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[–]Aro2220 139 points140 points  (20 children)

Since the early days of the internet, the biggest douche bags have been and always will be chat group moderators. These people are small and have a Napoleon complex. And you can't kick them off their horse because they are the real keyboard warriors hiding behind their screens.

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    [–]dontknowmyabcs 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    You forgot to add that often the unstated reason for the banhammer is that ego-driven mod losing an argument badly, often publicly with daily posters witnessing.

    [–]LexGrom 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    In Russia we call it "синдром вахтёра" (janitor's syndrome)

    [–]siosism 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Would agree for certain online forums, but I have also seen many good group moderators in others. The good ones are similar to facilitators of in-person group sessions, but are less authoritarian enforcers of rules and more “guides.”

    [–]BTC_StKN 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Time to create a new Slack channel.

    It shouldn't be too hard for the devs to move over.

    [–]singularity87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Feel free to kick me off my horse any day.

    [–]mossmoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Because power attracts assholes.

    [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (1 child)

    u/deadalnix

    Thank you for all your hard work Amaury. I'm sorry this happened to you. I hope you don't get bitter about everyone. Most of us don't agree with this at all. You do so much work, more then most people realize, and don't necessarily get the recognition you deserve. Ignore the noise. Take a few day vacation perhaps. Don't burn yourself out.

    [–]dontknowmyabcs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Also remember that a good team of trolls can get under anyone's skin.

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      [–]ratifythisRedditor for less than 60 days 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      Must be some misunderstanding. It's just another BCH-related slack channel. There are many. (Did anyone in this thread stop to think the obvious: there couldn't possibly be any official Bitcoin Cash channel?)

      [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 33 points34 points  (3 children)

      Was this slack relevant in any way for Bitcoin Cash development?

      Or was it just social channels?

      I was only on its precursor, which was the slack that CSW used to first get in contact with the community at large. It had a few interesting discussions, but mostly very little in terms of talk relevant to actual development. More of a social watering hole.

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        [–]DeleteMyOldAccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Can confirm. Am developer in the space always looking for good Dev conversation

        [–]singularity87 14 points15 points  (2 children)

        Everyone is welcome at bitcoincashers.org/chat.

        I think the bchchat slack has its place, but it has a specific goal and that goal doesn't necessarily align with everyone, which is fine I guess.

        [–]no_face 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        a specific goal

        Glamorizing CSW?

        [–]siosism 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        100 - we are the community for doers. Highly recommend any serious BCH’er to join above

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Stop using slack.

        [–][deleted] 80 points81 points  (208 children)

        1) Why was he banned? 2) Who banned him?

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          [–][deleted] 97 points98 points  (121 children)

          So Bitcoin (Cash) is now banning people for opposing views?

          Must say I'm disappointed. /u/joeldalais any comments? What did he do? I think online we should all be pretty resilient so if someone insulted my mother I wouldn't ban them. Maybe if someone insulted my mother via flooding, or indeed flooded anything it might be cause for a ban, but really to ban anyone these days for fighting/insults is a kind of Soyboy SJW move and I thought we were away from that crowd.

          [–]fruitsofknowledge 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          So Bitcoin (Cash) is now banning people for opposing views?

          No, a Slack server is.

          [–]Wecx- 28 points29 points  (20 children)

          Yep, Joel banned me also.

          [–]imaginary_username 50 points51 points  (3 children)

          That slack is not "Bitcoin Cash Slack", it merely squatted that name bchchat. It's a shithole 100% by CSW, of CSW, for CSW.

          [–]no_face 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          imma go troll them and get banned over and over

          [–]ratifythisRedditor for less than 60 days 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          Huh? It's one of many slack channels devoted to Bitcoin Cash. Nothing official about it or anything. It just happens to be one with several VIPs.

          [–]ilovebumbumbum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hmm I wonder where they might also do that🤔

          [–]TouchmyhandleRedditor for less than 60 days 51 points52 points  (28 children)

          Jesus Christ, I never expected to see that name come up again. /u/joeldalais is some weirdo from the UK. I've seen him at several meets trying to peddle his bullshit and desperately try to make himself relevant. He's barely literate and like to copy paste vague explanations of things he's heard other say and then when questioned deeper he falls back on some "you don't understand", "I'm not good at explaining" bullshit. This is a guy that tried to hype a coin with built in KYC or some shit, like he thought it would actually be a good idea. Add that to his exchange he tried to run that did around $1000 volume then closed down. The guy is a leech that tries to associate himself with other people. I've had many a laugh with other crypto enthusiasts about how he likes to allude to having secret information that he can't spill, usually about CSW. This guy is literally psychotic. Someone get him to do an interview on their YouTube channel, it would be hilarious.

          [–]Giusis 19 points20 points  (8 children)

          You basically described a miniature of Faketoshi... lol.

