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GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super Review Megathread
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Nvidia claimed a 10% increase of the previous model and we did achieve mostly that in our testing, with some slightly lower than quoted. Its obvious this card easily surpasses the original model at the same price and its really close to the original RTX 4080 performance point at significantly less than MSRP for the RTX 4080. This will change soon with the upcoming launch of the RTX 4080 SUPER at its lowered price point of $999.00.
The real decision for gamers, in our opinion, looking for a card at this level is looking for a used RTX 4080 or something at this similar price. If you are looking for a new card that can compete with the RTX 4080 for lower entry cost then this is a good choice.
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So I’m going to admit. That was painful. When looking at performance and analysing the point of our content, it’s easy to get excited when we see an evolutionary jump, but that’s not the case here. It’s slightly faster, and I’m talking marginally.
When you look at the specifications, this new graphics card is better in every way. There are higher core counts, there are more RT and Tensor cores, there’s more VRAM, the clock speeds are up, and really, that should be an indication of a pretty potent performance boost. However, from our pretty extensive testing, that’s not really what we see in the real world. It’s a little bit better, but does it feel like an upgrade? Not really, if I’m being honest. More VRAM is nice and does improve the 1% lows, but not as much as the fanatics in the internet comment sections would have you believe it would have.
DLSS and other technologies should have seen a boost too, but in games like Cyberpunk and Hogwarts Legacy, some were up, some were down, and some were about the same, so it is splitting hairs on whether this is better or not. Not that there’s anything wrong with the performance though, it’s still largely a very great card, the performance is fantastic, but it just feels like something may be missing. I hope and honestly largely expect that this will improve with a few driver updates, as things always do. I suspect in a few weeks or a couple of months, the Super variants will have a bigger lead on the non-Super cards they are replacing.
What I do like about both the Gigabyte and INNO3D cards is the cooler upgrades. Gigabyte has honed its Windforce designs over the years, and INNO3D has a great-looking product too with a 2-slot form factor. Having a premium quality cooler on this chipset showed that it can run nice and cool and quiet, while still delivering great performance overall.
So overall, the 4070 Ti SUPER can be taken one of two ways. If you’re already rocking a 4070 Ti, then there is no reason to change to a Ti SUPER, and if you want more performance then you need to be looking at 4080 levels or above, but even then I’d personally wait for the 4080 SUPER to see what that brings, though I fear it could be the same levels as what we saw today. If however, you’re on something older and your heart was set on a 4070 Ti, then obviously it makes sense to pay the same, and get a 4070 Ti SUPER, though I’d seriously be questioning how much extra performance you’re going to be gaining over what you already have.
Guru3D
The data speaks for itself, key factors here are gaming performance and rendering quality. Indeed, the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER offers better value for money compared to the 4080. This card is approaching the raw performance required for gaming at 4K resolution. It caters specifically to enthusiast gamers who typically use monitors with UWHD, QHD, or UHD resolutions, making it an ideal choice for that demographic. The rasterizer engine in the RTX 40 series significantly surpasses the performance capabilities of its predecessors. This series introduces a new generation of more potent Ray tracing and Tensor cores. Raw counts of RT and Tensor cores are not the sole indicators of performance; rather, the effectiveness of each unit is key. These cores are positioned near the shader engine, enhancing their efficiency, a fact that is evident in their performance. While Tensor cores' impact is more challenging to quantify, the impressive results observed, especially with DLSS3, indicate their robust performance. The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti demonstrates its strength across various resolutions, performing effectively from 2K (2560x1440) to 4K (3840x2160).
Overall the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER delivers a robust gaming experience, and when comparing it directly to similar GPUs, it surpasses the performance range of the 3090 Ti and is close to the RTX 4080, with some variability. In a broader context, when comparing it to other GPUs like the Radeon RX 6950 XT and 7900 XT/XTX, a complex decision-making process ensues. The choice between the 4070 Ti SUPER and 7900 XTX hinges on several factors. The RTX 4070 Ti SUPER excels in ray tracing performance and boasts the added benefit of DLSS3/3.5 and at many levels is on par with more than 3090 cards. Looking at Team Red the 7900 XT exhibits a slight advantage in rasterizer engine performance, supported by its additional L3 cache. The 16GB of VRAM offered by the 4070 Ti SUPER is sufficient for most current titles, especially when playing at Ultra HD resolutions. Powered by the ADA GPU architecture, this card delivers precision and competence in gaming. The substantial increase in shader cores translates to nearly 1.5 times the raw shader performance, resulting in faster ray tracing and improved Tensor core performance. Underlying technologies such as Shader Execution Reordering (SER) and DLSS 3 contribute to the excellence of the new product and the Series 4000 overall. In conclusion, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER leaves a notable impression and is sure to please gamers, but it comes at a considerable cost. Despite its commendable performance-per-watt ratio, its energy consumption levels remain relatively high. This graphics card is capable of handling Ultra HD gaming smoothly, particularly when enhanced with DLSS3 / Frame generation, and offers the possibility of a moderate overclock. The TUF Gaming version of the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER offers an appealing choice for users who value a quiet performance and visual appeal in their PC gaming setup. The model we tested today, which is the non-overclocked (nonOC) version, is priced at the manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $799 for retail purchase.
Hot Hardware
At this point, NVIDIA’s blueprint with the GeForce RTX 40 SUPER series is clear – boost performance at similar (or lower) introductory prices, to enhance the overall value of the line-up. The ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER arrives at the same $799 price point of its predecessor, but offers more cores, more video memory, and ultimately more performance across every workload. The ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER can’t quite catch the GeForce RTX 4080, bit it comes close in many tests, for a couple of hundred bucks less.
With recent price cuts, the Radeon RX 7900 XT is being offered for about $710. Looking back through the numbers, that price adjustment is just about in-line with its performance relative to the ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER if you factor in ray tracing. In games that don’t make extensive use of ray tracing and mostly rely on traditional rasterization techniques, the Radeon RX 7900 XT may pull ahead of the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER. Today’s GPUs are about much more than gaming, however. Looking at the content creation, rendering, and other compute tests and the ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER outpaces the Radeons.
Ultimately the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER represents additional value for gamers and creators. It arrives at the same price point as its predecessor, but effectively offers more of everything. If you’ve got the budget and are looking for a GPU its price category, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER is the card to beat right now, and ASUS’ TUF model ticks many of the right boxes.
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The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super is an excellent card in WQHD when it comes to the highest frame rates and is also quite suitable for Ultra HD. At the latest then, however, you will have to think about smart upscaling in places and this is where DLSS and frame generation come into play. Meanwhile, games such as “The Last of Us Part 1” (TLOU) look subjectively even better in Ultra HD with DLSS than native Ultra HD. This is where NVIDIA can really play to its advantages, which DLSS 2.x and, above all, DLSS 3.5 also offer in purely visual terms.
