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Hey gang,

This is will be the last question of the prediction tournament. After WWDC happens, tournament will be closed and scores will be tallied.

Why are we doing Predictions?

We aren't doing predictions to get attention or anything along those lines. We are making it for community engagement.

116k people have participated in the tournament, which shows a massive engagement with this New Reddit feature, and only tells us that people like this sort of stuff. We actually asked the admins to see if we were #1, but r/holup has everyone beat with 216k players.

Our traffic stats also show that the majority of the people who visit the subreddit do so from New Reddit vs. Old Reddit. Here's a breakdown for the month of April, as an example:

Pageviews by Month

Platform View Count
New Reddit 4.3m
Reddit Apps 4.1m
Old Reddit 1.7m
Mobile Web 893k

Reddit Apps = first party apps. Third-party apps are not counted on this statistic. According to a Reddit admin (4 years ago), traffic from 3rd party apps made less than 10% of total traffic to Reddit so they didn't bother to count that.

EDIT: As of May 2022, this is still the case. This is what it says for the traffic stats page for the sub

"Well, stop pushing the thread to the top then!

We can't stop it. That's just how Reddit designed the feature. Even people on New Reddit have it this despite having a "Prediction (LIVE)" tab on the menu bar.

If you have further feedback on Predictions, you can contact the admins using their "contact us" form, or post on r/help.

Will you be doing more predictions?

Most likely, yeah. This is a community that heavily discusses rumors, so it is fun to stack all those rumors up and bet on what makes it to a product and what doesn't.

If you don't like seeing these kind of threads, I'm sorry. We won't stop doing them just because you believe they aren't valuable to you. Just scroll past it whenever you see it (specially if you use a third party app that doesn't handle Predictions thread well). It does you no harm, and it does us no harm.

On the other hand though, we are monitoring feedback on this and will pass it along to the admins for consideration.

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Fuck this yo

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My Apple WWDC prediction: In U2 iPod style, we'll see the return of artist branding... with the introduction of the Fleetwood Mac Mini: https://triosdevelopers.com/jason.eckert/stuff/FleetwoodMacMini.jpg

If I'm right, by this time tomorrow, it'll be Second Hand News...

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Apple is going to introduce a Flutter-like framework, using Swift, to let iOS developers target Android.

My silly perdition is that Apple does buy EA and mashes The Sims together with Memoji. They also use this as a Metaverse hub going forward.

Maxis and Apple could create some cool things.

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“Apple Music is no longer a bug ridden pile of complete and utter ahit that break just as often as it works, we think you’re gonna love it!” Time cook, probably

Honestly I've heard this opinion and also never understood it, I hardly ever have issues with it. Occasionally I guess, but no more or less than any other music app.

Do people have that much trouble with Apple Music? I use it on my 13, iPad Pro, and PC. The only trouble I’ve had has been through using iTunes on PC to listen to AM. Even then the issues are few and far between.

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Lol apple users.

lol to someone who uses Apple users as derogatory yet comments in an Apple sub specific for this type of content.

Why so sirius?

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I want 2 things

schedule text messages and always on nightstand mode option for the watch, notice I said "option" so people that are happy with the way it is now with motion can still keep using it that way

Siri, schedule daily text message to my boss @ 8:57am: "Hey, I'm running late"

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Wow y’all are GRUMPY

Remember when these events were actually exciting? Now it’s hyping “redesigned system preferences.” Wgaf?

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Who knew that the r/Apple subreddit would be filled with Apple haters.

Should we go to PC and Android subreddits to actually have discussions about Apple or something? Is that how it works?

Unironicly yes.

At least on 4chan that is the case, best threads I've ever read have been on the wrong board.

Some examples: Car thread on /fit/, video game thread on aut/o/, Book thread on technolo/g/y.

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Who cares? I have bought so many apple products that just sit there.....

Same here but a like a quarter of them are IC locked. If apple made the locks expire after a few years or so that would be enough to make me go back to buying new products

Locked devices and accounts can be prevented really easily.

Passcode locks just need a computer then erase

For the Apple ID, you can add multiple trusted numbers, account recovery contacts, trusted devices, and recovery keys. People get upset when they do none of the above and never update their information and then get locked out

I know right and somehow it just happens so often. I'll be at my desk for a couple hours trying to learn a phone while i swap random logic boards until one isn't locked and it's annoying that they can't be fixed any other way

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I predict it’ll prob break compatibility all my audio plugins…again.

