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🚨FUTURE BACHELORETTE SPOILERS🚨The Bachelor producers really "screwed the pooch" on the bachelorette (self.thebachelor)

submitted by Affectionate_West708the women are unionizing...

I love Charity and going into this season I was rooting for her to be bachelorette.

But watching Ariels hometown... not only has she made multiple comments about being Jewish but seeing her father so obviously being an immigrant with English as a second language I think they missed a huge opportunity to showcase diversity in so many ways.

The bachelor has made it clear their idea of diversity is black and white... literally. I want to see other religions showcased. I want to see every ethnicity. And I really love to see an immigrant family featured and wish they would've picked Ariel to check all the boxes.

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[–]abyssaltourguide💔 I'm so broken 💔 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I was rooting for Ariel to be Bachelorette! There hasn’t been a Jewish lead in so many years. I would love more diversity in general though especially with an Asian lead.

[–]crazylsufan 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I can’t wait for the producers to cast a contestant who did blackface in high school or who has racist comments online for a black lead season.

[–]Single-Confection-34 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Who cries more, Rachel or charity? TBD

[–]Flaming-Charismathecca nation 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Charity didn’t cry that much… not even close to rivaling Rachel

[–]Single-Confection-34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She cried every episode when she wasn’t even the lead yet lol

[–]sunshineshapeshifter 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Sometimes bad bitches cry

[–]squatterbeei brought tacos🌮 whats going on? 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I am all for an Ariel season but I think Bach exec just aren't ready. I was reading somewhere that casting Rachel Lindsay was already pushing the envelope because she's a POC and fairly liberal. That season has a lot less viewers than previous seasons.

So now they have reverted back to their roots with a safe bet.."classic Christian Southern Belle hopeless romantic just looking to find the one...and oh who so happens to be black". If they do go through with this choice I am imagining another PP season with some wild contestant drama and the lead doing the ole 🤷‍♀️ We'll see if I end up watching the full season.

[–]charlotteraedrake 53 points54 points  (4 children)

Bleh. Charity is so unstable and clearly not ready for marriage in my opinion. Will be the first season I think I’ll skip. Snooze

[–]Lcmofo 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Unstable how?

[–]Professional_Top_310 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Something’s just off, she still has to recover from her last relationship

[–]charlotteraedrake 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes this! She did not seem nearly over her ex since she cried about it and brought it up constantly. I’d say she needs time to find herself before another relationship

[–]butwhereismustard 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Same, after Katie’s season I promised myself I am not suffering thru another season with a lead I can’t stand. All I got from that experience was annoyed and some emotional turmoil thanks to Grippo. I’m good.

[–]No_Cranberry_2228 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Amén to that

[–]Harmania 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Yeah, they don’t care.

[–]Alalated 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They only care about what is marketable.

[–]LongSummerNight[🍰] 61 points62 points  (9 children)

Initially I like Ariel but finding out her anti Palestinian comments I think they made the right choice. My only problem with Charity is I know nothing of her personality. They often edit out the person.

[–]No_animereader1471 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Context please

[–]Careless-Street-4391 22 points23 points  (4 children)

If you can cast conservatives, you can cast pro-Israelis.

[–]LongSummerNight[🍰] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I mean genocide is slightly more concerning though.

[–]Careless-Street-4391 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I don't know what you would call two invasions of middle eastern countries in two years, but it's not so great either.

[–]LongSummerNight[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

True.

[–]gillsaurus 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Many of us were brought up to drink the israel Kool-aid and it took a lot of work to unlearn that shit.

[–]Sweat_and_sunscreen 73 points74 points  (3 children)

I agree with what someone else here said: Ariel could have been offered and turned it down. She’s way too cool for this franchise.

[–]alittlebeachy 122 points123 points  (2 children)

She’s not too cool for a franchise she willingly signed up for

[–]GeniusBtch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But she admits that her friends basically signed her up as a joke and she took it as a joke. She wasn't a fan and she did it bc "dating in NY was basically dating a guy that was dating 30 other women anyway."

[–]Sweat_and_sunscreen 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This made me lol. That’s true! That’s so right 😂 But I feel that there’s a difference between being a contestant and being the bachelor/bachelorette

[–]tinywombat00 67 points68 points  (4 children)

agree w your sentiment that the bach sees diversity as black/white, but honestly, my immigrant parents wouldn't allow me to be the bachelorette, theyd barely let me even go on the show.

[–]jseesm 53 points54 points  (3 children)

Also whenever diversity issue comes up, I can't ignore the elephant in the room....

Nearly 50 leads in the franchise and not a single Asian to be found. What's up with that.

[–]tinywombat00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

caila quinn is problematic in her own right lol but like... that was a great opportunity there....

