's getting out of hand.

                                                                                  [–]Gh0stl3it 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Cool. I'll play it in 5 years after it's optimized.

                                                                                  [–]BigDoof12 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                                                                                  It's funny how weird the pc gaming market is.

                                                                                  2000s series cards are still priced insanely high but can't run shit now a days.

                                                                                  3000 series is good but overpriced yet is only meeting "minimum or medium" on some games.

                                                                                  4000 series is dog shit.

                                                                                  It's like AAA devs are FAR outpacing GPUs right now

                                                                                  [–]MyRandomlyMadeName 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                                                  It's the devs fault. You can make a game that both looks like ass, and runs like ass at the same time.

                                                                                  Not saying nvidia didn't make a shitty jump from 3000 to 4000, but the fact that a lot of games run like dog shit lately is mostly down to the devs.

                                                                                  [–]WearStarPCMR || 6700XT / 7 2700x / 16GB 3200MHz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  if we stopped buy these unoptimized shareholders happiest deadlines games. either they will go from the industry which is good or work like normal devs on their games which is even more good

                                                                                  [–]LostarienR7 7800X3D|RTX 4070|64GB Lexar 6400MHz CL32|B650 GAMING X AX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  So Cyberpunk2077 in 1440p ultra with path tracing on 4070 dlss and frame gen easily works with fps capped to 72 so Alan Wake 2 also should work maxed out on this graphics card

                                                                                  [–]Scroto_Saggin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  These days I feel like developers don't rely on upscalers to produce better looking games that will run great (and wouldn't at native resolution)... they only rely on upscalers to produce unoptimized crap and save on costs...

                                                                                  Am I going crazy?

                                                                                  [–]xprozoomy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  :/ I feel like this wonderful series is about to be a doa.

                                                                                  [–]AllMyFrendsArePixels5900X / 3080Ti / 32GB 3600MHz CL18 / 980Pro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  I'm not too worried about this, because being epic exclusive means I'm not buying it anyway lol

                                                                                  [–]MarkusRightRX 7900 XTX, R5 3600, 32GB ram 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  We've officially reached PC hell where DLSS and FSR and the crutches to fix poor optimization in order to get a stable 60+ FPS. What the hell man.....

                                                                                  [–]CalligrapherSenior52 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  540p medium on a RTX 3070...

                                                                                  Ok, that's a new record

                                                                                  [–]Trikitakes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Wtf, 1080p with a 3070 lol

                                                                                  [–]millanstarPC Master Race 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  This sub sure isnreallynfull of armchair devs...

                                                                                  [–]CaptainAddiGT-710/i3-530/2GB 22 points23 points  (9 children)

                                                                                  Epic only = no buy

                                                                                  [–]GodofcheeseSWE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Yeah fuck right off with this, laughable

                                                                                  [–]SRFoxtrot341_V2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  RTX 3070/RX 6700 XT for 1080p 60FPS medium? With performance upscaling?

                                                                                  Nope, thank you very much.

                                                                                  [–]WearStarPCMR || 6700XT / 7 2700x / 16GB 3200MHz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  another unoptimized game that will be the trend in the next few weeks

                                                                                  [–]TheKillaChalupa 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                                                  bro? are devs just getting lazy with optimization

                                                                                  [–]AW37X_ 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                                                                                  I was about to comment something along the lines "I doubt the game looks that good"..

                                                                                  Then I watched a video.. now I understand the reason for these specs

                                                                                  [–]_shameful 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  Yeah as painful as it is, the game looks GOOD like i absolutely think there's optimizations to be had but at least we're not having a starfield situation where the game looks like ass while requiring top end specs! I really hope it becomes better through patches but i doubt it'll improve that much.

                                                                                  [–]Lukeforce1235800X3D|6900 XT|32gb 3200|1440p 180hz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  What use is a good looking game if it's blurred to hell by upscaling?

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                                                                                    [–]monkeyboyape 9 points10 points  (7 children)

                                                                                    And yet consoles are doing 60 fps with 2070 level GPUs and Zen 1.8 CPUs.