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Some useless trash. Or something android brought out 5 years ago.

I was right already lel

My question is: why? Do people really need or want new iOS and macOS? Can’t minor updates accomplish the same thing? Would love it if major tech companies stop pushing minor updates disguised as major updates to make hardware outdated to sell new hardware.

"minor updates disguised as major updates" <----- this.

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iOS 15 and likely 16 is still being supported supported on the iPhone 6S, a 7 year old phone at this point which is an eternity for a mobile device. Sure it's a minor update, but if if the old hardware still gets it then what's the problem

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Hell, even the first generation SE is still supported, it's 6 years old and has the design of the iPhone 5s, a design launched in 2013, almost a decade ago. Long ass OS support is a definite benefit of iPhones over android, where on that side of the fence you get 2 years of updates, 3 if you're lucky and security patches don't go on for much longer then 4 years.

For some Androids it is 4 years plus 1 year of security updates. But whatever.

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No problem with me. If they still support the iPhone 6S, that's awesome. I guess I'm still butthurt from Windows 11.

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u/Remote_Micro_Enema avatar

It's going to rain

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Wild (unlikely) prediction: Apple has a line of phones that allows the Android operating system.

That would certainly garner press coverage and sales.

For a subpar OS with updates called cranberry-cum-glazed-donut or some other stupid shit? Yeah. That would be wild.

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Things that are more likely than this:

  • Zombie Steve Jobs replaces Tim Cook as CEO

  • Apple exits tech business entirely to focus on selling high end playing cards

  • Tim Cook resigns because he will be the next James Bond

  • Apple branded AR-15

  • Apple II returns!

  • Ninja Sex Bots

Any of these would skyrocket Apple share prices

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less than .000000000001% chance of that happening

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I predict that this constant spam will cause me to unsub.

Leaves Sub-Reddit

Oh shit! my prediction came true.

Apparently, you care,

I care!

So do I. So tired of seeing this post that can't be hidden.

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No you don't. Stop puffing him up

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Lol. Okay Apple. Calm down. I might as well be reading a General Electric Predictions thread.

Why is this month old dog shit advertisement of a post being constantly spammed in my feed? Wtf!?!

Because they have added new predications for people to vote on. The post is old but new questions are now available.

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holy shit theyre done with X?

I wish they weren’t. 11 and 12 are fucking garbage. The same bugs that were preset in 11 are still there in 12. They need to stop putting energy into iPhones, iOS and the App Store and start focusing again on the only good product they make.

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there's no difference between X, 11, or 12 aside from their typical yearly updates

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I both can't access this content and I don't give a shit about it.

u/ffffffn avatar

I hide this stupid thread all the time and it still keeps popping up

What is this attention whore seeking shit

u/Dotaproffessional avatar

Awol subreddits participating in karma manipulation. Like r/holup and r/mildly infuriating doing the same "predictions thread" every week so that it keeps getting more and more upvotes.

This should be grounds to quarantine a sub

Awol subreddits participating in karma manipulation. Like r/holup and r/mildly infuriating doing the same “predictions thread” every week so that it keeps getting more and more upvotes.

Tell me you don’t understand how this thread works without telling me that you don’t understand how it works

This should be grounds to quarantine a sub

Yes. Let’s quarantine those subs because they are using admin-provided features that’s working as planned by the admins themselves. Makes sense.

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Because admins have always made the site better not worse. Admin approved couldn't mean less to me

Admin approved couldn’t mean less to me

You are the one calling for subs who use predictions to be quarantined.

And now you are also saying that Apple is paying to push this as an ad? I think you belong in r/conspiracy my dude. Critical thinking isn’t your strongest suit.

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Reddit wants exactly this. They added the feature for a reason. They wouldn't quarantine it even though I agree

u/Dotaproffessional avatar

I'm sure apple paid a whole lot for this ad to hit the front page frequently

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2000 dollar monitor stand

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You find it expensive bc you are not the targeted consumer.

I find it expensive because it’s expensive

u/kukulkhan avatar

Again, if you find them expensive it’s bc you’re not the targeted consumer.

u/flambic avatar

I don't need HDR mastering, but I do want high DPI w/ 32" and it's the only 6k monitor at any price that will plug right into an M1 MacBook Air. I got the VESA adapter and put mine on a Fully arm and the space underneath the monitor is clear.