[–]Careless-Street-4391 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not as vocal of a minority. The producers only do what they need to do to keep people appeased.

[–]butwhereismustard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Resurrecting my campaign: Steve Moy for Bachelor

[–]Piggypink929 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I would’ve loved Ariel as bachelorette too for many reasons but we don’t know whether or not she was offered bachelorette and turned it down either! Too me she seems too cool for this franchise but her and Charity are my favorites so I’m glad at least one of them gets that experience!

[–]jseesm 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I love Ariel and was rooting for her to be the next 'ette.

What I don't understand with these contestants in general is if these are too big issues that their partner need to know, religion, culture, etc. why do they wait until homecoming to talk about it?

The middle name is a fair question but also a bit extra. But all together with everything else, they know very little about each other or use it as an excuse to send someone home.

[–]scotchbonnetpeppery 32 points33 points  (23 children)

It is presumptuous to think of a Jewish contestant as religious. Only 35-40% of ethnic Jewish people are practicing the Jewish faith according to several Gallup polls.

[–]Imthecoolestdudeever 18 points19 points  (7 children)

She said she was practicing though?

[–]scotchbonnetpeppery 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Yes, Ariel explained that when someone enters her life, they need to know that she is proud of her Judaism, her family and where they come from. In general, though, many Jewish people are not practicing Judaism.

[–]Imthecoolestdudeever 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Right. So having Ariel as the Bachelorette would be representation of a group that hasn't historically been represented on this Franchise for exactly the reason you just said.

[–]anonymous_anchovyTahzjuan’s friend Mr. Crab 🦀 21 points22 points  (10 children)

it's still an ethnicity that would be cool to watch

[–]UseMotor5592About the dog!? 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Many Jews are atheists, which is another group I’d love to see represented on the show.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes to atheism!

[–]ashwee14geriatric millennial 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Right? We only have Ivan for atheists lol

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (10 children)

I think production told Zach to send Charity home at F4 so they could make her Bachelorette.

By the time this season was filming, the Erich scandal had already played out, Michelle was pissed they didn’t address it, and there was likely interest BTS in having another BIPOC Bachelorette.

If production hadn’t stepped in, I honestly think Charity could’ve been F2. since Ariel’s family gave Zach the ick, and the cultural disconnect between them is too large. and his relationship with Gabi wasn’t even close to where it needed to be for an engagement.

[–]Cheesecake_Which 3 points4 points  (1 child)

who is erich

[–]secretagent2638 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Season 19 - Gabi's final rose. They eventually broke up.

[–]Nosferatu8008 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What does f4 and f2 mean?

[–]mandypandaswiftie 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It means the final 4 contestants and final 2 contestants

[–]Nosferatu8008 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I should have figured that out. Lol!

[–]Affectionate_West708the women are unionizing...[S] 55 points56 points  (3 children)

I think producers told him to take her to F4 so she could become bachelorette. He clearly likes and respects her but there is no chemistry or romantic connection.

[–]Creative_Vegetable23 16 points17 points  (2 children)

This actually isn’t true. A good friend of mine is very close to Charity & things were definitely very real between them.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I was going to say this, you can tell he has a connection with her. You can tell when he isn’t into someone. I loved Charity family too

[–]awalawolthe women are unionizing... 18 points19 points  (0 children)

There's 0 evidence of this, but I wonder if Charity and Zach connected on religion/Christianity. They're different sects, but he grew up pretty religious and did Bible study in college, and Charity has some religious stuff on her IG. Out of everyone in the F4, they would probably connect the most on that level, if religion did come up at all. It sometimes does if religion is important to the lead (Hannah B) or contestant (Madi). I haven't seen anything from Gabi/Kaity on or off screen to see potential for a religious connection there.

All that to say I never bought their romantic connection, but I did see something else there that was different.

[–]girl0032 49 points50 points  (0 children)

BIPOC is not a substitute for Black. Just say Black.

[–]shelly_odom 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I bet u her family just scared producers away. 🤣🤦‍♀️ they were like run… run as fast as u can..

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Lol imagine CH eating lunch with her brother Bobby

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (13 children)

Serious question…haven’t there been more Jewish winners and leads than monoracial African American winners and leads? Isn’t Rachel Lindsay the only Black lead and haven’t there been zero Black winners if you consider Charity the second monoracial black lead?

When it comes to diversity being black and white, the other African Americans or Black leads are: Matt James (Black and White) Michelle Young (African American and White) Tayshia Adams (African American and Mexican)

Winners are: Nayte Olukoya (Black and White)

[–]Important-Raisin124🍎 Miss Michelle 🍎 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Yes speaking as someone who is Black & white, I feel like the Bachelor has picked biracial leads and then they reallyyy play up the fact that they are not fully Black to cater to their white conservative audience. I have loved watching Michelle & Tayshia but I am really excited to watch Charity next season. I just hope they choose men for her that actually like Black women, as Rachel Lindsay‘s season had literal racists on it as well as Black men who didn’t date Black women. I really hope production treats her well. Would love to see a Jewish lead but I don’t think it’s fair to say that producers messed up because they picked a Black woman over a non-Black woman, like the original post is implying.

