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[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 1746 points1747 points  (157 children)

Can confirm.

In discovery of our lawsuit we’ve gotten to see a lot of texts and emails between fighters, managers and the UFC.

What we’ve seen is cartoonishly evil.

[–]DuppyDon 471 points472 points  (80 children)

How can I be sure you’re Nate Quarry before I give you props for initiating the lawsuit?

Edit: yep it’s him!

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 412 points413 points  (78 children)

Ask me something only I’d know… no, wait. You wouldn’t know if I’m lying.

[–]TheDestructionator 260 points261 points  (47 children)

Why hasn't my dad come back from the gas station? It's been years Nate

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 1756 points1757 points  (45 children)

Generally for a father to do something like that it’s due to his own childhood trauma.

But not in this case. You’re a huge disappointment to him.

[–]TheBigPygmy👊 Justin Wren | Fighter 210 points211 points  (5 children)

This made me laugh u/NateQuarry!

I hope you are doing well brother!

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 148 points149 points  (2 children)

My man! Great to hear from you! Hope you’re doing well my friend

[–]atmosphere325 52 points53 points  (0 children)

The most wholesome interaction, ignited by a sick burn.

[–]endodaze 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This could have been a really great pun.

[–]thedonjefron69Hit em with the bing bing 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Thank you for doing everything you do Justin!

[–]LordLucy666 364 points365 points  (6 children)

10-8 reply

[–]CitizenMurdochThink there's a fighter more dangerous than the sea? 69 points70 points  (0 children)

If that wasn't a 10-7, then a 10-7 doesn't exist

[–]Itsrainingmentats 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Even Yamasaki stepping in at this point

[–]dno123moderate symptoms 5 points6 points  (0 children)

🤚❤️🖐️

[–]Jansakakak 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"Ohhhhhhhh that one is sunk in deep he's done."

[–]MyDictainabox 159 points160 points  (0 children)

Jesus christ, lol

[–]Deadpoulpe 60 points61 points  (1 child)

And now, he has to change his username to TheDestructorated.

Beautiful champ.

[–]TheDestructionator 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Mods can I get this as a flair?

[–]SL1Fun 43 points44 points  (0 children)

That was fucking illegal

[–]ReallyPopularTeam Chimaev 🐺 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Came out of retirement 12 years later just to score a 10-7

[–]Salty-Host9424 23 points24 points  (0 children)

That's a round 1 KO

[–]UnHoly_OneA big good news soon 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Dude.

This is my favorite comment in the history of Reddit.

[–]Bangzilla45 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Nate still flooring motherfuckers 😆

[–]SweetRas13 27 points28 points  (0 children)

[–]HastoBeAThrowaway0How long must I wait? 2020 edition 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Still got it Rock

[–]Titanz223 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Hey Nate... Why did you abuse Pete sell so hard?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Oh man, he beat the hell out of me for two and a half rounds 😊

[–]Titanz223 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Alright that's fair, keep fighting the good fight, you guys and girls take way too much damage for way too little pay, don't give the ufc an inch.

[–]viltrumite66 15 points16 points  (0 children)

OH! HE'S HURT! HE'S HURT!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Fighter Nate. Crusader Nate. Now, comedian Nate. There is nothing this man can't do. Brenda schlob was quoted " yiobr bihj hhjknbgg warble marble"

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Don’t forget my humility. I’m actually twice as good as I think I am. So I’ve got that going for me.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE

[–]PlaySomeKickPunch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And just like that, I'm a fan.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nate just found your father in discovery.

[–]DuppyDon 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Haha true, maybe say something with your twitter account? Or get the fighter flair from the mods?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 105 points106 points  (3 children)

That’s a good idea. You must be the brains around here.

Edit: check it

[–]Dibbys 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Nate with the 10-8

[–]bigdickdanielson 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Bess brains for the art indeed

[–]KopensladerNot OG MMA Civilian 50 points51 points  (8 children)

I’m jumping in to say your Kalib Starnes fight and post fight is one of my favourite OG ufc moments.

