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[–]DeathWray 2907 points2908 points  (141 children)

Dude's been dealt a shit hand that's for sure. He deserves better as does the Witcher IP. Here's hoping he catches a break with Warhammer.

[–]spet_ 1069 points1070 points  (80 children)

He’s not playing by their tunes and doesn’t follow their agenda.

[–]HandyBait 623 points624 points  (41 children)

He is no extrovert like the rest of hollywood so they treat him different. Also because they can't handle him saying no to events or other extrovert things

[–]zomgtehvikings 424 points425 points  (21 children)

Yeah gotta love a bigger nerd than anyone I know who just so happens to be hot as fuck

[–]IrishWithoutPotatoes 238 points239 points  (20 children)

I’m not gay, but if he asked me out for a romantic dinner I’d be hard pressed to say no.

Huh. Guess everyone really is on the sexuality spectrum somewhere. .

[–]DadBodftw🏹 Scoia'tael 193 points194 points  (12 children)

If Cavill asked me to suck his dick I'd be planting tulips faster than a coke whore needing a fix.

[–]IrishWithoutPotatoes 185 points186 points  (4 children)

Cavill reading these comments: Thank god I have a good relationship with my girlfriend

[–]milesjr13 80 points81 points  (1 child)

Dude gets enough thirst discomfort in his interviews...

[–]mrbulldops428 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Well that escalated quickly

[–]warm_sweaterYrden 63 points64 points  (1 child)

Faster than a Novigrad whore, even?

[–]Kuningas_ArthurTeam Shani 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Faster than the Novigrad succubus, even

[–]neoaraxis 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Just don't forget to say no homo.

[–]-retaliation- 209 points210 points  (13 children)

exactly, he's very introverted, which to a lot of extroverted people (like the majority of hollywood) is seen/expected that the person is meek, but he's not meek at all, he's actually rather assertive.

so you've got powerful, extroverted people, expecting meek, and getting assertive, and they don't like it.

combined with some bad timing, and a leaning towards sci-fi and fantasy because of his nerdy personality, which are known to be volatile genres in film, often getting cancelled, or fucked with.

and you get this.

[–]Ok-Seaworthiness2235 89 points90 points  (5 children)

You actually nailed the psychological concept of this really well. I've watched my SO experience this often. He's very anxious yet incredibly talented (imo cavill has a similar condition rather than just being introverted and has mentioned anxiety in numerous interviews and posts). Arrogant guys think they can walk all over him and then get extra irate when he holds firm or pushes back. It's so weird but I've seen people flip out irrationally at him for setting basic boundaries while other more outwardly assertive guys are respected for doing the exact same.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Arrogant guys

Wait till you see who the showrunner and writers of The Witcher were…

[–]mouseat9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He reminds me of some combat veterans I knew who were confident not because they thought they were badasses, but situations made them into badasses.

[–]King-Cobra-668 21 points22 points  (0 children)

he cares and is passionate, he's a nerd, he's handsome and fit

and they fucking hate it

[–]Mr_Achammer23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You mean he doesn't diddle kids? Odd guy he must be

[–]StockAL3Xj 130 points131 points  (22 children)

Dude has been dealt the hand of all hands. He's incredibly lucky. You all need some perspective. He had a project that didn't go how he wanted, it's not that big of a deal.

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points  (1 child)

Honestly it's been a few projects, but you're still right, and so are most of the comments.

He is both very lucky, very talented, got hosed, and will be fine...all at the same time.

[–]cozy_lolo 38 points39 points  (8 children)

Lmao I can’t believe I just read someone seriously claiming that Henry Cavill was dealt a “shit hand” in life

[–]margeauxnita:show: Books 1st, Show 2nd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, generics alone, he’s an impossibility statistically. Lucky is right.

[–]ecodrewMonsters 22 points23 points  (6 children)

I hope Warhammer does well. Are first blush, it seems more niche than The Witcher - but, I hope I'm wrong and feel free to correct me.

He should be in something with Alan Ritchson (Jack Reacher), since they both nail the gruff, huge, good guy who effortlessly smashes baddies. Add Terry Crews too, for fun.

He's prob better off out of the DCU, while they're stuck in the recent rut of crappy movies.

[–]MedicalFoundation149 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Warhammer has gained a ton of popularity over the last 10 years, and in many different mediums from the actual tabletop game to the absolute huge book series and a respectable collection of video games.

It has finally garnered enough popularity that a tv show is justified, and luckily for henry cavil, Games Workshop (owner of Warhammer) is very, very protective of their IP and is always involved in the creative process of their 3rd party made products to ensure that they respect the universe (and protect the brand). There will be no repeat of the tragedy that is the Witcher show.

[–]aerojonno 2 points3 points  (6 children)

No way in hell they don't fuck up Warhammer.

[–]min0kawa 196 points197 points  (1 child)

I weep at what The Witcher could have been if they had let Henry cook. They had a lead that was invested in the source material and the role. What a waste.