[–]salutesols 9 points10 points  (0 children)

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[–]UtopianMatrix 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Nayte’s last name isn’t Young, also technically Dale (Claire’s season) ‘won’

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I accidentally combined Michelle and Nayte’s names lol. He’s biracial and so is Dale.

[–]Important-Raisin124🍎 Miss Michelle 🍎 5 points6 points  (2 children)

We can’t forget about Dale! Lol

[–]lybl 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Plus, it would have been extremely entertaining to watch Ariel’s brother threaten to beat up any of her “suitors” if they didn’t treat her properly during the season!

[–]savagebuns 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Agreed! Why does it feel like the viewers work so hard to champion diversity and when it finally starts to turn a corner, the show still fails in representing other minorities

[–]becomingsherlockTeam Women Supporting Women 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Does anybody have links to Charity’s socials? I want to follow her.

Edit: found them.

IG: https://instagram.com/charitylawson?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Twitter: https://twitter.com/charitylaws_?s=21&t=ggNXBWOCn2Ps1XSxbi1JCw

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@charity.lawson?_t=8ad3z3LN1kE&_r=1

[–]salutesols 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Shocking she’s only at 24k. Oh right, we know why lol

[–]illsetyoufree 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why?

[–]SPamlEZ 68 points69 points  (5 children)

I’m curious to see how charity will cope with the emotional challenges of being the bachelorette. She’s cried the most of anyone this season. She’s looking for a love story that’s no realistic.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

How does crying equal poor coping skills? She’s expressing emotions which is healthy.

[–]Accomplished-Ad-5951 90 points91 points  (3 children)

Why do people equate crying with poor coping? She is expressive and allows herself to cry when that’s what she is feeling but she always composed herself. It’s not a weakened to cry.

[–]SideFit8721 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I completely agree with you. Being vulnerable with yourself is very health. It’s good to cry.

However, I will say as a viewer watching leads that cry too much gets a little old. I’ve found leads that don’t cry as much to be easier to watch. For example, Rachel cried so much through her season. From beginning to end. All very valid, but it got so tiring to watch. It made the season feel too dramatic. Tayshia cries during her season, but not as often. It wasn’t really until the end when connections got stronger. It was a more fun lighthearted, but romantic season. That’s just my perspective.

[–]MaybedeltoroTeam Sscoutt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I agree. She cried the entire time during this episode. Feel your feelings but this will get old.

[–]pennyj702 31 points32 points  (4 children)

JP Rosenbaum was also Jewish

[–]ASofMat 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Isn’t Andi Jewish too?

[–]antiqueblush 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes. Also Jason Mesnick

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I feel like there’s a chance that ariel’s family might not have been on board/comfortable with the idea

[–]Otherwise_Tour5391 108 points109 points  (1 child)

Jojo is half persian and they really should’ve done a better job at promoting that too

[–]Eccentric_pony 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had no idea! Her mom grew up in Iran?

[–]LaughingZTeam Microwave Relationships -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

Isn’t charity from another country originally?

[–]Accomplished-Ad-5951 145 points146 points  (2 children)

New Jersey, so culturally speaking kinda

[–]illsetyoufree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heh heh

[–]Disastrous_Orchid368 82 points83 points  (1 child)

To be honest, Ariel's always given me more main character in Paradise vibes. I've never really seen her as the bachelorette. The edit never gave that to me personally.

[–]OreoincakeeeRageful 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Completely agree. I don’t think they seriously considered her for ette based on her edit and lack of screen time until they had to show her.

[–]Logical-Bullfrog-112 146 points147 points  (10 children)

bachelor/bachelorette has had such an extremely weak show of asia and south asian representation. I feel like they truly think just black is the answer to their diversity problem

[–]CoreyH2P 34 points35 points  (8 children)

100% this. They have done better casting Black people, but they haven’t done a thing with basically any other minority group. I don’t even think an East or South Asian has ever made hometowns or even come close

[–]intheafterglow23if you rock with me you rock with me 23 points24 points  (7 children)

Catherine won Sean Lowe’s season (and is now married to him) and Caila was F3 on Ben Higgins’ season.

[–]CoreyH2P 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Sean Lowe was before I started watching but wow yeah I completely forgot about Caila, she was pretty boring lol

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Tessa Horst also won the 10th season of the show and was engaged to Andy Baldwin. There have been 2 Asian winners of the show. That means there are officially more Asian winners than black.

