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[–]Mopso 3959 points3960 points  (191 children)

Here's pretty common to talk about how hot underage Lindsay Lohan use to looked, and then bash her about aging or drug abuse

[–]DotA__2 1877 points1878 points  (138 children)

i thought she was super hot. in my defense she's older than me though.

[–]Very_Good_Opinion 1626 points1627 points  (71 children)

I think about this a lot. I grew up on the internet and I was younger or the same age as many of these child actresses.

I would see people commenting on them being hot/attractive and I agreed, thinking little of it. Some comments were crass but it was the internet and no filter jokes were common.

It was only later I realized that, without realizing it, I kind of assumed every commenter was my age too. They obviously weren't though; even now I often catch myself reading comments as if they're from someone in their late 20s when I'm often probably talking to 14 year olds and 50 year olds in the same topic.

Olsen Twins countdown seemed funny to me but I was younger than they were. I think anonymity is important on the Internet but it has a side effect of normalizing many things, age disparity being a big one.

[–]Ramennoodler1 341 points342 points  (19 children)

TBH 11 year old me thought she was the shit

[–]l-rs2 239 points240 points  (5 children)

I despise those articles that match photos of actors (women and men) in their prime to crap paparazzi shots of them doing grocery shopping, out of designer clothes and make-up for once or (the worst) at their lowest due to ill health, drugs or weight gain. "Look how fucked up they've become!" Vile stuff.

[–]BayerWhite 5059 points5060 points  (623 children)

I don't know if this is common in other countries but we do this a lot to adolescent girls in media: movies, tv, music in the United States. Joke about them being jailbait, fetishizing them sexually. It must be a deeply weird experience to grow up with that kind of twisted public attention.

[–]titty_boobs 1195 points1196 points  (73 children)

It for sure happens in other countries. Big examples would be things like:

British tabloids were notorious for running countdowns for models 16th birthdays when they'd be able to take and publish nude photo-shoots.

In France they had Alizee (if you've ever been on the internet you've probably seen her dancing in thigh high boots). People were going nuts over her with the sexual song Moi... Lolita and skimpy outfits when she was 15.

That fake lesbian Russian duo, t.A.T.u. who were famous for making out on stage, they were 14 and 15 when they started that.

[–][deleted] 456 points457 points  (19 children)

I didn’t realize they were so young when they started out. I loved tATu.

[–]3percentinvisible 75 points76 points  (15 children)

I didn't realize they were fake.

[–]EllenPaoIsDumb 123 points124 points  (13 children)

And one of them is an outspoken homophobe.

[–]40gallonbreeder 27 points28 points  (10 children)

I wonder why

[–]EllenPaoIsDumb 266 points267 points  (1 child)

Because of all the things she said running through her head

[–]sensitiveinfomax 209 points210 points  (16 children)

They were that young? That's so scary and weird.

[–]vodkaandponies 1674 points1675 points  (208 children)

This website literally had entire prominent subreddit dedicated to sexuallising young girls.

[–]taxidermic 1246 points1247 points  (195 children)

It still does, r/starlets is basically r/jailbait just without jailbait in the title. I found out about it on one of the "most disturbing subreddits" askredit posts

[–]F00dbAby 1368 points1369 points  (239 children)

I think it’s starting to happen to adolescent boys too. Namely mike from stranger things. Some of the comments towards him a disgusting

[–]sonfoa 1511 points1512 points  (131 children)

starting to happen to adolescent boys too

There were tons of middle-aged women getting the hots for Taylor Lautner and Justin Beiber when both were like 16.

[–]Number_J 216 points217 points  (5 children)

It’s not ‘starting’ to happen. It always has.

Edit: fixed typo

[–]MyPacman 566 points567 points  (70 children)

That is what makes it so urgent we deal with this. It shouldn't be a norm to sexualise children. Full stop.

[–]CalcioMilan 13.0k points13.0k points  (668 children)

Growing up and seeing how britney spears was portrayed at 16 was pretty disgusting, also I think they had her on talk shows talking about her virginity and stuff. Its super fucking weird. I heard the girl who plays Eleven from stranger things was put on a list of sexiest women, wtf.

Another thing that's fucked up with hollywood is how girls in their 20s maybe even 30s can play young college freshmen or high school aged girls. It really fucks up perspective of children when they are portrayed as sexy and really young in media. But they are actually fully matured women.

[–]Shadelamp8765 5371 points5372 points  (356 children)

I was always confused as a young person under 18 when I saw people who were supposed to be my age on tv played by 30 year olds with tons of makeup.

[–]DemissiveLive 2705 points2706 points  (200 children)

I always assumed they use young 20s actors for high school roles due to child labor laws

[–]clorisland 4848 points4849 points  (155 children)

I always assumed it was because kids are terrible actors

[–]addictedtodreams 245 points246 points  (9 children)

I always assumed Americans grow up really fast

[–][deleted] 86 points87 points  (1 child)

Yeah. Me too. Growing up watching American movies, I always assumed they grow up fast.

Until I got older

[–]ThreeTo3d 453 points454 points  (58 children)

One night I was bored and I looked up the ages of the cast of Friends when the first season aired. All mid-to-early 20s if I remember correctly. I compared that to the cast of Friday Night Lights (playing high schoolers). Mid to late 20s. One may have even been 30. Kinda shocking.

