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Adam Schiff Explains Why Trump’s Pardon Promise Is ‘Very Important Evidence’ (huffpost.com)

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[–]mekkasheeba 5858 points5859 points  (505 children)

I thought the capitol rioters weren’t trump supporters, but were Antifa or FBI. Why would trump want to pardon them? Unless…

[–]Allenrw3South Carolina 2241 points2242 points  (369 children)

First they were patriotic god fearin' gun loving bible thumping red blooded MURICAN as apple pie trump supporters, then they were BLM/Antifa dressed like trump supporters, then they were trump supporters wound up by the FBI, Obama, Satan, and Fauci, THEN they were "peaceful supporters on a tour" just hanging out y'know - beating the shit out of cops with American flags. So, who really knows?

[–]georgiegirl415 I voted 798 points799 points  (242 children)

The doublethink is exhausting. And they never seem to put it all together. Like, how little critical thinking skills you’d need to say “hey! Wait a minute!” And these people lack even that. Cult of morons.

[–]CU_09 I voted 574 points575 points  (133 children)

The doublethink that breaks my brain is that the party whose go-to boogeyman is communism and whose cultural touchstone is the Cold War is also vehemently pro-Putin, a literal KGB agent who wants to reestablish the USSR.

[–]georgiegirl415 I voted 295 points296 points  (77 children)

Right. You can’t explain that though. Just like their dumbass war against CRT, that was an obscure class in law school and being taught in zero public schools, but here we are.

Like I said, cult of morons.

[–]d_Composer 208 points209 points  (55 children)

I really feel like the only way we get out of this mess is a multi-generational approach where we, say, give the pentagon budget to the DOE and make the US #1 in education. Retrain all the coal miners in WV as programmers and use tax breaks to turn that area into the next Silicon Valley, make community college free again, stuff like that… I think this is all the result of Reagan’s cuts to education and we’re just seeing the impact of that administrative decision play out on this current generation of imbecilic nut jobs…

[–]georgiegirl415 I voted 189 points190 points  (14 children)

Well, yeah. It’s the conservatives wet dream coming to fruition. This is decades of work they’ve put in to defund public education and convince their idiot followers that it’s definitely someone else’s fault that they’re hungry and poor. Just look at Texas’ power grid. These mother fuckers don’t want federal regulation because FrEDoMs!! But they sure stick their hands out for federal aid the second it fails. And it will fail again, and they’ll vote republicans again. Because god and guns and controlling womens bodies is more important than not freezing to death, apparently. It’s just maddening.

[–]darkshrike 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Exactly this is a feature, not a bug.

[–]Prometheus_303 6 points7 points  (3 children)

But they sure stick their hands out for federal aid the second it fails. And it will fail again,

There was an article out on Ars Technica yesterday or maybe the day before discussing the better than not probability that the electric system will probably actually fail again with the winter storm hitting today... Basically a year later

[–]georgiegirl415 I voted 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yep. They’ve done nothing to fix the problem. More people will die and Abbott will blame it on Biden or wind turbines or some other lie they’ll pull out of their ass. Rinse and repeat.

[–]Prometheus_303 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yeah, got a kick out of last year when they tried to blame it on the wind turbines...

If you want me to believe that wind power is so super unreliable ... Why did you design your power grid in such a way that if the wind stops blowing, as they alleged, the entire state goes dark?

Also why do I occasionally see articles claiming Denmark or Germany or wherever managed to produce something like 120% of the power needs for the entire country from wind (and/or maybe solar) for that day/week/month?

Sure Texas is bigger than Germany, Denmark to probably. But that just means you have more land to put more turbines to help produce the additional power you need.

But if Denmark can produce enough power in the middle of their winter to power an entire country and a fifth of another... There is no reason Texas can't use wind and solar to keep their state warm to!

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    [–]LordofThe7s 51 points52 points  (7 children)

    It really cannot be overstated how much damage Reagan did to this country.

    Edit: corrected spelling. Apologies to Brian Regan for accidentally tying you to Iran-Contra.

    [–]w_a_w 45 points46 points  (0 children)

    Sadly, it would probably only take 1/10th of that budget to accomplish those things.

    [–]BeHard 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    Kentucky tried that. Got no traction. The Dem governor also tried to expand easy access to high-speed internet to the Appalacian coal areas. That was torn apart by the next Republican governor. Crabs in a bucket.

    [–]d_Composer 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Yeah, I guess I was being a tad bit too optimistic…

    [–]BeHard 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    It's not a bad idea, just something that would take a great deal of Federal assistance as you described. But breaking the mentality of many of these people to accept the help and receive assistance/education is likely the biggest hurdle.

    I grew up in KY and I know many of these people don't want to change and think they can live the way their previous generations had, which simply doesn't work anymore.

    [–]bitNation 50 points51 points  (8 children)

    I like the sentiment and here's the "buuut..." part only because I love WV:

    WV has like 10-11k people working in coal mines ( WV coal stats ) and there's a rather large tech area in North Central WV WV tech corridor. WVU has a great engineering school and there's Pierpont tech too. From Clarksburg to Morgantown, plenty of low cost options to transition into tech roles and make $100k/year easily in a LCOL area. No thanks to Manchin.

    [–]mOdQuArK 32 points33 points  (4 children)

    there's a rather large tech area in North Central WV WV tech corridor. WVU has a great engineering school and there's Pierpont tech too.

    All of which will probably be gerrymandered into one district to keep all the liberals in one place so they can't "contaminate" effective conservative control of the rest of the state...

