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Season 17 - DenverCultural Insensitivity MAFS Style… (i.redd.it)

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[–]MiddleFar2929 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol love this! Also how stupid was it when he attacked Cameron for misspeaking and clearly using the word reservation instead of resort! Cameron looked genuinely  confused after Orion’s attack. Orion has some serious issues and hates himself lol

[–]National-Car3628 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm over these 2. Lauren seems nice. She needs to move on. She dodged a bullet. Orion is overly sensitive and emotionally immature. He needs to either take a break from dating, work on himself and grow up, or find someone to be with from his tribe.

[–]Dull_Play_1269 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can't even believe he said something that stupid to her. I mean he definitely didn't think before those words came out.But she forgave him no problem. I don't know I think maybe he just should be hooked up with a man instead. Maybe deep down inside he really is attracted to men only. I mean I know he said he went both ways but things that he said to her and how he treated her or use that possibly as an excuse think maybe deep down inside they should have hooked him up with another man Don't get me wrong I mean I do like him as a person I just thought he was very mean to her and very lacking lacking in thought when he made that statement to a African American woman

[–]Ok_Scallion_7104 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Orion is a crybaby!!! I have so much to say about this boy but don’t have enough time!!! He needs to get over it!!!! If you’re going to get butthurt by her misunderstanding the term redskin he’s a dick! I wonder how many people that are fans of the Washington redskins are Native American? Ohhhh…. Is that why they aren’t the redskins anymore?? 😂😂😂The politically correct bullshit is so exhausting!! This world is coming to an end and we’re all going to die so in the end who cares really?? (I get sunburned…. I have redskin… ) did nobody hear her try to explain herself..that, one, she didn’t even know what the term meant and two, it clicked to her because she saw his sunburn on his face??? I fucking heard her and she (paraphrasing) wasn’t rude or disrespectful. The problem with the world today is people don’t listen to each other. For an Indian he sure was a while loaf of bread 😂because he really did have a sunburn I could say that because I 89% Irish yet I’m called black Irish. when I heard that, and I don’t care if it offends anybody, I thought… I don’t have any Black people in my family. And I said it out loud to the other Irishman I was talking to and I got laughed at and they said it’s because you have dark hair and dark eyes! And I laughed at myself because of my misunderstanding of that word “black Irish” it’s called being fucking human push the button Orion she is not a fucking robot

[–]National-Car3628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's way too sensitive and potentially gay

[–]Charming_Face_8703 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Why not pair Lauren with Mike (?) who was left at the alter. He's quirky like she is but smart and sensitive. He and Orion even look a little similar. Also the way he handled being left, was with a lot of composure, respect and dignity. At least introduce them, seems them on a nice date, and see what happens organically. Anyone else like this idea?

[–]sideofshade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes....I resonate with that idea 100%

[–]PresentMammoth5188 3 points4 points  (0 children)

These illustrations tho! 👏

[–]Helpful_Accident_726 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Orion, a white passing man, really said that Lauren, a black woman in America can't relate to the struggle and suffering caused by colonialism and oppression... Damn, he really puts the 'red' in AUDACITY lol.

[–]National-Car3628 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Orion is definitely NOT fully Native

[–]Forsaken_Serve_1519 9 points10 points  (2 children)

What about Orion almost having to be placed on suicide watch because Cameron accidentally said reservation instead of resort lol like what?

[–]MiddleFar2929 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes!! lol he’s cuckoo

[–]National-Car3628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's overly sensitive. His sensitivity is nobody's issue but his own

[–]Forsaken_Serve_1519 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Watching two people have a battle of the oppressed grew tired within 5 minutes. These two biased, virtue signaling weaklings masquerading as “tough” individuals was terrible. Who the fuck wants to watch a show about marriage where a couple just cries about how much they hate white people and then divorce almost immediately. Bonding over trauma (or at least these weirdos perception of trauma) is not a good foundation.

[–]National-Car3628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So true. It's the oppression olympics

[–]StupidSexyFlagella 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truth. No one gives a fuck. Buch of babies. Welcome to the real world. It sucks. Try to make 1% of it amazing.