[–][deleted] 1454 points1455 points  (175 children)

So fucking weird this.

He seems to be universally liked, never puts in a bad performance, especially as a character actor he’s phenomenal, really nails it.

Yet he often gets snubbed or seemingly messed around?

Playing devil’s advocate perhaps he is difficult to work with? From a director/writer/producers POV anyway.

[–]Roadwarriordude 611 points612 points  (30 children)

Everyone from the Mission Impossible movie he was in did nothing but sing his praises after that movie.

[–]Rhonun 387 points388 points  (23 children)

Tom Cruise talking about how Henry cocks his biceps is so wholesome

https://youtube.com/shorts/wxFJM66RQEg?feature=share

[–]Archedeaus 318 points319 points  (9 children)

I misread that as “Tom cruise talking about Henry’s cock” at first

[–]StarkPR 148 points149 points  (4 children)

I'm listening.

[–]pcweber111 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Interest rising…

[–]MagjeeTeam Roach 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Position Impossible

[–]Merc931 127 points128 points  (12 children)

I hate that I like Tom Cruise. He's this weird abusive demon man who basically co-leads a cult but my brain just goes "but look at that stunt he did" and I start clapping like a fucking seal.

[–]mollyyfcooke 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Yeah that’s the cult leader in him lol works pretty good huh?

[–]Quill_Lord_of_Birbs 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Yeah Tom Cruise is a good example of "separate the art from the artist" for me. Talented but GODDAMN is he a dangerous wackadoodle.

[–]Historyp91 70 points71 points  (4 children)

Everyone from The Witcher has as well, if you go off what they've actually said, as opposed to what a gossip online claimed "somebody" involved with the show said about him.

[–]Sir_BugsAlot 15 points16 points  (0 children)

reloads arms

[–]LordofSuns 939 points940 points  (67 children)

He's difficult to work with because he actually respects his characters and their lore within their respective worlds and most writers/behind the scenes creatives don't like that from an actor because it makes their lives harder.

[–][deleted] 335 points336 points  (7 children)

Yeah that’s what I figured and have read a bit about. Fair play to him. He is clearly a fan himself and understands what proper fan bases want, not just crowd pleasing, good for him to stand up for what he believes in and not settle.

[–]b0w3n 88 points89 points  (5 children)

It really upsets producers and showrunners and they will go out of their way to make the other person seem like the bad guy.

There are dozens of ass kissers for Hissrich that show up without fail every time this conversation comes up too. It feels like they're doing that white knight shit because there's no way Hissrich, a middling writer and producer at best, could ever be wrong and Cavill is just a sexist asshole who ignored her and treated her like shit on set. It couldn't be she upset him by constantly ignoring source material to write a show she wanted to write using witcher IP after he championed for it, right?

[–]NotEnoughIT 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I admit I don't get around the internet much, but I've never actually seen anyone involved with the show badmouth Cavil or corroborate any of the "she didn't read the books" stuff. It all seems to be word of mouth friend of a friend mumbo jumbo. The only "news" sources I've seen on any of this are absolute trash celeb sites that are only good for airing commercials during my colonoscopy, and reddit.

[–]b0w3n 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's a lot of word of mouth like any of it. But if I'm going to be fair here, Cavill has a lot of good words of mouth from everyone else but Hissirch and the Witcher writers. That's what really tilted me the other way on it.

[–][deleted] 190 points191 points  (32 children)

He'd be very successful in other lines of work where speaking up with ideas is actually appreciated. Unfortunately he's surrounded by narcissists who take that personally.

[–]FrameJumpTeam Yennefer 78 points79 points  (30 children)

This is off topic, but what lines of work actually appreciate speaking up with ideas?

I've yet to find one.

[–]solidsnake070 100 points101 points  (2 children)

You know how the Rock literally founded a production company so he can create movies with him role playing as himself as the lead each and every time? Yeah, probably something like that.

[–]Rastapopolos-III 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Henry is co-producer on the 40k thing so he's making a start it seems.

[–]mylifeforthehorde 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Start your own company :)

[–]soflahokie 20 points21 points  (10 children)

I do internal consulting and that’s pretty much my entire job, calling out shit that needs to be said

[–]FrameJumpTeam Yennefer 4 points5 points  (8 children)

That sounds like something I'd enjoy, but I probably lack the... I forget the word I'm looking for. I'm very blunt, honest, and don't like fluff or see the point in trying to ease a blow.

In my experience people are either just adamant 'yes men' afraid to rock the boat or take things too emotionally.

In consulting, are you paid for your opinion, and the rest is on them? I assume you are kinda subcontracted out or something?