[–]sharpshooter999 326 points327 points  (21 children)

Didn't they have an episode where some of them turned 30 and were freaking out that they were old? Last movie I saw with Jennifer Aniston was We're the Millers and she's being a MILF/stripper.

[–]ThreeTo3d 312 points313 points  (20 children)

Yeah that was an episode. If it makes you feel better, Matt LeBlanc had to dye his hair for almost the entirety of his time on Friends.

And yes, Jennifer Aniston is still gorgeous.

[–]Luke90210 44 points45 points  (2 children)

Matt LeBlanc went full gray/white at an earlier age than most men. It wasn't a consequence of aging like most people.

[–]AdvisesPTTs 20 points21 points  (0 children)

They're all still gorgeous and, more importantly, still Friends!

[–]thoroakenfelder 90 points91 points  (8 children)

When Buffy the Vampire Slayer came out, the youngest cast member was Sarah Michelle Gellar at 20. Nicholas Brendon was 26 and Charisma Carpenter was 27. David Boreanaz was 28. Alyson Hannigan and Seth Green were both 23. They could have been the cast of Friends instead of supposedly a bunch of High Schoolers.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

David was supposed to be playing 25 but the rest of them 16… And Charisma’s transition to Angel the series made for some gross stuff with young Connor.

[–]bowlingdoughnuts 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Tom Welling was almost thirty when he was playing a 14 year old Clark Kent.

[–][deleted] 694 points695 points  (43 children)

The complex it creates for older women too, because they can be expected to look like young chicks if some women do it.

[–]KinkySecretly 559 points560 points  (39 children)

They have 20 year olds playing 17 year old girls, and 30 year old actresses playing their mothers.

[–]alQamar 138 points139 points  (11 children)

The hispanic mom and daughter duo in Orange is the new black is just a few years apart. Being cast as the “old” mother must feel horrible.

Edit: it’s two years.

[–]Bottled-In-Bond 1923 points1924 points  (83 children)

Luckily, the “Sexiest woman award” she received was a poor translation of “hottest women in hollywood” in the context that “hottest” meant “most popular currently”. Just an FYI.

[–]Morningxafter 645 points646 points  (64 children)

Oh thank god. That would be pretty fucked up for a 13 year old to be on a list of sexiest women.

[–]acu2005 312 points313 points  (9 children)

Doesn't mean she isn't being sexualized, one magazine was complaining that a dress she wore to some awards thing made her features look flat or something along those lines. Like what the fuck.

[–]Morningxafter 77 points78 points  (1 child)

Oh I definitely agree there. I was simply saying that in that particular case it wasn’t a sexual thing. I definitely agree that it’s super gross what the media as a whole does to young actresses like her.

[–][deleted] 2446 points2447 points  (83 children)

A lot of people are saying this happened because she was put into this particular role. But Emma Watson wasn't in adult roles in the beginning, and neither was Miley Cyrus. Can we move past that point please.

[–]kaylatastikk 1572 points1573 points  (42 children)

Olsen Twins. They were so fucking wholesome. Even when they hit teenaged years and all the other movies and shows about girls that age had actresses in their twenties starting, the Olsens were relatable. It’s genuinely sickening as an adult to remember how normaliz d their fetishizationwas, even to one only a little younger than them.

[–]addpulp 457 points458 points  (22 children)

When I was a teenager, I remember reading a bunch of "when these girls turn 18" comments.

Now, discuss the Olsens or Lohan and grown men twice their age act as if they are disgusting.

[–]Crunkbutter 369 points370 points  (11 children)

The Olsen twins were smart to get out. They said they felt like "little performer monkeys" and didn't want to do it anymore. I wonder if it's because they had each other, whereas other child stars might only be surrounded by adults who want to profit off them, or other kids in the same spot.

I wish Lindsey Lohan and her twin could've helped each other that way.

[–]demilitarized_zone 174 points175 points  (1 child)

I wish Lindsey Lohan and her twin could've helped each other that way.

I guess since they lived in different countries it wasn’t that easy to support each other.

[–]earthlings_all[🍰] 68 points69 points  (0 children)

It didn’t help how the parents pretty much ripped them apart and isolated them from each other.

[–]OreoIceCreamSandwich 149 points150 points  (13 children)

There was an actual sketch on MadTV about the Olsen Twins turning 18

[–]mundotaku 231 points232 points  (6 children)

Dude, I remember people counting for the girl actress in Harry Potter. Some people are disgusting.

[–]TrollPoster469 9882 points9883 points  (874 children)

It’s terrible how young actresses are sexualizrd and treated. Mara Wilson wrote an article recently, I can’t remember for what site, but it was about how magazines were calling the girl from Stranger Things “all grown up” because she was thirteen now. Mara shared experiences how she’d get letters from perverts when she was a preteen.

[–][deleted] 3231 points3232 points  (151 children)

[–]grae313 2657 points2658 points  (36 children)

This wasn't really the thesis of her article, but it's a thought that stood out to me when I first read this many months ago and it's stayed with me:

But the media has become democratized; social media and user-generated content mean anyone can write about anyone, and there is a good chance anyone will see it. We are all part of the media, but I don’t know if we’ve realized that yet, nor understood what a tremendous responsibility that is.

Kind of profound. We think about the sort of ethics we'd like to have in journalism, but don't apply the same standards to what we post on facebook and reddit. Maybe we should be.