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 78 points79 points  (7 children)

I did an interview last year I think talking all about the back story. Look it up. It was pretty wild

[–]KopensladerNot OG MMA Civilian 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Will do!

You were my favourite from TUF 1. Do you still hangout with any of the other fighters from that season?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 63 points64 points  (2 children)

Not really. We’ve all gone our separate ways. It is cool when we get together though. We shared something pretty special. Sad to have lost Sincaid so soon.

[–]MalayaleeIndian 25 points26 points  (1 child)

You came across as a solid dude. Dedicated, reliable, tough and drama free. I really hope you guys get justice. I enjoy watching MMA and the UFC is the top organization in the world. But what they pay most of their fighters is a joke. It is high time they treated the fighters fairly and much respect to you for standing up for that.

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Thank you much

[–]iarev 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Big fan of you since TUF. You conducted yourself very well on that show and represented MMA well. Hope life is treating you well.

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Thank you much. And I can honestly say, I never expected to have such an amazing life.

[–]On-The-Clock 16 points17 points  (1 child)

What do you and Jake Paul have in common?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 83 points84 points  (0 children)

Oh man… we dislike the way the UFC does business?

[–]IshiharasBitchWE ARE ALL ONE 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Have you trained your BJJ to hone it since your submission loss to Beckmann via leglock?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Damn right! I’ll be back… that strap will be mine

[–]IshiharasBitchWE ARE ALL ONE 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's really him, guys. It's definitely "Rock".

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Correct. Not “The” Rock. I’ve never been a the.

[–]gaijinbushidoI was here for Goofcon 3 13 points14 points  (1 child)

What did Pete Sell smell like.

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Tanning lotion.

Naah. But I could hear Serra yelling instructions the whole time. That was nice.

[–]xvq_Pregnant Paulo 🥰 178 points179 points  (0 children)

Bro needs the verified fighter flair

someone get a mod

[–]ellus1onistUFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle 75 points76 points  (8 children)

spill the tea bestie

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 133 points134 points  (7 children)

All in good time.

[–]Musti029Michael Chandler’s ghostwriter 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Would you mind doing an AMA once everything is uncovered? For your own perspective on things

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Sure thing

[–]Level_Potato_42 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Just want to say that I'm a fan of your fight career and also a fan of what you've done throughout this lawsuit. Much respect and good luck going forward

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Thank you much

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Nothing shocking from all this info, but fuck am I glad that there’s fighters like you fighting the good fight.

Hopefully things change and I do hope a lot of fighters in the future, look back and thank you for what you guys have done.

[–]marktx 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Thanks for fighting the good fight.. this is thing keeps dragging on and on. I really hope the public gets to see some of the dirty shit Dana has done.

[–]kmurrayloweThis is sucks 44 points45 points  (26 children)

Can you give a vague example? Like no names or anything but what do these emails read like?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 318 points319 points  (25 children)

Literally saying their fighter will take less than the UFC is offering. That’s the management talking directly with the UFC. Directly working against their client’s interests to get favor with the UFC.

[–]rohinton 102 points103 points  (6 children)

Bet I can guess which manager.

[–]Josh6889 122 points123 points  (5 children)

My mind personally immediately went to Ali

[–]noogerCanada 46 points47 points  (0 children)

It's actually Ali the rat fuck*

[–]IATAvalancheSexy Wizard Bisping 63 points64 points  (2 children)

Damn Ali is a scumbag

[–]JonJonesing 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Malki Kawa maybe?

[–]xsoberxlifex 24 points25 points  (4 children)

So was this done with “lower tiered” fighters to get their “higher tiered” clients more money? Maybe that’s why Tony Ferguson was angry and ditched having the same management/agent as Khabib…

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (1 child)

So was this done with “lower tiered” fighters to get their “higher tiered” clients more money? Maybe that’s why Tony Ferguson was angry and ditched having the same management/agent as Khabib…

No, I'm guessing it's to get the ufc to go to the agent for new fighters, and to schedule easy fights. If you're an agent and you have two fighters making 50k who fight twice a year each, and you take 20% of that, you get 40k per year. But if you cut a deal with the UFC to pay your fighters 10k less provided they sign three more of your guys, you make 80k a year. Each of the fighters gets less and gets you less, but you make up for it on volume.

