Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity, US court rules

Notmymain2639 · 2024-02-06T15:44:58+00:00

I kind of expect SC to just refuse the case and let this ruling stand. There isn't much of a win for them either way if they do take it.

orbitaldragon · 2024-02-06T15:38:34+00:00

Originally Jack Smith wanted the case to go directly to the Supreme Court since it was always going to go there anyways. The Supreme Court refused to take up the case without it going through the whole process of initial ruling, and appeal.

Many say it's so they can delay as much as possible.

However, I can't help but wonder if they just wanted as many other judges and rulings as possible to be set as pillars before they go ahead and bury Trump.

LawNo9454 · 2024-02-06T15:17:26+00:00

Hey look they followed the law. So how is he going to respond with the fact even if he won re-election it won't keep him out of prison?

hotstepper77777 · 2024-02-06T15:26:43+00:00

Another ruling in favor of democracy, but an expected one.

The real show was always the SCOTUS ruling. Tee it up.

id10t_you · 2024-02-06T15:31:24+00:00

The founders explicitly arranged it so that we wouldn't have a King. This ruling wouldn't normally be surprising, but we're not exactly living in normal times.

way2funni · 2024-02-06T15:54:32+00:00

and so it begins..... if he's not immune from 1/6, he's not immune in the docs case where he claimed he could just 'think about it' and voila! declassified

That's the REAL drop dead serious 'go directly to Federal Prison (or a converted building on an Air Force Base just for him and his detail) - do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Elsewhere, this article was posted by Marc Elias regarding the US v. DJT in the National Security Documents case.

Marc Elias is a highly regarded Democratic lawyer on election and voter rights who has represented the Democratic National Committee, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic Governors Association.

He served as general counsel and lead counsel on multiple Democrat campaigns including John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Al Franken & Kamela Harris.

Following the 2020 presidential election, Elias supervised the response to dozens of lawsuits filed by the Donald Trump campaign seeking to overturn Biden's win.

Out of 65 such court cases, Elias prevailed in 64.

Marc posted this opinion that Trump is probably going to prison before the immunity decision case down. Whatever the probabilities were that Trump COULD possibly go to prison for these offenses WAS, it's jumped now.

tl;dr This is turning into the first of what may be many very bad days for Trump. This isn't a $80MM judgement that he can have his PAC pay, this is him in a romper getting locked in a cell every night and having to sit on a steel commode for savages instead of his gold plated one.

PS: for those not keeping track, this Thursday SCOTUS hears arguments on DJT and the 14th amendment as to whether of not he can and should be kicked off the ballot for 'insurrection'. While you may not hear their opinion for some time, todays ruling of immunity is probably going to play a role.

edit: a letter

DarthBluntSaber · 2024-02-06T15:49:00+00:00

Presidential immunity should never be a thing.... the whole point of our country and laws was that NO ONE is supposed to be above the law. That was part of what the founding fathers found problematic with the monarchies of Europe, amongst many other issues. Individuals holding office in the US are NOT supposed to be treated like royalty, and it's incredibly disturbing how hard extremists on the right have pushed to treat Trump and his criminal family like they are royalty.

sanguigna · 2024-02-06T16:26:53+00:00

"If immunity is not granted to a president, every future president who leaves office will be immediately indicted by the opposing party," [Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung] said. "Without complete immunity, a president of the United States would not be able to properly function."

Future presidents HATE this ONE WEIRD TRICK!!!

Maybe don't commit crimes if you don't want to be indicted for crimes, you fucking weirdos. Idk.

Drakinius · 2024-02-06T15:49:45+00:00

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ryo4ever · 2024-02-06T16:17:20+00:00

This guy would instigate civil war just to stay out of prison.

wintersdark · 2024-02-06T17:14:13+00:00

"If immunity is not granted to a president, every future president who leaves office will be immediately indicted by the opposing party," Mr Cheung said. "Without complete immunity, a president of the United States would not be able to properly function."

Man these people are so stupid.

If presidents have full immunity, then Biden can simply stay in power for the rest of his life, because he can break laws with impunity. Hell, he could have Trump shot and be done with it.

Trump supporters should understand any power they are trying to give to Trump they are also giving to Biden, and think about that some.

Checks and balances exist for a reason. The position is president, not Emperor.

tamachan777 · 2024-02-06T15:25:16+00:00

Has he boarded his plane to Moscow yet?

boringhistoryfan · 2024-02-06T15:34:51+00:00

Oof. Two days or so sooner and Chutkan wouldn't have needed to take the case of her calendar. I wonder if she'll reinstate that now quickly or if the delay is set in stone.