[–][deleted] 242 points243 points  (108 children)

And also Cracked

[–]Marquis_Of_Wu 243 points244 points  (95 children)

I remember the one she wrote for Cracked, it was back when I was big into that site. It was a great read.

[–]doorbellguy 381 points382 points  (87 children)

Me too. I was so into cracked at one point, not missing any new post even started remembering favorite writer names.
Then one day it snapped, just left browsing the website and never looked back. Strange.

*To add a little, they used to be my perfect escape during teenage years. Plenty of categories to browse, funny captions, plus the titles and stories felt like a better version of buzzfeed.

[–]Marquis_Of_Wu 195 points196 points  (48 children)

Same here! David Wong was my main go to, but I had a strong love for Mr. John Cheese, Dan and Jack O'Brien, among others.

[–]ejchristian86 482 points483 points  (56 children)

It's not just actresses this happens to, but girls in general. I was 12 the first time a grown man made inappropriate sexual comments to/about me. Most women I know started getting g similar treatment around the same age, some even younger (like 8-10).

[–]tritrek 321 points322 points  (15 children)

yeah, me too. My dad was having some of his friends over when I went to give him a kiss goodnight (like I always did), wearing my pyjamas. One of his friends commented that I had little boobs and had started to look like a woman, and wanted me to come give him a kiss too. I was a kid. I think there was some shocked reactions, and I was immediately send upstairs. Somehow I thought it was my fault, and oh the SHAME I felt for the longest time! I stopped kissing my dad goodbye and definitely started to be conscious of my body in a bad way. :(

[–]balaayo 205 points206 points  (10 children)

Dad shoulda thrown him out wtf.

[–]tritrek 180 points181 points  (6 children)

He might have after I was send upstairs (for my own safety, I see now). I remember feeling upset and shamed, so there might have been some arguing or tension after that, that I don't remember clearly anymore. Unfortunately my parents never mentioned it again, and I internalized it as my own fault for a long time.

[–]th3se_vibez 69 points70 points  (1 child)

I was 11 when a group of strange older men groped me in public

[–]WitherWithout 27 points28 points  (0 children)

There was a study done and 12 was the mean age where girls first started noticing men looking at them sexually.

[–]Starbbhp 41 points42 points  (0 children)

My daughter got cat called by a man driving in a neighborhood when she was 12. She said she and her friend got freaked out by it and ran down a few streets and through some yards to put some distance between themselves and the guy in the car.

[–]smuggleskittens 59 points60 points  (1 child)

Yep, I was 13 when it first happened to me. This was about the mid 90s.

On a trip with my mom and we were walking through the hotel lobby in the evening. Some older men, maybe late 30's or early 40's watched me and one had the gall to follow us and knock on our hotel door to ask if I could come out and hang with them.

I can't recall everything my mother said, but I do recall her ending the rant with she's only 13 and shutting the door in his face.

Pretty scary to think that if he really wanted to "hang" he could've made it happen. :-/

[–][deleted] 1130 points1131 points  (214 children)

Whenever i see this creepy shit going on in Hollywood I get a little bit scared for Millie Bobby Brown, and the rest of the kid actors for stranger things.

Considering how much of a fan I am of the show and, resultingly, the actors, it’d mess me up if something bad of this type of bad happened to them

[–]MasterCookSwag 984 points985 points  (110 children)

They're already sexualizing her. There was talk in some magazine recently about how she's all gown up with some comments on her figure. I mean she's barely a goddamn teenager yet.

[–]ILoveWildlife 190 points191 points  (4 children)

I literally googled her name because I don't watch stranger things, and the top 3 news stories are about who she's dating, and that she looks like natalie portman.

what the fuck is wrong with people obsessing over celebrities?

[–]Hyperdrunk 541 points542 points  (71 children)

It's really gross. All you have to do is look at Game of Thones / Maisie Williams & Sophie Turner. People were sexualizing them long before they hit 18. Maisie was 11, and Sophie 12 when they started shooting. Both started getting sexualized by fans at minimum by season 3 (14 and 15). Especially after Maisie's boobs started showing.

Now both are "legal" and it's "not a big deal", but given that neither have a sexual role in the show (literally the only sex either have is when (SPOILERS) one of them is raped ).

But anyone who followed the show could see that the sexualization of her happened long before they were of age.


To use another example, that girl from Kick Ass whose name I can't remember right now was all over Reddit and other sites long before she was of age as well. People were literally counting down the days until she were "legal".

I'll finish the post how I started it: It's really gross.

[–][deleted] 350 points351 points  (20 children)

I always find it weird when people "count down" the years until a child star becomed "legal". It's not any less predatory to essentially wait for a minor to turn 18 than it would be if you creeped on them as a minor.