          [–]TouchmyhandleRedditor for less than 60 days 12 points13 points  (6 children)

          /u/joeldalais was among the first to jump on his bandwagon. I Remember reading one of his comments to a doubter that basically said he knew something secret that would come out in the future to prove everyone wrong. It's a common theme among his posts. That and calling people dumb while at the same time being unable to articulate even the simplest concepts. I guess that's why he doenst go to meets anymore because he knows face to face he can't copy paste some vague explanation and then run away when they ask him for clarifications. He's the same kind of fraud as faketoshi, just with less technical ability. At least Craig can sound intelligent to noobs, Joel is just straight up clueless.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Seriously, no wonder they're friends, two incompetent frauds trying to be bigger than they are in a space that already told them to get bent with their bullshit

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I've seen him at several meets trying to peddle his bullshit and desperately try to make himself relevant. He's barely literate and like to copy paste vague explanations of things he's heard other say and then when questioned deeper he falls back on some "you don't understand", "I'm not good at explaining" bullshit.

          This sounds exactly like that guy who was on crypt0s news the day after Roger Ver.... Richard Heart I think it was.

          [–]BitAlien 8 points9 points  (6 children)

          He's barely literate

          That's actually true. I was part of the private chatroom "lionsden" in bchchat before I was banned for speaking out against supreme ruler Craig Steven Wright.

          Joeldalais one day uploaded a document from his doctor describing how he had some sort of learning disabilities early on, and did not speak much when young, and had trouble with communication.

          Normally I would have never brought this up, but this guy acts like a total asshole and is becoming as bad as the BlockstreamCore censors.

          He's toxic, and a power hungry keyboard warrior.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          What did you say to Craig?

          [–]BitAlien 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          Called him out because the Ira lawsuit claimed he owned certain Bitcoin addresses which he provably could not own due to the fact that they belonged to other public figures.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Also seen him here talking about some vague bullshit as well. Some babble about how his university influence will reinvent crypto.

          [–]Neutral_User_Name 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I have never been able to properly "connect" with Dalais. Something has always been off, as hard as I tried, he's very guarded.

          [–]JustSomeBadAdvice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          That slack forum is owned and controlled by CSW. Unsurprisingly, going against CSW's wishes = ban.

          [–]chainxor 47 points48 points  (13 children)

          Less ego, more solutions.

          [–]fruitsofknowledge 14 points15 points  (11 children)

          Good we have better platforms for discussion.

          [–]TheRealMotherOfOP 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          Slack is awesome though for actual technical discussion and development, just like Reddit it just needs mods not wanting to ban people.

          [–]awless 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Sounds wrong to me; maybe its the start of another t/o?

          Bitcoin cash is touted as beacon of free speech.

          [–]Hakametal 21 points22 points  (0 children)

          Very sad to see, but isn't this a private Slack? If so, then this shouldn't be a big deal, even if its not nice to see. Regardless, imo, its a dick move.

          Devs should commit to using memo.cash in the future.

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            [–]imaginary_username 32 points33 points  (4 children)

            CSW and his cronies censored him on a slack where they dominate and "own"; I think people should really be educated that it's not the "Bitcoin Cash slack". Other slacks exist befitting BCH's decentralized nature. /u/memorydealers

            [–]Wecx- 19 points20 points  (0 children)

            I just got banned from that slack for supporting Deadalnix. BCHSlack has really disappointed me.

            [–]CatatonicAdenosine 27 points28 points  (11 children)

            Very alarming. Thanks Roger for keeping those of us who are out of the loop informed. Honestly, we’re incredibly fortunate to have someone with your absolute integrity and commitment to libertarianism watching over this subreddit.

            Anyway, what’s especially alarming is that this follows some really bizarre stuff happening in this sub over the last month. A series of accounts have been obviously smearing ABC, and to a lesser extent BU. And ostensibly doing so in support of CSW etc.

            Is Craig of anyone from nChain/CoinGeek prepared to come forward and explicitly reject all connection to this campaign to divide Bitcoin Cash? Until they do, I fear that this mess is only going to get worse.

            Dark times.

            [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 25 points26 points  (8 children)

            Is Craig of anyone from nChain/CoinGeek prepared to come forward and explicitly reject all connection to this campaign to divide Bitcoin Cash?

            This.

            [–]CatatonicAdenosine 14 points15 points  (6 children)

            The fact it’s so obvious and yet hasn’t happened yet deeply worries me.

            [–]ratifythisRedditor for less than 60 days 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            What campaign? Reddit is no longer the center of things and therefore is getting out of touch with the situation in other forums.

            [–]unitedstatian 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            If a crypto's health depends on one dev or a single repo or a single team it's not really a crypto, it only looks like one. By being able to fork away BCH proved Bitcoin is alive and well.

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              [–]BenDoverMam 22 points23 points  (37 children)

              BCH wouldn’t exist without him, and that’s just a fact.

              But what matters here is: what did he do to deserve getting banned?

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                [–]fruitsofknowledge 13 points14 points  (15 children)

                "Loud"? Anyone got some screens?

                [–]CatatonicAdenosine 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                I too am interested.

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                  [–]CatatonicAdenosine 6 points7 points  (6 children)

                  Interesting. The orphaning method sounds very straightforward. Interested for all these proposals to actually come forward so that we can talk about them instead!