[–]jgrish14Team Roach 27 points28 points  (3 children)

“Tact” is the word you’re looking for

[–]PhototoxinTeam Triss 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ditto, as much as companies say they like to hear feedback or criticism in y experience that is a lie

[–]artnok 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Consulting

[–]damola93 121 points122 points  (11 children)

Unfortunately for him these people talk, and unlike back in the day where the label would be “Not a team player”, the new labels are much worse because how can you hire someone that’s been labelled a “sexist”? We saw the news reports which likely came from the writers/producers calling him a toxic sexist fanboy because he had questions about the script.

[–]XYcritic 99 points100 points  (7 children)

It's even worse. They attributed misogyny to him for being a gamer....

https://earlygame.com/entertainment/toxic-gamer-henry-cavill-actor-accused-by-the-witcher-staff-member

[–]Novel_Maintenance_88 39 points40 points  (2 children)

That makes me like him more. They loaded the show with women writers, showrunner etc. Then when he speaks up about them crapping all over the books and games, they call him a misogynist. If women make bad decisions, you can't call them out because they are women and that's sexist? What bs. I won't watch season 4 though the last 2.5 episodes of season 3 followed the books more closely imo...

[–]Glup-Shitto69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

last 2.5 episodes of season 3

very, very late

[–]Historyp91 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I like that even the link you just provided here admitted Deuxmoi's claims were bullshit, but you still take it at face value. 🤣

[–]Pun_Chain_Killer 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Deuxmoi is a hateful, toxic moron that rage bait triggers other toxic, hateful, and/or gullible morons into parroting whatever they say.

[–]RepulsiveLook 27 points28 points  (1 child)

He should honestly sue for libel and slander against people making these baseless claims.

[–]Historyp91 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Deuxmoi added a disclaimer to their twitter page to the effect of "we're entertainment, not news; we don't report facts we make things up" (I'm paraphrasing) shortly after they published their "information" about Cavill; a lot of people speculate that was to stop Cavill and/or Netflix from doing just that (or to at least cover their asses if they did)

[–]havok0159Team Yennefer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Ironically many successful shows take into account the suggestion of such actors and end up being better for it. It's one thing to tell a egotistical actor no when it suggests stupid shit, but when you have someone who clearly understands the source material and the actor and you say no, you're just asking for it to bomb.

[–]breezy_bay_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard he respects the people around him too, especially the women that Hollywood tends to want to take advantage of constantly. That probably rubs the creeps in power the wrong way

[–]Owyn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And doesn't donass kissing to Hollywood higher ups so that's two strikes .. what a problem child he is

[–]HoosierBeenJamminTeam Yennefer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It turns out, mass market capitalism doesn’t exactly get along with good artists.

[–]Kipkarmic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I think it was sometimes a power struggle and technically, he was only an actor for The Witcher when he should have been made a producer too. His input was dismissed without that title.

[–]TheBoxSloth 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Yennefers actress had nothing but wonderful things to say about him in some interview that was posted here. Said he was a breath of fresh air to work with because he had so much passion for the material 🥲

[–]nnog 70 points71 points  (18 children)

He's probably incredibly stubborn and unlikely to brown nose and wangle his way into inner Hollywood circles, judging by the fact that Gal Gadot gets to keep wonder woman and he lost superman basically overnight.

[–]Hobgoblin_deluxe 37 points38 points  (13 children)

Plus James Gunn's an egotistical fuckstick. Bear in mind he also shitcanned Ben Affleck (who I actually loved as Batman), simply because they were such massive parts of the Snyderverse.

[–]ElMostaza 22 points23 points  (6 children)

Everyone acted like Gunn was a guaranteed savior for the DC movies. I tried really hard to be optimistic. Then it seemed like he fumbled every single choice and announcement that came his way.

To be honest, I don't even think he should've kept Henry Cavill. I love Cavill as Superman (and in pretty much everything I've seen him in), but the "universe" was just so bad that it needed a 100% clean cut. Everyone had to go. That part seemed so obvious and so simple, so I had a ray of hope when Cavill's departure was announced.

But then Gunn was a big a-hole in all his tweets and such about the Cavill situation, followed immediately by hinting that Momoa, Gadot, and even the child grooming, woman assaulting, cult having Ezra Miller might stick around, and I knew it was DOA.

I think Gunn's DC universe is going to do for the Snyderverse what the Disney Star Wars movies did for the prequels.

[–]BigAwkwardGuy 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Honestly Gadot and Rock would've been my first choices to be cut from the DCEU if I were tasked with a reboot.

Neither of them can act for shit.

[–]Hobgoblin_deluxe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ngl but I actually loved the Snyderverse, so to have Gunn, a rival director, just come in and immediately just shit on everything......I hated it. Like I get he has "a vision", but he doesn't need to be such a bastard in the process. And the way he said he "respects" Henry....that was a lie. He respected him, but not enough to let him keep a job that he was extremely good at???? How much more of a liar can he be.

On top of which, Gunn pretending he is ze great artiste is pretentious as fuck.