    [–]CMLVIWest Virginia 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    You're not wrong, but you're not right. As far as reps go, it's a decent horizontal split. Huntington in one district, Charleston another, Morgantown and Wheeling a third. It won't matter, though, because we're dropping to two districts this year. North and South. North is going to be more D than the south is, just due to proximity to the larger cities of Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and DC.

    Getting into state legislature is a little harder. We are a red state pretty easily, and there aren't too many close races. Morgantown and Fairmont are grouped, weirdly, Charleston is split in two, but it just follows the river. The key D places, unsurprisingly, follow the interstate north to south. Pittsburgh through Morgantown to Charleston, then west to Huntington towards KY. Everywhere else is mostly red, although I'd say Wheeling in the northern panhandle and Martinsburg in the eastern panhandle are close. Martinsburg D lost by under 4% (less than 2k votes) and Wheeling D losy by about 6% (~2.5k votes).

    Larger issue is the population decline; people aren't leaving this state because it's too progressive. It's cause there is no opportunity for better jobs, and it feels like it's dying.

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        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

        Sadly, people would be more likely to get gay in a big pile so people from the future can’t destroy it because it’s less effort and “taxes” 😱 (even if it wouldn’t raise taxes).

        [–]LookingforDay 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        I love this idea but it would take generations to turn it around. We are full speed to idiocracy.

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          [–]reallyfasteddie 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          It feels like Marco Rubio saying, "He knows exactly what he is doing." Gotta have a guy like that fat bastard say about Trump, "He is gonna call people names and avoid the point, he has one move. Say stupid shit."

          [–]dwhite21787 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          cult of morons

          more like raccoons, smart enough to open trashcans but dumb enough to eat the contents

          [–]OgreLord_Shrek 13 points14 points  (6 children)

          Maybe covid has killed enough of them off to tip the scales a bit

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            [–]Polantaris 76 points77 points  (15 children)

            My father, less than ten years ago, would constantly tout his, "Let's just turn Russia into a parking lot!" gameplan, which obviously would never work but he'd never be in the position where it'd matter so rant on.

            Today? He loves Russia. He thinks Ukraine is evil and should submit to Russia. He wants to be allies with Russia.

            Don't forget that Russia has fundamentally not changed from the early 2010's. Not really since the collapse of the USSR and he didn't change his stance until way, way later.

            Republican propaganda has literally melted his brain into a facade of what it used to be.

            [–]articulett 23 points24 points  (7 children)

            I can’t tell Trump supporters from Kremlin propagandists. They spread the same misinformation and smear the same Americans. They seem to be doing the Kremlin’s divisive dirty work for free.

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              [–]Dienekes289 I voted 58 points59 points  (8 children)

              I had a "discussion" with my boomer parents the other day and my dad said something along the lines of "Dems care so much about Ukraine's border but don't care about ours". As if an army invasion is the exact same as some brown people coming into the country.

              I just wonder if they have an internal conflict going on: the grew up fearing Russia, etc... everything cold war right? Hell, we even went to Iraq and Afghanistan to "bring freedom and democracy around the world", right?But now that as you said the old KGB agent running the show that they also spent the better part of the last couple of decades realizing is a big threat. But now that a Democrat wants to honor international relations and stand with the little guy, somehow now they're pro-Russia?

              Everything from the right is so frustrating.

              [–]feraxks 23 points24 points  (3 children)

              I've always found it ironic that republican states are "red" states -- just like the "red" scare of communism. Now that they are Putin supporters, the circle is complete.

              [–]eyekwah2South Carolina 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              And they accuse the left of literal communism, don't forget that..

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                [–]Crathsor 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                That line about Ukraine was word-for-word from FOX.

                [–]Shaqtothefuture 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                They truly live in an alternate reality that borders on mental illness

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                  [–]relativeagency 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                  To be fair Putin is in practice an authoritarian kleptocrat, which is both a far cry from actual communism and also very similar to what the Republican party is trying to create/accelerate in the US.

                  [–]nickstatus 88 points89 points  (7 children)

                  This is tired. I see this comment nearly every day. Putin is not a communist. Russia is not communist. It hasn't been in decades. Russia is an authoritarian right-wing dictatorship. This is what they want for the US, that is why they all idolize Putin.

                  [–]CU_09 I voted 39 points40 points  (0 children)

                  Right. It isn’t, but nether is anything they label as “communism.” Marriage equality, progressive taxation, single-payer healthcare, teaching history in school—none of it is “communism.” The reason that smear is effective is because the Cold War ethos broke our country, so it’s very odd that people entrenched in that mentality would so openly praise a KGB officer.

                  [–]Mudders_Milk_Man 21 points22 points  (4 children)

                  True, but that doesn't mean Putin doesn't want to create a new Soviet Union. It would just be a far-Right, 'Christian' Nationalist flavor this time.

                  [–]SuruN0 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                  Purine rule isn’t particularly religious, and it’s main feature, like all right wing authoritarian countries, is capitalism and surrender to the oligarchs. A “New Soviet Union” is a meaningless comparison beyond “Big Russia”

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                      [–]MildlyInfuria8ing 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                      Former republican here, I want to comment this is, or at least was 5 years ago, not true. They are not pro Putin, as much as they are anti-democrat.

                      For an example, one of the most common cited images for this is the various shirts that say something to the tune of 'I'd rather vote for Putin than a Democrat'. There are variations of this, but basically that's what it boils down to. This isn't saying they LOVE Putin, it's saying they hate Democrats that much. It's mind numbingly stupid you know, but the 'Let's go Brandon' crowd isn't exactly known for their critical thinking and ability to reason out past their initial feelings and thoughts.

