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Tom Hiddleston Explains Why Loki Was Never A Villain in the MCUDiscussion (screennearyou.com)

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[–]Wasteland_Mystic 484 points485 points  (18 children)

He killed 80 people in two days.

[–]A_Lurker_Wandering 296 points297 points  (6 children)

He’s adopted?

[–]Lt_Hatch 58 points59 points  (0 children)

You do have a point

[–]Snoo3014 69 points70 points  (5 children)

Totally get the reference but the battle of new York would have killed tens of thousands, twin towers killed 3000 ppl in 2 buildings.

No way they evacuated the entire city in the 30-60min the battle was going on.

The amount of shit and buildings falling would kill soooo many ppl

[–]Garfs_Barf 41 points42 points  (0 children)

The line is actually said before the battle of New York

[–]DeathstrokeReturns 29 points30 points  (2 children)

The line is actually said before the battle of New York, shortly after the Shakespeare in the German park.

[–]CaribouYou 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Doth mother know you wearest her drapes?

[–]DeathstrokeReturns 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is beyond you, metal man.

[–]samtherat6 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That took him three days.

[–]AsgardianLeviOsa 34 points35 points  (1 child)

It was Thanos’s fault 💅🏼

[–]Toss_Away_93 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Thanos was right…

[–]aquaticsquash 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Tom Hiddleston: From my point of view the Avengers are evil!

[–]cuminabox74 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Isn’t it canon that he was somewhat being controlled (both by force and magic) by Thanos and the stone in the scepter?

[–]bobbi21 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don’t think he was ever mind controlled. But definitely was kind of forced. Pretty obvious thanos was in charge and would be very unhappy with Loki if he failed. How they came into that relationship is unknown.

[–]LiamtheV 139 points140 points  (2 children)

*Uses a metal claw to shave a dude's eyelid off and scan his eye to get into a vault, probably scouring the eye in the process.

"It's just a prank bro, I have a complicated relationship with my adopted family bro, It's okay bro."

[–]Toss_Away_93 18 points19 points  (1 child)

The thing that gets me is they have an eyelid-shaving-eye-scanning devise. Why did that technology exist? Who made that?

[–]LiamtheV 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Something something operation paperclip, something something nick fury "we continued to develop Hydra evil tech in case Thor happened" something something, "contingency in case Nick Fury's eye lid gets more fucked up and we have less than 30 seconds to get it open for a retinal scan"

[–]Jarita12 231 points232 points  (0 children)

I love how Tom is the biggest Loki defender :D "Misguided choices" :D

[–]Flat-Leadership2364 98 points99 points  (19 children)

So the invasion of New York was just Loki being a naughty little bugger? "He killed 80 people in 2 days".

Nah, he was a villain till Thor: Dark World

[–]Rilyharytoze 38 points39 points  (3 children)

it was a mistake ok a misunderstanding if you will

[–]FinalMeltdown15 13 points14 points  (1 child)

He was just being a silly little guy

[–]dm_me_kittens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just being a goofy goober. You wouldn't accuse a guy with glasses of attempting world domination!

[–]Flat-Leadership2364 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Just a funny little prank that nearly destroyed the world.... he's very sorry now that his big brother is here to hit him

[–]Wookie301 24 points25 points  (1 child)

We’ve all had bad days

[–]somecasper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'll have that drink now.

[–]Forsaken_Garden4017 13 points14 points  (1 child)

And the 80 people was before he unleashed a massive alien army that most certainly killed a bit more than 80 people

[–]micahisnotmyname 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just call it an even 100

[–]Millerjustin1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He just slept and fell into an alien invasion.

[–]Swift_Bitch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The events of New York were done under the influence of the Sceptre that Thanos gave him. He’s not really any more responsible for it than Hawkeye is.

[–]spidey-dust 0 points1 point  (5 children)

And I’m sick of people saying how he was manipulated by the scepter / was mind controlled during that movie

[–]bubblegumpandabear 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It would've been an awesome plot reveal but yeah that's not what was intended.

[–]Swift_Bitch 14 points15 points  (3 children)

It may not have been intended when they wrote the script; but it is canon to the MCU:

https://www.marvel.com/characters/loki/on-screen

Gifted with a Scepter that acted as a mind control device, Loki would be able to influence others. Unbeknownst to him, the Scepter was also influencing him, fueling his hatred over his brother Thor and the inhabitants of Earth.

Marvel themselves are the ones who decided to make it canon.

[–]Ms_Fu 10 points11 points  (0 children)

When I saw the movie I saw the bags around his eyes, his limp, his general demeanor and thought--that guy has been tortured.
Then I saw the blue eyes similar to Hawkeye's when he was under the influence, and it was clear to me that Loki had been broken and put under the mind stone.
Of course, I'm a huge Loki fan and this was before it was canon.