[–]Entrefut 59 points60 points  (1 child)

He likely has standards for writing and his characters, which makes him difficult to work with when writing is bad… which has been like 90% of shows lately

[–]youjustgotzinged 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Maybe he didn't let some old Hollywood pervert molest him at an after party and now the old guy has his goons on the job of discrediting him to the extent they can get away with. Spreading rumors of being difficult to work with, snubbing performances, black listing, whatever it is. Happened many times before.

[–]TruShot5 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Dude is just a nerd, and that doesn’t jive with a lot of the regular folks out there. I met him at the holly ren faire in Michigan a few years ago. He was just chillin, regular shirt and all.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

wai-wha-woo-wai-whaaat?!?!? Of all the places him going to the ren fair here just doesnt compute. its flipping awesome. i guess i messed up not feeling like deep fried oreos, a turkey leg and some soup in a bread bowl a few years ago.

[–]thisistheSnydercut 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Difficult to work with... if you're a cunt

[–]JimLahey_of_Izalith 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s the same reason Jenna Ortega gets criticized for giving push back to the writers about her character. If you push against their ideas and force them to do more work, you’re inherently “difficult” to work with. The writers of the Witcher are obviously exempt from criticism, judging how people constantly said they wanted more book accurate stories and they couldn’t have done more the opposite. Now they allegedly blame stupid Americans. So they clearly don’t want to hear anyone’s opinions.

[–]Chewiemuse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

From what ive read, Henry didnt like them messing with the lore of the witcher to the extent of retconning super important events in the name of Feminism or whatever. The Director was super hard for HIM to work with. He loves the lore and hated the direction the writers were taking it I think.

[–]wwaxwork 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They think they hired a dumb pretty boy, then he turns out to have opinions on the character he is playing and the story.

[–]Sk83r_b0i 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’d imagine he’s difficult to work with when the script sucks. Especially if he cares A LOT about it.

[–]SmellyFace69 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I never really liked him until a) he had the answer of "black sabbath" when asked "Beatles or Stones?" and b) The first season of the Witcher really turned things around for me and c) the rumors that he'd be working on the mass effect series (I hope this one is true / comes to fruition)

[–]AlbionEnthusiast 686 points687 points  (68 children)

It’s criminal we never got him as bond. If they do a throwback series going back to the 60’s he is perfect

[–]Quantr0Team Yennefer 457 points458 points  (41 children)

I find it odd that he’s too ‘old’. He doesn’t look old and James Bond looking 30 is dumb as fuck. You’re supposed to be the best spy in British intelligence and a 30 year old is that? I don’t believe it for a minute.

[–]CringeOverseer🌺 Team Shani 188 points189 points  (19 children)

Didn't Connery and Moore play Bond even in their 60s/70s? Cavill is pretty far from that age.

[–]zzonked7[🍰] 139 points140 points  (10 children)

Sean Connery finished aged 40, then came back as a one off aged 52. Roger Moore's final film he was 57.

It's widely accepted now that Roger Moore was far too old to play Bond towards the end.

Ideally they want a Bond who has potential for a 15-20 year run and finishes that in their early 50s at the latest.

Henry Cavill is probably right on the edge of the range, I think he could do it but would be pushing it.

It's a shame because I think he would have been great, but I do think that ship has sailed.

[–]More_Coffees 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I feel like with how healthy he is and how much film technology has advanced it shouldn’t matter as much. He’s going to look better than someone his age looked 30 years ago by far

[–]fuzzylm308 30 points31 points  (3 children)

It's widely accepted now that Roger Moore was far too old to play Bond towards the end.

Roger Moore said, "It wasn’t because of the physical stuff, as I could still play tennis for two hours a day and do a one-hour workout every morning. Physically I was okay, but facially I started looking... well, the leading ladies were young enough to be my granddaughter, and it becomes disgusting."

I think Moore could have been Bond for another couple movies if the series was comfortable giving him a more age-appropriate Bond Girl, but the series is only barely more comfortable doing that now than it was in the 80s.

[–]red__dragon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Moore could have been Bond for another couple movies if the series was comfortable giving him a more age-appropriate Bond Girl, but the series is only barely more comfortable doing that now than it was in the 80s.

I did like that Spectre and NTtD featured older-than-20s Bond Girls. It's far more interesting to see Bond against capable women or self-aware ones than naive playthings the older films made of the women.

[–]Golem30 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I think Henry looks a bit too clean cut and chiselled for Bond. After Craig I think they're going down a more gruff looking type, but who knows.

[–]Quantr0Team Yennefer 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Yea but they want someone young now.

[–]Zerg006 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I think it's because the actor/actress would be signing on for a multi-film contract, and recent Bond movies have had a few years in-between releases. For the most part, older Bond movies came out every year or two, whereas recently it's been every 2-3 years (excluding the most recent one due to Covid) so I don't think they want someone that can only do 2-3 movies before their body can't do it anymore. But this is just my personal take.

