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SpeculationWife Swap Question. (self.WattsFree4All)

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Plenty of us have agreed that SW and NK were ultimately different flavors of the same controlling woman. But something recently came to my mind: we like to say that CW and SW were only together because it was convenient or that they were mismatched even from the start....were they? CW being a gear head and SW working and being part of the culture of Dirty South actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it. SW came across as someone who knew a lot about cars and enjoyed the sexy vibe and culture of where she worked. I can absolutely see CW falling head over heels for her in the beginning. She absolutely was his type for where he was at that point in his life. Y'all also know that I think he was ultimately a childfree man. I think he would have been perfectly content having zero kids. Marrying the sexy and fun boss babe with fertility issues and no kids from her first marriage of six years sounds right up his alley. We know their story so there isn't much more to go into with that.

Not even a decade later we have NK enter the picture. CW had gotten back into working out, and SW was pregnant with their third child. We can't be exactly sure when his affair began, but we do know that it was physical when SW and the kids were in NC.

My question is two fold: Let's say we switch the characters, do you think that if CW had initially married NK and later met SW that he would have cheated? I know that looks aren't everything, but in my opinion SW is overall better looking and at the time when they met, she was sexier. NK was plain Jane and to be honest I side eye a woman that interested in fitness and guy stuff who is still single at her age. It makes me think that long term commitment just isn't her thing. Couple that with her wanting CW to find his own place instead of inviting him to live with her and continuing to keep her dating profiles open, I do wonder how serious she was about him. And please do not come at me with Google searches. Her best friend was getting married and without context we have no idea what those Google searches were about or if they were applicable to her personal life. Actions speak louder than Google searches.

My thoughts are that CW was interested in NK because she was new and different and he was in his glow up.

My second question is this: Do you think that a lot of the anger and resentment that CW had towards SW was that his marriage was a far cry from what he thought he was getting in the beginning?

These thoughts are coming from just an overall idea that some men level up while married to cheat with someone who is different than their wife, but that they aren't showing what they're truly interested in, had they initially married their mistress, they could just as easily cheat on that type of woman with the woman they married.

When in reality SW and NK were a lot alike, just different in that NK had less debt. Heck, the other day I paused a video of SW without make up and if I told you it was NK, you'd believe me.

Thanks for bearing with me guys 😂 tell me what you think!

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[–]Own-Bicycle-212🚲 I want to ride my bicycle.... 10 points11 points  (11 children)

My thoughts are wrapped up in a time machine. If Chris had met and married NK first, I don't think Shanann would have stood a chance because she and Chris really had nothing in common.

[–]That__EST[S] 5 points6 points  (10 children)

I saw the House of Gucci movie in theaters and it made me think of this relationship. Basically Gucci married his first wife played by Lady Gaga who uses some underhanded maneuvers to get them to a pinnacle of Fame and lifestyle and then cheats and leaves her for a model who isn't the same way. And it made me think that easily they could have traded places. He could have married the model and then been blown away by the woman with the extroverted personality and business chops who could elevate his business. Gucci ultimately loses his business btw.

I honestly do think that CW could have been lured by either of them. Had he married NK, I easily think he could have met SW (and I'm saying SW as he initially met her: once divorced, no kids, big house, working at a flashy car shop) while working as a mechanic and been wowed away from his plain, tomboy wife. CW seems like the kind of guy whose attachments are no deeper than a puddle and who can be wowed by "different". I also think that as an added boost, SW too would relish being The Other Woman Who Got Him. TBH, I wonder if NK wasn't just karma kicking her in the ass. Both SW and NK seemed like controlling women who enjoyed the role of The Other Woman.

[–]Own-Bicycle-212🚲 I want to ride my bicycle.... 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Plus Chris lacked experience with undamaged women (as far as we know). He definitely did not belong with Shanann...and found that out probably after the first bankruptcy. I was always struck by something Chris said about being happy in the relationship with Shanann only during the first two years. Something to that effect. Had he not ever met Shanann he would have never left NC and would have never met NK; but since he did meet and marry Shanann, it was Shansnn herself who unwittingly put Chris on the path of NK when she self-diagnosed his carpal tunnel and he got employed at Anadarko.

[–]That__EST[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

since he did meet and marry Shanann, it was Shansnn herself who unwittingly put Chris on the path of NK when she self-diagnosed his carpal tunnel and he got employed at Anadarko.