[–]Josh6889 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I would imagine it's mutually beneficial to propel the high level UFC stars at the expensive of the other 500+. So if you're a manager who has some of these fighters, that same manager is probably exploiting the fuck out of the young blood. My guess is that's wheree the collusion comes into play.

[–]hamandcheezus64 6 points7 points  (1 child)

when do you think the names are gonna come out

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 19 points20 points  (0 children)

During the trial, if it comes to that.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Damn that’s scummy getting screwed over by people you’re supposed to trust.

Keep the fight up, I hope you guys win.

[–]lopec87 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Keep up the good fight nate.

[–]northerncalininja 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dana and the UFC run it their business with Mafia mentality

[–]FoucaultsTurtleneckTeam Błachowicz 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Since managers have been brought up frequently lately, are they all sleezy like this? Or are there at least a few good ones?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 58 points59 points  (5 children)

My last manager was great. We never had anything in writing. We just did what we said we’d do. He was even in my wedding we became such good friends.

But for the most part, it was tough finding a good one. The money just isn’t there. My guy would bust his ass for a few grand. The big sports make so much more.

[–]FoucaultsTurtleneckTeam Błachowicz 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Good to hear they're not all backstabbers. I'm actually trying to manage some friends who wanna go pro, could I DM you some questions if you don't mind?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Go for it

[–]Salty-Host9424 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Who was your last manager?

[–]NateQuarry👊 Nate Quarry | Middleweight 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Guy named Gary Ibarra.

[–]curtcreative 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m not even surprised. I’m about to put all my mma fandom into the PFL and forget the ufc.

[–]CitizenWatch____ROSS 925 points926 points  (80 children)

Since nobody in the thread is actually talking about the details and just reacting saying "oh well we should've known all along"

“You have managers that are in the pocket of the UFC that govern a massive umbrella of fighters,” told Mahjouri. “UFC uses these two or three managers, we all know who they are, that have a lot of key players in the game. Those fighters under their banner will never speak up against the UFC. That is the UFC’s monopoly, their mafioso tactics. No offense to the UFC, but offense…”

from an interview with Rockhold of all people by MyMMANews

[–]te3dDumpling Smasher 406 points407 points  (43 children)

Rockhold is one of a few fighters to successfully leverage the UFC, tbh not surprised he speaking out

[–]shipoftheseuss 221 points222 points  (3 children)

Just watched an interview with him from today talking about fighter pay. Good on him for speaking up. He was righteously indignant, which was the exact right tone to take in this situation.

[–]9inchjackhammerDana's wife had it coming 75 points76 points  (2 children)

He’s called out Dana personally before after he’s famously said about a fighter “They don’t want to fight”. Think it might have been after he said it about Dustin. Luke said who the fuck is this guy saying fighters don’t want to fight when he’s never had a fight himself.

[–]randomusernamegame 273 points274 points  (18 children)

Reddit is Luke...warm on Rockhold, but he's one of the most outspoken guys on this matter. I hope he wins on Saturday.

[–]nut0003UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle 84 points85 points  (0 children)

Agreed, I've warmed up to Luke recently. He's not afraid to speak his mind on these issues

[–]THE_IRL_JESUSQweefington 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Have never understood the dislike for Rockhold. Always been a fan. Wish him the best for Saturday

[–]dandan0552This is sucks 24 points25 points  (4 children)

I don’t think there is dislike,rather people just like to make fun of Luke for his awkwardness despite his handsome face and fantastic body.

[–]Philadelphia_Bawlins 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Wasn't there something about him molesting a drugged up Tiger?

[–]apclpsTeam Fedor 17 points18 points  (2 children)

That was Bradley Cooper in Hangover.
Common mistake.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Reddit just jealous that 5iq Luke is looking like a Greek god

[–]thepaleoboy 38 points39 points  (1 child)

He told them he'd make more from modeling. Joe Silva told him to go do that instead.