                      [–]swamp-ecology 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                      Five years ago was an eternity in these terms. Now granted, the average Republican voters probably has no strong personal opinion on Putin but the propaganda apparatus has undoubtedly swung in his favor and that is bound to form the collective soft opinion.

                      There's also the rather questionable actions of multiple Republican politicians, although what if any connection there may be remains an open question.

                      [–]badmathafacka 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                      Putin is a white, traditional male, so the right loves him.

                      ​

                      It's very odd seeing how Pro-Russia (one of our two main strategic enemies) conservatism is

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                        [–]seethinganimosity 48 points49 points  (18 children)

                        It's not doublethink, it's not thinking at all. It's lizard brain reflex. Patriot = good, Antifa = bad. Among friendlies, Capitol "Protest" good, us patriots did it. On the news, Capitol riots bad, Antifa did it.

                        [–]georgiegirl415 I voted 42 points43 points  (12 children)

                        It’s the “our enemy is stupid and weak and also strong, cunning and dangerous beyond measure!” Propaganda bullshit

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                          [–]oneplusetoipi 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                          I am sick and tired of reptiles getting accused of being that stupid.

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                            [–]NeverLookBothWays I voted 47 points48 points  (4 children)

                            And they never seem to put it all together.

                            That's actually more of their strategy than them being simply morons. Look at how effective it has been in the past 4 decades. By reducing everything into a circus, they create a playground where serious topics become a mockery and reality can no longer be trusted. That's the game being played, and it is insidious.

                            [–]Shonuff8Maryland 33 points34 points  (3 children)

                            Having a coherent message that stands up to scrutiny isn’t the goal. They are flooding the narrative with a “firehose of falsehoods” strategy, and the goal is to get people to doubt there IS a true story.

                            [–]ting_bu_dong 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                            And they never seem to put it all together.

                            Well, I mean, they're not making up bullshit excuses in order to try and find the truth.

                            They don't want to put it all together. Putting it all together means they are wrong. Putting it all together means they lose.

                            [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                            And he's out there again, trying to get what's left of his mob to attack Washington again. He's going to get law-abiding citizens and representatives murdered.

                            [–]georgiegirl415 I voted 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                            That’s the goal. And then they’ll blame “Antifa” for it.

                            [–]phantomreader42 20 points21 points  (14 children)

                            Like, how little critical thinking skills you’d need to say “hey! Wait a minute!” And these people lack even that. Cult of morons.

                            The official dogma of the rethuglican cult is openly opposed to the very concept of critical thinking.

                            [–]georgiegirl415 I voted 31 points32 points  (13 children)

                            Yep. It’s also why religious people tend to be republicans. They’re already primed to believe whatever those in charge tell them to. Without question, because you don’t question those in power.

                            And then, without a hint of irony, they’ll call everyone else “sheep”. It’s almost impressive, the cognitive dissonance.

                            [–]Jon_Hanson 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                            Not to mention that QAnon’s motto is “where we go one, we go all.” It would be shorter to just say “baaaa.”

                            [–]originaltec 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                            It’s really quite simple, the pseudo “Christian” Religion in the US has extensively laid the groundwork for generations to train people to believe in authority figures with unverifiable stories instead of science and data. It also primes them for, and is built upon, perpetuating racism and fearmongering towards "others". Once people see you as an authority, you can start fabricating any reality or conspiracy theory you want your followers to believe and everyone else is therefore a liar, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. This “religion” combined with an intentionally weakened public educational system, provides the framework that has spawned this cult of ignorance. Basically, it is mental abuse from an early age that suppresses critical thinking skills.

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                              [–]HauntedCemeteryMinnesota 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                              Because they actually support overthrowing American democracy and installing a bronzered man child as dictator. They support people attacking the capital, they support them hunting mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi. They absolutely love that. But they also have enough shreds of self realization left to know that makes them look very, very bad. So they deny it, but not coherently or with any real conviction.

                              [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                              It's not exhausting, it's simple.
                              People who doublespeak really don't care if it makes sense. They aren't aiming for any kind of truth, just the correct combination of words to fluster people they disagree and encourage others who are on their side.

                              [–]MesWantooth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                              I saw this first hand when this journalist was interviewing people at a fairly recent pro-Trump rally...The journalist asked an attendant about Jan 6 and in the span of 45 seconds she said "It was antifa and the FBI, no true Trump supporters were there." Journalist said "But that's not true, documented Trump supporters are in jail, they asked for pardons." and she responded "Yeah on fake charges, it was a peaceful rally."

                              Okay lady, which is it- there weren't Trump supporters there or there were but it was peaceful? Answer: "Both, neither, it doesn't matter, Make America Great Again!"

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                                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                They will never. EVER. Stop and say wait a minute. They know they're full of shit and deep down, they know their psychy would break if they ever had to admit it.

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                                  [–]LeahaP1013 214 points215 points  (71 children)

                                  The mystery of all mysteries.

                                  [–]__M-E-O-W__ 161 points162 points  (65 children)

                                  They were good old fashioned American patriots who, right before beating up a police officer or invading the chambers, temporarily got possessed by evil interdimensional beings summoned by the Democrats via their baby blood ritual sacrifices, but the Democrats power is weakening so they were only able to possess our good Americans for the exact amount of time it took to commit one felony. All the other times that they weren't breaking the law, they were Republicans.