[–]Sensitive-Seesaw-415 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He probably had that line locked and loaded for all the previous white brunettes he dated.

[–]New_Post_EvaluatorA Brand New Benz 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Why is Lauren lookin like this marriage aged her 30 years

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Like she can’t relate at all? SMH. He just wanted to make her feel guilty and was in competition of who is more oppressed it felt like ? Idk he just gives me that vibe. Anyways, he’s an asshole. She deserves much better

[–]Spirited-Rip-203 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I just can't with him. He's such an asshole.

[–]Rubycon_ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

lmfaooooo thank you!! He is the white men

[–]MrsT1966 2 points3 points  (0 children)

😂😂😂

[–]LaGrabba 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Kudos to the artist and caption writer. This is incredible.

[–]domsnana 22 points23 points  (1 child)

He’s an overly sensitive little man who needs to grow up. Lauren should send him a $5 plastic little plant thanking him for expediting her exit from the “marriage” and avoiding additional trauma. She is such a beautiful person, in every way. She did not deserve this.

[–]National-Car3628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. She dodged a bullet!

[–]Syphox 24 points25 points  (3 children)

I'm still baffled by this interaction. A lot of my moms side of the family is American Indian.

The "crude" joke she made wasn't bad at all. It didn't land, it happens in comedy. But it wasn't rude. I truly think Orion just isn't attracted to her.

[–]National-Car3628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He is overly sensitive and potentially not attracted to women

[–]Sensitive-Seesaw-415 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think he was attracted to her. He just can't handle her.

[–]Clear_Warning_9184 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Right. I don’t think he thought he would ever be paired with a black woman

[–]Super_Pepper_5911 72 points73 points  (6 children)

Orion wanted a white woman so he could be the oppressed party in the relationship. He would have played this out this way no matter who it was and a weaker woman would have given into his abuse. So glad this is over with.

[–]biglawbaby 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He asked for a “dark woman”

[–]Super_Pepper_5911 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I missed that!

[–]biglawbaby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it’s on the matchmaking special

[–]HistoryTasty 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Omggg yes because with a black woman he just looks dumb lol

[–]DOOMbot84 4 points5 points  (0 children)

1000%

[–]Admirable-Mine2661 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ooh. I think you may have the true answer!

[–]Super_Pepper_5911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LOLLLLL

[–]roshanritter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Great art and these two were picked for drama! Mission succeeded.

[–]Entire-Quiet 16 points17 points  (0 children)

wow congrats the artwork looks jus like them very talented

[–]Friendless_and_happy 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The artwork is amazing

[–]SugarMaven 69 points70 points  (11 children)

Orion doesn’t like or respect women. He said as much during the interview, that he’s tired of living in a matriarchal society, being “told what to do.” He didn’t listen to Dr. Pia, he was dismissive of her advice. He thought Pastor Cal would have his back, being a man-he even said that he felt that Cal would understand him better being a man of color. When Cal didn’t take his side against Lauren, he completely checked out.

It’s in how he talks about and interacts with women. Read his body language, it backs up what he says.

[–]domsnana 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How did “the experts” consider him a good match for anyone?

[–]SugarMaven 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am not sure, but with this guy and the one whose wife left him at the altar, I am wondering if they are choosing men who are not stereotypically “masculine” specifically. And while that is not a bad idea, they need to vet these men better. Orion was very toxic at his core and his whole idea of not wanting a matriarchal marriage while also not doing the work to become a better “man” who could be a leader in his marriage was a big red flag. He just wanted someone he could manipulate. They also need to pair them with a certain type of woman. It seems to date they are choosing women who wouldn’t necessarily be attracted to these men. I think had Orion been a better person overall, that Lauren would have been a good match. And I will add that this show is terrible to Black women based on their track record, so the way they paired her with him aligns with this. I am glad though, that they didn’t advise her to make herself smaller and cater to him as they did with Katina and Olajuwon.