Joe Silva is slimy piece of shit that deserves to have his stature of a 5'3" person be thrown in the cage against all the men he has screwed over. That slimy little fucker.

[–]CheapChallenge 97 points98 points  (15 children)

Funny thing is he is from a wealthy family so he isn't scared about losing his UFC income.

[–]maxstrongeMazzagatti’s Maserati 126 points127 points  (10 children)

Wealthy family aside, he made 7 figures modeling for Ralph Lauren, he's set regardless

[–]Daddy_MacronTeam Kings MMA 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I don't think even successful male models make that much. The top male models in the world make a fraction of their female counterparts.

[–]Belteshazz 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yeah the difference is he gets celebrity pay he's not "just a model".

[–]NerxTeam City Kickboxing 30 points31 points  (0 children)

That's fine, in a better position to fight

[–]TheWayIAm313 127 points128 points  (6 children)

And every time it’s brought up there’s the idiots that would show up and argue against it. It was insanely obvious what was going on

[–]failbearsAnd the winner is: La La Lan... No wait, Stipe 62 points63 points  (22 children)

Rockhold interview: fighters under certain managers won't speak up against the UFC.

Sounds like nothing new here - most fighters don't wanna speak up because the UFC can fuck you over. The only maybe new info here is that it's fighters under certain managers.

Quarry tweet: certain managers get their fighters less money than offered in order to be considered easy to work with.

More interesting. What does this mean though? The UFC makes a first offer, the manager accepts 10% less than that? Or the UFC and manager bid up to a certain amount, then take 10% less than that? I'm interested in hearing more details here. While the UFC is run in a way that's horrible for fighters, it could be that managers currying favor with the UFC by taking X% less per fight, are being offered better fights and other things they believe are beneficial for their fighters. This would be a lot less damning than say, if mangers were pocketing money from the UFC in order to fuck over their fighters.

[–]BoneTissa 26 points27 points  (18 children)

Yeah, that is strange. Like UFC offers the guy 50/50 and the manager says “no, let’s make it 40/40 instead!”

[–]butt_hut 67 points68 points  (7 children)

As counter intuitive as this sounds - yes, this is what it means. The manager gets lesser commission but it’s part of a longer term strategy to continue business and also grow prospects in their client roster.

UFC: how’s 50/50?

Manager: that’s good but he’d actually do 35/35

UFC: ok let’s do that.

Manager: Great- now what about these other 2 fighters I have? They’ll perfectly fill in the card and can also do it cheap.

UFC: Sure, let’s take a look at them.

[–]yerg99 31 points32 points  (4 children)

exactly. and why would it be any different? to think they don't negotiate multiple clients in bulk would kind of be bad business.

ever heard of a monopsony? it's like a monopoly but flipped: there are many sellers but only one buyer so the buyer has all the power. It's obviously not clear cut with bellator and others but this basically means UFC has all the negotiating power because the "difficult" managers get pushed to the side.

[–]ThinkIcouldTakeHim 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Would help explain the conga line of nobodies the UFC roster is today

[–]KingofTheTorrentineDemocratic People's Republic of Korea 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well from what it sounds like it's similar to what happened in pro-wrestling. Stars didn't speak up because their favoritism would be in jeopardy. There are guys in the UFC that probably enjoy benefits from having a pecking order that their guys are the special ones.

[–]cruhl82 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’d be willing to bet that Ali Abdelaziz is one of them.

[–]Chocoeclair189Pavel fedotov grooming service 746 points747 points  (64 children)

Ali...and who else?

[–]DuppyDon 433 points434 points  (35 children)

Probably Kawa brothers. I know they manage Masvidal and now Jones as well and have a large roster of fighters signed to them both inside and outside UFC.

Shit it could also be Mcgregor’s agency Paradigm Sports fwiw

Edit: Missed that Jones dumped the Kawas this year

[–]mc360jpThis is sucks 28 points29 points  (2 children)

What about Walid? I feel like his Jungle Fights - UFC connections would help him undercut poor, opportunity driven fighters trying to make a come-up out of a tough country

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Figgy was saying something not too long back about his pay being shockingly low for a champion. Maybe?