                                  [–]Relative_Anybody8389 60 points61 points  (23 children)

                                  What are you talking about, do you know how much mana it would cost to individually possess each person with a separate being? Clearly they used the DARPA mind control ray.

                                  [–]DTsniffsIvankasfartsOhio 63 points64 points  (16 children)

                                  It's a little known fact the Jewish Space Lasers used to warm the planet also have a mind control setting.

                                  [–]__M-E-O-W__ 27 points28 points  (0 children)

                                  It's all coming together...

                                  [–]oced2001 25 points26 points  (6 children)

                                  Is that the same Jewish space laser they cranked up to 11 to start the California wildfires to make Trump look bad?

                                  [–]pinktinkpixy 29 points30 points  (3 children)

                                  Our fires were due to a lack of vacuuming / sweeping in the forests. At least, that's the Tangerine Toddler's professional expert opinion.

                                  [–]oced2001 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                  What? So MTG lied about that? I'm shocked

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                                    [–]DTsniffsIvankasfartsOhio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                    The same one. It was also used in a clandestine lab in Wuhan to help accelerate the spread of the George Soros funded hoax/super duper AOC underwritten bioweapon Covid 19.

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                                        [–]bruce_lees_ghost 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                                        Srsly, babies don’t grow on trees and that ritual takes like SO MUCH blood.

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                                          [–]oced2001 16 points17 points  (8 children)

                                          Bullshit. The baby blood is used to keep the Hollywood elite young looking. Everyone knows that.

                                          The abortions that the librul doctors perform is part of the ritual to summon inter dimensional beings.

                                          Do some research.

                                          [–]bigsignwave 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                          Don’t forget the demons and child molesters in the pizza shop basement

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                                              [–]underpants-gnomeOhio 39 points40 points  (0 children)

                                              I've seen some compilations of right wingers' tweets posted where you can see their stances changing in real time as the insurrection progressed and press coverage + cell phone footage became more damning throughout the day.

                                              Charlie Kirk started off January 6th bragging about how his organization funded 80 bus loads of people to get to DC for the protest. By the end of the day he was labeling everyone involved as Antifa and trying to delete his earlier tweets.

                                              Kevin Sorbo had some similar crap - over the course of 3-4 hours his tweets rapidly progressed from singing the praises of the "hero" protesters to damning them as secret BLM loving Dems.

                                              [–]BloomsdayDeviceWashington 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                                              What are you, a series of Kevin Sorbo tweets?

                                              [–]ReflexImprov 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                              If only the truth was on hours and hours of video...

                                              [–]soopafly 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                                              That didn't happen.
                                              And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
                                              And if it was, that's not a big deal.
                                              And if it is, that's not my fault.
                                              And if it was, I didn't mean it.
                                              And if I did, you deserved it.

                                              [–]relativeagency 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                              These don't even have to be used in this exact order anymore. Think of it like a 6-sided die. Roll the 1D6 and get your talking point of the day.

                                              [–]PM_ME_YOUR_ROTESMissouri 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                              If only we'd all been watching it transpire live with multiple recordings being made, some of them by the people involved with self-admitted motives, that could be reviewed later... Missed opportunity that one!

                                              [–]twentyafterfour 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                              You're forgetting that Ray Epps existed. He mentioned storming the capitol and people immediately called him a fed who could not be trusted. And because they aren't sheep who would blindly follow the orders of some random guy they knew was a fed, they then did exactly that due to tactical double reverse psychology, proving that this was just an fbi false flag.

                                              Technically speaking though, if president trump counted as a fed at the time I guess they are kind of right.

                                              [–]Relative_Anybody8389 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                                              The double standard is infuriating. The man tried to dissolve your democracy, why are you (Americans, I mean) so obsessed with propriety at this stage? There's taking the high road and then there's having your head in the clouds...

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                                                [–]lukin187250 149 points150 points  (5 children)

                                                It's actual 1984 doublethink. Those people in prison are all at once both Antifa and MAGA patriots, whatever they need to be, in the moment. If that seems really weird to you it's because you're not a fascist authoritarian who has adopted doublethink.

                                                [–]Reduntu 31 points32 points  (0 children)

                                                Yep, words have no meaning to fascists. Nothing wrong with them being antifa some moments and patriots in need of pardons a minute later.

                                                [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                                                Just like Mexicans are both lazy and taking their jobs. Look, if you can make a better taco than Juan by all means open up that taco truck and I'll be first in line.

                                                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                Schrödinger politics.

                                                quantum world problems

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                                                  [–]sageleader 117 points118 points  (17 children)

                                                  Sometimes I think they throw as much bullshit out as possible so that dumb people can be like "we really don't know what happened, there is too much out there"

                                                  [–]leggpurnell 97 points98 points  (9 children)

                                                  It’s called gish gallop, and it’s very much intentional.

                                                  [–]omniwombatius 92 points93 points  (7 children)

                                                  That's for one person talking about one topic. This is the Firehose of falsehood. Still 100% intentional.

                                                  [–]pheasant-plucker 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                                                  Here's the current UK PM explaining how he uses this strategy:

                                                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60159228

                                                  [–]rechnen 27 points28 points  (1 child)

                                                  "The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit."

                                                  -Steve bannon, CEO of Trump's 2016 campaign, Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor to President Trump

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                                                        [–]MrDanTi 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                                                        Means when they say "do your own research", it's really hard to do because there's so much nonsense

                                                        [–]ShameNap 51 points52 points  (3 children)

                                                        Sometimes ? That seems to be their modus operandi for the last 6 years.