[–]sean0883 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Craig was 38 in Casino Royale. 53 in No Time to Die.

Tom Cruise is 61, personally doing more than Bond needs for stunts, much less with a stunt man.

The best parts of Casino Royale and Skyfall were the spy thriller parts.

While I'm sure it's nice, they don't need a young Bond.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Connery was the oldest for sure, Cavill is definitely the perfect age

[–]CommonmispelingbotTeam Roach 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sean Connery ended up looking really creepy with Bond Babes half his age. Pretty sure he even said so himself

[–]Pelagos1 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Was this a given reason? If you look at the age of bond actors their all really old.

[–]AlbionEnthusiast 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Yeah they want to go a younger route. I think the last two were late 30’s early 40’s.

Weird they want to do the early route again as Casino Royale was the early days for Bond.

Give us that 50’s/60’s vibe. We are far removed from Austin powers culturally and Man from UNCLE showed how good Henry would be.

Give me the swinging sixties London. Give me the old school gadgets. A suave Bond is so needed.

Just watch Alex rider if you want a kid.

[–]jloome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bond really should be of his time. The recent movies -- I know people loved Skyfall, but man, it had a lot of dumb holes in it -- weren't very good, Casino Royale excepted.

Reboot each book but set them in their time, the Fifties and early Sixties.

[–]FlamingHotNeato 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The studio mentioned that they want the next bond to be much younger so that they can explore the young bond character. I forget how old exactly but Cavill misses the mark by like 8 years on what they want.

[–]SortaSticky 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Teen Bond, with Teen M and Teen Q and new transfer student from America Teen Felix Unger try to navigate secondary education (and dating!) while dealing with the troublesome leader of of the school's degenerates, Teen Ernie Blofeld while serving in her Majesty's Secret Teenage Service. And introducing Baby Oddjob, sure to win the hearts of audiences everywhere.

[–]FlamingHotNeato 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Can’t wait to see Bonds first car, the 1998 Toyota Corolla with fireworks strapped to it.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (3 children)

You should watch “the man from uncle” it’s a nice film, Henry stars as a spy, he suits the role so perfectly. If you’re wondering if he would be a good James Bond definitely give the movie a watch.

[–]AlbionEnthusiast 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Fantastic movie. Also you could watch The Tudors where Henry is Henry 8th’s best mate. Young Natalie dormer too.

[–]Kanden_27 19 points20 points  (6 children)

We just need another Man from U.N.C.L.E.

[–]dernhelm_nz 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Probably won't happen sadly; for Armie Hammer reasons

[–]facets13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you want a preview or an even better version, watch Man from UNCLE. He plays an American Cold War spy and is amazing. Hands down one of my favorite movies.

[–]DIO_over_Za_Warudo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I mean he kinda did a bit of that in Man from U.N.C.L.E. So honestly I could see him as Bond.

[–]FOSSnaught 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd hate him as bond, just because we'd lose out on him being heavily involved in fantasy adaptations.

Similar to Radcliffe, let the man keep putting out weird shit that no one would be aware of without his name attached. Henry is passionate about nerd shit, don't cram him into an overdone property.

[–]StewartIsHere 466 points467 points  (20 children)

I think certainly in recent memory with the Witcher goings on, Hissrich is a nepo hire that has went in far above her skillset, and her reputation is now mud with viewers. Wouldn't surprise me if they're trying to make him out as bad guy/ throw him under the bus - difficult to work with, obsessed with games, misogynistic because these are popular buzzwords within their circles that they think the general public won't see through because if he's the problem, Hissrich isn't (which is patently untrue!).

I've never been into Warhammer, I don't understand it, or TBH am all that interested in it, but my impression is Cavill has much more creative control, and on that basis I'm keen to give it a go.

[–]mothmanr6Regis 97 points98 points  (5 children)

I think you have a very solid point. Their version of difficult to work with actually translates to, he didn't do exactly what we wanted him to do when we wanted it, so he's difficult and we need to try to ruin his career.

This whole thing reminds me of that high school clique that would ostracize and spread rumors about someone if they didn't do what the in crowd wanted.

[–]CasualGamerMWE 11 points12 points  (0 children)

there's probably also an element of finding a scapegoat for the state of the show.

if the producers admit fault they won't be hired again (highly competitive industry), so they're looking to blame Cavill instead of themselves.

[–]RandomlyMethodical 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Perfect example here:

Henry Cavill reportedly refused to do all shirtless scenes in ‘The Witcher’

Other claims revolve around Cavill’s behaviour being “completely fucked” on set.

Someone is trying very hard to throw Henry under the bus for any problems with the show.