However, if a game also supports frame generation and you would still be bobbing around in the less playable FPS range even with super sampling, then this can even be a lifeline to good playability. You can’t improve the latency with it, but not every genre is as latency-bound as various shooters. I would have really liked DLSS 3.5 for TLOU, but you can’t have everything. From this point of view, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super completely fulfills all expectations based on the data already published. All the AI including the appropriate programs, DLSS 3.5, frame generation and the often better latencies are also good arguments. If it weren’t for the current dumping by AMD, which should be just right for the customer.
The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super with the AD103-275-A1 is a thoroughly interesting upper mid-range card, but nothing more at the moment. Especially in view of the AMD Radeon RX 7900XT and the current price difference, it won’t sell for the really good features, but rather only for the street price. Apart from the outdated display port connection, I don’t see any disadvantages at all with the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super that would speak against this card, only the price has just been badly undermined by the competitor. We will have to wait and see whether the so-called OC cards justify the additional price. After all, MSI has shown with the Ventus 3X that even the MSRP card can almost perfectly convert the additional performance of the significantly increased number of shaders into adequate gaming performance.
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Ultimately, the RTX 4070 Ti Super is about as good as I was expecting considering the 10% bump in core count and the switch to 16 gigs of memory over a 256-bit interface. I will certainly be interested to see how other models compare, as if the Ventus 3X really is 5% slower than what the 4070 Ti Super should be, then that's only a further positive for the new GPU as a whole.
Of course, I can only base my conclusions on what we have tested, but even then this is a strong refresh and a GPU that's well worth buying. I do believe the RX 7900 XT remains a credible option if rasterised gaming is your top priority, as it is still slightly faster overall, while some strategically timed cut-price deals only increase the value proposition. That said, I think if you are spending £750+ on a new graphics card, chances are you will be tempted by the superior ray tracing performance, DLSS support and increased efficiency of the RTX 4070 Ti Super.
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As for its performance, the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER has 10% more CUDA cores and Nvidia has also increased the video memory up from 12 GB to 16 GB which should help at high resolutions and help keep the card relevant in the future for longer. In my testing, this translated to a 6-10% increase in performance depending on the testing. In game at 1440p it was 5.5% faster than the overclocked TUF Gaming RTX 4070 Ti that I tested previously but at 4K this ramped up to 10% and I saw similar numbers in synthetic benchmarks like Time Spy and Time Spy Extreme which it improved 6.8% on Time Spy and 9.1% on Time Spy Extreme. This helped it catch up with AMDs RX 7900 XT, especially at 4k but the 7900 XT was on average still 3 FPS faster at 1440p. Where the 7900 XT didn’t keep up was with ray tracing performance and once you figure in DLSS which the games you are playing support it is a huge improvement. The performance improvement also helped with overall efficiency. While it has the same TGP our TUF Gaming RTX 4070 Ti SUPER did pull a hair more than our overclocked TUF Gaming RTX 4070 Ti did for power, but with the performance improvement its already great power to performance was even better. The cooler for the TUF Gaming RTX 4070 Ti SUPER ran surprisingly quiet in my testing as well and while I wouldn’t say the cooling performance was the best it did perform well keeping the card more than cool enough which when combined with how quiet it was would make me happy.
As for pricing the TUF Gaming RTX 4070 Ti SUPER is launching at the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER launch MSRP of $799. This fits right in at the same MSRP as last year's RTX 4070 Ti which is it replacing. There aren’t any game partnerships right now however which is a bummer given that AMDs RX 7900 XT does come with Avatars Frontiers or Pandora. AMD did also just recently dropped the pricing on a few of their cards including the 7900 XT which now has an MSRP of $749 in response to Nvidia’s SUPER cards announcement. This does put the 7900 XT as the better value if you are looking only at raster performance, but I do think that the ray tracing and DLSS performance have a lot of value as well and that $50 difference still makes this a good pickup if you are looking for high-end performance without spending RTX 4080 or RX 7900 XTX numbers. The TUF Gaming RTX 4070 Ti SUPER specifically is looking especially appealing this time around given that there isn’t a Founders Edition for this GPU and its all-metal construction. Asus does have an overclocked model as well which will hit stores at $849.99 and a white overclocked TUF model for $879.99. They will also have a Pro Art card for that same $879.99 price point and then a Strix model as well which has a hefty $949.99 price point which is WAY too close to the announced MSRP of the RTX 4080 SUPER in my opinion.
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This was a refreshing review. Not just because the RTX 4070 Ti has been refreshed, and is now SUPER for the same price, but because it really lives up to the SUPER branding with double-digit gains over its predecessor. This card is being neatly dropped in to the same price slot as its predecessor, bringing quite a bit of RTX 4080 DNA along with it.
You know, it’s like NVIDIA was holding out on us. They could have released the RTX 4070 Ti in this AD103 configuration, with this level of performance, all along – if they really wanted to. It would have made the original $799 price tag a lot more palatable. Or maybe they were playing chess, and now that we’ve accepted this price level they’re bringing performance in line with expectations… I think I’m babbling at this point.
Bottom line, the new GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER isn’t just the first card in NVIDIA’s history to be both a Ti and a SUPER at the same time; it’s a solid performer with a significantly better price/performance ratio than its predecessor. We can’t argue with that. And once you factor in ray tracing performance, DLSS, and Frame Generation (if you’re into that sort of thing), at $799 this is a lot of GPU in the current market .
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With these performance numbers RTX 4070 Ti Super is a perfect match for 1440p with maximum settings, it's actually slightly overkill, which means that the card is a decent option for 4K monitors, too, or for 1440p at 120/144 Hz. While you won't be able to game at 4K60 at highest settings, just dropping them down a bit should help get those 60 frames and there's always the various upscaling technologies, especially if you plan on enabling ray tracing. Just like the other GeForce 40 cards, RTX 4070 Ti Super has support for all of NVIDIA's DLSS technologies: NVIDIA DLSS 2 upscaling, DLSS 3 frame generation and DLSS 3.5 ray reconstruction. On top of that you can enable AMD FSR 2 and FSR 3 in games, because those technologies work on all GPUs from all vendors. Basically this means that you'll be covered in terms of upscaling and frame generation. While DLSS 3 is definitely the leading solution right now, with best game support, AMD is pushing hard and their frame generation solution will come to several major titles in 2024. From a technology perspective, DLSS 3 is superior, because it uses the optical flow hardware unit in Ada GPUs, and NVIDIA Reflex will help bring down the input latency.