[–]ItalicsWhore 532 points533 points  (27 children)

So, I do Lighting for Special Events. Concerts, parties, award shows. One of the big gigs I did recently was the arrivals for the Emmys, the Red Carpet. Part of my job is to make sure that everything power and lighting wise is perfect during the gig. So I have to be on the carpet. When the boys showed up they came as a pack. You can tell they’re all friends IRL and ran up and down playing around and saying “let’s go over here! Let’s talk to them!” And having a good time. They were the bell of the ball this year, everyone wanted to talk to the Stranger Things kids. Then Millie showed up, I think with her mom, but when she hit the carpet her mom (maybe agent?) stepped aside and let her start the interviews alone. Now, this is really how it always goes with celebrities that bring their fam/friends that aren’t famous - no one wants them in the shot. But the look on her face when she was left alone to these screaming TV hosts broke my heart. I realized looking at her that this was just some 12 year old girl that was completely anonymous 2 years ago. Just 2 years ago. Let THAT sink in. Now she’s having to go on live TV by herself on the carpet. I’m sure she did just fine, but myself having a 14 year old sister it really made me sad for what kid celebrities have to go through. Especially since the boys seem to have each other to lean on and she did the whole thing alone.

Edit: So I know this will look like I’m part of the problem (sharing this here) and to an extent I guess I am. But when you’re on the carpet you’re only thinking “oh cool it’s Eleven!” It wasn’t until I put my phone down and really looked that I saw a 12 year old girl that seemed shocked, alone, and kinda scared. But I actually have a picture of what fame can look like for a young person. I think this kind of thing is important: to remember that they’re just people like us and for some they’re very young people. At 12 I was worried about my art class grade and when to kiss my girlfriend for the first time not what to say on National TV.

[–]perfectday4bananafsh 162 points163 points  (9 children)

Especially since the boys seem to have each other to lean on and she did the whole thing alone.

This is intentional. Millie's parents are the puppet masters behind how she is portrayed, it's not her own choice.

[–]ykickamoocow111 31 points32 points  (8 children)

I think there was a story a year or so ago about Millie's father being really demanding, or something to do with her father and her management.

[–]greyingjay 268 points269 points  (5 children)

And you just know that the plan for her to arrive separately from the boys was set up purely for publicity and exposure. She was just as much friends with the boys as they are with each other. Man, let them all be kids and all hang out together. Why separate her from the boys for the sake of extra glamour shots.

[–]crashboom 456 points457 points  (31 children)

I feel sorry for Millie Bobby Brown. She is really talented but she has a crazy stage dad. He made bad press a couple years ago demanding $100,000 from an agency just for signing her (that's not how it works), apparently he gets "final say" on every outfit she wears, the family basically spent all their money for the sake of helping her career... Makes you think the girl must be under a lot of awful pressure. I hope she has adults in her life looking out for her best interests.

[–]Vkca 280 points281 points  (3 children)

On beyond stranger things she talks about Winona taking her under her wing/being close with her so there's some hope at least

[–]Valiantheart 127 points128 points  (13 children)

I hope an agent or someone puts her money someplace her folks cant touch it before its too late.

[–]thecostly 309 points310 points  (12 children)

Actually at least 15% of her money is put aside for her automatically. It’s in an account for when she turns 18 and her parents can’t touch it. It’s called the Coogan Act and it was put into place for this very reason.

[–]Im_like_whaaat 242 points243 points  (4 children)

High 5 for the Coogan Act!! Named after Jackie Coogan aka ‘the kid’ from the famous Charlie Chaplin film, and later played Uncle Fester in Addams Family. He discovered he was broke by the time he became an adult, because his parents spent all his money. (I did a report on this in Junior high, like 25 years ago. Got an A! The story always stuck with me.)

[–]hover_force 135 points136 points  (3 children)

It's believed Jackie Coogan earned about $3-4 million. His father supposedly invested his money conservatively but died in a car accident six months before Coogan turned 21.

The next year, Coogan's mother remarried and his fortune was gone. His step father and mother had spent his entire earnings except for $250,000. Coogan, after legal fees ended up with about half of what was left. So, a little over 4% of a conservative estimate of his total earnings.

Coogan's mother and step father spent approximately $53-71 million in 2018 dollars.

[–]8__D 1482 points1483 points  (133 children)

It's not just the female actors. Recently Finn Wolfhard has been over-sexualized and harassed.

[–]vanoreo 382 points383 points  (19 children)

On a related note, I've been seeing a lot of stuff on Twitter about romance drama between Millie Bobby Brown and Jacob Sartorius, and whenever I see it, all I can think is: "Aren't they like 14? This is weird."

EDIT: Jacob, not Jason

[–]accdodson 190 points191 points  (6 children)

Yeah it’s one thing for two sixteen year olds to date, who cares. But for them to be a celebrity couple... people need to chill with that shit. Can you imagine if people were watching your every move interacting with your girlfriend at 16???

[–]miniaturizedatom 36 points37 points  (0 children)

i thought you were suggesting a romance between thirteen-year-old child actor Millie Bobby Brown and the late, legendary jazz bassist Jacob Pastorius at first, and it confused the heck out of me

[–]Wedge09 550 points551 points  (86 children)

True, wasn't there a pic on Reddit a few weeks back showing a tweet someone posted about how He makes her feel horny? He was rocking this white t-shirt in a 50's Mick Jagger / Bob Dylan look

[–]IrNinjaBob 775 points776 points  (76 children)

Not directly that he made her horny. It was a 26-28 year old model who said “Not to be weird but hit me up in four years.”

Actually, now that I say that, you are probably right and there are just multiple instances of people creeping on him.

[–]TinyEyedCrimsonChin 15.3k points15.3k points  (1573 children)

"A countdown was started on my local radio show to my 18th birthday -- euphemistically the date that I would be legal to sleep with," she said.