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Just because someone can afford it, doesn’t mean it’s not expensive.

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u/SpeculativeFiction avatar

You find it expensive bc you are not the targeted consumer.

For a ultra-high end monitor with exacting color/contrast standards for video/image editors, absolutely! That's a niche product a select few people need, and the expense is (in large part) due to the quality control, parts, and the fact that not many people need them, so they need to make higher margins per-item.

The monitor stand, on the other hand, is almost entirely Apple gouging people because they can, similar to print manufacturers with toner/ink. They likely make 95% profits on sales of them, and they shouldn't get a pass for that.

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Again, if you find it expensive then you’re not the targeted consumer.

Repeats the original comment and adds zilch to the conversation 👍

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2000 dollar monitor stand

With 'custom', non-standard mounting holes - they'll change the size and pattern every 2 years.

2 years? I figured they would do it multiple times within this year's product line.

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They show those every time a new prediction gets added to the same prediction thread because it’s treated like a new post.

It's just ridiculous, this is some of the most blatant karma farming I've ever seen on this site and practically every major subreddit is doing it. Why the fuck does APPLE need a precictions tournament??

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bro for real. what tf is this fucking thread always going to top? Did i miss some kinda cringe ass reddit update?

Did i miss some kinda cringe ass reddit update?

yes

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1 person interacts with prediction, straight to the top of r/all

Predication: Apple still sucks

Would really like to see some new features from Apple wallet. Some Lock Screen customization would be nice as well. The shortcuts app is being used by a lot of people to just change the icon of an app, I think the natural next step would be to allow you to actually change the app icon in settings.

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October.

I have an xr too and I am waiting until september

u/Dry_Badger_Chef avatar

iPhones typically launch in the fall. I’d wait if I were you.

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I hope they add external monitor support to iPadOS (even if it is just one monitor)

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You can do that already, no? I remember plugin my iPad Pro via USB-C to a monitor and it worked, although I think only in mirroring mode.

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Yeah, I mean like real external monitor support. Right now it not only just mirrors but it also doesn’t utilize the monitor’s aspect ratio, causing for terrible letterboxing and pillarboxing. If the specific app supports external monitor support, in the given context, the entire screen is utilized.

I would love for improvements to this experience where it wasn’t only app based but also the default mirroring was better.

My ideal: I would love to view Safari and Notes in side-by-side and it take up the entire 27” of my external monitor. That would be game changing on the iPad.

I agree. Also they need to just roll MacOS and iPadOS in to one version already. That's where they're going anyway.

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Didn’t they just drop the m1 ultra Mac mini?

No that was the Mac Studio, a first generation product.

They released the updated Mac Mini with the first M1 alongside the MacBook Air 566 days ago.

u/ForeverInaDaze avatar

I'm not even kidding, I was on microcenter's website right before I posted this looking for a Mac Mini, and it had a $900 "mac mini m1 ultra". It didn't say mac studio, likely a description error though.

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u/deadweightboss avatar

Lenskit?

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Visionkit.

u/A_SnoopyLover avatar

Making resize-able windows would break many apps.

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No apps would support that on release.

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What do you mean?

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Unnecessary but frequent hand gestures while talking.

maybe they'll fix Monterey?

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It’s not broken.

Except for SMB, overly sensitive usb power problems, browser windows not opening in the foreground, poor WiFi recovery from sleep, yeah, it’s perfect.

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SMB on MacOS has been broken far longer than Monterey. I have zero hope of it ever working correctly.

Interesting. I've only ran into problems with SMB since Monterey, although this also my first M1 style box.

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What is smb

Samba - file sharing

Super Mario Bros

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I like the multitask feature it already has to be honest

Getting rid of lightning

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Wouldn't that basically kill any iPhone sales until the next release?

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Man I’d love a software update that gets rid of a hardware port lmao

You say that but they showed off hardware in WWDC 2019 they could again, especially a big change like this, or atleast announce it or something. Idfk it's a prediction

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Not a prediction, but what I’d like to see: iPadOS having a new feature that lets you dock it to a keyboard, mouse, and monitor and have a full desktop-grade UI.