The biggest selling point of the RTX 4070 Ti Super vs the RTX 4070 Ti non-Super is the increased VRAM size of 16 GB. RTX 4070 Ti's 12 GB VRAM size has been a constant topic for debate on tech forums, so it makes a lot of sense that NVIDIA is giving us a 16 GB option now, and at pretty reasonable pricing, unlike RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB. Unlike more cores or higher clocks, more VRAM will not make all games run faster automatically. Across all the 100+ game tests, (25 raster + 10 RT) x 3 resolutions, we only identified two cases where 16 GB results in a meaningful improvement over 12 GB: The Last of Us 4K and Alan Wake 2 RT at 4K. No doubt, you will be able to find more such results with other titles, too, but the vast majority of games out there will not see any meaningful improvement from the 16 GB upgrade. I'm sure that this will change in the coming years, with more and more games increasing their VRAM requirements, but I don't think that a 12 GB card will suddenly turn out to be useless in 2024 and 2025. You also have to consider that as soon as you enable upscaling, the actual render resolution is reduced, which lowers the VRAM usage significantly. Still, given all the drama about 12 GB VRAM—people can finally put their money where their mouth is and grab the RTX 4070 Ti Super 16 GB.
A secondary effect of the 16 GB VRAM capacity is that the bus width is increased from 192-bit to 256-bit (or +25%). This is required, because to achieve 16 GB, you need to install eight 2 GB memory chips, each having a 32-bit interface to the GPU. With just 12 GB and six chips a 192-bit interface is sufficient (6 x 32 =192). This 25% increase in bus width leads to an equivalent increase in memory bandwidth, which should help provide an additional performance boost. Looking at my data I'm not so convinced. While the card does have slightly better scaling than RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB, the RTX 4080 is still able to pull away at higher res. It seems that what matters more for performance scaling is the L2 cache size and not the VRAM bus width. Unfortunately NVIDIA did limit the 4070 Ti Super to 48 MB L2 cache, while the RTX 4080 gets the full 64 MB.
As expected, ray tracing works very well on the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super, clearly offering a superior experience than what Radeon RX 7900 XT, and often even RX 7900 XTX, can achieve. On average, the RTX 4070 Ti Super offers 22% higher FPS with RT than RX 7900 XT, which is quite a bit. NVIDIA's new card also shows better RT performance numbers than RX 7900 XTX in most games—if you're betting on ray tracing, then definitely opt for the RTX 4070 Ti Super. That doesn't mean that RT is unusable on AMD, it's just running considerably slower, because their cards are lacking dedicated hardware units to accelerate RT operations.
The FPS Review
Overall, when it comes to rasterized gaming without Ray Tracing, the new GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER is around 12% faster than the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti. This was the common number we experienced mostly, without Ray Tracing. When Ray Tracing was used, this percentage number crept up slightly. With Ray Tracing the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER was more like 15% faster, with some outliers like Alan Wake 2. There are of course games, where the percentages were lower, around 10% or 11%, maybe even some under, as you lower the resolution. The highest differences were at 4K or with Ray Tracing.
Looking at performance compared to the Radeon RX 7900 XT is more mixed. The Radeon RX 7900 XT put up a competitive fight, and in many games was as fast as the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER or faster. When looking at raster performance, without Ray Tracing, the Radeon RX 7900 XT is compelling in its performance by comparison, and this was at 4K and 1440p. More often than not, there were standout games like Starfield, or Cyberpunk 2077, or Returnal or Dying Light 2 where the Radeon RX 7900 XT seemed to get the edge on the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER. Even in Alan Wake 2, performance was equal between the cards, delivering the same experience.
The one sore spot for the Radeon RX 7900 XT is once again Ray Tracing. This is going to be game dependent, and also depend on the types of Ray Tracing effects used and how heavily implemented they are. The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER has a huge lead in Path Tracing performance, as is shown in Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk 2077. Overall, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER is going to deliver much higher Ray Tracing performance in games. In some circumstances, you can use upscaling FSR on the Radeon RX 7900 XT to make it playable, but this brings up the image quality of FSR at 1440p.
That is an advantage the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER has, DLSS, and RTX features. When the going gets tough on the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER with Ray Tracing you can also use upscaling on it with DLSS. Overall, DLSS has superior image quality to FSR at lower resolutions, like 1440p. You will more likely want to use DLSS on the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER than you would want to use FSR on the Radeon RX 7900 XT at 1440p if you also want to get good Ray Tracing image quality. The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER also has DLSS 3.5 Ray Reconstruction support, to improve Ray Tracing image quality. In games that support it, like Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk 2077, its Ray Tracing image quality is unmatched.
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This isn't a generously priced graphics card, in other words, and by raising the MSRP, Nvidia probably took a more sizeable cut from its AIB partners. Still, it's certainly better than paying the same $800 for the RTX 4070 Ti — which is probably why the base price on those cards has fallen to around $740, and we've seen sales push the price as low as $720, which is still arguably too high.
Is the RTX 4070 Ti Super worth the asking price? That depends on what you want to do with it. Relative to AMD's RX 7900 XT, even at its current promotional pricing starting at $709, you can certainly make arguments in favor of Nvidia's GPU. It's more power efficient, is potentially better equipped for future games (if ray tracing adoption picks up), offers access to Nvidia's proprietary DLSS features, including frame generation, and you get superior AI performance.
If all you care about is rasterization performance, AMD's 7900 XT comes out ahead and offers a better value. And there are hundreds of new rasterization-only games released every year. But if you value any of those other 'extras' — even if you only think you might want to try them — Nvidia has cards at every price point that are worth a look.
Ultimately, the RTX 4070 Ti Super provides some worthwhile improvements over its non-Super predecessor. If you're in the market for a high-end Nvidia GPU and you haven't upgraded in a few years, it's a great card. Just don't be surprised when next-generation GPUs come out in a year or so that have even more new features, improved performance, and just maybe not a massive generational price increase. (We can dream about that last one, right?)
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Mann i was pretty hyped for it, these reviews do kill the hype a bit
Agreed, between the less than stellar reviews, the lack of an FE, and my mobo/ram lost in the mail I’m just going to wait another week and try and snag a 4080S
I'm on the lower end, was gna stretch my budget a bit for the 16gb RAM but this just makes me want to go back to the 4070
I’ve got a 3440X1440p UW, coming from a 2070S and i7-9700k to likely a 4080S and 7800x3d. I make upgrades basically every 6 years. If I wasn’t on UW I’d just go 4070S
I actually have the same size monitor, and I also upgrade infrequently lol. Pls dont make me double my initial budget haha
I’m running a 4090 for my 3440x1440 monitor, so yeah, I would 100% not go for anything less than a 4080S if that’s your situation. I know they market the 4090 as a 4K gpu, but I like the overhead I’m getting by playing at 3440x1440 while being able to run crazy shit like Path Tracing at like 100+ FPS or use things like DLDSR.
I have a 4070 for half a year now and I freaking love it. It's like a better and cheaper 3080. Definitely a very good purchase, just get the cheapest one you can find, nothing else matters in it's specs, it's all marketing and not worth paying even 10$.