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Probably think both Pastor Cal and Dr. Pia ganged up on him and took Laurens side since they're both black. Orion is such a loser.

[–]National-Car3628 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dr.Pia is black?

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, she is.

[–]FreeDragonfly1 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Yep! Remember, he told her father that too, he didn't want anyone telling him what to do because of the women he grew up with were very strong women. He just needs to adopt a dog and live alone.

[–]National-Car3628 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He might be gay

[–]TopangaK9 5 points6 points  (1 child)

No, a dog deserves better!

[–]FreeDragonfly1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew someone was gonna say that

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 19 points20 points  (1 child)

This is such a succinct summary of his attitude and issue. I didn't see the matriarchal society comment but it truly clicks into place everything else he is doing/saying.

I loved when Pastor Cal clearly clocked Orion's BS on the facetime with him, Lauren, and Pastor Cal- Pastor Cal's face hit the "bro fr? are you listening to me or you?" THREE times on that facetime.

He's decided he is the only one right. Listening to Pastor cal? He'll say he's taking Lauren's side because of race. Dr. Pia is a woman, like you pointed out, so he won't listen there. And listening to a white man is definitely not his list.

I'm a black female, like Lauren, I understand that the world doesn't know the depth of our racial/cultural history- lived or historical. But I still exist in this world that is bigger than my lived experience and can/will have a genuine give and take convo with other people.

Orion though? You'd need a man from his tribe that he likes to do so. Especially with the matriarchal comment.

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Doesn't want matriarchal comment, but yet still he lives with his mama. Guess she doesn't try to tell him what to do even though he's under her roof. Orion,, Get the fuck out of here.

[–]Neurochick_59 19 points20 points  (14 children)

I just wonder why, on the aftershow, they gave Orion a tongue bath. No one wanted to hold his feet to the fire. My theory is that he didn't want Lauren because she is Black and was determined to do anything to get out of the marriage.

[–]National-Car3628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he wanted someone submissive, or maybe he wanted a man.

[–]Nolawise 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I don’t think her skin color has anything to do with it. I think he wanted a woman he can control and Lauren did not fit that picture. Lauren told him how she felt in a direct and calm way. Very admirable, very mature, very grown up.

[–]Monster_Dong 10 points11 points  (8 children)

It's a possibility, but tbh Orion seems unhinged. He could've stuck through it til decision day and just say no. The couples obviously talk about what they're going to say (at least the smart ones), so he could've said it's just not working out and go his seperate way without looking like a dildo.

Personally, I think he changed his mind because of the show, it was to much for him so he hit the eject button. I'm sure Orion not being attracted to her was a factor, but idk if specifically because she's black.

[–]National-Car3628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's overly sensitive & immature

[–]freespirit_1 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I think he's just Intimidated by Lauren. She has her stuff together, a great catch checking all the boxes while he's living with his mom and probably never been on his own.

[–]Robotemist -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

She has her stuff together, a great catch checking all the boxes

All of who's boxes? She's on this show for a reason, if she had it together that we'll she would be married already.

[–]TopangaK9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So not true. There are a LOT of people who have it all together that are not married because they haven't found the one.

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Agreed... I think he was attracted to her at first. But the hot tub quickly followed by his slut shaming of her/frustration that she didn't commit her physical body to his non-existence prior to be selected (i.e. he doesn't get any, doesn't want her to?) was too much for him. And we have learned about him that only he can be the winner of the oppression olympics and we already knew he wanted a woman who he didn't have to listen to (based on his comment before the honeymoon).

It disappeared fast.

[–]TopangaK9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apparently having a woman's legs wrapped around his head and vagina in his face at the bachelor party THE DAY BEFORE the wedding is okay. 🙄

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Never mind his so called girth. Orion is a small, small man.

[–]Stay_W0K3 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Just because he maybe doesn’t want Lauren doesn’t mean it’s because she’s Black. Maybe he just doesn’t find her in particular attractive (on the outside or her personality).

[–]wondermouse20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

but he WAS attracted to her at first. There was chemistry there and the two of them were super happy in the beginning.