[–]StewartIsHere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This should have more up votes! Does read like the production team are trying to brief the press against him. I hope he’s not signed anything that would prohibit him talking about his experience honestly. I suspect it would be eye opening and very jaw dropping. The rumours about the Roach scene (Hissrich wanted it to be a funny moment/ Cavill refused and came up with the monologue, which turned out to be one of the few solid moments within the series) - I suspect there are a lot of battles Cavill didn’t win that would have made the series significantly less of a bad joke.

[–]Noble1296 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This, exactly this. That’s exactly what Hollywood is trying to do to Mr. Cavill

[–]Chi1dishAlbinoQuen 38 points39 points  (7 children)

Hissrich is a nepo hire? Whose family is she from?

[–]Kylar_Stern 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Her husband is a very powerful producer. Remember West Wing and Shameless?

[–]Pyronaut44Aard 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Her husband is an Emmy winning Exec.

[–]SpaceBoJangles 14 points15 points  (1 child)

If Henry does it honoring the source (which he always does, bless him), it’s going to be a gritty, dark, violent, epic war film with multiple sides that only qualify as “good” because they don’t torture people as bad as the others.

It’s going to be insane and I’m all here for it. Especially if he is the emperor XD

[–]TheMogician 123 points124 points  (17 children)

At least we are getting Warhammer from him, so yay!

[–]Guillermidas 35 points36 points  (10 children)

Hope its some Inquisitor story. I know he’s great for some Primarchs and even the Emperor, but its better to start small with 40k for a broader audience, and Inquisition is the best approach for this while also introducing to most of the setting.

We dont need another failure like Warcraft was, even if the movie was okey-ish.

[–]Jaevric 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I'm kind of hoping for the Eisenhorn/Ravenor series, except I'm scared to be that optimistic.

Space Marines are cool and all, but it feels like it would be hard to tell a compelling story with "people" who are as divorced from humanity as the Astartes.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Ciaphus Cain would be the perfect entry point for Warhammer media. A dashing hero with a comical sidekick who bumble their way into fighting every major enemy in the Warhammer universe.

[–]Jaevric 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I thought about that, too, and I can absolutely see Henry Cavill as Ciaphas Cain physically.

Might be easier to stomach for non-WH40K fans than an Inquisition series, too.

[–]Okichah 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Its just 30 minute episodes of Cavill playing with his figurines and making all the sound effects himself.

[–]BigBoyShaunzee 535 points536 points  (15 children)

I assumed it's because he's from the UK and he doesn't follow their social norms to suck up to the people at the top and accept whatever you're given until you reach Johnny Depp/Leonardo DiCaprio levels where you can do that all you want so long as you don't offend the people who are responsible for every major problem plaguing the world today.

[–][deleted] 228 points229 points  (3 children)

Yeah, he seems content to live his own life. He's basically an outsider, from what I can tell. He probably wouldn't get much work if he wasn't charismatic af and immensely popular.

The fact Hollywood isn't beating his door down to give him more work says a lot about what a circlejerk the whole thing is.

[–]FlopsMcDoogle 58 points59 points  (2 children)

Dude, as soon as he left Witcher he was able to pick his next project immediately(Warhammer). I'm sure tons tried to snatch him up right away.

[–]Kejilko 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I doubt that decision happened right away, you heard about one right after the other but most likely he started thinking about leaving the Witcher, started hearing hums about Warhammer and eventually said fuck it and started planning leave one and make an agreement with the other and only afterwards, I'm sure for marketing and image of both the Witcher and Henry, the two were announced fairly close to one another.

[–]Mixtopher 74 points75 points  (0 children)

I don't think a more accurate response could have been made. Spot on 👏

[–]merutz 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. It’s a sleazy field of work. People like to own you and with him being self-made and that handsome it’s super easy to see how higher ups can end up doing him wrong just out of spite or not being conforming like their usual yes-man.

[–]Billy1121 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Well they said Val Kilmer did not "play the game" meaning socialize heavily with powerful producers and studio people. His career dried up. But Val Kilmer also famously came off as a dick.

Cavill has no history of being a jerk, to my knowledge.

[–]Hobgoblin_deluxe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But Val also played his roles so well a lot of them are now cult. Doc and Iceman, in particular.

[–]Karman4o 35 points36 points  (10 children)

After the Witcher departure and him beiing booted out of the DCU, I was fully expecting some metoo allegations to come out shortly, and the studios were doing pre-emptive damage control based on early rumours.

But that doesn't seem to be the case, probably he is just unlucky.

[–]Karest27 97 points98 points  (11 children)

I'd say after the results of the new Witcher season, no one is going to believe Henry is the one to blame for being hard to work with. It seems fairly obvious at this point who was actually fucking everything up, and even worse wants to point the blame on anyone themselves. It can't be the producers fault after all, that's just crazy talk.

[–]naretoigres 100 points101 points  (4 children)

Hollywood? The same pricks and cunts who don’t want to pay worker a fair share?