[–]Areola_Grande_these are the crucibles in which true love is forged 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I thought Dale and Nayte won too though ?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

They are both biracial. Rachel Lindsay is the only moniracial Black winner or lead and remains that until Charity.

[–]Areola_Grande_these are the crucibles in which true love is forged 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, but in response to your comment comparing Asian and African American contestants, none of the Asian winners are monoracial either. I just think all minorities are still underrepresented in this show.

[–]intheafterglow23if you rock with me you rock with me 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to say I don’t want to see way more diversity, including Asian and Middle Eastern contestants!

[–]yadiyadi2014Excuse you what? 39 points40 points  (3 children)

Disagree. Charity is the right choice and I think she is going to deliver a fantastic season. Ariel to me is very dull. Her family and heritage is really cool, but I find myself zoning out every time Ariel is on the screen. I just don’t find her compelling or captivating, although I know I’m in the minority here because this sub is salivating over her for some reason I cannot understand.

[–]Accomplished-Ad-5951 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Her humor is dry I think is what’s coming across as “dull” for you…if you zone out you miss the jokes because she is so straight faced

[–]ButtFire21 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I really struggle to remember any humor from her

[–]Potterhead-PottHead 90 points91 points  (5 children)

I’m way bummed. Ariel would have been such a fun bachelorette.

[–]ButtFire21 -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

What makes you say that? I’ve been so surprised at how far she’s made it because I just think she’s boring.

[–]Potterhead-PottHead 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Really? I think she’s so funny.

[–]ButtFire21 0 points1 point  (2 children)

And I guess a lot of people feel that way. Weird being in such a minority on this lol.

[–]Potterhead-PottHead 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Haha hey that’s alright! It’s all about preferences.

[–]kevnardian 10 points11 points  (8 children)

How do we know Ariel isn’t the final pick?

[–]Affectionate_West708the women are unionizing...[S] 45 points46 points  (7 children)

I would recommend refraining from asking questions in spoiler threads if you are unspoiled.

[–]kevnardian 0 points1 point  (6 children)

This was just tagged as future bachelorette spoilers.

[–]Affectionate_West708the women are unionizing...[S] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

And any of the f4 could be a future bachelorette.

My first sentence gives the pick for bachelorette away but any of the final 4 women could be picked so if you aren't spoiled for the season you have to know to avoid spoilers for the next lead until the season is over

[–]kevnardian 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Charity was eliminated this episode, and in the preview for tomorrow they are clearly announcing the bachelorette, so I would assume it wouldn’t be any of the F3.

[–]Affectionate_West708the women are unionizing...[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Well don't make assumptions I guess

It could've been any of the final 4. My title nor my tag should've made you feel safe looking at it after the ep if you're unspoiled

[–]alittlelessconvoeveryone in BN fucks 231 points232 points  (0 children)

As much as I love Charity and will tune in every Monday for her season, it would’ve been pretty cool to see a Northeasterner as the lead like Ariel. Just a change of pace from the typical Southern/Midwestern/Californian lead.

I’m Black and I live in Brooklyn, so it’s pretty much win-win in my books if the lead was between Charity or Ariel.

[–]Ok_Ad5315🖕 wrong fucking answer 🖕 27 points28 points  (7 children)

Wasn't Andi Dorfman openly Jewish?

[–]somethinggoeshere11 52 points53 points  (3 children)

She asked JP if he knew what her religion was and in peak Juan Pablo I don't care attitude he shrugged, "Catholic?" And Andi replied with a, "no."

[–]Affectionate_West708the women are unionizing...[S] 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Such an iconic scene. Crazy how they left it in, made her the bachelorette, and yet still edited out her religion 🤦‍♀️

The edit leaving in so much about Ariels background and her being from a Jewish immigrant family is a breath of fresh air and I'm desperate to see more of this type of diversity

[–]Affectionate_West708the women are unionizing...[S] 92 points93 points  (2 children)

She is openly Jewish but the show never showed it. Jason Mesnick has said they went out of their way to hide it and didn't want him to do any Jewish traditions at his and Molly's televised wedding.

The fact the edit has shown Ariels Jewish background is really ground breaking for this show which is so sad. It's long overdue

[–]gillsaurus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s also odd considering Elan isn’t with the show anymore and was when a lot of the Jewish erasure was happening even though he’s Jewish himself.

[–]Barcelona539 9 points10 points  (0 children)

💯

[–]Asleep_Custard195 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I don’t think Ariel’s family would’ve been on board with that at all…

[–]Demilio55Team I Love That 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I think Ariel would be a great choice. How do you know whether they even asked her though?

[–]kp1794 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I hate that phrase lol

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