[–]bubblegumpandabear 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Omg wait what?? So the theory that he was tortured is true? I take it back.

[–]ballrus_walsack 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My precious

[–]blackychan75 -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

After Thor: Dark World he kidnapped and deposed Odin and stole the tesseract to give to Thanos. That man did no good whatsoever

[–]bobbi21 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Someone needs to rewatch the movies

[–]blackychan75 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or you could just say whatever your hinting at. If I made a mistake I'll own up to it but vaguely saying nothing is just annoying

[–]alienlovesong 129 points130 points  (3 children)

Actors can never see their characters as villains because their characters don’t see themselves as villains.

[–]camilopezo 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Except Penn Badgley.

He considers that his role as Joe Goldberg is a monster, and that people should not idealize it.

[–]BearOnTwinkViolence 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And then they make half the victims pedophiles, rapists, toxic influencers, etc.

I love Penn and he’s totally right that Joe shouldn’t be the hero of that story, but when the vast majority of his victims are unsympathetic narcissists…

[–]MarthaMyDear67 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well that's just verifiably not true

[–]Switchbladesaint 94 points95 points  (13 children)

I mean, he was pretty clearly a villain. Hell, Odin was a villain at one point.

[–]AsgardianLeviOsa 77 points78 points  (12 children)

Odin was the real villain of the Thor franchise but y’all aren’t ready for that convo

[–]gavino_tay 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Lets hear it

[–]thunderPierogi 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Odin is the Chuck McGill of the MCU

[–]SkekJay 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Man was gaslit till his gaslit

[–]chejordanxxx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Loki! He defecated through a sunroof!

[–]BinJLG 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You mean the conversation all the Loki fans were having on tumblr roughly 10 years ago?

[–]Tityfan808 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. I thought they did a great job at telling that side of his story in Ragnarok.

[–]UsernameLaugh 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Odin was many things over a lifespan you can’t imagine. If given thousands of years to live let alone hundreds you’d be surprised who you become.

[–]naughtmynsfwaccount 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I think ur taking the MCU a little too seriously with this comment 😂

[–]UsernameLaugh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha yes. Maybe.

[–]Zealousideal-Ad-2045 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So what's the fun of not taking it "a little too seriously"?!?!😁

[–]Tr0llzor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

K bet

[–]UsernameLaugh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Remind me when you turn 76

[–]elenuvien1 65 points66 points  (0 children)

tom read too many fanfics explaining how loki did nothing wrong ever lmao

[–]SupervillainIndiana 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I kinda get what he means from the point of view that Loki in the MCU has never been the "for the evulz/lulz" sort of guy and fell into the bad stuff through a series of catastrophic events but...he's undeniably the villain in The Avengers. It's a bit more ambiguous to a point in the first Thor film.

And don't get me wrong I love him in both films and I did my time in the fandom trenches of 2011-13 trying to fend off the accusations of blindly loving the bad guy but tbh sometimes I miss the days when he was a irredeemable little shit. I adore him as an anti-hero figure as well but I don't want to ignore the bad bits, I think people should be comfortable with admitting fictional villains are often fun. Nobody real got hurt...it's ok!

I get Tom is probably saying this because he's got 15 years of some serious in-character psychology to work with though :)

[–]Kinky_Winky_no2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not being evil just for the lulz is step one on writing a 3 dimensional villian character i find it funny that he tries to start multiple wars and the fact that he didnt do it for fun is a hilariously low bar, lmao, fuckin hitler leaps that bar

[–]KidSilverhair 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If you actually click on the article I’m pretty sure the author is not “Sanya Rehman” as claimed but instead a really not-very-good AI. Seriously, it’s worse than a seventh-grade book report.

[–]virtualchoirboy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

At some point everyone is a villain in someone else's story... :-)

[–]I-lack-conviction 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Didn’t he murder like a thousand humans?

[–]bugieman2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Phil Colson disagrees

[–]cojallison99 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Bro Loki brutally took a mans eyeball out of its socket and I assume killing the dude in Avengers.

You could speculate all of the indirect people dying in the battle of New York as just him being egotistical and not realizing people died but he single handily slayed several people

[–]Kinky_Winky_no2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Start an invasion to conquer a world call them ants and watch the destruction but he didnt realise people would die is the wildest take ive ever heard, hes been in combat and likley wars with thor for centuries hes definitely not unaware of the death it creates so even as speculation its an insane position

[–]BinJLG 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bro tried to commit genocide twice, but okay Tom 🥲

[–]Tbplayer59 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That crowd in Germany would beg to differ.

[–]Aggressive-Ad-5397 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Love Hiddlestons loki but...  the eyeball drill, subjugating crowds, mind controlling many main characters leading to ongoing trauma, unleashing a violent army on a city, the list is not short

[–]Next-Calendar4274 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We all have our ups and downs,the guy just killed 80 people how bad is that we have all done worse at a point.