See this is what's so crazy to me: she wanted him to be away from the Ford dealership because of other women, but then she leaves him for five weeks.

u/charliensue and I have wondered aloud if this sounds like some kind of case study in human behavior and when I think about these stark contradictions in behavior I just sometimes want to throw the bullshit flag.

[–]Own-Bicycle-212🚲 I want to ride my bicycle.... 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I hear that! This definitely is a case of human behavior--and social interaction at every level. I'm waiting for the definitive case study just looking at the dynamics of all involved.

[–]That__EST[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I bet we could do a meta study.

I seriously want to know what makes a Shiner a Shiner. Like how can they be interested in this case but have no desire to look deeper at all.

[–]Own-Bicycle-212🚲 I want to ride my bicycle.... 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good point. Interestingly, on YahooNews I saw a story about a toddler who was allowed by her parents to run amok on an airplane flight. And there was a photo (taken from behind) of the child standing atop the food tray. And the child had those pig tails like CeCe! My immediate thought was: OMG! Could this be the child of a Shiner parent!?

[–]AirLexington✈️ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The Shiners hit Chris on the head with their purses because they’ve bought the Roos’ kool aid about Chris deciding to kill SW because of lust for his mistress. The shiners are afraid their own husbands will do the same. I have read hundreds of shiner comments over the years and this is (my) main takeaway.

[–]That__EST[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I remember one particularly memorable Shiner comment where she talked about how her husband was a good man who would NEVER do that. And I thought to myself...it has been a bad omen in the past for people who vouch for others behavior. That's a lot of why this case is so interesting, Shanann likely would have said the same thing about her own husband!

[–]AirLexington✈️ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In many comments like the one you mention, the shiners were saying they began side eying their husbands and wondering if they would end up attacked. Every other comment. Some even said they changed their behavior toward their husbands as a result of this case.

Some shiners would see the marriage as less than ideal and grudgingly acknowledge the trap baby and Nutgate and fade away and move on. I remember one comment from one shiner about SW, “ Why did she constantly badger him on the phone from NC?”

Others see nothing wrong with SW’s behavior and place the blame 100 percent on Chris for not speaking up, effectively removing any blame off SW for her shitty behavior. These are the majority of shiners still posting today. The more realistic shiners have left the room.

And SW never thought in a thousand years CW would lay a finger on her. She said she would deliberately try to provoke him.

[–]AlwaysAMermaid 1 point2 points  (1 child)

AMEN. Same sad crowd who thinks Trashy Markle is great I suppose!

[–]That__EST[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which lol that you bring it up, that fanclub seems to be getting smaller and smaller every time they open their mouths.

[–]Brief-Pickle2769 3 points4 points  (3 children)

NK and SW were about the same in looks.

[–]That__EST[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree. They could have been sisters.

They look like if they had switched lifestyles, they would look like the other one.

[–]Own-Bicycle-212🚲 I want to ride my bicycle.... 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Chris clearly had a type, dare I say. But he wasn't very bright when it came to women.

[–]SnowWhite05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are there any pictures of NK actually wearing full make up and properly dressed up? Many think SW was more attractive but she made her face up and Nikki didn't. I don't think NK was too bad looking considering she seemed to go natural so dressed up she probably would have looked stunning. Shannan was a lot plainer minus her make up, still looked good though but With it on she looked lovely.

[–]NefariousnessWide820 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I don't really agree with the premise. I don't think Shanann was interested in cars. Just because she worked at Dirty South doesn't really mean anything. Shanann's other jobs didn't have anything to do with cars, or even each other. She bounced around from one thing to the next, in unrelated fields.

At Dirty South, my understanding is that she was an assistant manager. That wouldn't mean she knew anything about cars. She probably mainly just made schedules and placed orders. Plus, from Dirty South's Facebook page, they mostly do bodywork customizing, whereas Chris was a gearhead. Also, Shanann doesn't really have anything on her Facebook page or anywhere else about cars, so it doesn't seem like she has any real interest in them.