I do this already with the magic keyboard and the ipad pro. Not 100% ideal, there's certainly room for improvement.

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That’s more of a hardware release thing. They can’t put a fingerprint reader in iOS16

Wait till they figure out a way to use Face ID sensors to read fingerprints. But only limit it to pro devices!

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Enough.

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They’ll probably have some apple store employees present some stuff to further virtue signal and show how “they’re a family and do the best work of their lives at apple so they don’t need a union”

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Fitness+ on the MacBook would be rad.

That wouldn’t be a bad idea to be honest.

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Why are all of the predictions labelled "And it is" and "Do not"? That doesn't make any grammatical sense... is it some bad inside joke?

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Boss ordered me a new one for work at the start of the month 😭

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Bro. Tell me you lying. Lol

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my ipad is fucking useless, i literally use it as a room prop and for notes w the apple pencil. Worst apple purchase ever 😂

u/Eastern-Lemon-4760 avatar

I have an old one that I use purely as a book reader. Greyscale, airplane mode and it does a pretty good job for a 10 year old iPad.

u/AlbertHummus avatar

How long do your reading sessions last? Why do you prefer it over a Kindle

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The iPad I paid for was worthless to me, sold it and only took a small hit

The iPad my work gave me is indispensable but I rarely use it for work

Really funny how that worked out

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Why was the one your bought bad but the one from was work good?

u/g1rth_brooks avatar

In my opinion iPads are kinda worthless compared to laptops so I always regretted spending money on the iPad

But I gotta say the first gen iPad Pro is still a fucking rocket, feels faster then my iPhone 12 Pro (guessing 120z display is the real winner)

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Please improve the Notification Center or whatever it is called on iOS.

  1. No quick actions

  2. swiping left to right on notification opens the widget screen,

  3. right to left opens options.

  4. Dismissing notifications is such a strain. Swipe too hard to dismiss in one motion and you sometimes end up opening the camera.

  5. If you have three notifications for three messages from the same chat, you click one notification to open the chat and the other two remain on the Lock Screen. You have to dismiss them separately 🤷‍♂️

  6. Sometimes, notifications from gmail are separated. Some showing above the word “Notification center” and some Showing below the word. Not sure why

  7. Very easy to miss notifications due to lack of notification icons or led at the top of the screen. If your phone has been in silent for a couple of hours and you get an important message, no way to know unless you happen to check the notification screen or happen to swipe to a page that has the app icon with a badge.

Other improvements I am hoping for:

  1. how difficult is it to implement a battery percentage indicator? No idea why iOS is so backwards in some aspects.

  2. Widgets are useless. They are just oversized app icons.

  3. Stop lying about Wi-Fi indicator. Off means off. It shouldn’t mean just disconnecting from current Wi-Fi but still have the radios turned on in the background waiting to connect again.

  4. PLEASE GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO TURN ON/OFF LOCATION FROM THE SHORTCUTS.

  5. USB-C charging please.

u/dahliamma avatar

There's definitely a ton of things they could improve with notifications, they're nowhere near as useful as Android's notifications, but:

No quick actions

Long press a notification. They're there.

If you have three notifications for three messages from the same chat, you click one notification to open the chat and the other two remain on the Lock Screen. You have to dismiss them separately 🤷‍♂️

That's up to app developers to implement. A lot of apps don't correctly dismiss notifications when the app is opened, but unless Apple removes control from developers and starts dismissing all notifications once an app is opened (which would be disastrous IMO), there's not much they can do.

Sometimes, notifications from gmail are separated. Some showing above the word “Notification center” and some Showing below the word. Not sure why

That's by design. The notifications above "Notification Center" are new ones that have arrived since you last unlocked or while you were using your phone during the current session, and the ones below are ones that have been there through you locking your phone. The assumption is that you've already seen these notifications and decided to deal with them later, so they get filed into the "Notification Center" section for you to deal with later. The exception is the new time sensitive notifications introduced in iOS 15 and alert level notifications, those are always above the divide.

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  1. This is really useful, thank you. When I say quick actions, I meant swiping down like on Android and replying to the notification without jumping into the app. Having said that, I didn't know about the long press, which would be useful to delete a message, so thats definitely useful, thank you.

  2. About having to dismiss individual messages from the same chat.. Mainstream apps like discord do that sadly. Hopefully this gets fixed somehow.