                  Thanks

                  50 bits u/tippr

                  [–]tippr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  u/shilch, you've received 0.00005 BCH ($0.03491549321225 USD)!


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                  [–]CatatonicAdenosine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Thanks for the clarity. Those of us on the outside only have testimonies like yours to tell us what’s happening. 50 bits u/tippr

                  [–]tippr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  u/shilch, you've received 0.00005 BCH ($0.03541573561925 USD)!


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                  [–]CatatonicAdenosine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Thanks for the clarity. Those of us on the outside only have testimonies like yours to tell us what’s happening.

                  50 bits u/tippr

                  [–]tippr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  u/shilch, you've received 0.00005 BCH ($0.03541573561925 USD)!


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                  [–]H0dl 18 points19 points  (10 children)

                  No, he is not the creator as you say. I was a little put off by his claim that he is in that interview with Shammah.

                  [–]fruitsofknowledge 68 points69 points  (136 children)

                  He absolutely is the a creator of Bitcoin Cash as far as initiating the fork goes.

                  Satoshi created the Bitcoin design and started the chain, but he did not fork the Cash continuation.

                  [–]randy-lawnmole 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  Miners created the fork. DD co wrote the activating code. Miners risked millions in PoW, they activated the fork, and kept it alive. The Mystery miner is the real hero.

                  [–]Bagatell_ 30 points31 points  (82 children)

                  Others were working on a fork before deadalnix showed up.

                  https://old.reddit.com/r/btcfork/comments/4vupzp/the_rbtcfork_subreddit/

                  [–]BenDoverMam 27 points28 points  (17 children)

                  Talk is cheap

                  [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 6 points7 points  (7 children)

                  And you might find that I don't just talk either.

                  You're a relatively old account, but I've not seen you active in the development or community spheres of any big block client under that handle.

                  I'm curious what you did to make a fork happen.

                  [–]BenDoverMam 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                  Dude, I never insinuated that you of all people were all talk. Most people, including myself, were. I am but a mere peasant with shit coding ability.

                  You, deadalnix, and a few others actually got off of yalls ass and did something. You saved bitcoin.

                  [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                  Ok, so I'll elaborate.

                  u/singularity87 founded /r/btcfork , and set up the BTCfork slack, which I ran for nearly two years or something, while working on fork clients and trying to assist a little with other big block clients such as Bitcoin Classic and Unlimited.

                  I still mod /r/btcfork and the BTCfork slack, which is where many of the ideas around a minority hard fork were discussed, with many developers but also people of many other varied skills, over a long period of time.

                  Of course these places are now mostly inactive after we forked and discussion has naturally dispersed again to other places.

                  So I got a little annoyed at your "Talk is cheap" response as a reply to the btcfork link. Actually, a lot of effort is needed to get a significant fork of Bitcoin going. And it's not just deadalnix, myself and "a few others".

                  I counted today and there were 11 devs with commits in ABC alone from the point of forking the software from Core to 1 August 2017. And this is definitely not all devs who contributed to ABC in other ways, like reviews or suggestions.

                  And then there's all the devs who worked on other clients for the fork before it happened, like BU, XT, Classic. These devs from other clients had ALL been through writing fork clients of some kind or another to work towards scaling in the past. BIP100, BIP101, the 2MB fork of Classic, Emergent Consensus, you name it. And these were also largely the people who came together regularly to discuss the situation, and talk about prospects and ways that Bitcoin could be safely upgraded.

                  I bet the total reaches 30-40 devs very quickly, especially if other devs who actively upgraded initial pools, wallets, relay networks and exchanges are added to it, many of whom also chatted with ABC devs on various slacks including btcfork.

                  Basically there is an unfortunate myth that Bitcoin Cash was the work of a few. No, it was the work of many, many people, and should always be seen as such.

                  [–]BenDoverMam 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  That is very good to know. And I regret not adding Haipo and Jonald in there. However, I think that you are slightly suffering from the curse of knowledge. I think most people in this wacky marketplace, including myself, had never even heard of /r/btcfork until after the fork.

                  Here is what the whole BCH split looks like to most outsiders.

                  There was debate and debate and debate for years. Clients like XT, Classic, and BU were created, but never had any effect. There was a stale mate. Barry Shillbert creates a terrible deal; small blockers get what they want, and maybe big blockers will get what they want later. More debate, more debate, more debate.

                  Us peasants can’t code, we just enjoy the ride and vote with our feet.

                  Suddenly, on this crazy roller coaster, a random dude named Amaury announces a client BitcoinABC that he is the benevolent dictator of. He tells us that people like freetrader helped him a lot (he obviously can't name everybody). Next thing you know, it actually seems like it is going to happen, and ViaBTC announces that they will help it get off its feet. The fork happens, and the rest is history.

                  To this day I do not know where the name Bitcoin Cash came from, nor who owns bitcoincash.org. Did that happen in /r/btcfork?

