NFL

Now that the 2023 season is over, I thought it would be a fun idea to use some math and determine which NFL franchises have been the best over the years/had the biggest impact on the sport. Also, the pre-modern era is weighted a little less heavily than I had done in years past.

Here's the criteria I used:

Super Bowl win = 20 points

Conference Championship = 10 points

Conference Championship appearance = 5 points

Division Championship = 2 points

Playoff appearance = 1 point

Playoff win = 1 point

MVP = 2 points

Hall of Fame player = 1 point each

I also included pre-Super Bowl era NFL, but weighted it a little less than the modern era:

NFL/AFL championship = 12 points

NFL/AFL championship appearance = 3 points

1. Green Bay Packers - 494

2. New England Patriots - 427

3. Pittsburgh Steelers - 426

4. San Francisco 49ers - 414

5. Dallas Cowboys - 402

6. New York Giants - 344

7. Kansas City Chiefs - 317

8. Los Angeles Rams - 302

9. Las Vegas Raiders - 292

10. Chicago Bears - 291

11. Denver Broncos - 281

12. Indianapolis Colts - 279

13. Washington Commanders - 277

14. Philadelphia Eagles - 241

15. Minnesota Vikings - 220

16. Miami Dolphins - 210

17. Buffalo Bills - 187

18. Cleveland Browns - 177

19. Tennessee Titans - 148

20. Baltimore Ravens - 138

21. Seattle Seahawks - 135

22. Los Angeles Chargers - 131

23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 129

24. Detroit Lions - 126

25. Cincinnati Bengals - 105

26. New York Jets - 105

27. Arizona Cardinals - 93

28. New Orleans Saints - 91

29. Atlanta Falcons - 83

30. Carolina Panthers - 72

31. Jacksonville Jaguars - 40

32. Houston Texans - 27

If you wanted to see this on a per year basis, this list shows each team’s # of points divided by how many years they have played:

1. New England Patriots - 6.78

2. Dallas Cowboys - 6.38

3. San Francisco 49ers - 5.67

4. Baltimore Ravens - 5.11

5. Kansas City Chiefs - 5.03

6. Green Bay Packers - 4.84

7. Pittsburgh Steelers - 4.73

8. Las Vegas Raiders - 4.63

9. Denver Broncos - 4.46

10. Indianapolis Colts - 3.99

11. Miami Dolphins - 3.68

12. Minnesota Vikings - 3.55

13. New York Giants - 3.51

14. Los Angeles Rams - 3.47

15. Washington Commanders - 3.04

16. Buffalo Bills - 2.97

17. Seattle Seahawks - 2.87

18. Chicago Bears - 2.83

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 2.74

20. Philadelphia Eagles - 2.68

21. Carolina Panthers - 2.57

22. Cleveland Browns - 2.42

23. Tennessee Titans - 2.35

24. Los Angeles Chargers - 2.08

25. Cincinnati Bengals - 1.91

26. New York Jets - 1.67

27. New Orleans Saints - 1.63

28. Atlanta Falcons - 1.46

29. Jacksonville Jaguars - 1.43

30. Detroit Lions - 1.35

31. Houston Texans - 1.29

32. Arizona Cardinals - 0.9

While this is a little arbitrary at the end of the day, it’s all in good fun! Hope you enjoy and if you have any questions lmk

I’ve been a Packers fan for 27 years and love Lambeau Field. Even though the restrooms could be redone the stadium is beautiful, rich in history and fandom, and the Hall of Fame is amazing.

I’ve been to new & old Dallas stadiums and the Jacksonville stadium years ago but no others. If we count stadiums that I’ve driven past I could name a lot more but I mean the question is for stadiums you’ve seen games in. I’d like to visit more stadiums and that’s the main reason for this question.

For least liked I’d probably say the old Texas Stadium. It was old and ugly.

What are your most & least liked stadiums?

EDIT: Updated it for the old Texas Stadium in Arlington. The new stadium is AT&T.