It's the ruling that was expected and of course trump is gonna go screaming up to SCOTUS, but I really hope the trial court can get back on track now. Trump wants delays on this. And the courts need to stop giving him those wins.

TerriblePartner · 2024-02-06T15:30:19+00:00

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wynnduffyisking · 2024-02-06T15:55:26+00:00

I doubt the Supreme court is willing to establish that a president is totally immune to criminal prosecution. That would be insane. But I bet they’ll probably drag this out ensuring he can’t be brought on trial before the election and then if he wins election the case will get dropped.

Meanwhile the document case is dying a slow death in Florida and in Georgia Fani Willis may have managed to completely derail any possible trial schedule because she is apparently that fucking stupid.

So yeah, I think whether Trump sees a single day in jail is gonna depend on the election. So to all you Americans: do me and the rest of the world a favor and get your shit together and vote Biden. If Trump gets another presidency it’s gonna affect all of us too!

browster · 2024-02-06T15:33:01+00:00

About time. I can't believe it took them a month to decide this.

MandoDoughMan · 2024-02-06T15:26:28+00:00

No shit, lol. Our leader being just a guy is THE signature feature of our entire government.

donquixote235 · 2024-02-06T17:06:17+00:00

"For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defences of any other criminal defendant."

We should start calling him "Citizen Trump".

log_asm · 2024-02-06T15:56:39+00:00

How the hell is this guy even still alive. He’s a speed freak who was shitting himself years ago and salts mcdicks.

CishetmaleLesbian · 2024-02-06T15:21:23+00:00

You got that right. The constitution also says that, as an insurrectionist, he is not eligible to hold office again without a 2/3rds vote of Congress. Let's enforce that!

Edit: It looks like today the effort to bar the insurrectionist in the Supreme Court failed, due primarily to the inability of the attorney to make the oral case competently and to answer the questions of the justices. Too bad. A better lawyer might have prevailed.

YourDogIsMyFriend · 2024-02-06T18:23:59+00:00

"If immunity is not granted to a president, every future president who leaves office will be immediately indicted by the opposing party," Mr Cheung said. "Without complete immunity, a president of the United States would not be able to properly function."

Don’t steal documents. Don’t conspire to overthrow the govt. Don’t rape. Don’t illegally pay off porn stars from the Oval Office. And we’re good.

There’s an army of lawyers that work along side the president at every decision. Making sure he doesn’t break the law is their job. This argument is completely moot.

Bjornlandeto · 2024-02-06T15:19:43+00:00

Every day this asshole appeals is another day justice is delayed. I wish it were speedier for the sake of us who would prefer not to have a fascist moron in the White House.

samwstew · 2024-02-06T16:54:20+00:00

Gonna be ketchup on the walls of mar a lardo tonight…

black_flag_4ever · 2024-02-06T15:35:52+00:00

The argument from Mr Trump's lawyer hinged on the idea that a president who is not convicted for impeachment by Congress cannot be subject to criminal proceedings. Mr Trump, they noted, was impeached by the House of Representatives but never convicted by the Senate.

Impeachments are political. Many of the GOP senators who voted against impeaching Trump acknowledged Trump did wrong. This includes Mitch McConnell who blamed Trump for the Jan. 6 insurrection. They chose party over country, but judges don't have to. https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-trial-live-updates/2021/02/13/967701180/after-vote-mcconnell-torched-trump-as-practically-and-morally-responsible-for-ri

TheDadThatGrills · 2024-02-06T15:32:34+00:00

"When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all"

Imagine the fallout if the court ruled differently.

spliffs68 · 2024-02-06T15:22:15+00:00

sanity prevails...for now

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Muscleman1122 · 2024-02-06T15:47:49+00:00

Of course he doesn’t. Ridiculous it took longer than a day to get this vote done.

Lefty_22 · 2024-02-06T19:16:30+00:00

"If immunity is not granted to a president, every future president who leaves office will be immediately indicted by the opposing party," Mr Cheung said

Donald Trump wasn’t indicted by the Democratic Party or the POTUS thereof, for his criminal charges. This argument doesn’t hold water. The SCOTUS would have to completely bend over backward to logically turn over this decision if it is appealed.

ChopEee · 2024-02-07T00:00:10+00:00

"If immunity is not granted to a president, every future president who leaves office will be immediately indicted by the opposing party," Mr Cheung said.

Couldn’t they just, idk, not do crime in office?

xdeltax97 · 2024-02-06T16:51:42+00:00

Hopefully the Supreme Court refuses to take the case. No President should be immune- we do not have a dictatorship.

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