                  Anyways, I am thinking about creating a /u/deadalnix cult to help counter the CSW cult that appears to be growing. The sheeple need a leader, and deadalnix is the only public figure that actually has the brains to get us to where we need to go, and at the same time actually seems to be a very good person that's trying to make the world a better place.

                  But yes you are right, it was the work of many, many people. I myself created a few memes 😎.

                  [–]singularity87 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  I remember during the BTCfork days that it took a huge amount of discussion to even work out how to fork in the best and safest way possible, let alone develop a tested and working implementation.

                  People forget, possibly because there are forks all over the place now, but it had never been done before. The only thing was known was that the economics could work because ETC and ETH existed. But there forking process was completely different.

                  Then you have all the politics layered on top, with Core-supporting exchanges demanding replay protection which then become a requirement across all exchanges.

                  Also, as you remember, it was extremely difficult to get more people involved while most were holding out hope for BTC miners or Core to compromise and increase the block size.

                  [–]Adrian-X 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  And one guy can't fork a network of millions of users without the cooperation of all those invested in forking.

                  When one calf breaks from the herd it is vulnerable but if enough break from the herd they can influence the direction of the herd but it takes many to fork from the herd not just 1.

                  [–]fruitsofknowledge 12 points13 points  (63 children)

                  You have a point. But who ultimately saw it through? I can't name another person with as much influence in the process.

                  (This doesn't change that the Cash fork is "Bitcoin" per the design. I'm not suggesting its an alt project or anything like that of course.)

                  [–]JoelDalais 1 point2 points  (59 children)

                  by your definition freetrader is the *creator* of Bitcoin (cash) and you're wrongly hero worshipping amaury (no offence, but this is what its coming off as with the "creator" stuff)

                  and there were *others* ready to fork off if freetrader and amaury hadn't done it.. so.. man, some of you guys are just "ehhh.. am i in the twilight zone or what.."

                  its like, if BU had succeeded, that != Peter becomes god-king-bch just because he's lead scientist of a forked bloody repo ... arrg.. dude, sometimes you make my brain bloody squeek!

                  EDIT: (editting here as its one of my higher comments)

                  To Learn

                  1. Though i don't like the leaking (its a slack rule), someone likely gave roger the SS and it at least shows that roger does not "control bch and its RogerCoin"
                  2. The other lesson in this is to teach people that devs do not equal BCH-God-Kings, that bitcoin is far more important than their personal coding/economic science experiment(s)
                  3. And it might teach others the importance of the economic structure (as we keep repeatedly saying), that Bitcoin is 99% *Economics*, that cascade failures do exist and that there *is* far more room to build *upwards*

                  You don't see it, but i'm not showing the conversation before that resulted in the removal, because *i* am willing to take the hating to save others from embarrassment and the trolling, etc, this episode as others will pass on

                  :hats: #nojoe :popcorn:

                  [–]fruitsofknowledge 12 points13 points  (54 children)

                  by your definition freetrader is the creator of Bitcoin (cash)

                  A creator if he worked on the leading implementation at time of fork, but sure.

                  you're wrongly hero worshipping amaury

                  No, I'm not. Pretty sure I've had disagreements here with him in the past.

                  We're talking about bans here though. Why the ban? "Insults?" Really?

                  [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 17 points18 points  (12 children)

                  by your definition freetrader is the creator of Bitcoin (cash)

                  Amaury together with lots of others, including myself, created the Bitcoin ABC client which was the "leading implementation" going into the Bitcoin Cash fork, although I dislike the term 'leading' here because 2 or 3 other clients were ready by the time of the fork and we all forked together, and we all discussed the changes together during the time leading up to the fork.

                  [–]fruitsofknowledge 8 points9 points  (10 children)

                  Interesting information. Thank you for sharing and bringing more clarity on the events! =)

                  [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 19 points20 points  (9 children)

                  For some more clarity, the options and possible design for a hard fork client were discussed on BTCfork slack and r/btcfork subreddit for a long time since mid 2016 or so.

                  Amaury says he was on the btcfork slack as well, honestly I can't remember but if he says he discussed things on there I believe him.

                  BTCfork produced minority hard fork clients, but didn't get support from miners, as focus shifted from Classic to BU's majority fork efforts. BU didn't get a majority of miners on its side (although they got an impressive and record 45%+), and that's when my focus shifted back to a minority fork and I happened to have run into Amaury again on the BU slack and he invited me to collaborate on ABC, so I said to myself why not, maybe this will get the support of some miners.

                  [–]fruitsofknowledge 10 points11 points  (7 children)

                  This is pretty cool to know.

                  I think it might be positive for the community to have a deeper understanding of the history leading up to the actual fork. More than just the regular "Blockstream" part and the occasionally less believable imo "Bilderberg" story.

                  Maybe you'll make a post some time?