With that said, to answer your questions, I think Chris was certainly capable of cheating on Nicole. However, I doubt Shanann would be willing to have an affair with Chris. I think the only reason she liked Chris in the first place was because she was in a jam and needed his help, and that he would do as she wanted. If Chris was married, he couldn't help Shanann financially. He also wouldn't be able to be at her beck and call, as he was during their actual relationship. Plus, I doubt Chris would have the desire to bend over backwards for Shanann in that instance, given he would be married to a fit, attractive wife, rather than being a sex deprived, single 20-something who was begging to get laid.

To your second question, no I don't think Chris was angry because his marriage didn't turn out like he thought it would. I don't Chris really gave that much thought to marriage. I think Chris was angry because his life in general had gone down the tubes. He wanted a "do over."

[–]That__EST[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So basically you think that he was only with her because she was there. Hmmm. That does make sense with how it panned out.

It's still so shocking to me that he cheated and then made a plan to leave. That is relatively uncommon amongst married men. Most men "cheat to stay" as they say. They might get caught and their wives leave them, but the intention was to stay in the marriage. Usually.

[–]NefariousnessWide820 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I would say it's not as uncommon to cheat and leave. I would say that in some situations, the man wants to leave to begin with, and either the affair is the catalyst, or he just didn't feel like waiting for the end of the marriage.

[–]That__EST[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That makes sense. I'm glad you chimed in.

[–]SashaPeace 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I think CW had very low self esteem and issues with confidence for most of his life. SW had a larger than life personality and took control and that was something that he “needed” at that time in his life. She brought him out of his shell, he traveled with her, he felt “normal” and social. Then he lost weight. Got into working out. I think somewhere, someone along the lines, brought his change to his attention. He started looking better, feeling better. (As someone who works out every day- it definitely gives you a natural high). SWs was also bossy (she didn’t deserve to be killed- I don’t mean that in any negative way). I think what used to be behavior he “accepted” and just said “well that’s SW”, was something he could no longer take. Enter NK. She was “different”. Exciting. Refreshing. Most mistresses are. Until they are not. My father was a divorce attorney for 40 years. He always said- in all of his legal career, out of the hundreds and hundreds of clients he had that left their spouse for who they swore was “truly the one” - they were never the one. None of them had a “happily ever after”. He said maybe a small handful are still married, but he would guess miserable. Most tried to go back to the spouse they left for “the one”.

[–]That__EST[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Ok why are you so interesting and why am I just now meeting you? 😭

Would your father say that most "leaving for another person" was initiated by the husband or the wife? I say that because my thoughts are that men seem to be able to compartmentalize and use affairs to supplement their marriage more than hypergamously leave their marriages for other women.

[–]SashaPeace 2 points3 points  (3 children)

100% more often husband initiated. Also certain professions (I will say which) have higher rates of infidelity. BUT, more women DO have affairs than we really know because they are less likely to be caught. So the “who initiates” leaving a spouse doesn’t necessarily represent who is more likely to have an affair (male or female). Female adultery is less reported than male adultery. I do feel swayed to believe men would still be at the top even if we did know the correct amount of men vs women, but I can’t say for sure.

[–]That__EST[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That is so interesting and I believe you. I am obsessed with the topic of infidelity. Like every part of the topic and it's just so interesting to see things from a divorce attorney perspective.

[–]SashaPeace 3 points4 points  (1 child)

My dad also did have an affair which led to my parents divorce. He flat out says the marriage would have NEVER, ever worked, he can see that now, but he does 100% regret the affair and says if he could change one thing in life it would that he hurt my mother like that. He definitely doesn’t want to be with my mother and never did want to be with her again after the affair, but he said the guilt he felt was terrible and taught him to never cheat again. So I do believe from his experience, once a cheater, always a cheater is NOT true. My father went on to remarry and has been with his wife for 27 years. They are truly one of the happiest couples I have ever seen. We do have serial cheaters, but some people do learn from their experience and don’t do it again.

[–]That__EST[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I absolutely agree with that. Some people are quick learners and won't cheat again.

I will say though. I believe that plenty of things happen for a reason. It would be one thing if he regretted cheating and wanted to be back with your mom. But he doesn't. He regrets cheating but is happier than ever in a decades long marriage. While being cheated on hurts, so does being left "for no reason". There probably isn't a good reason that your mom would be ok with when the end result is that he wanted to be happy with someone else.

Lol, I've said in the past to people struggling with being left after being cheated on "would it feel better if instead of Someone Else, it was Literally Anyone Else Including Being Alone"? At least you can say he was pulled out of the marriage by someone else, not that you were just so bad that he literally would choose anyone else or be alone.