That’s so gross

[–][deleted] 4327 points4328 points  (229 children)

I remember Emma Watson saying the same thing. That the paparazzi had a countdown to her 18th birthday.

She said

"I remember on my 18th birthday I came out of my birthday party and photographers laid down on the pavement and took photographs up my skirt, which were then published on the front of the English tabloid [newspapers] the next morning.

If they had published the photographs 24 hours earlier they would have been illegal, but because I had just turned 18 they were legal"

[–]CrimsonPig 3246 points3247 points  (101 children)

I think when you reach the point where you're laying down on the pavement, waiting for the opportunity to take an upskirt of a just-barely legal young woman, which you'll later sell to a tabloid for the world to see, you should probably start questioning the choices you've made in life.

[–]misogichan 961 points962 points  (15 children)

At that point I think you're just waiting for a millionaire star to get fed up and lash out at you. Cue major lawsuit and you finally quitting that awful job as you whistle your way to the bank.

[–]btribble 80 points81 points  (3 children)

I remember when people online were posting “1 more month” captioned images of Emma online.

[–]burfriedos 176 points177 points  (16 children)

Ricky Gervais's speech in extras comes to mind: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1I1P7ncmRGo

[–]Homerpaintbucket 70 points71 points  (7 children)

That was a really good scene. I've never watched the show, and i have no idea what the context was but holy shit did Ricky Gervais move me right there.

[–]WayneGretzky99 263 points264 points  (18 children)

The whole countdown to 18 thing happened with the Olsen twins too.

[–]FloopyMuscles 12.7k points12.7k points  (974 children)

Portman remembered turning 12 on the set of "The Professional." It was her first film.... A year later, when the movie was released, she opened her first fan letter. It was a "rape fantasy" from a man. "A countdown was started on my local radio show to my 18th birthday -- euphemistically the date that I would be legal to sleep with," she said. "Movie reviewers talked about my budding breasts in reviews. I understood very quickly, even as a 13-year-old, that if I were to express myself sexually I would feel unsafe and that men would feel entitled to discuss and objectify my body to my great discomfort.

I think the whole quote makes it much worse.

[–]my-other-username-is 7325 points7326 points  (743 children)

I feel like they’re currently doing this with Millie-Bobby. It’s so gross.

[–]IMadeThisJustForHHH 5407 points5408 points  (587 children)

It's happened to like every single under-age female actress.

I remember when Reddit first started Emma Watson was still underage (like 17 or so) and it was a common topic on Reddit, regarding people waiting for her to turn 18.

It's happening to the male kids too, Stranger Things kids are getting perved on by milfs

EDIT: People pick weird topics to play devil's advocate on.

[–]aretasdaemon 3057 points3058 points  (171 children)

Mary Kate and Ashly were the girls it happened to when I was growing up

[–]netmier 1591 points1592 points  (131 children)

I remember their countdown webpage. I’m roughly the same age, just a bit older than them so it didn’t really occur to me that it was weird, since I was a peer. When I remembered it as an adult it hit me how fucking gross it was to count down the age when you can creep on them and not be a pedo.

We all wonder why they’re so weird now and totally ignore the fact that 16 year old girls were being sexualized by a bunch of creepy ass adults who made an entire webpage dedicated to counting down their legal age of consent.

[–]jerkstorefranchisee 1585 points1586 points  (105 children)

It's pretty fucked up when you think about it. They make Britney Spears dance around all sexy when she's too young, and then they make fun of her when the inevitable meltdown comes, then they replace her with a new one and do it again. Gee, that Miley Cyrus is so crazy, what a terrible person she is, who's next. I really don't like that child celebrities are a thing, it so rarely turns out well.

[–]greg19735 55 points56 points  (3 children)

i'm in a similar boat. I remember quoting the countdown to their 18th birthday. Though i was only 15 and kids do stupid shit.

[–]doodler1977 173 points174 points  (8 children)

i remember them hosting SNL, and the in the closing credits one htem shouted out "4 weeks 'til we're LEGAL!! GOODNIGHT!"

[–]purplewhiteblack 31 points32 points  (0 children)

There was a bit on SNL with kid rock and he was reciting a joke about it and he thought it was wrong at the time.

[–]leflyingbison 925 points926 points  (103 children)

Chloe Moretz, too.

[–][deleted] 584 points585 points  (30 children)

Chloe was at a film screening I was at during a film festival one year. Afterwards, crowds were gathering outside the back doors waiting for her and Eddie Redmayne (who was also in the movie, pre-Oscar). I remember very distinctly noticing that she was not signing any autographs for men who it look like all had Hit Girl 8x10s, she was avoiding all of them. She was only taking pictures with and signing for young girls. Probably safe to assume this is why. It was really fucking creepy to see 20s/30s/middle-aged men creeping on her trying to get her attention. This was in September 2011, she was like 14 at the time.

[–][deleted] 202 points203 points  (1 child)

Those guys are at every event and LAX all the time for male and female actors alike, they sell the photos online and many actors will ignore them outright. Bill Murray makes them give him money for charity, it's pretty funny.