                  [–]bill_mcgonigle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Speaking as somebody who's never run ABC, it's still the case that Amaury and the ABC team get credit for making the chainsplit feasible. I was a week late to the party and I've run BU since then (their first Cash release). But I should have listened to my friend Neil who was talking about ABC for a couple months before the chainsplit and it was really clear that the ABC node proved to everybody (including me) that a chainsplit was going to work. So the ABC team gets a ton of credit even though others were also ready. I'm also very /inclined/ to accept Amaury's advice based on everything I've ever heard him say, but I haven't yet convinced myself that preconcensus isn't harmful. That Bitcoin has a healthy competitive environment for implementations gives me great market-based comfort that Amaury can go and do a wrong thing and we'll be OK anyway. If that weren't the case then we'd have other more important robustness problems to solve.

                  [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Hate to say it, but that 'creator' wording is a very poor choice for the title.

                  Let me bust that misconception with some data. There were 11 devs who created commits on ABC between the time the ABC software was forked from Core and up to 1 August 2017. Deadalnix and 10 others. And there were lots more devs working on other clients (BU, XT, Classic) prior to the fork, not to mention those working on upgrading initial pools, wallets, relay networks and exchanges for the fork. I can't even count how many those are because I don't know many of them, I just know the work got done.

                  We would all do well to take a step back and appreciate how many 'creators' were involved in the coming about Bitcoin Cash, including those who originated or discussed ideas, those who designed artwork, those who coded, tested, wrote documentation or reviewed, those who mined the actual blocks and those who kept the fork financially on its feet in its early days and even up to the present, which is an awesome feat in itself.

                  And finally all those who supported the idea of preserving the Bitcoin we felt we wanted in this way, and who use it and give it actual meaning in real life.

                  [–]JoelDalais 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  We would all do well to take a step back and appreciate how many 'creators' were involved in the coming about Bitcoin Cash

                  this :)

                  but y'know how it is, a lot of people like to not be in the "light" and get the proverbial shit thrown at them (totally understandable!), and i do have :eye: on who blocked stuff and whatnot

                  [–]SeppDepp2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Sorry - this is reddit here...

                  [–]Dday111Redditor for less than 6 months 35 points36 points  (1 child)

                  Bitcoin cash. You triggered the bots with that

                  [–]FreeFactoid 7 points8 points  (7 children)

                  Who controls the GitHub for BCH?

                  [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

                  There is no single repo for BCH, its a collaborative effort between 6 or 7 different groups (Bitcoin ABC, Unlimited, XT, Parity, Bcash from purse.io, etc) to build the protocol.

                  [–]GrumpyAnarchist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  I imagine the banksters asking that question with fear in their voices...lol

                  [–]fgiveme 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  It doesn't use git

                  [–]JoelDalais 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  unlike btc/lncoin, there is no single point, there are multiple development teams with their own repo or version of same

                  [–]dexX7Omni Core Maintainer and Dev 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                  Cheers /u/MemoryDealers for creating this post by yourself. I appreciate it.

                  [–]singularity87 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                  For anyone who wants to participate in a group with more open discussion I can highly recommend our group at bitcoincashers.org/chat.

                  It is a multi-language group so everyone is welcome. We generally have a hands off approach to moderation and we encourage debate. We often hold competitions and have a continuous raffle of BCH. Our next community event will likely be a quiz with prizes.

                  [–]andersrh 14 points15 points  (42 children)

                  Wtf!!! Not again :(

                  [–][deleted]  (28 children)

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                    [–]fruitsofknowledge 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                    This imo is a naive position to hold. But moderation can certainly be done much better under most circumstances with today's technology.

                    [–]GrumpyAnarchist 3 points4 points  (21 children)

                    They should when they are govt agents trying to break the protocol

                    [–]wudaokor 15 points16 points  (4 children)

                    the drivel that comes out of your mouth is unbelievable. Go suck your owner CSW's balls.

                    [–]CatatonicAdenosine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    Just one higgs boson of proof?

                    [–]LexGrom 5 points6 points  (14 children)

                    Who are the judge? You? No! Exposure > Censorship

                    [–]SHITBONFIRE 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    i like amaury

                    [–]2ndEntropy 12 points13 points  (6 children)

                    It's a private group as far as I'm aware, not a public forum.

                    [–]Hakametal 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                    If that's the case, then this shouldn't be a big deal?

                    [–]ratifythisRedditor for less than 60 days 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                    It isn't.

                    [–]Hakametal 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                    Sure as hell is being made into one.

                    [–]UndercoverPatriot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    It plays right into a narrative that is favorable to Core. So they milk it. Notice all the resident trolls are all over this thread, wouldnt surprised if it was upvote botted as well.

                    [–]LexGrom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    So? U can censor private square too. Are rules arbitrary? This is the question

                    [–]P2PTenderRedditor for less than 60 days 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    What is up with forums just banning people for no reason. Too much sensitivity....lol

                    [–]s1lverbox 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                    What a irony....

                    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                    Let's create a new one?

                    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    on memo.cash

                    [–]TotesMessenger 7 points8 points  (11 children)

                    [–]MrNotSoRight 6 points7 points  (10 children)

                    Posted by Amaury himself, "Creater of BCash"... :o

                    [–]gizram84 2 points3 points  (9 children)

                    Posted by Amaury himself, "Creater of BCash"... :o

                    It was a cross post, pointing here. He simply used the same title, which is standard for cross posts.