But I'm also a weirdo 🤣

[–]trickmind 2 points3 points  (3 children)

She's not really a plain Jane at all. She's quite attractive just in a kind of boring, nondescript way. Lol I think NK would have been more considerate about his needs.

[–]That__EST[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

SW and NK look like the same woman who just took two different paths. Anyone looking at them and knowing they were with CW would say that he had a type. But I do think plain Jane might be the wrong way to describe her. She definitely seemed less glam and more outdoorsy.

[–]trickmind 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think a lot of men would find NK really hot. It's just that her look is very generic and boring. But yeah, sporty hot. Shanann is more "beautiful" and tries to be more glam.

Chris becomes romantically crazy for NK because she was more considerate about what he wanted.

And I'm not dissing NK, because it's relatively normal for the age group, but she was being kind of nympho by his account, while at the same time being all considerate about "what do you want, what are your needs and interests? Wanna go to the car museum?"

While Shanann is all, "You know you gotta do things exactly as I say, or I'll get mad, bucko!" And to be fair to Shanann, he fully contributed to that pattern of relationship.

Although Nate did say they fought, and yes, he walked it back....BUT....Nate only walked back that the fights were Chris getting crazy. He said they were "no worse than average couple fights." Whatever that means.

Maybe Nate partly felt bad because the truth was it was more Shanann getting crazy??!

Because what we mostly saw was "Chris backs down over everything."

But Nate found Chris's "post family disappearance" behavior so suspicious that he admitted he exaggerated the fights and Chris's behavior in the fights, to try and get the police to investigate Chris.

Nate said that he walked back his words because he didn't want people to focus on fights the couple had, but rather on celebrating Shanann and the kids' lives. But that just strikes me as a bit strange in a way?

Like, if the couple's fighting was a thing, it's part of the picture of the leadup to the murders.

And yet, Nate has all this guilt and discomfort about mentioning it to the police because he knows he lied about part of it? It's kind of off to me? Was it really more Shanann getting angry at Chris for screwing something up? And that makes Nate uncomfortable.

[–]That__EST[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I co-sign everything you just said. It's definitely interesting to think about.

[–]AirLexington✈️ 7 points8 points  (17 children)

First I would like to say NK was not ugly. A lot of Hollywood celebrities are ordinary looking transformed by the power of makeup. NK looked pretty good in makeup in her interview with the Denver Post. SW did not have black hair, I dc how many times she said it. She was a brunette but her black hair came from a box. She was heavily made up as well. In the natural, I think SW and NK were equals with NK having the edge because she was fit.

NK was not new to Chris. They were coworkers first. I am actually thinking he was asking SW for a separation early in 2018 so he could be free to date NK in the open. With the third pregnancy popping up after SW not listening to his requests for a separation, I think the seeds of resentment sprouted quickly.

I think if CW had married NK first, he would not have had an affair with SW. Because by that time, SW probably would already be married to someone else and her high maintenance reputation would be well known.

In prison, I think Chris is much more casual. He has fired many girlfriends from his visiting list in prison.

[–]That__EST[S] 2 points3 points  (15 children)

I think if CW had married NK first, he would not have had an affair with SW. Because by that time, SW probably would already be married to someone else and her high maintenance reputation would be well known

I'm thinking more of changing the ages and having SW be divorced and whatever age she was, working at a Dirty South type place.

I guess, really I'm pondering what could have kept CW in the marriage. If SW had been controlling about things that he cared about would that have kept him in? If they never had children would it keep him in? My thought process is....was NK really better suited to CW or could he have also been lured out of that marriage? There is some thoughts that SW had been the other woman in other marriages. Do you think a 20 something Dirty South type SW could have lured CW away from NK?

[–]AirLexington✈️ 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It depends on the state of the marriage of CW and NK, I think. Obviously I have never met NK on a personal level, but it appears she could carry a conversation on various topics. On TV, the wife is portrayed as a loving sensible wife (like the Roos are trying to do) whose husband was lured away by a hot, full bodied mistress with a limited vocabulary.

In this case, the wife (SW) was the full bodied (edited) bimbo with a limited vocabulary and the mistress was financially prudent, went to work every day and had her own apartment that she paid for herself.