[–]El_Frijol 690 points691 points  (63 children)

Maisie Williams too (Arya Stark in Game of Thrones)

[–][deleted] 105 points106 points  (0 children)

Came here to say that. Its the news outlets and blogs and fashion things that do it too that weird me out even more. Like heres this kid doing a charity or hanging out with friends or furthering her professional career and all people can talk about regarding these things is what she is or isnt wearing and about how she has 'grown' and all that other creepy shit

[–]monsantobreath 154 points155 points  (12 children)

I find that bizarre given the nature of her character. She literally murdered a pedo in the show after taking on the role of one of his victims.

[–]wellgroomedmcpoyle 76 points77 points  (7 children)

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Any boy whore with a sword could beat three Meryn Trants

[–]MG87 24 points25 points  (3 children)

THE GREATEST SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD WAS KILLED BY MERYN FOOKING TRANT?

[–][deleted] 83 points84 points  (0 children)

I remember seeing a YouTube video of an interview for kickass around the time it came out and everyone in the comments was talking about how she had great dick sucking lips. I know its just YouTube but honestly it's still weird when the internet gets attracted to random underaged celebrities.

[–]_SnidelyWhiplash_ 27 points28 points  (3 children)

didnt she have some creep from right here on reddit stalking her when she was like 16 or so? i remember some post on the old cringe sub of some greasy looking 30something yr old dude taking a pic with her saying he waited for hours to see her and the poor girl looked so damn uncomfortable

[–]aardvarkyardwork 131 points132 points  (5 children)

There's a great interview in which Daniel Radcliffe calls out an entertainment reporter on this double standard, you can probably find it on YouTube.

IIRC, the reporter said something about DR being an unlikely choice for a romantic lead, and DR asked why. The reporter sort of fumbles and says something about it might be awkward to sexualise someone associated with a child character or something, and without missing a beat, DR says 'No one's had any problems sexualising Emma Watson since before she was an adult' or something to that effect. It was cool to see.

[–]nermid 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Man, everything I've seen from that guy is top-notch. It's gonna suck when it comes out that he snorts ground-up fetuses for virility or something.

[–]aardvarkyardwork 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Honestly, in both his personal and professional lives, he seems like a cool dude. He's made very interesting professional choices following the HP series, and for someone who was a child celebrity with unimaginable wealth, he's handled it all very well.

I'm not hugely into 'role models' as a concept, but if my kids had to have one, I wouldn't be too unhappy if it was him.

[–]Oyul 1080 points1081 points  (59 children)

It started when Emma Watson was 14. I remember opening a newspaper to see a double page spread dedicated entirely to her, with photos of her Just hanging out with some friends and playing about, with a headline along the lines of ‘Emma Watson is blossoming into a beauty’. The article was just obsessed with how her body was developing, coached with the thinnest veneer of decency while the author, a grown fucking man, spent 2 pages on how attractive he found this 14 year old girl.

It’s sick. The Objectification of women starts as children.

[–]OneSmoothCactus 1011 points1012 points  (32 children)

I always hear the word "blossoming" as basically a euphemism for girls going through puberty and I find it so unsettling and gross.

It sounds like someone saying "look this one's almost ready."

[–]LexGonGiveItToYa 504 points505 points  (1 child)

It's because that is exactly what they are saying.

[–]Abaddon907 46 points47 points  (2 children)

I had a crush on Emma Watson the whole time, but we're like, you know, the same age.

[–]YUNoDie 84 points85 points  (1 child)

When Reddit started there was literally a sub dedicated to jailbait. The first time Reddit was talked about on mainstream media was when Anderson Cooper realized there was borderline kiddie porn on the site.

[–]algonquinroundtable 278 points279 points  (8 children)

It's happening to the male kids too, Stranger Things kids are getting perved on by milfs pedophiles.

FTFY

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (7 children)

Also when she was even younger, on 4chan and other sites.

[–][deleted] 503 points504 points  (35 children)

The same sick shit is happening with Finn Wolfhard too. Women (and let’s face it, probably men too) on Tumblr have obsessive posts about him and countdowns to to his 18th birthday. These are grown ass adults fantasizing sexually about a child and it gets laughed off. It’s horrific.

“Sexual terrorism” is an apt term.

[–]perthguppy 70 points71 points  (0 children)

He complained last year that people keep calling him daddy on Twitter.

[–][deleted] 843 points844 points  (109 children)

Also for what a healthy attitude that film has towards men and teenage girls, like Leon's not seeking out teenagers to hang out with it's forced on him, Mathilda is this boisterous girl on her way to becoming an adult, she emulates adult symbols including women, including sex, even trying to seduce Leon at one point, which Leon is flattered by to an extent and even slightly conflicted because he's this lonely guy for whom Mathilda is filling many roles in his lives.

She's like a little sister/daughter all wrapped up into one and he has adult heartstrings to tug on in regards to intimacy and sex, and Mathilda unknowingly/unmeaningly tugs on those trying to be flirtatious, but he recognizes that such a relationship would be wrong and she is just a girl, not a fully grown woman both in the sense of body and mind to be capable of informed consent.

The film shows this all naturally and free of judgement, Leon and Mathilda are great at representing base human desires as well as the pressures of society on Mathilda's end, and besides the multiple revenge killings and possible other casualties, they were a pretty truthful commentary in a positive way, which makes it worse in the sense that a lot of men blew straight past the character lesson in Leon to wanting to fuck a child.