Stop. Don't answer as a fan. Take all emotion out of your guess. Guess like you are an analyst on NFL network. I really feel this team is a good 3 to 4 years away from being a legit contender. There are so many holes on this team. The entire offensive line aside from Thomas is atrocious. We haven't had a true WR1 since OBJ. Waller was a bust and a huge cap hit this year. Saquon'a return is doubtful. Lack of salary cap. We don't have an ideal pick I'm the draft. I think drafting a QB this year is a waste. Even if the best QBs were available, who are they throwing to, whos blocking for them? The defense played well at times last year. I love Bobby, Dex and Xavier, but the X-man is unlikely to resign. Like I said this team has so many holes, it's going to be hard to put together a solid roster for a few years. I'm sick of being a laughing stock, but I don't have much hope for change anytime soon.

This year Myles Garrett won the DPOY which was also matched by Garrett having the highest PFF grade among defenders with 93.6. In 2022, Nick Bosa won DPOY while having the 4th best PFF Grade. PFF grades are not a be-all-end-all metric, and like every metric it has its flaws, but I think it's a good indicator of overall play. I was curious how past DPOY winners ranked amongst their peers in PFF Grade.

• Five of the last 10 DPOY winners came in with the top PFF rank among defensive players (J.J. Watt 2014, A.Donald 2017, A.Donald 2018, A.Donald 2020, M.Garrett 2023)

• Eight of the last 10 DPOY winners were in the top 5 for PFF scores

• The median PFF rank (among defensive players only) for the DPOY is 1.5. But in 2019 there was a huge gap between the DPOY winner and PFF ranking when Stephon Gilmore was ranked 46th in PFF score of 82.8. T.J. Watt is the other player to win DPOY while falling outside of the top 5 (ranked 8th with a grade of 88.5)

• Top PFF grades in the last 10 years:

  • Aaron Donald 95.3 in 2018 (DPOY)

  • Aaron Donald 94.5 in 2020 (DPOY)

  • Aaron Donald 94.0 in 2017 (DPOY)

  • Aaron Donald 93.6 in 2021

  • Aaron Donald 93.6 in 2019

  • Myles Garrett 93.6 in 2023 (DPOY)

DL Javon Hargrave is the latest player for this to happen to, although he isn’t the only player who changed teams just to lose to the same team again. The last player to do this (don’t know if he’s the first though) was DB Eugene Robinson, who played for the Packers in 1997, lost to the Broncos in the Super Bowl, went to the Falcons in 1998, and lost to the Broncos again.

Have there been any other players who’ve suffered this unfortunate fate of losing back-to-back Super Bowls or NFL Championships with two different teams?

Listening to the 4 person NFL show today. Firstly, I know a lot of people in here and in are disappointed with the NFL coverage. Fair enough. I actually like Extra Point Taken a lot, and I’ll still listen to Dual Threat because I don’t mind Ruiz as much as everyone else does.

But man, all three of the other hosts really torched Ben today in a way that was unfair and bad faith.

Firstly, Ben said “QBs that aren’t Patrick Mahomes are being overrated in their value.” Everyone immediately took it to say ‘QBs don’t matter; Ben thinks QBs are lame, he’s a hipster.” All he was saying was that, if you look at quarterback play in the NFL, it’s super important, but that even the best no -Mahomes QBs this year haven’t been able to completely overcome the limits of their team. I mean, my god, look at the team that did make it to the Super Bowl: a team that had a really good roster that surrounded the QB so that he didn’t have to overcome his entire environment.

But then, Ben’s next topic was he was interested in the hip drop tackle getting banned. They all 3 basically devoted the next ten minutes to telling him it didn’t matter, and nobody was talking about it, and actually he’s an idiot for caring. This is after Richard Sherman (who I hear knows a little something about defense) had a pretty strong reaction to it earlier this month when the ban discussion started, and also, as Ben pointed out, it already was a big discussion amongst the owners. But because it isn’t an important story like “Where is Kirk Cousins going?”, they basically got less than an actual 5 minutes of discussion out of it, and spent easily triple that just being fucking mean about it.

Actually was a very frustrating segment to listen to, and Ben needs to do a nerds-welcome podcast with like… Austin Gayle, where some guys can just hang out and discuss cool stuff without being bullied by take artists.

TL;dr don’t bully baby boy Ben! You’re booing him cause he’s right!

all of this is from on twitter. no idea why these play with the linked tweet second but I assume it has to do with elon fucking something up.