Anyway, nobody can really predict anyone else’s behavior. This earth is the school of life. But I believe SW was a mistress in her twenties.

ETA: post was amended. CW was a thot as much as anyone else in this story.

[–]NefariousnessWide820 3 points4 points  (1 child)

At the risk of butting in, I had some thoughts on your questions.

Chris was a go-along-to-get-along type of person. He's the type of person who will put up with things, at least to a point, just to get along. Keep in mind at the beginning, they aren't in financial disaster that would ultimately occur, didn't have the restriction of having children, and he was still the lonely 20-something guy who was finally getting pussy. At that point, he probably was willing to put up with some BS.

If they never had children, my guess is Shanann would have eventually dumped him to trade up.

Yes, Nicole was better suited to him than Shanann, but that's sort of like being the tallest midget. Yes, Chris could have been lured out of that marriage also, but as Shanann said, he had "no game." It would take a unique of Chris being motivated and a woman who is particularly receptive.

20-something Dirty South Shanann would not have given married Chris the time of day. Again, she said he had "no game." She brushed him off before until she needed his help. If Shanann needed help, Chris couldn't do anything, so he would be useless to her. If Shanann was fine, she wouldn't be interested in Chris.

[–]That__EST[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for butting in. This is the type of conversation I enjoy having!

Its interesting that you say that SW wouldn't have wanted a married CW. I have often thought that NK wouldn't have wanted an unmarried CW. I absolutely love the topic of infidelity. I am obsessed with the who, the why, the how often.... everything about infidelity. And I've found an interesting correlation between women who seem to relish being in the role of The Other Woman and women whose father's have cheated on their mother. Legend has it that Dwayne Kessenger cheated on NKs mother which led to their divorce. Between how she didn't seem super serious about him (letting Jim live with her and keeping her dating profiles open) and how she was basically being the other woman at least pre six week vacation, it makes me wonder if she was just going after him to see if she could. Too many women think that it makes them sexier and "bests" the wife of a married man if she can get him to step out of his marriage.

Hmmm. You've got me thinking.

[–]tia2181 2 points3 points  (10 children)

I don't believe anyone lured him out of his marriage.. he was already unhappy before they met, even if you want to suggest a random meeting before she worked at Anadarko in April 18.

Nothing she did would have made him cheat and plan to leave SW if his marriage was good. Had he married NK first i doubt he'd have been subjected to the issues that destroyed his marriage to SW, it was ending in a similar way to SW first marriage, Leonard King described how things went, CW reported similar things to his family about SW.
Given SW describes her first divorce as the worst time of her life, i kind of doubt she included LKs motives in asking for a divorce when they discussed it. I can imagine her telling people she was a perfect wife and that it came from nowhere.. Her discussions with friends clearly include some mistruths about their marriage... she tells CW she went to NC 'for him', she 'always gets what she wanted' with the new pregnancy vs he 'got her pregnant'. Not many men out there knowing exactly the time of month to conceive, I don't accept she didn't know exactly what she was doing that night, that she knew there was high chance she'd get pregnant, with the ultimate aim that when he found out about the missed mortgage payments he'd 'have to stay'

Plus there is no other logical explanation for her to discuss divorce and custody in CO with the lawyer in Feb 18 if her marriage was as perfect as she describes. She might ask him about his job, but not in this depth. Things were going wrong and she was in denial.

CW and NK had much more in common than he and SW had, I think they'd have been happier for sure. Everything contentious in their marriage seemed to came from SW, situations i struggle to imagine happening with NK. Buying a house beyond their needs and means, the excessive 'medical' debts, using CC to create a 'perfect life'. Take away those stresses, particularly at the levels they rose to, add in them enjoying free time together more because of genuine shared interests, more relaxed parenting (nothing more strict than Babywise, on both babies and parents).. a whole other marriage!

[–]That__EST[S] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

I agree with what you're saying.

Here's something though: Missed mortgage payments. Were they caught up by that point? I've heard conflicting things about this. I've heard that they took the money out of his 401K to catch up and the only issue was the mortgage due that month.