[–]BustaLimez 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But he specifically told producers he’d be fine with anyone who wasn’t white if I recall correctly

[–]OhBoy_89 38 points39 points  (4 children)

I hate making accusations like this and even putting it out there …. But I can’t help but wonder if maybe HE is the racist here??? The history of Native American racism against Black members of their own tribes is actually a big thing. Very interesting to read about

[–]DankDude7 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Why do you hate drawing the obvious conclusion?

Those weren’t black members of the tribe. THEY WERE THE SLAVES OWNED BY THE INDIANS which was common.

[–]OhBoy_89 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because I generally think it’s reckless to make blanket statements like someone is definitively racist based on observing a heavily-edited sliver of their life. It is not an “obvious conclusion” but definitely thought-provoking

[–]Comprehensive_Ad4839 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This seems like a good time to point out that it's faulty to take every native american tribe and dump them into one bucket. There are huge cultural differences between tribes, and huge historical differences. Slaves being owned by natives was most certainly not common within every tribe. It sure as hell wasn't in mine (northern state). On the contrast, the native americans in California, Oregon, etc were enslaved by white people and it was really horrific. It's also important to note that the 5 tribes that are known for having black slaves were under immense pressure from the government to prove that the native american race was "civilized" and at that time, in the south, that meant get a slave. Not an excuse, but certainly sheds more light on the situation.

[–]bbtech 3 points4 points  (0 children)

wouldn't mind seeing some sources on this....to support this notion that owning slaves was an attempt to seem more civilized.

[–]OhBoy_89 42 points43 points  (2 children)

And he changes his f*cking story every time too … first it’s the comment, then the slut shaming then back to the comment and then on this after the episode thing it’s a handful of events … fuck this guy

[–]sarlto 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Exactly, I would have walked out at the alter long before he even opened his mouth, he’s just gross inside & out 🤢 Run Lauren you’re way too good for this nut!

[–]ace-mathematician 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agree. I can't understand why she remained willing to trying to make it work, when his disdain for her was so clear.

[–]MrsQute 23 points24 points  (1 child)

To me it showed that he just wasn't here for it and latched on to this as an excuse.

People fuck up. When people show genuine remorse, a desire to do better and be better, I think that we need to meet them where they are.

There is a significant difference between a person who uses racial slurs and doesn't care if it upsets others and a person who says a stupid thing out of ignorance or because they were processing stuff out loud and is immediately sincerely apologetic and contrite.

He can essentially try and slut shame her and she's supposed to move it along but he can't get over her one comment? GTFOH.

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"a person who says a stupid thing out of ignorance or because they were processing stuff out loud and is immediately sincerely apologetic and contrite"

I really appreciate this encapsulation of the awkward terrible hot tub drunk moment she had- she was immediately contrite and continued working to educate herself and fix it.

This man threw a fit about her having sex. Immediately responded by taking that type of bonding that they were both clearly working toward off the table. And I also think that when they were in bed discussing it later is when he learned/realized it was two months ago before selection. Doesn't make it better at all but I think he got emotional and petty and then realized later but doubled down like he always does.

[–]DubsEdition 23 points24 points  (14 children)

Always blew my mind. Explaining to a person of color on how it feels to be a person of color in the US. I get not every journey is the same, but don't talk down to her like she can't understand.

[–]Gypcbtrfly 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They seem to b winding this all up for a series finale!

[–]notprimetime1 57 points58 points  (6 children)

Orion’s text comment that he wanted to divorce but not end the “experience.” WTH? Alissa vibes here.

[–]lenagabbell 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Alissa 🤢 just hearing her name makes me want to 🤮

[–]JennyJtom 18 points19 points  (4 children)

It's called he didn't want to pay the rumored out clause

[–]sunshiiine_bluskiess 1 point2 points  (1 child)

out clause? do tell

[–]JennyJtom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The rumor is that there's a substantial payment owed to production if an individual wants to divorce early.

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or just can't afford to pay the out clause.