  3. Thank you. Not sure how I feel about having same app's notifications separated out instead of the entire group being pushed above, but at least I know why that is happening. It gives me the wrong notion that I am done with an app's notification when there could be more lurking around below.

Thanks for taking the time to explain the reasons and solutions for some of the issues. Much appreciated!

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  1. That’s actually also possible, but it again depends on the app developer. Discord, as an example, has a quick reply box that pops up when you long press. But implementation is a little lacking across the board.

  2. This is one of my biggest annoyances. Apple gives developers the tools to implement this properly, but so many developers don’t take the time to implement it properly. It’s funny you mention Discord since it’s one of the apps that’s really egregious about it from my experience, and they somehow are both dismissing too much and not enough simultaneously. I’ve had it automatically dismiss notifications from other channels so I lose track of them, and also have had it not dismiss messages from channels I’ve seen.

  3. It takes some getting used to for sure. I still find myself missing notifications because they got pushed to the side (down?) when I locked my phone, and I switched to iOS over a year and a half ago.

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Thanks. That makes sense. I will start using that feature, at least for discord.

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they're nowhere near as useful as Android's notifications, but:

BS

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How much of Bluetooth can Apple control? Why is it that my airpods cant detected when they're out of my ears, but will switch to airpods sitting on my desk when I clicked speaker on my phone?

Yes. 10x over yes. The stupid Wi-Fi thing. Why is it so hard to TURN OFF. I’m driving. Don’t randomly connect to an xfinity hotspot that I don’t have a username for and lose internet all together.

Just stay off. Also, remember when I tell you to forget a network…

that's an easy fix. just set up a shortcut

i have mine set for WIFI ON and WIFI OFF

  1. Settings > Wi-Fi > Toggle on/off. I rarely have use for that. The function Disconnect Nearby Wi-Fi Until Tomorrow is more useful to me, which is what happens in Control Center.

  2. May that behavior be because of Ask to Join Networks or Auto-Join Hotspot, or is there somehow special behavior for your cellular network operator?

Yeah I’m curious how their phone is connecting to nearby networks if it’s just off until tomorrow?

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Couldnt agree more.

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Sounds like you want an Android which has all of these things and more ~~

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I have a Oneplus 7 pro as my secondary device which I love. Secondary because Apple Watch of course wont talk to Android phones.

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u/JoshFreemansFro avatar

why does this shitpost keep coming to the top of my feed

u/Lifespinner avatar

The post says one day old and there are comments from 1 month ago. This is some messed up forced manipulation

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Reddit heavily promotes these because they spent a bunch of effort on them and hardly anyone really gives a shit

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I love them. Feels like gambling

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Can only participate on Newreddit, and it gets bumped much more frequently than other posts. They're just tryna force people to stop using old reddit.

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Calculator.

for iPad!

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U2 themed calculator. Forced download.

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O so you mean the functions my android has forever, you apple fans are something else.

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Android good, Apple bad. Give upvotes

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Come into an apple thread about apple updates to talk about your android. You android fans are something else

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Not true, we won't get all the nice security vulnerabilities that your Android has because of the lack of updates.

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5 years of security updates for Samsung phones which is by far the most popular Android manufacturer.

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Unless your public figure, or criminal, you don't have to worry. Your SSN , and long term info is already out.

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Pixel user myself and long time android user. Sure they get the features later but they at least don't get a buggy half achieved mess most of the time lol

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With 78k upvotes, I would wager it’s on the front page.

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It’s got 78k upvotes so it’s on the main page, that’s probably why

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Golden State by double digits.

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Hell yeah ✌

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Luka Doncic owns Curcuck sadly

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Nah, Blue Mountain State has it in the bag this year.

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BaySide. Zack and Slater are unstoppable.

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Why is this post 12h old with comments that are 1mo old? Reddit confuses the shit out of me sometimes.

You probably use RiF or old reddit, that's why it looks that way, it's a thing they're trying to do in new reddit. I think I'll add a filter for those post because they annoy the shit out of me too

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that's why it looks that way

They're changing the date of the post, that's why it stays on the top and keep accumulating upvotes 80k now. Doesn't matter if you can participate in the feature or not.

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Old Reddit user here - the top of the screen around the r/Apple text looks all glitchy, wtf is this lol

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