                    [–]UndercoverPatriot 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                    He changed the title from Bitcoin Cash to Bcash.

                    [–]CatatonicAdenosine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    I think he made his point. Bitcoin ABC lead dev can post on r/bitcoin, but not on the Bitcoin Cash slack.

                    [–]onyomi 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                    So, who wrote the title "Hillarious: Creator of BCash, has been banned from the BCash Slack"? Amaury or someone else?

                    [–]MrNotSoRight 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                    Amaury, because “You need to adapt the message to the audience.” (his words)

                    [–]LexGrom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    It's a bad position to hold. Political correctness leads to downfall of its users

                    [–]grmpfpff 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                    Context missing, Roger. I don't use slack and have no idea what's going on over there.

                    Furthermore, Amaury wrote the first BCH node implementation. I still don't know how he came up with that idea and summoned the support of one of the biggest mining pools out of thin air to make it happen.

                    His latest ideas for BCH seemed at least provocative to other developers. So I am sure there is more to this ban than meets the eye from one Screenshot.

                    Keep it professional, not emotional please.

                    [–]mahalund 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    "Amaury, creator of bitcoin cash"... I thought bitcoin cash is bitcoin, so satoshi created it. You are now admitting indirectly it's an altcoin created by someone other than satoshi? Kudos, hope you keep up the new found honesty.

                    [–]ellahammadaoui 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    "Amaury, creator of bitcoin cash", "Bitcoin cash is bitcoin", "Satoshi, creator of bitcoin" => Amaury is Satoshi...

                    rbtc never fails us in twisted truths

                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    There is no the Bitcoin Cash slack, there is a Bitcoin Cash slack the same way there is not official website, client software, github, or anything else.

                    Aumaury or someone should start a different slack group then if the mods of the one in question are shitheads, simple as that.

                    [–]1Hyena 13 points14 points  (45 children)

                    I once asked what if Amaury was controlled opposition because he seemed to come out of nowhere with a solution that was Bitcoin Cash. Got instantly attacked for even asking that hypothetical question. I then asked the same thing about CSW and everyone was chill. This just shows that I might have accidentally touched a sensitive topic.

                    [–]265 25 points26 points  (15 children)

                    Try to look at what people did, not where they are coming from.

                    Without miner's support for Bitcoin ABC, Bitcoin Cash wouldn't happen.

                    [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 10 points11 points  (14 children)

                    Exactly.

                    And u/1Hyena , I would have expected you to know that Amaury didn't come up with Bitcoin Cash all by himself, it was a joint work between the big block clients and miners.

                    Asking whether someone is is controlled opposition is a pretty serious question raising an allegation. You had better come up with very solid proof when you bring it. It is ALWAYS a sensitive topic.

                    Please show me where you asked the same thing about CSW and everyone (in the CSW camp, implied) was chill. Personally, I think you would get blocked on Twitter by CSW and kicked off their forums.

                    [–]CatatonicAdenosine 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                    When/ where did you ask this? You’ll forgive me for being a little sceptical given this exact line has been suddenly become a theme in this subreddit over the past month.

                    [–]1Hyena 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    I brought this up in the very slack from where Amaury got banned. Some user there got very offended about it and started calling me a moron for even thinking about this. The mods overreacted and deleted the whole conversation. I was left with "WTF just happened" emotion and whined a bit about censorship.

                    [–]CatatonicAdenosine 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                    After our history, why the hell are we okay with such censorship?

                    Honestly, I couldn’t be further away from your suspicions of Amaury, but surely we need a place to air such concerns? Today I have had a number of accounts attempt to smear me, and I’ve almost thought that such behavior needs to be banned. But we’ve seen what happens when we go down that route.

                    [–]Adrian-X 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I remember my first interaction with Amaury. I've been a little suspicious of him since. It was on a thread you started.

                    [–]alwaysAn0n 6 points7 points  (13 children)

                    Nah, CSW is just abrasive as fuck and most people hate that. Except for the few that love it. To them CSW is a god.

                    [–]grmpfpff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    If everything was just black and white...

                    [–]CityBusDriverBitcoin 1 point2 points  (8 children)

                    I respect CSW and I don't think he is a god. What's wrong with people thinking that we worship because we appreciate the guy ?

                    I also respect deadalnix and even some guys in the core camp.

                    [–]Vincents_keyboard 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                    I think people need to be a tad more level headed, am with you that there's good and bad qualities in everyone.

                    Just because one likes the value a person brings it doesn't mean they don't see things in the persons character which they're not chuffed with.

                    People are people.

                    To come back to the topic of the post, am dissapointed the person banning couldn't at least debate or ask questions to learn more or critique more.

                    Alas, people are people.

                    [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                    It's nice to read some mature comments like yours and CityBusDriverBitcoin's in this thread.

                    [–]Adrian-X 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Yes agreed what's happened to Amaury is not justified. I've been disappointed with his positions on a few topics but he's been a net asset to Bitcoin Cash.