[–]No-Treat-8079 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bingo! 🎯

[–]ziggystardust212 45 points46 points  (3 children)

Orion straight up sucked! Lauren will be better off without that energy vampire. I hated seeing the way he made her feel. She was truly genuine in her apology & remorse. I wish he would have just told the truth and said he wasn’t interested. 🙄

[–]SugarMaven 11 points12 points  (2 children)

She’s emotionally intelligent and that’s what tripped him up. She called out his issues and he tried to hide behind “his culture.” He couldn’t manipulate her easily and she took him to task about his not standing by what he says. She went above and beyond in her apology and changed behavior. And I agree with her when she told him that he gave that guy a pass for that joke about being on the reservation, but then he had to make her pay for every racist incident that happened to him since childhood. He couldn’t figure out how to bring her down to his level, so he bailed. He’s probably never had his race card declined before when trying to gain the upper hand and that rattled him.

[–]FreeDragonfly1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, I think maturity levels really were not matched well. He's trying really hard to be grown, but being with her, he probably felt like a child, and that is how he appeared to us as well!

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

GO AWF!

She held his feet to the fire when she caught him in that lie when they were talking in bed after the dinner table argument.

He absolutely did give that guy more of a pass. I almost understood that you want your person held to higher standard than some random man but it was further clear that she was going to have to pay and be the example for him to come after- he was tripping talking about having to go to his mom, family, etc and they see what she said.

And they'll see what we see you idiot- which is why your sister called you out immediately.

[–]Kingsqueen514 49 points50 points  (4 children)

Sadly this guy I fear doesn't even like himself, he's controlling and has great difficulty communicating even though he thinks he can, every time Lauren opens her mouth he takes it as an attack, I think he's jealous she has a great career and does well at it and the other fact that in his election process I think he lied, he doesn't want an intercultural as it appears he doesn't even understand his own, she's bent over backwards to take care of him and apologized way to much showing just how immature he really is. It's sad she was hoping for a great man instead she go a child who will likely never grow up.

[–]Gypcbtrfly 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ding ding ....

[–]Actual-Deer1928 21 points22 points  (2 children)

He said he won’t date indigenous women because they’re too strong or something …

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He didn't want a strong black woman either. Guess you can be any race for him as long as you're weak or weaker than he is.

[–]Neurochick_59 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He probably didn't want a Black woman. Maybe he thinks White women are more submissive or something dumb like that.

[–]Sunshineruelz 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Great job OP! Glad we are all on the same page with him! He’s definitely made the list for worst MAFS spouses!

[–]chitherapist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

agree!!

[–]Ill-Recognition8666 19 points20 points  (4 children)

i have a feeling orion’s mom told him to breakup up with her.

[–]Educational_Skin7308Failure at First Sight 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Buddy really likes men, and can’t say it out loud yet!

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Based on his comments before the wedding, he realllllyyyy doesn't like or appreciate women. He sounded sick of them before he even got married. (I admit I was fooled after they met, they seemed like a vibe at first).

(but I'm not speaking on his -uality, just his energy towards women based on comments)

[–]Prestigious_Arm_5691 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I peeped from the very first trailer they weren’t going to make it and I still got fooled by the day 1 chemistry smh.. but alas someone legit just put lipstick and some earrings on a pig and here we are.

[–]Single-Respect-265 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed!

[–]Chiowl333 16 points17 points  (0 children)

WTF, Orion. I feel for Lauren. That's it.

[–]Mimidallas 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You nailed it

[–]laffynola 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That dude better hope if he tries to date anyone, that they don’t have a tv. He was such a hypocrite.

[–]PrincipleFresh8594 70 points71 points  (2 children)

Orion hates women 100000%

[–]Initial-Succotash-37 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’ve been thinking this all along.

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep

[–]No-Explanation7351 31 points32 points  (0 children)

He is so completely self-absorbed that he has lost touch with reality. I am sure this is a defense response, like, "As long as I care for myself and not for anyone else, I cannot be hurt."