I can afford any of these but I refuse to help Nvidia's scam have any success at all. I was waiting to see the retail price of the cheapest non-utter-shit 16 GB card from Nvidia and that does it - I'm getting a 7900XT instead.
Let me guess, southeast Texas?
4080S it is. Next week my 2070s finally gets her last day at the beach.
Was this nvidia's plan all along lol
It's the 4090 vs the 4080 all over again.
Where are you gonna purchase it on release day?
Microcenter. I've got 2 near me.
I went through the same thought process last year with the 4070 TI but I still ended up buying it and have loved this card! Don't let the reviews influence your opinion too much.
Did a build around Christmas for my kid and went with 4070 TI and 7800X3D. He loves it and it looks (and performs) beautifully.
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So basically not the same performance as the 4080 that many people were saying it would be.
They missed the cache is cut down from 64MB to 48MB, same as 4070S. They fooled people by using the 103 die and rumors assumed that means similar or close performance. With the same cache perhaps closer, but not here in cheap-ville chipmaker USA.
I wonder why they cut down the cache. Before the refresh, the 4080 was the odd man out in terms of the card to get, now it seems like the 4070Ti-S is the odd man out.
The 4080 is now the top tier graphics card for gaming. 4090 will always be AI/machine learning and rich kid gaming. In short marketing to upsell to 4080S or down to 4070S. Remember NVidia doesn’t want you to buy this card which is why no FE. They have stockpiled enough rejected 4080 dies to do this, but can’t have it with 64MB and too close to original 4080.
Yeah. It seems like NV intentionally wanted to upsell people to the 4080S since the 4090 is so damn expensive.
4080 used to be the comically poor value option to upsell the 4090, now 4090 supply is tight, prices are going up, 4080S gets the price cut and suddenly the opposite is true.
I'm not excited about $1000 price point but it's an actual high end card with ample VRAM, Nvidia feature set, very efficient, and way better than the silly $1200. A lot of money but I could buy this for 1440p/144hz and run it for years and years.
But will the 4080 price come down now? especially in Canada
People were going crazy when the specs were right in front of us the whole time.
4080 has +15% cores, +33% L2 cache, slightly higher memory bandwidth, higher TBP
Why would anyone expect the Ti Super to have the same performance as the 4080??
I know. But the number of comments I saw saying “this is gonna be a 4080 beater” was insane.
Yeah I was echoing the sentiment.
You had "leakers" pushing this "it's basically a 4080" angle and people ran with it even though the specs told you otherwise from the start
Too much focus on the core count, which doesn't scale linearly anyway, so if everything else was equal you'd expect the 4070 ti super to be nearly as fast with 15% lower core count.
Everyone seems to have forgotten about the other things you mention, in particular the cache.
People spend too much time thinking about what die got cut down to make the active silicon they get. Doesn't really matter.
But clearly the ti super was meant to sit in between the normal ti and 4080 right ? How would it beat the 4080 ?
It wasn’t but there was a lot of chatter online about how the 4070Ti Super was going to almost equal the 4080. Mainly because they use the same die.
Not even slightly better than the 7900 xt in raster.
Another case of over exaggerated rumors I guess.
I was very interested because the 4070S performed favorably against the 7800 XT. People were hoping the 4070tiS would be the goldilocks card of the bunch. Better than the 7900xt in raster and having 16gb of vram, but it falls short.
meh
Overhyped, wasn’t nearly as close to the 4080 as we thought.
It seems like if you're considering paying 800 for a 4070 ti super, you should just take the 200 increase for a 4080 super.
I highly doubt the 4080s will be better value. It only seems good because of how much better it is than a base 4080.
Nvidia said it is 1-3% better than the 4080 vanilla. The price is the only real change.
you shouldn't care how much better it is vs 4080 unless you're upgrading from 4080
I'm upgrading from a 5 years old card, so I'm only looking at the value of the card I'm buying, not how much it changed vs another card.
so from that perspective, paying much more for RTX 4080 Super seems questionable and it's irrelevant how much 4070 Ti Super is faster than 4070 Ti, the only relevant thing is how good value in absolute terms is 4070 Ti Super and how good value is 4080 Super
4080 Super is still much more expensive (worse value) than 4070 Ti Super
This is good advice and also we are in a stop gap generation.
The 4000 series that replaced the 3000 is just not great. People are like spend a $1000 2 years into a 3 year generation... a bad gpu generation.
In a year these things are going out the window. They should of called these the 3500's not 4000.
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It's about 10% better than 4070S. Honestly, if money is tight you're perfectly fine with the 4070S.
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Not even close tbh. VR is higher resolution. The median puts it at 20%.
Its hard to say 2K gaming and VR are two entirely different things.
I think it's worth considering the 7900xt at around 750 or less. I'm not sure if VR heavily takes advantage of Nvidia's features since I don't play VR, but the 7900xt outperforms the 4070tiS in raster and has a lot of vram.
If you were seriously considering a 4070ti before this release and the 4 vram is what was holding you back, then the 4070tiS is good. It's the same price as the 4070ti and it's certainly not worse than it.
You should also look at benchmarks for the 4070S at 2k and pay attention to the vram being used.
Buy a used 3090
Crap advice
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This is completely false.
What about VR?
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Neither seems to be a standout value over the other to me. Just depends on your budget and use case. Once 4080S is here, the whole stack positioning makes sense, finally.
Except the 4060/Ti. Fuck that garbage.
I think you spelled it wrong it's 4050 ti lol
worth the upgrade from a 1080? or should i wait, figured i am gonna need a new card at some point
The 4070 super will probably give you a big performance boost. Probably the sweet spot for price/performance and features for 1440p
The 4070 super looks like a better value than the 4070 ti super imo
i was figuring the 4070 ti super for the extra vram. i play on 1440p rn but 4k is the future
Might want to get a used 4080 if you just want the extra VRAM, or wait for reviews and step up to a 4080S if 4k is in the near future. Just my 0.02.
Coming from a 1080, you will be seeing a 150+ fps boost with max setting on average.
I'm also still using a 1080 and would like to upgrade, but I want to avoid the the 1080 Ti situation where waiting one year would have given a free 40% performance boost and more ram.
I think we're in a similar situation here. We're so close to the 5000 series release that I think waiting a year would be worth it. Obviously we keep our cards for a long time, so might as well get the best we can right?
I’ve had a 1080ti for 4 years now, I’ve been ‘waiting for the next series’ for a long while but it never quite delivers when it comes around.
I'm building a new pc, upgrading from a 6600k to a 7800x3d, and I'm keeping my 1080Ti until the 5000 series cards come out after seeing the reviews for these 4000S cards.
Nice, I'm planning to upgrade my 6700k to a 7800x3d too. But I'm running a 1080 on 1440p UWHD so I'm debating whether upgrading a new system or getting a new GPU will be worth more bang for the buck at this point (the new system will cost about the same as a 4070Ti Super).