[–]Chocoeclair189Pavel fedotov grooming service 105 points106 points  (14 children)

IIRC this lawsuit is from years ago, so it might before Paradigm time. Assuming they only have access to information from said time period. Plus, they have a small roster, so I doubt they are undercutting anyone...but Managers are managers.

Maybe Soares and the guy who feeds the UFC all the UK talent

[–]DuppyDon 54 points55 points  (13 children)

The period of case review was extended by plaintiffs Johnson and Dollaway to cover from 2017 till the present day. citation here

But yeah paradigm seems less sketchy as they manage other athletes in other sports so might not be them, but ya never know…

[–]mexicancardioMexico 89 points90 points  (11 children)

Tony has claimed he lost opportunities in favor of McGregor. They were both repped by Paradigm when they were at the top of the division but McGregor was the cash cow. What's more fhe CEO of Paradigm (Audie Attar) is partners with McGregor in Proper 12 so it seems they're pretty tight. Its not a stretch to think they gave Conor preferential treatment.

The most fucked up part imo is that when Tony had his mental breakdown Conor seemed privy to information the general public did not have. Where else would he get the info other than Attar/Paradigm Sports?? Buncha scumbags

[–]FoucaultsTurtleneckTeam Błachowicz 48 points49 points  (7 children)

Tony also implied McGregor owns a stake in Paradigm in the buildup to the Chandler fight

[–]ReallyPopularTeam Chimaev 🐺 43 points44 points  (3 children)

I'm so happy that the sport is so well regulated so that conflicts of interest don't happen

[–]saltyguy512 33 points34 points  (0 children)

He does.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Pretty sure you’re right. McGregor gave big props to Adesanya in lead up to first whittaker fight and seemed to imply he had some kind of ownership / commission with Paradigm. I’m sure I’ve heard this confirmed somewhere else by someone at Paradigm

[–]GoldenScarabIt is what it is 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Kawa's used to manage Jon but not anymore. They split not all that long ago

[–]DuppyDon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ah you’re correct. Forgot about that!

[–]mexicancardioMexico 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Brian Butler-Au of Sucker Punch Entertainment has a huuuge roster too. They used to manage JJ they're most prominent fighter is Holloway

[–]WGYHL 23 points24 points  (7 children)

The worst part for Jorge is he's married to a kawa even if they're part of a trial he's stuck with em

[–]facelessfriendnetMontserrat 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Maybe the exodus from Walid recently too? Just spit balling here.

[–]RuttedAntThis is not my bus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

100% Wallid and his Jungle Fight connection

[–]Heavy_StrainUFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle 37 points38 points  (7 children)

Perhaps Dan Lambert who's the owner of ATT plus a manager for former and current ATT fighters? I always thought there could be a conflict of interest for trying to argure in favor of certain fighters while also needing to stay on relativly good terms with the promotion for the sake of the gym's long term interests.

[–]anung_un_ranaJBJ is my role model 28 points29 points  (0 children)

What? No! Of course there isn't a conflict of interest. It's just small companies helping a monopolistic firm exploit labor. Nothing wrong with that. That's just good ol' fashioned American capitalism at it's finest.

In all seriousness, Endeavor and the UFC are speedrunning this shit. It took, what, 100 years of exploitation in boxing for the Ali Act to be passed. I'm trying to be optimistic here, but with any luck the UFC will get hit with the Ali Act sometime this decade.

[–]MolokoPl_s 7 points8 points  (0 children)

the CW guy who manages Paddy too. that's for certain lmao

[–]Tuharax 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Ali literally thinks like Dana.

[–]DismalEconomics 17 points18 points  (1 child)

This sort of scumbaggery seems like a natural consequence of the UFCs business model.

-- A UFC manager/agent can increase his earnings by getting bigger money deals or by increasing the volume of the deals being made

-- but the UFC has so much leverage in negotiations, that there is likely only a small amount that any particularly deal can realistically be increased for a fighter

-- So most managers/agent will start concentrating on making a higher volume of deals instead of "wasting time" trying to squeeze more money out of Dana White.