[–]Loony_Loveless 121 points122 points  (13 children)

Orion is a misogynist who feels a deep, internal need to be oppressed. A black woman, who arguably has seen way more bigotry than Orion ever will, threatens his need to be the minority in every situation.

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He wants to be the most wounded party to evoke sympathy for his purported plight.

[–]RideMonkeyRide 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yep, I agree. I do believe that he was immediately taken back by the comment, but instead of absorbing it better and building that bridge with Lauren, he instead got all of his dopamine boost by holding it against her and talking down to her until he lost sight of reality. I think he really valued the opportunity to hold this kind of power over a black woman

[–]Comprehensive_Ad4839 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Honestly, I think it's completely unnecessary (and inappropriate) to compare how much racism is experienced by different races...especially in an effort to make it so that one race's experience is less valid. It's not a competition.

It's so easy to point out all the ways that Orion is a shitty husband and a shitty person without resorting to this.

I also have no idea what Orion was talking about, but he said the next time he experienced racism "at that level" was with Lauren. So maybe he is just referring to times racial slurs was used against him. Or maybe as an individual, he was truly fortunate and was spared receiving direct racism. Who knows with him. Regardless, I promise (as a native american), I've been subjected to un-countable instances of racism. But even if I hadn't, it's not a competition, and there is no reason that any person of any race should have to prove they've met some sort of racism threshold before their experience counts.

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Funny he says his experience was so bad as he is white passing.

[–]gyalmeetsglobe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This.

[–]michelleinbal 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Wow, yes. Excellently put. He needs to be the token victim in this relationship. He can't let her take that title from him.

[–]SuspiciousNorth377 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly

[–]ziggystardust212 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This

[–]chitherapist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

exactly

[–]Character_Essay_1234 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I don't know. It's happened to him twice already.

[–]Spaghetti-Dinner3976 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That bit was….WOW. Lack of self-awareness. It’s not about the count or a competition. It’s that the edit makes it seem like Orion understands some of his history in a vacuum….

[–]Fun-Beginning-42 14 points15 points  (0 children)

30 more years it may happen again. But only if he is the one to bring it up.

[–]wsox74 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Holy shit.

[–]Constant_Ad7986 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Orion is a psychopath. That is all.

[–]Lives4Sunshine 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Spot on and excellent drawing.

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

❤️

[–]chellybean333 11 points12 points  (1 child)

LMAOOOO this is perfection

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

❤️

[–]EvonyROhhhh snap...Chocolate pudding! 56 points57 points  (6 children)

Orion is trying so hard to win gold in his suffering Olympics.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Seriously. I hate when people make their race and ancestor’s suffering their entire identity. I get horrible atrocities happened in the past. It has literally nothing to do with anyone you encounter today, especially your loving, openminded, kind wife who is also a minority. You are creating this experience for yourself.

[–]Dijon2017 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Do not be naive. Despite the documented history of the horrible atrocities that have happened in the past, there is still a lot of hatred and racism that exists in the world today…some of it overt, covert and/or institutionalized.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Never said there wasn’t. This type of thinking, categorizing, and consequently turning everyone who is different from you against you will never lead to a happy life. She meant ZERO harm. He literally lost an amazing woman and partner over a misunderstanding.

And plot twist, I am part native.

[–]Dijon2017 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I was just responding to the part where you wrote “I get horrible atrocities have happened in the past. It has literally nothing to do with anyone you encounter today,…”.

That part of your statement is patently untrue. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. Some people makes assumptions readily based on your skin color, gender, first/last name, etc. all of the time.

Your writing the plot twist of you being part native doesn’t change that. Do you want to ask me…how do I know?

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even in the comment section, history repeated itself before our very eyes.

Cackling at the signoff 'do you want to ask me...how do I know'!

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Well, i Think it is important to have in the forefront of our minds both the genocide and slavery because they were both incredibly recent in the overall scope of history. And history repeats, and repeats, and re…

[–]cantstandthemlms 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Did you draw this?????

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

yes

[–]cantstandthemlms 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s awesome! Impressed!