                                                        [–]Bob_Lawblaw72 39 points40 points  (2 children)

                                                        The last 60 years.

                                                        [–]HauntedCemeteryMinnesota 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                                                        It's legitimately why they built right wing mass media.

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                                                          [–]LeahaP1013 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                          Is that you, Susan collins ? :)

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                                                            [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (4 children)

                                                            I asked my grandmother this exact question and she said "he just doesn't know". These people are truly hopeless, and nothing anyone says will let them admit that they are wrong.

                                                            [–]techmaster242 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                                                            "he just doesn't know"

                                                            Well admitting that he doesn't know anything is a big step forward.

                                                            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                                                            I don't know why but for some reason that exonerates him of any wrongdoings in her eyes. I can't say anything bad about Trump without her bringing up Biden, can't say anything bad about the Trump Organization without her bringing up the Clinton foundation, can't say a Republican is bad without her comparing them to Nancy Pelosi, or Adam, AOC etc ... Because if history is a thing that apparently excuses everything.

                                                            I could go on with her bullshit there's just no hope for her

                                                            [–]NeverLookBothWays I voted 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                                                            They're Schrodinger's insurrectionists. They're antifa Soros paid transgender immigrants until observed.

                                                            [–]valeyard89Texas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                            That is because Trump is deep dish state Antifa plant...

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                                                              [–]Successful-Bee-2492[S] 1925 points1926 points  (156 children)

                                                              « “If this violence against the Capitol wasn’t part of the plan, or wasn’t something he condoned, then why would he consider pardoning them?” the California Democrat asked. »

                                                              [–]theaceoffireMaryland 897 points898 points  (12 children)

                                                              Also, the bit where he admitted guilt during the same speech might be important. Just saying.

                                                              It was phrased like "They didn't help me overturn the election enough", but it was pretty obvious.

                                                              [–]Fred_EvilFlorida 29 points30 points  (3 children)

                                                              Will no one rid* me of this turbulent Electoral College?

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                                                                [–]PoissonPen 158 points159 points  (63 children)

                                                                He's letting his brownshirts know he'll pardon em if they help again.

                                                                [–]SentientPotato2020 36 points37 points  (43 children)

                                                                He's priming the pump for his next coup attempt. Hopefully this time National Guard will show up locked and loaded.

                                                                [–]Octopus_ofthe_Desert 19 points20 points  (38 children)

                                                                I was horrified when I saw them actually charge the Capitol.

                                                                They'd been talking about it for months... I wasn't sure they'd actually do anything other than bleat loudly outside.

                                                                When they started climbing walls and damaging property, I fully expected to see dozens of people cut down by gunfire.

                                                                I'm happy there wasn't massive bloodshed that day. That woman who got shot in the throat? Made me so sad.

                                                                [–]SentientPotato2020 65 points66 points  (5 children)

                                                                The lack of bloodshed that day is what's left them all emboldened to keep acting like this.

                                                                Cops kill black men for nothing all the time in the states. I wonder why the capitol police didn't have the same reaction to these guys?

                                                                [–]K1FF3N 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                Straight up. Our Nation didn’t cull the slave-owners and this is what we get from it. Can we even avoid bloodshed at this point? I would have been a lot happier if we saw capital punishment from raiding the capitol.

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                                                                  [–]DayvyT 37 points38 points  (17 children)

                                                                  So I'm probably going to sound like an insensitive Dbag here, but it didn't make me sad at all. If you read anything about that woman's backstory, quite frankly the world is better off without her in it

                                                                  [–]Smurf_Cherries 8 points9 points  (11 children)

                                                                  They had had rallies leading up to this where only a dozen or so people show up. I was joking Jan 6 would be like that was well.

                                                                  A coworker had to tell me thousands of people were storming the capital. I couldn't believe it.

                                                                  [–]at_zack 14 points15 points  (5 children)

                                                                  I hate to make the comparison, but for a few minutes it felt like 9/11 all over again. Just hearing "storming the capital" was so outlandish, like hearing "another plane crashed into a tower".

                                                                  [–]Octopus_ofthe_Desert 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                                                                  Flashback.

                                                                  I was 11 years old? My insane mother comes bursting into my room the morning of 9/11, saying, "they're blowing everything up! Everything's exploding!"

                                                                  My first thought was nuclear war.

                                                                  [–]Octopus_ofthe_Desert 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                                                  I may be misremembering, but wasn't there a Republican figure who flew people there? Subsidized their travel somehow?

                                                                  [–]Smurf_Cherries 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                                  The heiress of Publix paid for most of the travel.

                                                                  The grocery chain immediately tried to distance themselves from her.

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                                                                            [–]AnticPosition 51 points52 points  (31 children)

                                                                            "if this is so important, then why the fuck is nothing ever going to happen to these people?" everyone who cares and pays attention asked.

                                                                            [–]Cloaked42mSouth Carolina 22 points23 points  (30 children)

                                                                            Over 800 of them have been found guilty already.

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                                                                              [–][deleted] 908 points909 points  (31 children)

                                                                              "Don't let me get arrested or barred from office because if you do I can't pardon you for your crimes."

                                                                              [–]WORSE_THAN_HORSES 338 points339 points  (13 children)

                                                                              “Commit more crimes of terrorism for me and I’ll just pardon you when I’m elected again.”

                                                                              [–]DredPRoberts 269 points270 points  (10 children)

                                                                              Slowly takes out box of Trump era memories. Dusts it off and rummages thru it

                                                                              "knock the hell out of these protestors and I'll pay for your legal fees, I promise."