[–]ViviCaz 2 points3 points  (2 children)

How do you guys know that this is even real? Fake news, unless there is proof. I have never heard Tom say that Loki was not a villain. He talks about the character all the time. This "interview" is badly written and on an unknown site.

[–]Jarita12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He said it on Jimmy Kimmel last week. But better watch the show than read the article because he says it in a very hilarious, Loki way :D

[–]elenuvien1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he's been saying it or years, there's a video of him talking about it during the recent panel with owen and sophia.

[–]jgreg728 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“He was da best guy arounnnnndddddd!!!”

“What about the murder?”

“WAT MURDAAAHHHH?????”

[–]illnessincarnate 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Uh, I don't know if I'd agree with you there, Tom...

[–]nage_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He ripped that guy's eye out

[–]Worldly_Diamond_5487 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He killed Son of Cole he will never be redeemed in my mind! Which is why I hate myself for loving the Loki show.

[–]trantaran 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The real villain was Tony Stark. Now that guy really is no good!!!!

[–]SomeoneOnlyWeKnow1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is the article written by an ai lol

[–]Jarita12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here is the original interview. It is hilarious how he says that :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgbJsC7H6bE

[–]TheDebateMatters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait…I read the article and never read Hiddleston saying Loki was never a villain. Did I miss it?

[–]egg-sanity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shut up yes he was

[–]ensh1ttification 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Uhhhhh did we forget the German guy that compared him to hilter though???

[–]WinterCaptain12 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I mean, wasn’t Loki controlled during the first movie?

[–]DeathstrokeReturns 0 points1 point  (4 children)

First Avengers or first Thor?

[–]WinterCaptain12 3 points4 points  (3 children)

First avengers, I thought it was canon now? But idk

[–]DeathstrokeReturns 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That can’t exactly excuse everything. We saw Tony, Cap, Thor, Bruce, etc being made more aggressive by the scepter’s presence. But it’s not like they all immediately started trying to rule the world, they just said some harsh stuff that they probably normally wouldn’t. 

Loki was a pretty sick person back then, even without the Scepter’s influence.

[–]WinterCaptain12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s true, I don’t think Marvel has explicitly stated he was directly controlled rather than indirectly controlled via its influence

[–]SupervillainIndiana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marvel seem to have flip flopped over the years on how much the sceptre influenced him but I go with he definitely wasn’t mind controlled (you see some fan bullshit about blue/green eyes constantly but MCU Loki has blue eyes…because Tom’s eyes are blue) but it enhanced his worst traits same as it did to the heroes.

What this doesn’t take into account is trying to kill the Frost Giants - I love Loki and being a fan of a villain in works of fiction is fine, but trying to destroy a planet with the bifrost was 100% Loki. That was all before Thanos and the sceptre. He was having a meltdown sure but still doesn’t excuse it of course.

[–]Swiftwitss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man can’t villains just be villains? I’m so over these shows and movies painting villains as “misunderstood” or just turning them into to anti-heroes. Just give me someone who is bad for the sake of being bad please

[–]A_Lurker_Wandering 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Um, it’s literally the line from the movie and it’s a bad joke. It’s just people enjoying community around a movie they liked.

I seriously doubt anyone here is walking around and blaming people/using that they’re adopted as an excuse for behavior.

Was the line in bad taste, sure. Does anyone here really believe it, no.

[–]SyntheticDreams2099 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's not a villian, he's the quiet kid. A victim of his circumstance who took his anger out on the wrong people.

[–]holyhibachi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Counterpoint: yes he was

[–]capodecina2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He murdered 80 people. The only place a person who has done that is somehow redeemed or turns into a good guy it’s on television and the movies because in real life he still murdered 80 people. 80 families that are affected 80 people that are dead. 80 families growing up without a father or a mother or son or a brother or sister or a daughter or an uncle or aunt. Or wife or husband. Ask them what they think about redemption for murder.

[–]a_serious_dude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"He is a mass murderer" Okay so what.

[–]Loki_not_his_clone -4 points-3 points  (23 children)

I totally agree. Loki was never a villain in the MCU.

[–]DeathstrokeReturns 2 points3 points  (22 children)

Attempted genocide? Alien invasion? Killing 80 people in TWO days?

[–]WallyOShay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honesty one of my biggest pet peeves was bringing Loki back during his peak villainy, forcing him through his entire character arc in 2 minutes via video, and turning him right back into a hero/anti hero. Such a waste.

[–]Sudden-Ad3386 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

He was just a poor misunderstood man with mental health problems, hopefully a brown Loki shows up and immediately gets labeled a terrorist.

[–]Kinky_Winky_no2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its because no girl would date him and he was being bullied