[–]btdixon58All Girth & No Balls 30 points31 points  (1 child)

AWESOME drawing and spot on commentary

Slight disagreement: The drawing of Orion shows him with a reflective/intelligent look – qualities we have not witnessed on film

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

❤️

[–]FlailingatLife62 8 points9 points  (1 child)

LOVE THIS it's AWESOME

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

❤️

[–]GeneAny8832 29 points30 points  (9 children)

I think Orion just realizes he may not want to be with a woman now. He did say he dated men.

[–]KayAnna22 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Here’s my theory. He’s attracted to men but pushed it down. He felt shame about himself for being gay. So he belittled women to feel better about himself and not truly wanting to be with them. In his brain at least he’s better than them. Plus if he wasn’t that’s because he’s been an unfairly persecuted minority. When he finally does act on his feelings and kisses a man he decides it’s not for him because he can’t deal with being with someone he perceives as an equal

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guess he is trying not to be a part of another minority again.

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Damn. Even if you're wrong... that's a read. You read him down

[–]SnooKiwis683 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Was that him or the guy that got left at the alter?

[–]Prince-4ever 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I never heard that he dated men…are you sure? It would make sense, if so.

[–]BustaLimez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah he talked about it on the wedding episode.

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

He went on one date w a man. Because he wasn’t attracted, he concluded that he was not gay. The logic is weird. Not being attracted to one guy does not make you straight. It means you were not attracted to that guy.

[–]Prince-4ever 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for clearing that up! He doesn’t know what he wants with anyone! Lol

[–]AdEquivalent9281 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yesss

[–]lovetrashtv 25 points26 points  (12 children)

I think Orion wanted a more submissive wife.

[–]tyalexander_mke 21 points22 points  (0 children)

He just wanted to be on TV, and I say this part with zero hate, he wants a submissive husband.

[–]cunt_tree 23 points24 points  (10 children)

Yuuuup been saying this from the start with how critical he was of the matriarchy he was raised in- I think he holds a lot of resentment from that upbringing

[–]xVellex 7 points8 points  (9 children)

He also said his step father was a very abusive person, and Lauren’s reaction triggered that trauma.

[–]Holiday-Day-2439 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Even more reasons why he needs therapy.Needed it long before he came on the show.

[–]xVellex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely—I truly hope he does get some therapy, he’ll benefit a lot from it.

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I also hate when people use that sometimes.

Lauren's reaction triggered that for him... but she never actually went from 0 to 100, it was always gradually more and more frustrating. And we have seen that he won't respect her boundaries of waiting to talk later.

I hate it was a trigger for him. But I think he pushed her to that point purposely. And now her reaction is just one more thing to hold against her.

[–]xVellex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, Lauren didn’t go from 0 to 100, but for Orion it looked like that since he has that trauma with his step father. Trauma can distort things sometimes. I had a friend that was previously physically abused by her first husband, and when she got in a very healthy relationship with a great guy and they got married—she used to get SO stern and tough with him when they would argue and his voice would be higher than normal because to her that meant she was going to get hit (this is what her ex husband would do). He had to help her learn that they could argue with elevated voices and it could stay controlled without anyone getting hurt, but because of her trauma it was difficult for her to see a normal and moderate argument. I think it’s a similar thing for Orion.

I will say, when I saw Lauren’s reaction after the sex shaming comment on the bed with Orion, I was actually taken aback by how tough she was being. It would be difficult for me to have a partner that gets that combative because I’m a pretty sensitive person and I want sensitivity extended to me especially during a conflict, so I understand Orion being intimidated by that. I personally would give my partner a chance to correct that in case they don’t yet feel safe in our relationship (they just knew each other less than a week at this point), but from what I’m understanding it was multiple times where she reacted combative with him, and maybe he didn’t feel like they could argue or discuss conflict constructively.