                                                                              Straight up incitement to violence ignored because he's rich/president.

                                                                              Puts box aways and kicks it under the bed hopefully to be forgotten forever

                                                                              [–]myfapaccount_istaken I voted 64 points65 points  (4 children)

                                                                              Puts box aways and kicks it under the bed hopefully to be forgotten forever

                                                                              Narrator: it wasn't

                                                                              [–]HauntedCemeteryMinnesota 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                              Caption: The Next Day

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                                                                                    [–]UglyWanKanobi 36 points37 points  (5 children)

                                                                                    I mean Moscow Mitch literally just said he doesn’t think insurrectionists who pled guilty should be pardoned.

                                                                                    In other words maintain omertà and we’ll look after you.

                                                                                    [–]relativeagency 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                                                                                    Lindsay Graham said he thinks it would be "inappropriate" to pardon them (understatement of the century) and Trump has already called him a RINO for it.

                                                                                    This is actually very good for the not-thrilled-about-fascism people amongst us. It's looking like this is still a bridge too far for some GOPs, at least for the time being, and it's creating yet another rift on top of the Trump-got-the-vax-and-says-it's-actually-kinda-chill rift.

                                                                                    [–]JohnnyWaffleseed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    Yep the insurrectionists shouldn’t have explicitly mentioned killing republican representatives on 1/6. It slightly hurt their support amongst the Republican congresspersons.

                                                                                    [–]Raptorex27Maine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    Trust me, when the rubber meets the road and it comes time to vote again for the conviction and removal of future President Trump's future incitement of violence, Mitch and Lindsay will suddenly change their tune. It's one of the great constants in life.

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                                                                                      [–]at_zack 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                                                                                      "If you ty harder and actually succeed next time there won't be any negative consequences."

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                                                                                        [–]c4virus 556 points557 points  (41 children)

                                                                                        I hate the fact that this idiot said, with a straight face, "I am the law and order President"

                                                                                        And then he ran a rampant shit show for 4 years and is now promising more and ~40% of Americans love it.

                                                                                        This country is stupid.

                                                                                        [–]joke_LA 167 points168 points  (8 children)

                                                                                        I am your President of law and order and an ally of all peaceful protesters.

                                                                                        - Donald Trump, June 1, 2020

                                                                                        Spoken while literally within earshot of the flashbangs and tear gas grenades going off as police removed the crowd of lawfully assembled peaceful protesters from a public square and a church.

                                                                                        [–]redmoskeeto 46 points47 points  (1 child)

                                                                                        I wouldn’t believe it was realistic if I’d read that scene in a novel.

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                                                                                          [–]Kidiri90 119 points120 points  (8 children)

                                                                                          "I am the law and order President"

                                                                                          Well he is. Because "law and order" is a racist dog whistle.

                                                                                          [–]Fantastic-Sandwich80 63 points64 points  (1 child)

                                                                                          Yep.

                                                                                          Law and Order is just code for ramping up the harrasment, arrest and convictions of POC in their area.

                                                                                          [–]rmsayboltonwasframed 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                                                                                          Political dissidents, too. Harder to find those just by looking them, though, so POC generally bear the brunt.

                                                                                          It's also a dog whistle in opposition to criminal justice reform or showing any sort of nuance in policy.

                                                                                          Anytime someone mentions law and order, I assume they are incredibly dumb, gullible, racist, or some combination of the three.

                                                                                          [–]EpicLegendX 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                                                          They call it "law and order" because it is a dogwhistle, that quote doesn't convey the true intentions behind its meaning. In reality, politicians that campaign on that dogma really mean that they want law without justice, and order without peace. But therein lies the danger behind the deceptive quote, for anyone who takes issue with politicians campaigning on "law and order" would be vilified as someone in favor of anarchy and chaos.

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                                                                                            [–]AffordableFirepower 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                                                                                            He just meant he watches a lot of Law & Order.

                                                                                            [–]Meta_Art 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                                            I doubt it. He lacks the attention span. That’s why he like cable news; everything is packaged in short little stories

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                                                                                                [–]Texastexastexas1 108 points109 points  (5 children)

                                                                                                It's important because he is telling anyone for the FUTURE that he will pardon them if he cals them up for a civil war.

                                                                                                [–]StarksPond 27 points28 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                "Peacefully" calls for a civil war.

                                                                                                [–]Adventurous_Whale 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                With how much he has radicalized far-right conservatives, does he not think about the obvious risk he is posing for himself in the long term as far-left liberals get to a breaking point? I don't think he desires to actually be a martyr because he doesn't have any firm ideology outside of self-preservation. Conservatives have been blatantly lied to for so long that it led to these far-right extremist situations. Seeing the reality of these lies, primarily perpetuated by Trump himself, seems only natural to result in an extremist action from someone who perceives Trump as the absolute root cause. The man is a fucking idiot.

                                                                                                [–]Scrandon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                We can only hope this fuck dies one way or another very soon.

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                                                                                                    [–]futanari_kaisa 516 points517 points  (29 children)

                                                                                                    Meanwhile if you go on conservative media, the talking heads are complaining that those terrorists are being held without bail awaiting trial or sentencing and that's wrong because they didn't really do anything wrong except for breaking into the building attacking cops looking for democrats to murder.

                                                                                                    [–]RickDodeo I voted 175 points176 points  (24 children)

                                                                                                    And the Vice President!

                                                                                                    [–]ScottColvin 63 points64 points  (19 children)

                                                                                                    Thank you Mike pence for not dooming our democracy? That is so weird to say.