Did you OC your 6700k? I am gaming on a 3440x1440 @120Hz monitor, and was able to OC my 6600k to 4.6GHz, and at the moment I'm getting nearly 120 fps on older games like Alien Isolation and Doom 2016, and 60-70fps on newer titles like RDR2 with tuned settings. So I am curious to see if I'm going to gain more FPS on higher quality settings with a better CPU. I do want ray tracing eventually, but most of the games I own don't have it, so I'm hoping I can stretch out my 1080Ti for a little bit longer.
Do you need one now? If so yes, however like others have said the 4080s may be the better option.
thats a little out of my price range otherwise i would get it. I already bought a i7-1300k and the nvidia 1080 isnt getting the performance i want- (like 40 frames in fallout 4)
FO4 came out in 2016. You should be cruising on that with a 13700k if your gpu ain’t broke.
Went from, 8700k and 1080, to 8700k and a 4070ti super last night. HOLY SHIT yes its a huge upgrade. i'm the same about having 4k in my future as well.
It's night and day. Ray Tracing and DLSS3 are game changers.
If you're planning to stick to a 1440p monitor which IMO most people should, then yes IMO. I'm only going for the Ti Super because my old 1440p died and I was gifted a 4k by the wifie. I'm actually slightly tempted to just pick up the Zotac 4070 S but I'm worried about running into a graphics wall at 4k with upcoming titles like Indian Jones.
Probably will get down voted but I’m between paying up for a 7900 xtx at 950 or trying to get one of the 4070 ti supers at 850. I don’t really play many ray tracing games and looking to play 4k. Which one should I choose
If you're going to spend 950 just get a 4080s for 1000. Dlss is great, their implementation of Scaling and frame gen is worth a lot to me
As a guy with a 7900xt, if you’re going to spend almost a grand on a gpu, buy the 4080 super. There’s no reason to buy the 7900xtx anymore unless those prices are cut drastically.
What did you end up picking? I found a 4070 ti super new for 750$
TLDR: Get the 4070 Super or wait for the 4080 Super
There are no good quite 4070 supers available. The MSRP models are all loud but you can get a good TiS at MSRP that is also quiet.
Goddamn. People further up noting Nvidia probably opted NOT to release a Ti Super FE because they want people either to grab the 4070 S or the 4080 S with the latter being a replacement for the 4090 with fewer cores. Only problem is most of the 4070 Supers aren't being rated all that well for heat control aside from maybe the Zotac if what others in other threads are saying is true.
I have an RTX 3080 rn, I think the proper thing for me is to wait for 50 series and hope I can snag one.
100%
for sure. same for me. and FSR3 frame gen is starting to be adopted now too which will help in more demanding games. works well in Avatar.
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I wish I could find one!
Hard to say that I would save money... I just ordered Asus TUF 4070 ti super for 850€, Asus TUF 4080 Super would've put me down by 1150€ (Cheapest 4080 Super model). Paying 300€ more for 4080 Super just does not seem that great of an alternative.
I have a 3080 ti and I hate how it sounds like a jet engine taking off and runs so hot I have to open my window in winter to keep my room from getting uncomfortably warm. Undervolting helped some but causes games like Alan Wake 2 to crash so I ended up just going back to stock settings.
I'm seriously considering a 4070 ti super or 4080 super just to have lower power needs (and therefor hopefully lower temps / quieter fans).
Am I crazy?
Text wall incoming! I just want to thoroughly share my experience with my 3080 Ti and 40 series.
I’m using a Gigabyte 3080 Ti Vision OC and it seems that the heat sink is just not big enough for the stock TPD across most 3080 Ti models, causing a the stock fan curve to be aggressive and loud. Running stock, I pull about 350W average and the fan speed likes to hover around 80% which is very audible especially with my mesh panel case and open back headphones.
Last month I financed and later returned a 4080 from Best Buy and it was significantly cooler and quieter than the 3080 Ti. Full load it was barely tapping 240W and the fans sat around 50%, completely inaudible from my sitting position, all while smashing the fps in ways the 3080 Ti couldn’t. Alan Wake 2 1440p everything ultra with path tracing, over 60fps in most areas without upscaling while running cool and quiet.
So after THAT experience, I worked pretty hard to get my 3080 Ti to settle down on the heat and noise and wound up with what I consider I decent under volt. My silicon isn’t great so it wasn’t stable using a lot of the common 3080 Ti undervolt values I found in Reddit. But I’ve currently got it OC’d at +120 MHz on the curve, with voltage limited to 850 mV at 1785 MHz and a power limit of 84% + a custom fan curve, which has helped reduce heat and noise immensely. Fans sit around 60-65% with power between 240-280W and only a 2-3% fps loss. Use DLSS and that fps loss is negligible.
On top of all of that, I just tried out the DLSS + FG mod and it’s worked wonders in some demanding games. With the mod and undervolt, Jedi Survivor doesn’t dip below 120fps on Ultra no RT, DLSS quality + FG on. Exact same performance increase on Hogwarts Legacy. In cyberpunk Path tracing is too demanding without a 40 series card, even with the mod, but standard RT and ultra settings was a breeze.
That said, I’ve got a 4070 Super FE readying up at Best Buy since I can sell the 3080 Ti for close to the 4070S msrp and hopefully avoid having to mess with undervolting and modding while getting 5-10% better performance.
Thank you for the amazing text wall, almost exactly the same situation but you’ve done a lot more experimenting! I might try replicating your settings and see how it goes. I gave up even attempting enabling ray tracing in AW2 as it dropped my fps to the 20s, so interesting that you’re able to make it work.
My knowledge is extremely limited in this area, what undervolting I’ve done was copied from a YT video, but I’ll give it a crack!
Hey thanks for reading! I just got into all this a couple years ago myself, YT obviously as an invaluable resource. I encourage you to keep experimenting to find something stable--it's possible, even with AW2 Ray Tracing. Turning RT is just activating the RT cores which is probably introducing the instability (you can experience the same stability issues when turning on DLSS). Even across games without using RT or DLSS, I'll get random crashes (e.g. running fine on Jedi Survivor for 2 hours, then crash on Halo on the first multiplayer match), so it just takes some patience and fine tuning.
Here's a great guide on "properly" undervolting while overclocking to maintain performance with less power draw: https://github.com/LunarPSD/NvidiaOverclocking/blob/main/Nvidia%20Overclocking.md#prerequisites-and-stability-tests
Hope that helps!
Thanks, I've never seen that guide before actually and it was incredibly helpful. Spent the past few hours tinkering. Most of that was spent gradually increasing Core Clock and Memory Clock, never had any crashes in 3DMark Time Spy or the Superposition benchmarks it recommended. Stopped at +175MHz core clock and +1000MHz memory clock... and then realized once I started undervolting (using the ctrl+f voltage/frequency editor) that it reset all the core clock testing I did 😂
Ended up just setting the power limit to 84%, core clock to +175MHz, and memory clock to +1100MHz. Alan Wake 2 is running stable in the 60-80 FPS range and temps have stayed in the low 70s instead of constantly around 80-83...