I do agree he didn’t give her the time she asked for. Maybe if he did, she wouldn’t have been so combative—I understand some people need a cool down period before discussing conflict because they’re too heated or they don’t yet know what to communicate. I’m one of those people that don’t need a cool down period and I want to resolve the issue then and there, but I have friends and past partners that needed breaks (and I respected it), and it is pretty difficult to deal with because you continue to have anxiety until the issue is discussed again, which can take a day or more. You also can feel dismissed and rejected in the moment when they shut the conversation down, depending on how it is said. It can be difficult to be in relationships with people that have a different communication style than you 😕 It takes a lot of work to find a dynamic that works for both of you—IF you even find it.

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you but my only disagree is that she was tough on the bed cause he opened with a LIE and further tried to MANIPULATE her. He did it openly on camera. That bed scene was huge in revealing how he would play the emotional martyr game with her. You have to be tough when trying to navigate someone lying, judging, manipulating, and trying to communicate all in one heavy moment. You will have someone tough on you when you went emotional scorched earth on them.

You said she needed to correct being tough with him. Yes. After he stops lying, grows up, stops his fits, and is accountable and non manipulative.

And showing up with trauma, having a situation you contribute to, and then saying oh well I have trauma so you need to handle this like this. Umm? What? Trauma doesnt trump both people putting in effort in specific ways- such as recognizing that because it looks one way and doesnt mean it is. It is important for Orion to do the work of not seeing his wife in that light if thats not the situation- saying its similar, its traumatizing is an explanation not an excuse to continue like things need no change is wild. Trauma means we must work at it. Orion used it as something to throw in and have her deal with as a weak explanation for his reaction. He doesnt feel that way any time he confronts her.

I hear you. I know your points are right for people. But Orion? Still more context there and what Im seeing isnt that cut and dry

She asked for a cooling period at the table because what else could be said. He pushed her to talk and eventually relented cause he didnt actually have anything to say. But shes combative and difficult? Eh. Sure.

That being said- you are right she’s got her own work to do. I dont dismiss that/your points

[–]cunt_tree 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Mmm I had forgotten that veryy good point

[–]xVellex 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Also I love your username 😆

[–]cunt_tree 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thank you!! I got lucky to have chosen a decent enough one at age 15 😅

[–]xVellex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s perfect 🤣👏👏👏

[–]Careful_Designer_456 74 points75 points  (3 children)

Lauren will be good in the end. Orion did her a huge favor by the early divorce. She deserves much better than him.

[–]Extreme-Shower-2639 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I agree completely. He has no capacity forgiveness and would have held any perceived slight against her. Staying married to him would have been such a nightmare for her.

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Lauren is and will be amazing. No doubt!

[–]BZbabz 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Agree! And I’m lol at his comment about looking forward to finding a life partner. Good luck buddy!

[–]Maggie_4444 45 points46 points  (3 children)

I think he’s literally traumatizing her.

[–]bigwatermelonhead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

and i feel so bad for her. she's so stressed over this loser who's making her feel like some monster who did something unrepairable. when he's just not attracted to her. and she's racking her brain trying to figure it out, and she's so stressed...ugh i feel so bad

[–]Spaghetti-Dinner3976 6 points7 points  (1 child)

On (inter)national tv. He doesn’t seem to have compassion and is more focused on how things “look” to his community. It’s clear they aren’t tackling the situation as a team and the more he’s pushed, the more he will clam up.

[–]hotdogrealmqueen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a good point. He has a lost all focus/care about "them" as a unit or about the original goal here (marriage successfully). He has no desire to work, certainly not in the ways that Lauren demonstrated she was willing to work. He was here to see how it went and when it wasn't for him, he pulled all the odd tricks out the bag.

Cause bro- you did lie. She called you a liar cause you lied and tried to use your lie to manipulate her. The list goes on.

[–]ColombianSpiceMD86 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Wow this is some talent! Love it

[–]TruePhilosopher925[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

❤️

[–]FreedomFighter907 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Fantastic drawing!

[–]GoDawgsRiseUp 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Their experiences are different and they need to respect that. Are they both minorities in the US? Absolutely! But the black American experience is different than the indigenous American experience and vice versa.

[–]gyalmeetsglobe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

!!! It’s really this simple

[–]xVellex 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed!

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