[–]theaxeassasin 950 points951 points  (78 children)

I completely agree that the film that ended up being released is great and turned out exactly how you just described with nothing wrong with it, but people who look at the film negatively because of a sense of child sexualization aren’t totally wrong, the creator did have a thing for it. Luc Besson originally included this in the script and it was thankfully removed but it should’ve never been written in the first place https://i.imgur.com/izGrzd2.jpg

And although it was legal in France, Luc Besson (who was in his 30s) did have sex with a 15 year-old girl after marrying her at that age. He then included her during that same time in Leon: The Professional. She then had his kid a year later at the age of 16. He then left her for Milla Jovovich during the making of The Fifth Element who was like 20/21 at the time.

So regardless of the final product of the film, people aren’t wrong when they say they get a serious sense of something taboo happening on screen during some scenes, because no doubt it was written and directed by someone living in a culture where that sort of thing isn’t illegal or looked down upon. Thankfully the final film goes more for the father/daughter angle instead of something disgusting

[–]bellexy 501 points502 points  (17 children)

Holy hell. That's... that's really bad.

[–]Seth_Gecko 201 points202 points  (8 children)

And it isn't just bad because it's gross and wrong (thought it is); it's also just poorly written. Very poorly, to be completely honest.

[–]Stumblin_McBumblin 95 points96 points  (0 children)

That's not something a child would say. That's something an adult would write a child saying. Jesus. Bad writing, and so fucking creepy.

[–]bellexy 66 points67 points  (1 child)

It seriously reads like something you'd come across on r/creepyasterisks

[–]JackGetsIt 153 points154 points  (2 children)

I think the other reason it was pulled is because the original script called for a 15 or 16 year old and the actress they ended up getting was 12; so it was harder to go the original direction of the script. There's actually a scene that was cut for the american version as of the film as well.

[–]NumbersAllGoToEleven 67 points68 points  (2 children)

Doesn't help that the director was dating a 15 year old at the time of making Leon....

[–][deleted] 151 points152 points  (7 children)

I was a kid when it came out (she's actually older than me, who knew?) and I felt awkward watching that film.

If little kid me could understand that this relationship is stressful for them both and he is purposefully struggling to not sexualize that girl, I don't understand how grown adults couldnt.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (3 children)

There was a similar thing happened to Charlotte Church - who was 15 at the time. Someone setup a countdown clock / website to when she turned 16 (legal age in the UK). The Sun (one of Murdoch's rags) ran an article / popularised it.

[–]pokemonboy2003 189 points190 points  (12 children)

Ever been on 4chan? Or Reddit back in the day? Or Reddit last year?

[–]M27saw 77 points78 points  (3 children)

Hell even some parts of Reddit this year.

[–]sportsworker777 762 points763 points  (105 children)

It's pretty disgusting how common this is with underage celebrity girls. I remember the Olsen twins was a countdown that had a big following. Chloe Grace Moretz was the most recent one I saw the past few years. Some gross people out there

[–]TinyEyedCrimsonChin 478 points479 points  (46 children)

This is the same kind of thing happening to the kids from Stranger Things and Game of Thrones, it’s just so seedy

[–]TheJoshider10 333 points334 points  (31 children)

Yeah the fangirling over the Stranger Things kids is just weird. I think one of them even said they find it creepy how people are viewing them.

[–]whoismadi 410 points411 points  (29 children)

Finn wolfhard said it was creepy that a 27 year old woman posted that he should call her in 4 years. But I’m sure they’re not that creeped out by 14 year old girls who fangirl over them, it’s only super creepy when its adults but children will of course have celebrity crushes too.

[–]SG_Dave 315 points316 points  (25 children)

It gets really fucking weird when people "ship" the actual actors and get very, very aggressive if it's suggested at all that these kids have lives that don't revolve around their on screen characters.

I've seen shit in the stranger things subreddit where people talk about Wolfhard and Brown like they're IRL soulmates, and it's a forgone conclusion that they "want to be together". It's like these crazy bastards are wanting to impose their own fucked up feelings on these kids, and they don't understand that they have no horse in this race.

[–]JasonSteakums 91 points92 points  (4 children)

It gets really fucking weird when people "ship" the actual actors and get very, very aggressive if it's suggested at all that these kids have lives that don't revolve around their on screen characters.

That happened to Stephen Amell on Arrow, fangirls even started harassing his wife because he wasn't in real life dating his love interest on the show.

[–]94justgettingby 109 points110 points  (8 children)

Brown's agents have come out and said this is a specific reason why you don't see her hanging out with the boys from the cast. They don't want people to push this insane fantasy on her by seeing her hang out with them off the set.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Isn’t Brown’s best friend the kid that played Will? I barely know anything about the kids from Stranger Things but I could’ve sworn I saw the Eleven actress being interviewed and saying the kid who plays Will goes to her school and is her best friend. Must be incredibly tough having to shield that part of your life because the public goes crazy and would be angry she’s not besties irl with the kid that plays Mike instead. All of these kids’ childhoods are probably ruined already.

[–]whoismadi 72 points73 points  (4 children)

I agree it’s very weird. I can almost understand it if it’s young teenagers (like 13 or 14) because “shipping” culture is so prominent with characters in fandom and they may not realize it’s weird to do it with actual people. However actual adults wanting two teenage kids to get together is super weird.