I'm sure there's more I could do or a better way, but it's something at least 🤷♂️
Sell for $400+ and get the 4080s!
I also had a 3080ti albeit a FTW3 from EVGA. That thing was LOUD, and HOT. I’ve had a 4080FE and 4090FE and the upgrade in acoustics is unreal. They’re so damn quiet it’s kind of ridiculous, they also run very cool, max RT CP2077 mine never breaks 70c and this is all with the same inaudible fan speed.
Which model of 3080ti is it?
Your room gets hot = the cooler is doing its job, which is taking the heat from the pcb out.
You can try more case fans to improve the airflow, and/or using a fan curve.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FTW3
I've experimented with fan curve and undervolting and like I said above it does help, and ran well for most content, but I'm currently playing Alan Wake 2 and it kept crashing so I reset to default settings. Playing Alan Wake 2 now, with my window open and headphones on, and I can hear my fans through the headphones 😂
Case is a Corsair 5000D Airflow with a lot of BeQuiet fans so I don't think airflow is an issue.
Screenshot of my afterburner settings: https://imgur.com/aERDLob
edit - will add that I have afterburner monitoring GPU Power as well and it stays right around 400W while playing AW2, Max was 406.1W. I'm not an expert on hardware but my assumption is that a 4070 Ti S maxing out 50-100 watts lower will make a pretty impact on heat and therefor fan noise
Yeah 400W is a good amount of heat. My wc'ed 4090 draws around 490W in that game and I can feel the heat around the case area.
I would go for the 4080s if I were you. 4070ti s feels like a side step imo.
I had the same ftw3 cooler for my 3090. Ftw series are top of the line for EVGA, those coolers do wonders, how I wish EVGA still make graphics cards.
I didn't use my cooler much, only 2 weeks before slapping my waterblock on. But I never had temps above 75C with ambient at 74F (22C), with a power target of 110%. And this was true even when I put the cooler back on to resell the card. It wasn't noisy at all, max fan speed at 65%.
Your room getting hot means the cooler works, but you may have to repaste the core and replace the thermal pads. Old past may be the reason why the fans are getting loud.
And don't bother with undervolting, it will work for some or most cases, then bam all of a sudden doesn't work a a specific application.
No, I did a 3070TI to 4070TI on release and been solid.
Undervolt it, open it up and clean it. I'm still running an old Asrock RX 580 and by maintaining it and undervolting it stopped running like a get. 3080Ti is still a very capable card. I'd consider upgrading only if I have a 2060 or below.
I wonder how much performance is missing here with pre-release driver and how things could/would improve. Even 2-3% on top of those current reviews won't be as bad.
But overall its 4070TI, but with 16GB of VRAM.
I have had a 1070 for like 6-7(?) years now and I was looking to replace it with one of these SUPER models so that it can last me another 5-6 years. I skipped out on the initial 40 series due to the connector fears and high prices and was looking forward to this refresh because of the updated and better connector as well as more appealing VRAM, but the more I look at the performance improvements, the more disappointed I become.
I will wait until the 4080super release and make my decision, either between this card or the 4080S in Europe(Greece).
I thought about the base 4080 but a good model costs 1250euro here and I cannot guarantee the new connector, so I will better wait.
Perhaps snag a used 4070 Ti, or maybe your local stores have clearance on them? I got mine new for 920€ close to launch and they ran 1100€ the whole last year basically here in Sweden.
The regular 4070 Ti isn't bad at all, despite 12 gb of VRAM.
I would rather get a new super model because they have the new connector 100% guaranteed.
Sadly no clearance sales exist in Greece for GPUs.
I wouldn't get scammed voluntarily with Nvidia's crap 4000 series, super or not. I think you should consider AMD.
Personally, even if the driver concerns are overblown, I do not want the higher chance of having driver problems, I would rather pay about 100-200euro more to have the much better looking DLSS(to extend the lifespan of the GPU) and peace of mind that the drivers will work fine(I never had driver issues with my 1070).
I also have a 750w PSU so I need a GPU with good power consumption and low spikes.
I'm buying an AMD next because as far as I'm hearing drivers are superb now and actually better than Nvidia's on Linux. They've also got ROCm working on Linux.
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Tbh, people are on a negative train cause they wanted the world.
4070 Ti normal could do 4k@60 with RT no problem - let alone 1440p. Your fine. People want to be negative.
The reality is both the 4080S/4070 ti are not good values. 4080s might be a bit better but your throwing more money into a stop gap generation. I sold my 3090 3 weeks ago and got $720 when all is said and done. I know this gen is garbage but for $100+ i can get DLSS 3, get a 10% boost, and wait for whats next.
People need to stop pretending like any of these cards are great. The 4080/4080 Super isnt great either. Its why last generation cards are still selling for a boat load.
They are better value then what they replaced.
With the old 4070TI I do 4k 60FPS optimized settings and RT.
10% faster and no concerns over VRAM seems like a no brainier.
My 4070 super FE does better than 60 fps on 1440p max settings and I only have an i7-9700 paired with it, so just something to consider as well
I'm doing and always locked 90 FPS 1440P Max with a 4070TI.
Don’t you get it? It’s the new 4080 because it makes you wanna just shill out a few hundred more bucks for the better gpu at that price, just like the og 4080 did with the 4090 pre shortage
Yeah, every Nvidia card is designed so that you want to buy the one above it.
lol. It’s actually kind of impressive.
I think people expected too much. A slightly fixed 4070ti was always going to be realistic for this.
I think the 4080S will be a very slightly better 4080 at a "fixed" price.
What this launch has done is make AMDs offerings lower in price which is a bonus and given buyers an option for a good mid range card that offers great bang for buck (4070 Super)
Other than that, it's typical Nvidia.
I imagine there's still people out there texting the 4080S to be performing close to a 4090, no way will Nvidia undermine their top-end card like that, there needs to be a big performance difference to incentivise people to go for the high-end.
The 4080S will likely be about 5% better performing than the 4080.
Performance table will likely look like this
4090
7900xtx
4080 Super
4080
7900XT
4070TI Super
4070TI
4070Super
I could see the 4080 Super being a better buy than the 7900xtx despite being weaker(or it might even perform slightly better or equal) The 7900xt I think is a better buy than the TI Super at the new pricing, better raster and more Vram unless one really wants to upscale or uses their GPU's for more than games although the 4070ti Super is no slouch in gaming either.
For me the 4070 Super despite looking like a weak refresh before the reviews actually is looking better every day.
7900 xtx should be WAY LOWER, no DLSS and frame generation.
The list is based on cards raw ability, not software implementation.
DLSS and Frame generation are not a replacement for pure raster performance. Sure it can help lower end cards meet monitor specs but Raster is how cards should be judge while upscaling is a separate feature.