-- Also the UFC will likely start favoring doing business with managers that just want to make alot deal quickly as opposed to anyone that's "wasting time" actually doing their due diligence for their fighters and being tough negotiators

-- this should create a feedback loop where you have a handful of favored managers making the majority of the deals in the UFC and the majority of these deals aren't good for the fighters

-- this model would be very favorable for the UFC due to lower fighter pay, favorable to the manager in terms of making money via high volume and very unfavorable to the individual fighters.

-- A manager might calculate that it would be a good idea to have a few high profile deals where it at least looks like the manager has gotten a good deal... this way the headlines may paint of a picture of that manager doing due diligence when in reality the vast majority of the deals are being in a quick and cheap style.

All of the above may result in the managerial style of Ali.

( i'm not trying to excuse the scumbaggery in all of this.... just trying to propose a simple explanation of how scumbag managers rise to the top, end up managing large number of fighters and the vast majority of fighters end up getting screwed )

[–]BerniethellamaGOOFCON 1 93 points94 points  (6 children)

Such “beloved” managers like Ali and the Kawas I’m guessing

[–]mexicancardioMexico 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Always these bombastic, camera hungry morons. To all you mixed martial artists out there, who don't wanna be on a management group where the CEOs...front row and center in the post fight Octagon picture, giving interviews on the MMA hour, clout chasing...then come to Sucker Punch Entertainment!

[–]turtleboatdrawing 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Always love a good Source Awards Death Row reference :)

[–]TitanIsBackBam Margera vs Conor for UFC 300 665 points666 points  (17 children)

I for one am shocked a company that was funded by casino owners, one of which was a commission member at one point, did shady deals to get further.

[–]31renrub 71 points72 points  (4 children)

Whenever I think of the Fertitas, I will forever think of Uncle Frank slamming the championship belt against the table when Conor starched Aldo.

Surely, it was out of pure emotion based on his love for Aldo as a mixed martial artist, and nothing to do with a bet he made…

Edit: Here’s a very poor quality clip of the incident in question. The video i originally saw must’ve been taken down, cuz I don’t remember the clip being filmed in 1994.

[–]Zihejuj 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I want to see this

[–]31renrub 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I edited the comment to add the clip, if you were too lazy to check for yourself. Lol.

Enjoy!

[–]PostsAnimalGifsFuck your advice! 72 points73 points  (3 children)

Purchased. It's even sketchier than just casino owners founding a company. UFC just couldn't get sanctioned in Las Vegas until said casino owners / commission members purchased the company.

[–]TitanIsBackBam Margera vs Conor for UFC 300 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Crazy how when a commission member buys something that that that something just becomes legal even though for years the previous owners bled money trying to get it legalized... crazy. Genuinely surprised there wasn't someone who looked into that at the time.

[–]Ok-Royal7067 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Same. Also wondered why Art Davie didn't make a big deal of this fuckery.

[–]fightlinkerThe former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They made a big deal of it, still talk about it to this day in a "Welp we certainly got fucked by vicious genius businessmen" way.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (5 children)

Uriah Faber was on the best damn MMA show, Morning Kombat, recently and said that a lot of managers do nothing and are just feeders for the UFC getting guys the bare minimum contracts.

[–]DayDreamerJon 31 points32 points  (4 children)

damn, so was mike perry actually smarter than a lot of these guys to see through that bullshit?

[–]BillyTheReaper 28 points29 points  (1 child)

mike perry is in no way smarter than any guys ever

[–]DayDreamerJon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

there are different types of intelligence

[–]gardenvarietydorkAustralia 193 points194 points  (9 children)

Ali sweating rn

[–]jaytee158 127 points128 points  (8 children)

Not his first run-in with the law

[–]mad87645Follow me home bitch 😘 77 points78 points  (5 children)

He'll just cut himself a deal and snitch anyway

[–]MIGFirestorm 18 points19 points  (0 children)

call him mystic mac, because he predicts deez tings

[–]jaytee158 96 points97 points  (1 child)

Josh Fabia would never do this

[–]Abernader01 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Tito is right . All these years

[–]TitanIsBackBam Margera vs Conor for UFC 300 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Dana managed Tito and Chuck at one point. He'd know better than most what the people running the UFC were like. He wasn't afraid to say it.