[–]SG_Dave 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Yeah, kids talking about these actors in that manners is somewhat understandable. Growing and maturing takes things like seeing external relationships, and how they aren't what they appear at first glance, and learning where the lines are in terms of imposing ones own will. That makes sense.

But grown adults should understand these social lines in the sand, and should be emotionally, and mentally, equipped to be able to manage their behaviour from having gone through their own childhood and teenage experiences.

I know online communities with anonymity are lightning rods for crazies and trolls. But fuck me, I seriously question the sanity of the entire fandom of some media when I see certain trends in comments.

[–]pitterpattern 28 points29 points  (3 children)

It's not really a euphemism. It's literally a countdown to when she is a legal adult.

Come to think of it, "sleep with" is a euphemism.

[–]Meowshi 823 points824 points  (45 children)

I think everything that needs to be said has been said regarding the main point of this article. Portman deserves praise for being honest and open about her own personal experiences as a child actor, though "we shouldn't sexualize children" is sort of an obvious sentiment and no one who is doing it is actually working under the delusion that it's acceptable behavior. It's more that they just think they can get away with it. I also agree with the posts bringing up Portman's enormous hypocrisy in complaining about the sexualization of children, while having actively and openly supported an admitted child rapist; as well as those criticizing her hyperbolic use of the word "terrorism".

But since this is a subreddit for movies, I actually thought this was an interesting part of the article that no one is talking about:

Portman said she adjusted her behavior, rejected roles with kissing scenes and emphasized her "bookish and serious" side. She built a reputation as a "prudish, conservative, nerdy, serious" young woman in order to feel her body was safe and her voice heard.

A lot of discussion has been had about why Portman's career never really took off like it should have. Audiences loved The Professional and were amazed at how good she was both in the film and the press tour surrounding it, but this brought the expectation that she would gravitate towards similarly controversial and challenging roles in the future. Instead most of the projects she picked as a teen and a young adult were pure schlock, and the speculation has always ranged from her agent simply being terrible to the Star Wars prequels having completely tarnished her image as a competent actor. But this article paints a different picture and seems to suggest she eschewed challenging, meaty roles in favor of prioritizing projects that made her feel "comfortable" and apparently emphasized her "bookish" side. It makes you wonder what her career would have been like if sexual harassment hadn't influenced her decisions.

[–]Butthenwhatwhat 214 points215 points  (1 child)

You make some interesting points but I find it odd that you don't think her career took off. Two years after The Professional she did movies with Tim Burton and Woody Allen. A few years after that she was in The Phantom Menace. I understand after the fact people didn't like the Star Wars prequels, but at the time getting that role was a big fucking deal. If that isn't her career taking off I don't know what is.

[–]time_keepsonslipping 177 points178 points  (5 children)

Yeah, I found that part interesting too. It's not just that the sexual harassment made Portman uncomfortable (which would absolutely be enough for it to be a problem), but that it has concrete ramifications--in this case, for her career. But that also made me think about the other kinds of costs this pervasive childhood harassment has. If Portman felt the need to cover up her body and not explore anything sexual on the screen, what are the chances she felt similarly in her personal life? There's a very clear connection between being sexually harassed as a child and thus being unable to explore your own sexuality in a safe way and thus becoming an adult without the tools to say "This is what I want; this is what I don't want." We talk a lot about enthusiastic consent and the need for women to be able to own their sexualities, but that's hard when you've been raised in a culture that teaches you that you have to protect yourself from predators from the time you turn 12 (or, for many of us, younger.)

[–]Infernalism 1495 points1496 points  (63 children)

"A countdown was started on my local radio show to my 18th birthday -- euphemistically the date that I would be legal to sleep with," she said. "Movie reviewers talked about my budding breasts in reviews. I understood very quickly, even as a 13-year-old, that if I were to express myself sexually I would feel unsafe and that men would feel entitled to discuss and objectify my body to my great discomfort."

That's fucked up.

[–][deleted] 787 points788 points  (16 children)

Her first fanmail was a fucking rape fantasy. People are scum.

[–]yognautilus 2481 points2482 points  (115 children)

American culture is so bizarre with child actresses. Pedophilia is vilified and demonized to hell and back, yet I totally remember tons actresses having countdowns to legality. Britney Spears was the most popular one from when I was younger. And then it became Emma Watson. It was essentially gross adults admitting that they were sexually attracted to these kids, but having a small disclaimer at the end.

[–]JC-Ice 819 points820 points  (27 children)

With Emma Watson it was just as much in the U.K. though.

And the tabloids there might actually be worse.

[–]EpicFishFingers 279 points280 points  (9 children)

Shout out to the daily mail for vilifying a paedophile in a main article while frothing at the mouth over photos of an "all grown up" 13 year old girl in a sidebar article

[–]_YouMadeMeDoItReddit 260 points261 points  (7 children)

I was a year or two younger than them when the films came out and obviously as a young teenaged boy after a couple of the films I went straight to the internet to sin my soul out over Emma Watson and I just now remembered I found photos of some naked woman with Emma Watson's head badly photoshopped on top.

Not really thought of it since then but just now realised that was probably a fully grown man who had done that...

[–]Agnosticwon 140 points141 points  (7 children)

Does no one remeber Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen?

[–]shadymerchant 102 points103 points  (2 children)

Who can blame them for disappearing from public life? Sometimes I wonder if they tried to convince Elizabeth not to pursue the celebrity life.