                                                                                                    [–]GtheH 64 points65 points  (16 children)

                                                                                                    Don’t give him too much credit. He only didn’t because he literally wasn’t able to.

                                                                                                    [–]Fearlessleader85 40 points41 points  (6 children)

                                                                                                    That's not really true. On paper, sure, it's completely illegal for the VP to even try to overturn the election.

                                                                                                    But here's a secret about paper: it burns very easily and isn't very good at fighting back.

                                                                                                    Law only exists if real breathing people uphold it.

                                                                                                    Mike Pence could have said, "Fuck this, Trump stays." And it would have been directly against our constitution and laws, but it would have taken a fight. And if no one took up the fight against them, they would have won.

                                                                                                    [–]Moral_AnarchistGeorgia 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                    As an example unconnected to anything...

                                                                                                    This is exactly what happened in Game of Thrones when King Robert signed his letter basically calling for Queen Cersei to be arrested and for Ned to be made the Hand and Regent in the king's place and hunt down those who wished harm to the King.

                                                                                                    When the King died Ned took the paper that the king wrote this on and signed and when he gave it to Queen Cersei she just threw it in the fire and said "Nope." and had Ned arrested and everything went bad because all of the people just went with the status quo.

                                                                                                    Absolutely not legally able to do that, but she did anyway and the rest is history.

                                                                                                    I could totally see Pence saying "Nope" and most people just letting it happen. Totally.

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                                                                                                      [–]wrongtester 29 points30 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                      I wish more people would point that out instead of giving him credit. The guy is a snake piece of shit

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                                                                                                            [–]jadrad 51 points52 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                            The same conservative media propagandists who were calling those Capitol terrorists Antifa on January 6.

                                                                                                            [–]pliney_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                            The same people who don’t give a fuck about the thousands of poor people in jail every day awaiting trial for minor crimes because they can’t afford a few hundred dollars in bail.

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                                                                                                              [–]Shaabloips 289 points290 points  (7 children)

                                                                                                              Why does Trump want to pardon Antifa and BLM??? Makes NO damn sense!

                                                                                                              [–]okhi2u 41 points42 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                              Trump is secretly an antifa and BLM member, maybe they should stop following him? /s

                                                                                                              [–]Kalaxi50 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                              The Deep State goes all the way to the top!! /s

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                                                                                                                [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                                That statement will also potentially encourage supporters to engage in such activities in the future if they truly believe he will win again or be "reinstated" and pardon them.

                                                                                                                [–]StallionCannonTexas 28 points29 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                That's part of the point. "Go do another coup for me, and I'll make the consequences just vanish into thin air once you give me what I want."

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                                                                                                                  [–]Adrewmc 99 points100 points  (4 children)

                                                                                                                  Wake me up when it’s important enough evidence to arrest him for sedition.

                                                                                                                  [–]swinging-in-the-rain 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                  Don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to catch up on your beauty sleep.

                                                                                                                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                  Came here to say exactly that. I rarely ever click on these articles anymore because it NEVER leads anywhere. Just gets added to the pile and buried.

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                                                                                                                    [–][deleted] 122 points123 points  (20 children)

                                                                                                                    Trump is too stupid to understand that pardons are for those who are found guilty of a crime, so saying they will get pardons means he agrees they committed the crimes.

                                                                                                                    [–]Lighting 48 points49 points  (5 children)

                                                                                                                    Maricopa Sheriff accepted it and then ran for office.

                                                                                                                    [–]DiarygirlPennsylvania 11 points12 points  (4 children)

                                                                                                                    But lost, right?

                                                                                                                    [–]Lighting 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                                    Yes.

                                                                                                                    [–]DiarygirlPennsylvania 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                                    Oh good.

                                                                                                                    [–]Gingevere 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                    In any sane world a mob would carry Arpaio out of town, place a boulder on his legs and leave him for the buzzards.

                                                                                                                    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                    First, Trump literally doesn’t care if they committed crimes or not

                                                                                                                    And second, pardoning them would be his way of saying they didn’t commit a crime.

                                                                                                                    He 100% understands what a pardon does and what offering them could do for his base.

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                                                                                                                      [–]IllSubstance6531 132 points133 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                                      Witness tampering and intimidation is exactly what this is. It would also fall under RICO as well. He is using and portraying the republicans party as a crime syndicate.

                                                                                                                      [–]DigNitty 27 points28 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                      My word, he’s portraying the GOP as a Crime Syndicate???

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                                                                                                                        [–]malakon 37 points38 points  (6 children)

                                                                                                                        It is. all of it is. both impeachments had such important evidence.

                                                                                                                        Now somehow make it turn into a conviction. Ideally before 2022 or 24.

                                                                                                                        Not blaming you Adam. If Dems had had the senate back then .. different story ..

                                                                                                                        [–]Cloaked42mSouth Carolina 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                                                                                                                        Except a "Not Guilty" vote on impeachment doesn't actually mean "not guilty". It just means you weren't willing to remove the President from office over it.

                                                                                                                        [–]malakon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                        Yeah but Trump claimed impeachment-fail as complete vindication, so did his base.

                                                                                                                        And because of that the whole thing was fake-news-witch-hunt-very-mean.

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                                                                                                                          [–]The_Nomadic_Nerd 173 points174 points  (37 children)

                                                                                                                          Just fucking charge him already. He admits to crimes on TV. Have a set of prosecutors for each crime and keep hiring new ones as he creates new crimes. I'm so sick of Dems saying that he's close to being charged, only to eventually say "we don't control congress anymore. There's nothing we can do. However, if you vote for us in the next election..."