[–]BackAlleySurgeon 59 points60 points  (2 children)

I think it comes down to the fact that he looks perfect for these roles and he's not being hired for his opinions. Essentially, he's being objectified. Every comment he makes comes off as "mouthy," and makes him "hard to work with," because the suits want him seen and not heard.

[–]FehnderTeam Yennefer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This, is a really interesting perspective.

[–]tarantulawarfare[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree he’s being objectified, and they want to punish him to “put him in his place.” They want his highly desirable looks and body to do with as they wish, but they don’t want the brains that come with it, because brains make decisions and hamper their exploitation. They see him and want him as the muscly, dumb lug sex object.

I’m glad he’s smart, and I hope he will stick to his guns. I’d rather see him less on screen in quality roles than his spirit broken doing lots of steaming garbage.

[–]TheTelegraph[S] 103 points104 points  (1 child)

He was perfect as The Witcher, even better as Superman and is one of Bond's great ‘what ifs’. When will Hollywood unlock his true powers?

Read more: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2023/08/03/henry-cavill-witcher-netflix-superman-wonder-woman/

[–]Xebazz 13 points14 points  (0 children)

He is "difficult" because he's not a "yes man". Fuck Hollywood anyway...

[–]BerkoBaggins 28 points29 points  (2 children)

I think there wil be lots of great roles for him in the future. He has shown great talent for drama and subtle comedy. There is no need for him to become a great actor in the sense that Al Pacino or Dustin Hoffman. He can be a great lead as we have seen. I hope he finds some nuanced roles because Geralt was supposed to be it. Geralt was not a dimensional character as it was shown in the show.

[–]TheRealPenanc3 32 points33 points  (1 child)

He's fantastic at subtle comedy. He was a treat to watch in The Man from U.N.C.L.E.

[–]Persona_Insomnia 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Because he has integrity.

[–]DNY88 17 points18 points  (0 children)

"After being mucked about by the industry for 20 years, maybe the only person Cavill can trust in Hollywood is himself."

True.

[–]griffin4war 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Because Henry Cavil actually cares about his projects and his performance. He will call out the writers and directors on their bullshit. They hate him for it. They want actors who don’t care and will just read the lines and then shut up.

[–]Guillermidas 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The God Emperor of Mankind does not need approval of lesser mortals.

[–]ArchtectsTeam Triss 52 points53 points  (3 children)

One day, I want to be rich, I want to remake the witcher series. With henry and other fans of the show helping create it.

I've actually considered how id go about it as well.
Id start with the Blood of elves, and slide in the short stories (from the first two books) as flashbacks through out the series. Ones that have specific links to what could be coming up next for backstory or explain something.

I actually like the concept of a CIRI show, like it being called "The lion cub".
Where we explore ciri after the fact (end of books Beginning of game) Be such a cool concept to explore.

Another show that explores all the lore and schools of the witchers and all the different ones. including the cat lore.

[–]JumpingCoconutMonkey 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Please hurry up and get rich.

[–]ctesla01 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'll play lotto for you..

[–]Nate_The_Scot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because he tends to side more with the fandom and geeks/nerds/gamers/readers that hollywood HATES, than with the hollywood machine.

He would be called a "toxic fan" if he wasn't one of the biggest names in Hollywood lol. Tbh it sounds like Lauren S Pissrich and her ilk still think of him like that anyway.

They don't like that he respects the source material, is passionate about the projects he is involved with, and in his spare time is a massive "gamerbro" who played WoW and Warhammer40k and of course The Witcher games.

He's basically everything they hate, and try to demonize constantly in the MSM, and the fact he's beloved by fans and is known for being a class act, makes them even more mad.

Remember, these are the people who say "respect the source material" is an alt right dogwhistle (whatever the fuck that means).

[–]BeakersBro 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He was really good in the Enola Holmes films as Sherlock

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s probably because he doesn’t play politics.

[–]Mr_Jensen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hope he’s having a great time playing BG3 this weekend

[–]DemiDivine 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Anyone who hates Henry, I hate.

[–]devilsresidence:show::games: Books 1st, Show 2nd, Games 3rd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Reading it made me sad 😥

[–]ancorcaioch 12 points13 points  (0 children)

As far as actors go, he’s as real as it gets. Some people just want their employees to be fake I guess, and that’s the vast majority of Hollywood unfortunately. Hating someone for being different. How ironic.

[–]SableShrike 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This’s Netflix using viewership to steer the series direction.

What they, and Disney, are learning the hard way is that the fickle casual viewer doesn’t stick around long.

And when you pander to the casual viewer by pissing off diehard fans…

Well, evetually NO ONE bothers to watch it.

[–]LisForLaura 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because he cares and won’t just put up and shut up like the rest of the Hollywood phonies.

[–]Xyvexa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's obvious, he won't give the producers what they want. His back door

[–]ZoharModifier9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because he says "No".