Which brings me to another thought that I might expand upon later or someone else can: It's often hypothesized that SW and the girls were in NC "for the summer" and to save money with daycare. Nevermind that in all of my daycare working days I've never in my life seen it work like that for kids that young. The only way that would make sense is if Cece would be permanently staying out and Bella going back when VPK went in to session. Ok my point: When it was all said and done, they had a dismally small amount of money in all of their accounts. The money they would have "saved" would have been to the tune of $2,500 a month that the girls weren't at Primrose. They didn't have any of that in their accounts? I'm struggling to remember if they even had $100 amongst all of their accounts. I really want it answered: what was the justification for the 5 weeks away and where the hell did that money go?

[–]tia2181 5 points6 points  (8 children)

The mortgage wasn't paid march, april, may i assume, they accessed the 401k in May, after Nico was conceived.. at her suggestion I assumed given his comment on the video.

They needed 3 months of mortgage payments, 10k would cover that i assume, with late fees. In June, when she travelled to NC they were up to date. To be honest who knows about the next two months, CW said they were due for Aug payment only. So then another 3 months missed, aug, sept, oct and then foreclosure proceedings in Nov/Dec 2018? Had they been behind for june of july i assume the foreclosure would have been sooner than Dec18.

In one of her sms to CW or the letter, she writes that she went to NC for him, implying she could predict it would be hard, she did it 'for him'.. to save money on daycare? get back on track for paying mortgage during summer time.
So if she's in NC, not buying extra food and his salary still paying for mortgage, utilities during the summer, i think he had a few hundred but his pay and mortgage due that week in Aug. She was adding nothing during summer, using CC for her expenses.

Don't forget they wouldn't realistically have been an extra 2500 to pay for the daycare, they went to daycare so she paid that money out.. the only way for SW to make it work was by not paying the mortgage that spring.
He thought she was bringing in $4 or $5k a month, the daycare would be coming out of that, paying off CCs too.. but she wasn't.
Cassie said 'next to nothing' before Jan 18, and it would get better then, certainty wouldn't have jumped from next to nothing to $5k in one month. All the others signed up beneath Cassie maintained full time jobs, only SW claimed to 'be at retirement stage'.

So May 8th per her facebook accounts they talk and plan to have another baby. Apparently (i haven't seen the post, so might be YT BS), she had claimed the leopard print outfit she wore at the end of April convention got her pregnant. She's worn it first time while away and then seduced CW by putting it on at home. (reason why people then said Nico was Chris Millers baby because she wore outfit at convention.
But Nico's conception pretty much matched that date exactly when she had ultrasound on June 19th, his size that day took her to midcycle and ovulation on the exact day she spoke of baby #3. (and she'd have had her period while at the convention, so no way Chris Millers baby)
My sister tricked her ex husband this exact same way, she'd been out of love and not intimate for months.. used ovulation tests, one last night intimate and she was pregnant. It was that one night or never, my neice the result.

If CW knew she hadn't paid the mortgage for 3 months do you think he'd have risked another baby? Especially knowing all the baby stuff was gone, no cribs, no stroller, they'd be starting from scratch.
I think the news came when it was too late, another thing to break their marriage.

[–]That__EST[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I don't think CW had much of a say in what went down between them in that regard. I'm honestly shocked that she had a talk with him about wanting a third baby at all.

I'll tell you, my brain hurts when I think about how they paid for their mortgage and daycare. I don't get all of that money juggling. I don't understand how any of that stuff worked.

[–]chicketychun_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I always see people mentioning that it was CW’s idea. Where did that come from? SW?

[–]That__EST[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Because SW said it was his idea.

No way in hell was it his idea. And I believe most of us would die on that hill.

[–]chicketychun_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s what I thought. I think she told everyone that it was his idea to ratchet up the sympathy. It grates on my nerves how she told him “You got me pregnant,” like she didn’t have a thing to do with it.

[–]twintersabound 1 point2 points  (3 children)

In his August interview with police, Tammy asks him when they pulled the $$ from the 401k and he says, "I'm going to say 5 months ago? Ball park on that. Because we were almost 3 months behind".

So with that timeline, it puts it around March for accessing 401k. I always wondered if they overspent majorly during the holidays and the mortgage was left at the the wayside. They couldn't catch up and by the time March rolled around they were well and truly screwed.

Whatever the reason, March puts it well before Nico. Where do you get the May info from? And quick question, what do we do with the statement from SW's friend saying that CW said they would keep at it til they got a boy (or something like) and the friend saying SW was hesitant? I would have to check the discovery for the interview, but I feel like it was Lauren that said that. I thought Amanda said something, too, so maybe I'm mixing them up.