The sad reality is many mid range cards will be underperforming because many have eaten up the whole upscaling marketing while high performing cards like the 4090 will be a crazy premium.
When you pay for a Nvidia 40XX, you also pay for tension core and the better optical flow accelerator, which permit frame gen, you pay for that, so comparing only by raster is obsolete, new game with insane ray tracing wich require those kind of cards, have those features, you have to factor this. So placing the 7900 xtx so high is non sense for me.
My point is the way of calculating by pure raster performance is become obsolete, when all these new AAA games on PC have DLSS 3 and frame gen, you gotta learn and evolve.
DLSS and Frame generation for example are essentially useless and harmful for the competitive gaming market it’s important to find out what the potential buyer is planning to do. Frame smoothing increases latency, big nono.
We’ve gone backwards in terms of evolution. Nvidia is trying to make upscaling software a main feature where instead we’re only getting capable equipment for silly prices. Instead we have cards that are high in price that should be offering raw rasterisation but because some sheep have eaten Nvidias coolaid, you can forget about that and instead if you want good native performance, it’s four figures.
AMD aren’t innocent either their two main cards where way too expensive at launch but to be fair to AMD they have always given us competitive native performers.
Very underwhelming. It's to the point that it seems like something is wrong. The card really on paper looks like it should be closer to the 4080 than it is.
Not at all with the cut down cache. It’s exactly where it should be. 48MB cache(same as 4070S) vs 64MB on 4080. Using 103 die means nothing beyond 16GB layout. It’s gimped more than usual cut down cards are. Even Tom’s hardware is listing 64MB in their review because of this assumption incorrectly.
It has roughly 15% weaker specs than the 4080 and benchmarks put at about 15% less performance than the 4080.
3 to 4% on average over the regular it's not even meaningful considering it has like 10% more cores
Tbf, I would say it is simply whelming.
The cache is cut down by 25% compared to the 4080. The L2 cache in Ada is what allows it to get away with similar memory bandwidth to Ampere. cutting it 25% is gonna hurt. Might be extra responsive to a VRAM overclock though.
That’s what I was thinking
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Yeah, I kept my expectations in check with this batch of cards. I feel like Ti Super is mostly for people who don't want to wait until 2025 and just want something that's a bit newer and able to handle 4k/medium to high settings for under $1k. I'm on an AM4 and happy with the rest of my setup, so this just keeps my desktop chugging along another 3, maybe 4 years.
When you say “not great”, what are you comparing these cards to?
That's for native 4k though. From what I've seen, 4k with DLSS Quality is already quite a different picture
So it's dogshit.
Uhoh.
For an extra 110 and tax, is the base tuf ti super worth it over the super variant tuf?
It’s 689 vs 800. Seems worth it to grab the super ti tuf since it’s not the full 200 dollar price jump.
Yeah, if you're already getting something that's almost $700. It seems a no brainer to grab the TI super. I think at 600 the 70 super makes a lot of sense to some people but at $700 no
Gaming performance aside, sounds like good value for 3d work with the increased VRAM and cuda cores. My question is, do you guys think the 4080S would be much faster rendering?
I was gonna get a 4070 ti super for my new build, but from what I'm reading its only better than the 4070 super if you're doing 4k, which I'm not. If I want to do ray tracing @ 1080p 165hz, should I instead get the 4070 super, or the rx 7900 xt? What do yall think?
Got this card and don't care about the consensus. I'm a 1440p gamer and I'm upgrading from a 2060. It's an enormous upgrade for me and I don't plan on getting a 4k monitor any time soon.
Found one at MSRP. I considered the 4080 but it's more than I need and also outside my budget. Didn't see any 4080s priced near MSRP.
I just want to say, that if someone somehow manages to grab this card exactly at MSRP price + tax of course, it's a good card, perfect for 1440p and a budget 4k card (DLSS 3 frame gen). I'm in Europe but if I was in US I wouldn't think twice.
I think the most graphically demanding game of 2023 was Alan Wake 2
The old 4070Ti it runs it at Max Settings 4k without any DLSS at 45FPS. With DLSS3 you can turn on Path Tracing as long as you lower the settings so you don't run out of VRAM. Which won't be necessary for the 4070Ti Super (although you'll still need to lower settings so it runs well).
The new one? I wouldn't call it a budget 4k Card considering it's 800 dollars and easily outperforms a 3090TI which the old matched.
For me the Ti isn’t worth the £200+ more for what? 10-15% more performance? Same cache?
Yeah but for 200 bucks more…. I know you just want to say but I’m just saying…
And so I went and ordered a Radeon 7900 XT today. Cheaper, more VRAM, basically equal performance, and I see ray tracing as a massive performance hit for no noteworthy gain.
Have you played Cyberpunk? Huge differences between no RT and enabling PT
This is the sanest opinion and course of action in this thread.
Goodluck with that xt card it's more bigger,consumes more power(power hog) compared to nvidia,no features,productivity sucks(cough blender cough),Ai use sucks,drivers still not on par with nvidia,and finally the reason people buy amd becuz its cheaper....well in third world countries like in india amd is not cheaper and charges us more and is very close to nvidia in pricing which I called overpriced so no point of even thinking about amd for me 😃
Oh yes, all of that productivity work I'm NOT using my dedicated gaming PC for. Oh no, whatever will I do without being able to make cheap AI art and hands with 8 fingers??? Me here, all alone without reverse sugar daddy Nvidia to take care of me, I guess I'll just have to go and cry alone in my room while I'm playing Spider-Man at a very smooth 4k.
These refreshes are pretty underwhelming. I think I'll just stick with the 3080Ti for another year and jump on the 5070Ti instead.
Yeah I think I will wait with my 2080ti. It's still getting pretty decent performance at 1440p with dlss
They should have called this gen the DLSS RTX 40 series.
I want one :-)
After the lackluster reviews I decided to order the 4070 S to replace my 3080. I know the performance increase won't be huge but I wanted FG for MSFS.
Which one did you order because the MSRP models of the 4070S aren't that good but you can get a good 4070tiS at MSRP. I think of everything.
Guys its no wonder its not close to 4080 ... think marketing wise . Everytging as planned for company to make money :)
I wounded how it would perform with the same watts as a 4080
Funny when you play call of duty it doesnt matter. The game is optimized fairly so even console players can keep up.
Got a 1080. But think i will wait for next gen. My 1080 runs everything fine, even hogwarts legacy
I have a 1080TI and I’ll wait for the 4080 Super.
I had a 1080, good card but "everything fine" is a stretch... unless you play at 720p
at 1440p Cyberpunk on high rt off was OK, but only if you accept 30fps, for example
At what time is the founders edition available in the Nvidia shop?