                    [–]rabbitlion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    It's just bizarre that people would respect or appreciate CSW. If you do it's probably because you're paid to do so, or you're a fanatic unable to think critically.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Slack is garbage.

                    [–]ashcrypto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Childish baby bullshit. The drama in BCH is absurd. Where's it all emanating from hmmm?

                    [–]ViperfishAU 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I don't use Slack but I'm posting a comment here to support the view that censorship and banning people from conversations should not be part of this community. It's the entire reason BTC exists in the first place.

                    [–]datoimee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    No loss, any looser can do the bcash copy and paste for upgrades, lol!!!

                    [–]Randal_M 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I think u should rename Bitcoin Cash to Bitcoin Hypocrisy.

                    [–]mogray5 6 points7 points  (22 children)

                    So a cabal has formed between devs of ABC and Unlimited clients, this Emir fellow, and some others and they're prepping to take BCH down a specific technical path. Am I getting this right?

                    That's their choice. Seems like they won't be able to do it without mining support though so not sure what all the mudslinging is about.

                    Devs will dev. Some of it will be accepted. Other features will not.

                    [–]CatatonicAdenosine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    Have you seen any proposals??

                    [–]Manticlops 2 points3 points  (9 children)

                    Either way, it sounds like a contentious fork is headed our way.

                    [–]spukkin 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                    Either way, it sounds like a contentious fork is headed our way.

                    haha, just noticed you're actually a BCH hater. i presume you're in here to help further stir up this storm in a teacup. i guess i can't blame you.

                    [–]spukkin 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                    Either way, it sounds like a contentious fork is headed our way.

                    doubtful, BCH miners are not stupid. these tactics may have worked on btc but BCH chain is more resistant to social attacks like this fake drama.

                    [–]lcvella 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I thank you, mods of this sub, for keeping it censor free.

                    [–]fuxoft 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                    Bitcoin Cash was created by a single person? Surely that's not true.

                    [–]awless 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                    I think once you control the communication channels then defacto you control the project. centralization 101.

                    [–]JPaulMora 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    That's because we're still using censorable platforms

                    [–]awless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Fair point, then again how do you do development discussions with trolls armies marching around?

                    [–]hunk_quark 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    Since BCH is Bitcoin, I believe the creator is Satoshi nakamoto. Amaury is the liberator to me.

                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                    Is this the kind of thing that we were warned about?

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOLZNtbLUTY

                    [–]this_gunn_be_goodRedditor for less than 2 weeks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Not a bad video, but I don't agree with the part where he says toxic people focus on future accomplishments, good people on present accomplishments, and excellent people on past accomplishments. Seems like he arrived to that reasoning just to form a narrative against Blockstream. The truth is toxic people will focus on whatever they feel best suits them. If a toxic person wants to use past accomplishments as a crutch, they will.

                    [–]CatatonicAdenosine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    Yes. Rick called it. Some fucked up shit is going down.

                    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                      [–]PeppermintPig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Yeah, that bothers me about this submission as well.

                      [–]this_gunn_be_goodRedditor for less than 2 weeks 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                      Divided we fall. Core and Blockstream are winning.

                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                      Well why don’t they un-ban him then otherwise bch censorship arguments kinda falls to pieces.

                      [–]fookingroovin 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      Surely in a private slack channel you can ban whoever you like? No?

                      [–]CannedCaveman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      Yes, that is possible. Also in a public channel that is possible. The ethics however is another story.

                      [–]chek2fire 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                      I have predict that sooner or later that will happen to bcash fork. The reason is that there are so many con artist around it like Roger Ver, Craig Wright and very few devs with real tech skills but with a false view what is a blcockhain system.
                      Roger Ver you have lost and i can say now get lost. No one cares about your bullshits anymore. You have choose the Bitcoin community to remember you as the most crap corrupt person in Bitcoin history.
                      Gz :P :D

                      [–]ThudnerChunky 2 points3 points  (14 children)

                      Roger you need to stand with Amaury and against the conman and fraud Craig Wright. Go talk to Emin, go talk to anyone with a brain. Dump the FRAUD. He claimed to be Satoshi and maliciously duped Gavin for godsake.

                      [–]rdar1999 1 point2 points  (11 children)

                      Emin? Plz shut it, you are too impressed by "cornell" tags, at least CSW -- allegedly -- puts solid money in BCH alone and don't jump around.

                      As much as I criticize CSW, I'd rather have coingeek+related ppl as supporters any day.

                      I assume you are confused and not trolling.

                      [–]tophernator 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                      Emin has written and published a number of actual papers on cryptocurrency. Craig has “written” some papers, at least one of which was massively plagiarised, and stuck them online. Are you aware how many of Craig’s papers have ever made it into a peer-reviewed journal?

                      The only reason Craig Wright is tolerated by anyone in this community is money. nChain sponsors a bunch of projects using funding from undisclosed sources. Then - depending on the funding level - they make the people working on those projects keep quiet when Craig says something stupid or factually wrong, or even get those people to speak in favour of Craig and attack anyone who questions him.