                                                                                    LOL

                                                                                    [–]hardlyreadit5800X3D|32GB🐏|6950XT 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    Consoles also use upscale. And the graphics used on console are typically lower quality than pc max settings

                                                                                    [–]Adventurous_Bell_837 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    The series X has an 8 cores / 16 threads Zen 2 CPU along with a 6700. (both underclocked). Of course they can get 60 fps according to these specs requirements. They'll render the game in 540p, upscale it to 1080, on low/lower than low/medium settings, with a 30 FPS mode in 4k low upscaled from 720p.

                                                                                    [–]xZethx7700x : 6950XT 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    Who told you it would be running at 60fps on the consoles? When asked if performance mode on PS5 would be 60FPS Puha said “Still tweaking that,”. Aka good luck with that. Game will be 30fps, 45 with jumps on performance like we’ve seen before.

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                                                                                      [–]WolvenSpectrePC Master Race 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Yet more evidence that devs were being told that video cards would be much further along and cheaper by this point. They don't want to get burned at the stake for having cutting edge graphics which were supposed to be several generations old/more affordable by the video card companies, so they are using FSR/DLSS to make up for it.

                                                                                      [–]Greennit0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      What this sheet really tells us is that the game scales hugely above console graphics settings. Isn’t that what everyone wants?!

                                                                                      You can’t judge performance or optimization of the game without having seen it. For all we know low settings in AW2 could be as good as Ultra settings in your favorite „optimized“ game.

                                                                                      [–]-TheSha- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      It's gonna be another unoptimized mess

                                                                                      [–]coffeefuelledtechieRyzen 7 5800X3D | RTX3070 8GB | 32GB RAM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      My specs would put me somewhere between low and medium.

                                                                                      Wow.

                                                                                      [–]TriiXiie_DoPe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                                      Release date?

                                                                                      [–]NatsuWyri 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      I think i will go to PS5 version this time. My mid-range PC will no hundle it for sure

                                                                                      [–]HeromimoxRTX 2060-12GB/ Ryzen 5 5500 / 16GB 3200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Hmm, I think this game will be quite demanding on VRAM. I hope my RTX 2060 with 12GB will be able to handle it.

                                                                                      [–]KRawatXP2003Laptop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      If DLSS/FSR is on ultra to achieve that said fps..... what's the situation with native traditional render gaming?

                                                                                      [–]SinisterCheese 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Well... I keep getting told that optimisation doesn't bring any value added to software product. And since hardware peeps have once again blessed the software side with some extra potential... there is no need to bother to start optimising things yet. Good. I was afraid that coders, developers and engineers would have had to start using some maths, it's good that they can get by for a little while longer.

                                                                                      [–]MrThiru11400F | 6700XT 12GB OC | 32GB@3600MHZ | 1.5TB 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                                      1080P medium 6700xt :( im gon cry

                                                                                      [–]m-prov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Cries in 1070ti

                                                                                      [–]Active_Club3487PC Master Race 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                                                      What is the minimum AMD Radeon for RT medium and High? Not listed. Or Devs just didn’t care to find out?

                                                                                      [–]Daxtirsh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Meanwhile I can run Total War Pharaoh on my 8 yo rig.

                                                                                      [–]Empty-Dog-6429Atom 1.6 Ghz | Integrated | 1GB DDR2 800Mhz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Aww… guess I can’t play it.

                                                                                      [–]soarqzeq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Good to know my Ryzen 7 5700X and RTX 3070 is going to only be good to run this game at 540p 60fps. And it's good to know this unoptimized piece of shit is still gonna cost me 100 cad too, truly glad to be a part of the master race.

                                                                                      [–]TheKingAlt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Me and my 1650 super are crying rn

                                                                                      [–]261846R5 3600 | RTX 2070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Path tracing on at RT medium? We’ll see how that goes.

                                                                                      [–]dhallnet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      wtf

                                                                                      [–]HelpImAHugeDisaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      This is gonna be a shit show when the game gets release with this absurd requirements

                                                                                      [–]SonarioMG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      And worse, it's not a Bethesda game so modders can't fix the game for them

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