There is no 4070 ti super FE
I am thrilled with this release. Because the 5070 will be guaranteed to go to 16 GB VRAM and is the one i'm looking to muve to
Not necessarily, Nvidia is switching to GDDR7 which is more expensive and so is 3 nm wafers. To keep the price to around $600, I bet it will stick to 12 GB still. I guess they could do 16 GB of GDDR6x and leave the GDDR7 to the 5080 and 5090.
In the 30 series they did segregate the 70 and 80/90 cards like that.
always funny how people act like Nvidia is the one that is stupid here. Look at the cards that came out since they got so much shit:
4060ti -> increased vram to 16gb
4070ti -> increase it to 16 gb
They know people want more vram, they arent going to do the same mistake twice lol
Both the 4060 Ti and the 4070 Ti S are underwhelming pieces of crap performance to price though. They will never give you all three performance, RAM and good value.
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They won't give you 16 GB affordable and with good value (stares at the 4060 Ti scam snail) because they want to cripple IA if you spend less than 1.5k on them.
So do I return my 4070 Ti ROG Strix for a Super model that isn’t a ROG Strix? 👀
“Raster performance” is undoubtedly a dog whistle at this point.
Does anyone have any idea what the 4080s will cost in canadian dollars? I'm trying to figure out the jump in price between them asking $1149.99 for the 4070 ti super and the 4080s
1350 to 1400 $CAD I'd guess
Are parts really that much more expensive in Canada? I got my 4070 ti super for $749.99 US dollars
Quick question for you better informed kind people: Have to upgrade, coming from an i74770k and gtx 1080ti; what would you suggest for playing in 1440p? What cpu? What to choose in terms of vga for staying a bit future proof?
Future proofing is subjective. You can feel fine with something for 5 years while another person will think it's obsolete after 3 years.
Frankly, you need a full upgrade of CPU and GPU if you want to play above Medium settings at 1440p for modern games.
Something along the lines of 13600k/5800x3D or similar range for CPU. And something like a 4070S or comparable GPU as a minimum. With DLSS and Frame Generation, there is a bigger chance these specs will remain relevant for about 4-5 years (or more) for 1440p High-Ultra settings, 60+ FPS and low to medium RT.
Would you suggest a 7800x3d coupled with a 4070 ti super? other compositions? your time frame as 4-5 years seems good for me, i'm not upgrading pc parts as i used to when i was younger unfortunately.
thanks for replying btw!
I still keeping my 3090
So wait for the 5080 it is
Lowkey huge disappointment from this card but also consoling to know all the VRAM hype is mostly built on nothing
pretty much this card is the poor man's 4K card and that's it, it doesnt' serve a purpose over the regular 4070 Ti for 1440p and below
Why are the following not included in every review? These might determine whether many actually get any new cards:
"Cyberpunk 2077", max settings at 4K
"Witcher 3" in DirectX 12 mode (completely broken, laggy, and poorly rendered on even 3080ti) Completely upstaged by the "obsolete" (but stunning) DirectX 11 mode.
"Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020", 4K, max settings
One victory is claimed, I suppose, is this card besting the 3080ti, for which some paid $1730 at Microcenter in July 2021...
I was waiting for 4070ti super and hoped it will address my needs: 2k and possible 4k gaming , Cyberpunk, Atomic Heart. From workload I do ocassionaly video editing and hoped to start LLM learning ( not sure when it happens though) currently pricing in New Zealand where I'm based as following ( yes we have huge taxes here)
7900 xt- $916 USD
7900 xtx $1100 USD
cheapest 4070ti super $1056.21USD
4080 $1216.87USD (probably 4080s will be cheaper, but I doubt)
so with all above requirements, current prices, nvidia perk ( DLSS, power efficiency, comparitevely better driver, tensor cores) is it worth to pay for 4070ti, or pay premium for 4080s or 7900 xtx should satisfy my need?
I just grabbed a 4070ti super (asus tuf OC) from amazon for 850+tax, and amazon dropped it another $50 for signing up for their amazon visa card (which also lets me spread the payments out over 12 months with no interest).
Also got free shipping by agreeing to a 30 trial of amazon prime (shipping WOULD have been another $6).
So, the COMPLETE total was (tax included, free shipping, $50 off deal):
$856 (with 12 month no interest financing).
Upgrading from a 1070ti. IMO, these are what the 4070ti SHOULD have been at release (16gb ram, 256-bit memory bus -- basically a cut-down 4080).
One thing I think that gets overlooked is that these 4070ti supers (at least the ones I've seen), have really decent cooling solutions on them -- the temps max out under 65C and they stay quiet enough at full load (stable diffusion). That adds some value because then I won't need to spend another ~$150 for a watercooler solution like some other cards.
The other card I was looking at was the regular 4070 (the ones with just the dual fans) because they're decently priced at ~$560... but I probably would have ended up watercooling it anyways. If those were close to $400 (or straight up came AIO watercooled) I would have grabbed one of those.
I bought this card yesterday for under 799 and I'm thrilled ;)
I was going to buy 4070ti anyway so super version just convinced me more.
Changing from GTX1080, I expect a nice experience in WQHD gaming for next 2-3 years, than I will consider a change for 4k, RTX 5x and a total PC upgrade.
But these reviews almost make me fell guilty :(
Don't feel guilty. People were expecting more, which is fair. But don't be discouraged, the 4070 ti super is a beast of a card and you will be incredibly surprised how well it runs 4K games with DLSS set to max quality.
Especially with a 5800x3d or 7800x3d
I’ve had my 3070 since launch but I’m gonna upgrade my pc this weekend. I was looking at the 4070 super but I think I’m gonna go with the 4070 ti super just to get that extra 4 gigs of vram
right on I'm in the same boat 3070 for 2 years now and wanting more vram. thinking 4070Ti super all the way.
Is there an official specsheet from nVidia that shows the L2 cache size? Many reviews/leaks state 64MB (same as the 4080) and only a few state otherwise.
So did I fuck up getting a 4070 TI super? And can it run 4K at 120fps?
If a 4080 can run the game at 4k 138fps, you should be able to do 4k 120fps with the 4070ti super.
I'm old, so 60 fps at 1080p will always be enough for me (which is why I can get away with waiting 3 generations between gpu upgrades). Looking forward to the 7xxxx RTX Ti Super OC X-TREME+ 32GB series in 2030.
Nope. It's an amazing card. People just were expecting more, which is fair. But I feel like for 750 - $800 i have gotten all my money's worth and more.
Inno3D RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 3x Overclocked - anyone seen a review yet?
No, but I have it now and I am pretty suprised by it. It is quiet, and mine boosts all the time in the games I play between 2640 and 2800 MHz. RAM OC +1000 works too.
I know the 4070 ti FE was discontinued but are all 4070 tis from other manufactures also being discontinued or just the FE?
It's all about price, managed to order one for 602 Euro's here locally in Asia, then it's a fantastic card.
4070 Super was about 465 Euro, alle locally and add 7% sales tax.