                      I’m not sure if u/joeldalais is currently funded by nChain, or just desperately hoping to suckle at their teat. But I am sure that one of those two things is the reason Amaury just got banned from Joel’s slack channel.

                      [–]rdar1999 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                      Emin has written and published a number of actual papers on cryptocurrency.

                      Yes, the most interesting is selfish mining but he did it with his advisee Eyall, who probably did large fundamental parts of it, I know how this works.

                      Sadly the paper is spoiled by many outrageous claims (I bet it is Emin's part). The other papers are not nearly as interesting.

                      Craig has “written” some papers, at least one of which was massively plagiarised, and stuck them online.

                      Yes I know, I read those and verified the plagiarism.

                      The only reason Craig Wright is tolerated by anyone in this community is money.

                      What's wrong with it? He can write as many as bad papers he wants, still, if he funds BCH-centered startups and development, he is doing good for BCH and should be recognized (recognized != worshiped).

                      Craig says something stupid or factually wrong, or even get those people to speak in favour of Craig and attack anyone who questions him.

                      Yes, CSW shills are terrible and I've been also calling this out.

                      All-in-all I think you are confusing some things. If someone funds something positive for BCH no one should care how stupid his claims are. Pecunia non olet.

                      This is not to say that he can actually buy people and make them shut up, well he can't as we saw in the BU drama.

                      [–]excalibur0922Redditor for less than 60 days -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      Hmm. Maybe because he has the wrong opinion about group protocol... banned. Wrong opinion

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                        [–]CatatonicAdenosine 16 points17 points  (10 children)

                        As one of the brighter r/bitcoiners pointed out, I think the point Amaury is making is that he can post on r/bitcoin but not the Bitcoin Cash slack.

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                          [–]CatatonicAdenosine 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                          I’m guessing it’s because he can’t make his point if his post gets deleted.

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                            [–]CatatonicAdenosine 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                            Absolutely. And very powerful. Honestly, judging from Amaury’s recent comments, I think he’s been expecting something like this. The writing has been on the wall for a week or so now. Some pretty malicious people have managed to insert their tentacles into this community.

                            [–]fruitsofknowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            He is trolling them though isn't he? I'd hate to see him have a meltdown and actually go the "bcash" route.

                            [–]forcedfor 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                            Thats an insanly dumb point to make, he will only be able to make negative posts about bitcoin cash there and will definetly need to call it bcash to fit in.

                            [–]CatatonicAdenosine 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                            But what if he’s not trying to fit in? By posting there, he’s shaking us awake, saying “what the hell are you doing”.

                            [–]ftraderBitcoin Cash Developer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            And he's also drawing attention to the censorship in /r/bitcoin for those not already aware of the issue. That's a positive I see about his post. They can't ban him without proving that they censor. They must let his post stand, which could make some people listen up and ask 'what censorship?'

                            Other than that I think it's not a great move to post in the censored sub and call Bitcoin Cash 'bcash' since we were fighting that disingenuous renaming campaign and now the fine people at Purse.io have even named their full node client 'bcash', so it's just confusing.

                            [–]a17c81a3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Well fuck this slack channel then. The same tricks won't work twice so easily.

                            Anyone that continues using that slack channel from now on should be considered a potential enemy.

                            [–]JayinnRedditor for less than 60 days 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            What the fuck! We need to build a new slack right now!

                            [–]GrumpyAnarchist -1 points0 points  (9 children)

                            Great News!

                            Amaury has shown himself to be toxic to the community. For people who don't know, plenty of people on this forum were talking about forking and many had already started digging through code to remove segwit when Amaury conveniently popped in on the scene at the Future of Bitcoin conference,

                            This was simply banks seeing a situation and putting one of their assets in front of it, which they ALWAYS do. When you have limitless money, you can always pay to install leaders and control the opposition. This is who Amaury is, sorry if that breaks your heart.

                            [–]Zman420 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                            Wow this is some QAnon level of delusion here! Impressive!

                            [–]Vincents_keyboard 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                            It's okay to have a view on a person, however it doesn't detract from the underlying point of this post.

                            Regardless of your view, or my view, or anyone else's view on the matter, we can all agree we need adoption ASAP!

                            Growing adoption and usage should be numero uno for each one of us.

                            If for talking sake an implementation of Bitcoin cash wants to do something like Segregated Witnesses 2.0 it will be seen, but that's not the case from my vantage point, it's smaller discussions/debates. If that does happen, then it's free reign to pounce (in my opinion).

                            Right now however? Adoption, adoption, adoption.

                            [–]TigermonkeyNYC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            The Banner cowards are raging all over, from Reddit to Twitter to Apple to YouTube. Fearful over-application of public control is the penultimate stage before revolution that overthrows the tyrants, revealing them for the paper tigers they are.

                            [–]ratifythisRedditor for less than 60 days 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            LOL. It's a social slack of friends. One of many. There is no "the" Bitcoin Cash slack. How could there even be? Roger, are you OK?

                            [–]mittremblay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            I love how people still blame CSW for his Slack when he had nothing to do with this entire situation. No more sheeps and trolls please.....