                                                                                                                          [–]chiliedogg 107 points108 points  (23 children)

                                                                                                                          He isn't the motherfucking President anymore. The DOJ 100% can bring obstruction charges based on the Mueller probe's evidence alone. It's already assembled and vetted, and written in a manner that clearly states the only reason he wasn't being charged was because he was President.

                                                                                                                          Instead they're gonna sit on their asses waiting on unnecessary congressional action until the statutes of limitations on his crimes expire.

                                                                                                                          [–]Enunimes 14 points15 points  (6 children)

                                                                                                                          The fuck are you bringing "dems" and congress up for? They aren't the fucking DoJ, congress cant do jack shit, even the committee has no actual power when they're done beyond releasing a report.

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                                                                                                                            [–]ASilentPartner 62 points63 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                                            K then do something about it

                                                                                                                            [–]slabby 98 points99 points  (22 children)

                                                                                                                            Great, now take this evidence and actually do something with it. I feel like we're constantly talking about how screwed Trump is, but nobody is taking action on it. Law enforcement is harsher on a guy with a joint during a traffic stop than the guy who tried to overthrow the United States government.

                                                                                                                            [–]DarrenEdwards 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                            For 70 some years every single fucking person who could do something about Donald Trump has been, "Somebody should do something about Donald Trump."

                                                                                                                            [–]NedRyerson_Insurance 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                                            Exactly. How much very important evidence does it take to to recommend charges? Is there enough for a single strong conviction? If so, get it filed, get it going, and block him from ever holding office. Waiting longer only lets him go incite more hate and violence.

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                                                                                                                              [–]jrf_1973 12 points13 points  (16 children)

                                                                                                                              How much more evidence do you need? Seriously.

                                                                                                                              [–]GetBent4Real 9 points10 points  (7 children)

                                                                                                                              This motherfucker (trump) has weaponized the legal system his entire life to bury people, contractors, ex-wives, business partners, and state and local governments under a blizzard of paperwork and obfuscation to get what he wants through attrition.

                                                                                                                              I don’t care if he’s ever convicted.

                                                                                                                              But I want the DOJ and every federal, state, and local prosecutor to file so many lawsuits against this asshole, his companies, and his family members that they spend every dollar and all their time, and the rest of their lives, fending off the wolves relentlessly pursuing them and scrutinizing every decision they make under a microscope for even more charges.

                                                                                                                              Drive them into bankruptcy by making any business association with them so legally toxic and risky (hint: it already is) that not even Russian and Saudi oligarchs will touch them.

                                                                                                                              [–]UnitaryWarringtonCatLouisiana 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              “They go to his intent,” Schiff continued. “If this violence against the Capitol wasn’t part of the plan, or wasn’t something he condoned, then why would he consider pardoning them?”

                                                                                                                              The only reason he didn't pardon them when he was still president was because he was pissed they failed him. Should he win (god help us) he still won't pardon them. Narcissists never forgive, and never forget those that fail them.

                                                                                                                              I hope Justice is investigating, but I am losing hope.

                                                                                                                              [–]Best_Biscuits 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                                                                                                                              Sadly, Trump's intent to overthrow a legal and fair election only seems to matter to about 1/2 of the country. And, intent really-really only matters if Trump is pursued criminally, which I'm not confident is going to happen. Where the fuck is Merrick Garland?

                                                                                                                              [–]Beemerado 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              get this fuckin guy in jail. on anything.

                                                                                                                              they didn't get al capone for murder or racketeering or whatever, they got him on taxes. pick the low hanging fruit. lock him up for 5 years and that's all that needs to happen.

                                                                                                                              [–]TintedApostle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              If I came out and did this as a citizen I would be arrested - Yesterday.

                                                                                                                              Trump is a citizen now. Follow the concept.

                                                                                                                              [–]Droziki 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              (b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to— (1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding; (2) cause or induce any person to— (A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding; (B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; (C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or (D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or (3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings; shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

                                                                                                                              [–]DenverILove9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              trump has publicly admitted to numerous crimes, so what is taking so long to charge him?

                                                                                                                              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              2057: Adam Schiff Explains Why President Cyborg Trump is Definitely Fucked This Time

                                                                                                                              [–]scar_as_scoot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              Even more evidence? You have all the evidence you need and then some. Clearly the dude is above the law. It became apparent to everyone how broken the whole system is and this sets a terrible precedent for someone more capable with terrible intentions on a near future to take advantage of.

                                                                                                                              [–]Aztecah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              I love this guy. He might be my favorite American politician right now. I hope Schiff continues to serve the country well and finds more prestigious positions throughout his career.

                                                                                                                              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              So that’s a clear violation of the 14th amendment, section 3. He gave comfort to an insurrection after previously taking an oath to uphold the Constitution as president elect. He is now ineligible to run for president or hold any civil or military office. The only way to reverse this is a 2/3’s majority vote from both houses to remove this provision from an individual.

                                                                                                                              If anyone in government decided to grow a backbone, they would be screaming this from the rooftops. The Democrats have the body in the coffin, hammer raised, but they keep missing the fucking nails because doing nothing is seemingly a more pressing issue right now.

                                                                                                                              [–]mgswarbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                                                                                                                              There’s a history of republiKKKlan presidents pardoning republiKKKlan criminals!

                                                                                                                              [–]ShineParty 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                                                                                                                              Where’s the headline which says “Trump FINALLY in Jail”?

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