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I’m probably more confused than you
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Posted by5 years ago

I just finished listening to the podcast today and I can only think of one potential theory that checks all the boxes for me. The answer why all the theories feels off is because both Adnan and Jay are lying. Its really the only option that I think makes sense.

For starters it was not someone random or an uninvolved party because Jay knew when where Hae's car was. So we know that either Jay or Adnan were involved in some capacity.

The second key detail is that Adnan never flipped on Jay or does not appear to be angry with Jay. The average person would turn or be angry if they were innocent and someone else fingered or framed them to for murder. This leads me to believe that Adnan did not want to get revenge on Jay, which means two things. The first is that well Adnan killed Hae or Adnan at least knows that Jay didn't. And because of the car we know it was not an outside party so this leads us to conclude that Adnan killed Hae.

So to my more specific timeline and theory that explains why something feels off about the current theories. Its because they are both lying. I think they got high that morning or a previous day and ripped on Hae and said how bad of person she was for ditching Adnan for another guy. I think they decided to mess with her or even potentially rape her. I think Jay was just along for the ride at this point. Not sure probably just a dumb decision or for excitement. I think Adnan gets Hae to give him a ride and Jay pops in as well. Adnan or Jay brings a knife or just physically threatens her. She then pulls over and is forced into the back with Adnan while Jay drives Hae's car. They drive around while Adnan and Hae argue. Eventually it gets heated and she says things that really hurt him and he snaps he puts her hands around her neck not meaning to kill, but he is just mad. He strangles her by accident. Jay is bugging out while this happens. But he knows that he is now too heavily involved and is now an accessory to murder. He decides to help cover up the crime.

They then hang out with Jay's friend to establish an alibi and then later go bury the body in the park and comeback and ditch their clothes.

This explains why Jay knows where the car is, but was not involved in the murder. This is why Adnan does not flip on Jay and is not angry. He knows that he killed Hae and not Jay. However, this explains how Jay knows, but why he lies. He can't tell that they planned to mess with Hae and that he was there when Adnan did it because he would go down as an accessory to murder even though he never intended to do so. So he removes himself from the situation in his story, but still tells the rest of the details.

If I am missing anything let me know and I will rethink my theory.

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Posted by7 years ago

Mr S and Lividity Evidence

On another sub I posted about how strange Jen's testimony was re the Westview Mall pickup story. In particular, she mentions that she picks up Jay and he wants her to turn around and immediately go back. He checks on some shovels in a dumpster and comes back 'All shook up'. He then says 'Take me to Stephanie's'. My problem with this is that you don't get 'shook up' looking at shovels in a dumpster.

My hypothesis is that Hae was killed at Westview and her body was placed face down in a dumpster. This means Jay would have a very good reason to be shaken up after going back to Westview and 'cleaning the the shovel/s'.

Personally, I believe it makes more sense to find a dumpster than to try to wedge the body into the trunk of the car. This body placement might help to explain the lividity pattern identified in Undisclosed (ie she was lying face down for several hours pre burial). It would also necessitate a trip back to Westview later that night to pick up the body once no-one was around.

**A slight variation of above: Enter Mr S (and loads more speculation) ** I was thinking about Mr S today and the way Hae's body was found. It seems so strange that he took a leak on the way back from lunch and randomly stumbled across the grave site. Note that he failed a polygraph where he was asked if he had seen her before and if he had anything to do with the murder. Instead, the questions were substituted for 'how was she killed' type questions - and he passed.

So perhaps Mr S knows of the victim - just not how she died.

I know it is a stretch, but what if (similar to my narrative above) the body was not left in a dumpster. What if Hae's body was instead left face down in the back of a random pickup truck parked in the Westview mall car park. What if Mr S got home from a shopping trip and realised that he had a big problem. And going to the cops - given his background was not really an option. Instead, what if Mr S buries Hae - and later 'finds' her again on his lunch break.

Edit: Original made no sense....then again... perhaps neither does the rewrite.

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Posted by7 years ago

FACT: Mr. B, AKA Bilal, was Adnan's youth mentor at the mosque and was supposedly an alibi witness saying that Adnan attended the mosque on January 13th because they prepared Adnan's remarks for the following day.

FACT: Bilal was accused of molesting children by members of the mosque, particularly a group of refugee children.

FACT: Bilal was arrested for sexual misconduct with a minor immediately prior to Adnan's trial, the charges were dropped, and he fled to Saudi Arabia for some period of time.

FACT: Jay worked at a pornography store, SouthWest Video, that was notoriously known as a hookup spot for illicit sex and was a distribution hub for illegal drugs.

FACT: Mr. S. who discovered Hae's body was a convicted sex offender who enjoyed streaking recreationally.

FACT: Jay Wilds was part of a wider community, including many members of his family, who were deeply involved in drug dealing.

FACT: The initial subpoena for Adnan's cell records came from the DEA and did not include a request for subscriber activity for one notable exception: Jenn's phone.

FACT: Jenn was working on a biochemistry degree before dropping out of UMBC and worked with pool chemicals at her day job.

FACT: The DEA also subpoenaed Bilal's phone records which were full of complicated and strange usage involving hundreds of calls per day at all hours and billing charges in the multiple thousands of dollars per month.

FACT: The police never interviewed or provided information of any interview with either Phil or Patrick, both of whom were called during critical periods of the afternoon of January 13th, 1999.

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