Just because he wasn't thrilled about it on the video, though, doesn't mean he didn't suggest it beforehand and coax her a bit. By the time she did the oops video, he was salivating over Nk, on the regular, imo. Although, what was the date on the video? I should check before spouting off on that part.

[–]tia2181 1 point2 points  (1 child)

About 5 months back from mid August and interview time puts it april/May.. I read many reports it happened it May. On the oops we did it again cw tells SW she always gets what she wanted... I would edit that off if I 100% knew it was a joint decision because to everyone watching she wanted a baby, had sex the same day she suggests it to FB and got pregnant. If news of 401k access didn't come in May, but March, why need to have her go to NC for so long. They were watching money big time, she was brining in a little after Jan 2018 per her boss. Clearly no way to clear day care,mortgage $5k between them, utilities, food.clotheswhen he banked under 6K a month.

SW made claims she was hesitant after she was in trouble , put it all on Chris. She was the one 100% in control, she could have gone along with one unprotected try.. by doing it when she couldn't conceive , not select the middle of her cycle to skip the condom.... and post to her FB. Why do that if he persuaded her, share her excitement that she could be getting pregnant. Of course SW was hesitant in reality, she knew marriage in trouble before any of this happened.. before she didn't pay mortgage, she discussed divorce laws, tension in Xmas videos was obvious to me. No way either should have contemplated another child knowing they almost lost the house, that debts at 80k on credt cards. He says they never had sex again after she got pregnant.. she says he couldn't keep hands off her. One was lying.. the one proving a perfect life and marriage imo . His mind was on NK only after their emails, first times the met and spoke informally in mid/end May, after the talked outside of work in early June. Perhaps reality of pregnancy and debt stuff enough to encourage him to take a real risk with NK, all when SW was in NC, where he suggested she went... to save money? A trial separation if you believe SWs friends in NC saying she was looking forward to being single? Both were lying as much as each other.. But CW at some level was aiming towards divorce, shared custody, his shifts were chsnging in september so he could better share care.. a situation SW never would have agreed too.. was it 8 on, 8 off.. how would she cope when he worked long days. He'd told his bosses they were separating...he told SW he was done, wanted a divorce. Something clearly changed big time between weds/ Thurs and Sunday inside his head. Who knows why...he was ready to leave.

[–]twintersabound 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, so when I count back from the August 15th interview with law enforcement I wind up at March 15th. So that to me predates Nico with enough wiggle room, given his ball park figure statement. That wiggle can go back or forward, sure. But May 8 is a week before the 3 month mark of his estimate.

Her upline was Addie, not Cassie, and she didn't say she made little after Jan 18. She said she would be doing better after, like you said the first time?

She mentioned being hesitant and Chris wanting a boy back to Cece under 2 years old (I think 18 months). She was still at the Children's Hospital. She was in trouble then? And once again, comment on friends statement?

*And what she was telling her friends about their sex life seems more reliable than Chris saying that to his mistress, lol. She was crying on her friend's shoulders, I don't think she was taking the time to falsify the frequency and type just for show? My opinion.

[–]tia2181 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Preg announce video was end of first week in June, 7/9 if I rember right. Either she already had her tee shirt or had to wait for it to arrive. Maybe few days after she tested

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    [–]AirLexington✈️ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    SOR was bossy but she worked to support her family. While her husband did not a thing. Abrasive as SOR is, she was productive. Can’t say the same thing for her daughter, whose genetics likely came more from her shiftless dad’s side.

    NK was raised with her sister by her mother. And I have to disagree that SW had motherly instincts. She did everything the opposite of a motherly instinct.

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      [–]AirLexington✈️ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I understand what you mean. I think Chris would have been more enthusiastic about fatherhood if he first had a son to show him NASCAR stuff, first before the girl power kids came.

      SW basically dumped sick kids in CW’s lap then was surprised he didn’t want a third baby, of either gender. The whole thing was a mess.

      [–]That__EST[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      NK was not trying to fix Chris. She was only trying boost her ego and validate her solitude and decisions that left her single. No man would ever be good enough. CW had not even got to the point of being worth her fixing. he was still a side project.

      🤯

      Ok wow. You put into words something I had experienced but didn't know what I was seeing or how to describe it.