[–]waltandhankdie 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Being brutally honest he is an A lister because of his looks and physicality rather than because he is an incredible actor (he is good without being standout). He was a good Geralt and was very unlucky Netflix shit the bed with this series. I think the reason he gets disrespected is because people don’t see him as a serious ‘Oscar winning performance’ actor and think he will just do as he’s told for a paycheque. He probably ends up having more opinions than they want him to because he respects source material and wants to be seen as a more serious actor.

[–]red367 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He’s a chad white guy who grew up as a chubby nerd. The former is largely not in vogue in Hollywood. The latter placed him culturally not on the same wavelength.

Generally, Hollywood is an entire industry of theatre kids from your high school. Cavill is chessclub.

Cavill cares about source material, Hollywood doesn’t; why? That theatre vs chess dichotomy is directionally why.

[–]Hobgoblin_deluxe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

James Gunn was a complete fucking douchbag to him. Like, he probably shitcanned him from his Superman role because he's such a massive part of the Snyderverse.

[–]Stealthy_Facka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not toeing the line

[–]Aezetyr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because he's a modern role model for masculinity and thinks in his own way instead of being told what to think.

[–]Da1realBigA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Henry Cavill and Emilia Clarke, both part of huge IP's, and for some reason both haven't finished strong.

Cavil - Superman - Witcher

Emilia - GoT - Terminator - Secret Invasion

At least Henry Cavill had MI.

[–]Own_Cryptographer_99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Henry Cavill is not only an actor, he is a fan. If there is one thing that we should have learned recently, it's that Hollywood hates the fans. Simple enough really.

[–]wclevel47nice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’d imagine he keeps saying “no” to some seedy shit they want him to do. I assume that’s why all entertainers who suddenly get shunned, get shunned

[–]Thrallov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

with how often it happens, idk if he is hard to work with? noone likes purists same with people who refuse to cooperate with rest, like doing promotions for movies as actor

[–]FearlessAssistance94 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cavill was 100% right about season 3. I have held out trying to be more supportive of Netflix, but jesus, they fucked every piece up. Cavill was right to leave. I just turned the show off for the 3rd time. I tried so fucking hard. God what a let down.

I hope he is redeemed one day. He got fucked over badly

[–]Death1323 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I mean, this is the guy that said he's afraid of hitting on girls because he doesn't want to be called a rapist so...

[–]Pillsburydinosaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Warhammer 40k being like a cross between Event Horizon and Game of Thrones would be incredibly successful. I hope he gets a legit chance to make it happen.

[–]isamura 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are we talking about the same Hollywood who undervalues writing talent, and wants to use AI to replace humans?

[–]adds102 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sad we won’t get a sequel to The Man From UNCLE, very underrated film!

[–]UnbreakableLegacy77 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He was awesome in Man of steel . The movie plot dragged him down tbh. So couldn't agree more !

[–]Violentcloud13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a level of respect Cavill has for source material in general, as a concept, that Hollywood and most writers simply do not. It used to be that writers acknowledged source material, and then if they wanted to go in their own direction, it would be a neutral kind of affair. But lately - as I'm sure fans of properties like Halo and The Witcher have noticed - writers who do not respect the source material have an almost palpable disdain for it. As though this thing that millions of people already love needs to be broken, stripped for parts, and then reconfigured with the writers' own takes like some kind of Frankenstein's monster.

Cavill is the kind of guy that sees that trend and is like, "No." Because he's one of us. He knows what the source material is supposed to look like when adapted, so when they try and fuck with it, it's just an instinctual pushback from him on it. Like a child who sees something strange and points it out, without any regard for whatever bullshit adult social conventions or rules might be preventing others from speaking up about the wrongness.

Hollywood cant handle that. They're about control. Controlling people who are not willing to sell out is hard. Dave Chapelle, Henry Cavill, anyone who will walk away from millions of dollars out of creative differences. They're thorns.

[–]Arsenal019 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He is a masculine man, a nerd, and seems to be really involved with the witcher series having played it appreciated it like i’m sure most of us do. They want to do what they want to do, feel threatened by him and his critique so they label him a misogynist to detract from their own shortcomings and biases against him.

[–]beetsu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve never watched a bad performance coming out of Henry. Great looks, exceptional dedication in the work he does, overall cool guy… the only thing that occurs to me is that he doesn't want to play by Hollywood's rules.

[–]Javichuck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He has the respect from the audience which will transform into numbers on next projects.

[–]Thatmadmankatz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Wait… Henry is no longer Superman but Godet is Wonder Woman… that dosnt make sense. Just replace the main heroes.

[–]LongjumpMidnight 4 points5 points  (1 child)

He wants input in the franchises he takes part in. It’s clear he did not gel with the crew of The Witcher because they disagreed. As for DC they were scared to use Superman after Justice League flopped, and Cavill wouldn’t return unless he was allowed more control. By the time someone wanted to do another Superman movie it’s for a different creative vision, just an unfortunate situation.