[–]Abernader01 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dana needs to go the old model no longer works

[–]Immediate-Fix-8420🙏🙏🙏 Jon Jones Prayer Warrior 🙏🙏🙏 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Part of the reason Dana and Tito clashed is due to Tito knowing his playbook with Dana having previously managed him. It was entertaining to watch a less CTE Tito use some of Dana’s own tactics against him back in the day. Unfortunately Tito no longer has the wits to continue playing foil to Dana.

[–]shrewdyis = is 132 points133 points  (14 children)

Lmao it was like an open secret for ages Ali has been at this shit all along. I'm just interested who else is in on it

[–]PowerfulJoeFNo for Gaethjesus. 51 points52 points  (3 children)

This is big since it appears that there is now tangible evidence that can be used in court. We all know or suspect the shady shit the ufc does but until there is actual evidence the lawyers can’t do much with it.

[–]LewisHall90 82 points83 points  (4 children)

Quarry in the muthafu*n house!! Show some respect to a TUF 1 legend people 🏆🤜👆

[–]CableToBeam 55 points56 points  (7 children)

Ariel told a story a while back on his Spotify podcast of how Ali was sent to behalf of the UFC to negotiate with fighters (he said this happened with GSP for the Bisping fight). It's nice to see that there's concrete evidence of this.

[–]AOHarnessWAR ARIEL 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Yep. Also mentioned how the Cage Warriors owner would get his fighter shit contracts when they made it to the UFC on purpose too (see Paddy's show/win fee).

[–]DespicableHunterEDDDDDIEEEEEEEE 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Same thing Wallid does with his pseudo feeder org Jungle Fight.

[–]Evening_Name_9140[🍰] 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Everyone saying they already know of the corruption, but yet when Dominick Cruz represents himself, reddit calls him an idiot.

Get these shady mofockas outta there, represent yourself and keep all your contract.

[–]DespicableHunterEDDDDDIEEEEEEEE 205 points206 points  (8 children)

Wow shocking... anyone who was paying attention knew this. Likely rats like Ali, Wallid...

[–]Chocoeclair189Pavel fedotov grooming service 89 points90 points  (5 children)

We should had listen. The signs were there for Wallid. Should had known when he said "I love Dana White...I would put knife in my son skull for him... faca na caveira"

[–]xvq_Pregnant Paulo 🥰 36 points37 points  (0 children)

also Paulo and Figgy very publicly just left him

[–]Formal-Moose 38 points39 points  (3 children)

This just in Wallid confirmed to have to have participated in UFC's P3ULTRA brainwashing program

[–]StannisByBirthright 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Surprised they aren't including a Bud Light with the P3, like a lunchable

[–]CableToBeam 15 points16 points  (0 children)

missing the point. Having actual evidence of it is the big deal

[–]rosegellerTeam Fake Jon Jones 67 points68 points  (3 children)

Shocked Pikachu face

[–]seymour_hineyJosh Fabia did nothing wrong 16 points17 points  (2 children)

i think anyone with a brain could tell you this. sadly though there's a distinct group of people on this subreddit who don't have one. i just argued with someone on here recently that Ali was getting his people underpaid, and they couldn't wrap their head around it.

[–]Individual-Ad9247 45 points46 points  (0 children)

It may be just semi related but,

FUCK YOU ALI !! WHERE'S NOAH?!

[–]fanD_ 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I can see Nate taking personal offense this BS. I remember the story Nate told of signing a premium membership fee at his gym for a lifetime commitment. Basicallly pay a massive one time fee and you get training for life. Except once you pay, they just ignore you because you’re here for life.

So much bs going on with this sport I’m sure he’s sick of it.

[–]muck2Antarctica 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's fucking illegal!

[–]Fat-Villante 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This alleged thing has been an open secret for a long time.

Hopefully the court does something about it ... Unlikely though

[–]bigapple3am1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Shocked Pikachu face