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[–]_TrustTheProcess 220 points221 points  (3 children)

“I thought about going to a top 80 but 80 is ridiculous”

-man who created a top 75 

[–]Dash_the_nerf_herder 117 points118 points  (1 child)

AND had 25 honorable mentions

[–]LBJ418 76 points77 points  (0 children)

...ranked

[–]d7bhw2 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Same guy who says 16 nfl regular season games is fine but 17 is a marathon.

[–]TheVeganMeatball 305 points306 points  (7 children)

He rank ordered the 25 honorable mentions, meaning this is just a top 100 list

[–]MrF1993 85 points86 points  (0 children)

Lets take a break and then....the top 27

[–]HorseMeatKhabib 33 points34 points  (0 children)

To be expected from the innovator of the 20 best top 5 players list.

[–]notformeclive4711Barcelona Style 145 points146 points  (2 children)

GG Jackson scouting report  Highly ranked high school recruit ✅  Watched him against the Celtics ✅  Flies around ✅   HE’S THE SAME AGE AS MY DAUGHTER ✅ 

[–]webesmackingbass 13 points14 points  (0 children)

“She was blown away” is the NBA version of the conservative dad on Twitter recounting a conversation with his five year old about the carried interest loophole.

[–]Shootit_Rockets 209 points210 points  (7 children)

This podcast is badly missing Joe House

[–]AlMichaelsLingerie 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Sometimes Billy needs the sounding board to call him on his BS in this list

[–]TheTrottersPercentages Guy 98 points99 points  (11 children)

“I’m not wasting a month of Wemby” is how you end up wasting 8 years of Wemby.

“I’m not wasting a month of Luka” is what made Dallas trade for Porzingis in Luka’s rookie year. It’s the reason they were never able to build a contender around him.

[–]Demonphoenix 32 points33 points  (4 children)

This is exactly what I thought when he said this part. This mistake has been made time and again, with AD, with Zion, with Luka. Getting the Spurs a point guard other than Tre Jones does what, exactly? Are they winning a title or contending soon? Nope.

Bill has rightly said a million times that players peak at 27ish and extremely rarely win rings by themselves before that. Even Wemby isn't doing it. The Spurs can't just assume that he'll get injured and have a shortened career. They have to play the long game and work on the assumption that Wemby will have a longer career with a normal arc imho.

[–]zigzagzil 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Playing Sochan at PG was obviously dumb, but Wemby isn't actually good enough to move the needle this season. Making trades to win now would be total malpractice.

[–]SomeDimension165 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dallas really doesn’t get enough credit for being a horribly run franchise who have gotten lucky in 2 international draft picks. The rest is pretty sub-par

[–]Dekrow 79 points80 points  (9 children)

I still don't know where Bill got the idea that there is a weight limit for being an NBA guard. Or why he thinks Luka is 260 lbs.

[–]newjackgmoney21 49 points50 points  (5 children)

He says Luka is a guard when naming guards better than Dejounte Murray, lol. He also says he isn't a homer when talking about his teams. Bill is so full of shit but its why I listen.

[–]itsalmostdry_ 28 points29 points  (4 children)

And then he tossed in Scottie Barnes. Who is 6’7” and I’m pretty sure plays the 4 for Toronto now since Quickley, Barrett and Trent start too

[–]bookey23 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I was extremely confused when he called Barnes a "lead guard"

[–]beefdog99 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I enjoyed that he said Derrick White was a better lead guard than Murray.

Like I won't argue whether Derrick is better, but he's a fifth option who is probably fourth on that teams playmaking pecking order (though likely passing Jrue on both accounts soon).

[–]Calm_Green3821 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I have never heard of magic johnson

[–]FinancialRabbit388Rodrigue Beaubois stan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It comes from a report that two years ago Luka went into camp weighing 260. He got down to the 240’s during the season, and Mavs made WCF that year lol.

[–]AR15_He_Is_Him 240 points241 points  (21 children)

TIL that Dejounte Murray is a FA soon and is going to want to be paid (he just signed a 4 year team friendly deal)

[–]AR15_He_Is_Him 139 points140 points  (12 children)

TIL Aaron Gordon has more trade value than Scottie Barnes

[–]pyrotech_support 80 points81 points  (8 children)

He has Siakam and Anunoby 10 spots higher than Scottie Barnes… how does Bill’s mind work

[–]iggymcfly 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Scottie Barnes was the most nuts placing on that list. How is a top 5 pick making all-star in his 3rd year on his rookie deal (contracts matter!!!) not top 20 at least? Glad to see other people were outraged.

[–]Chiefkadeef 10 points11 points  (2 children)

What is weird is how high he had Mobley who still can’t shoot or create his own shot.

[–]firewarnerApexing the shit outta this stretch 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Bill has an under water mortgage on a property on Mobley Island. He was comping this dude to Duncan a few years ago lol

[–]tonik93 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Oh my god, im just hate listening his podcast at this point, i need to stop

[–]EsquireDr 15 points16 points  (3 children)

When did bill get so lazy? He comes off as an old guy who doesn’t watch anymore

[–]discountheat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey, it's not like he's a top trade target this year. Give Bill a break!

[–]Warlord10 383 points384 points  (62 children)

Bill: "If Kawhi wins the title, he would be the best player on 3 different teams. The 1st person ever!"

Lebron: ⏳️ 👑 💩

[–]AcrobaticFeedback 62 points63 points  (8 children)

I think Bill knew what he was doing. Essentially calling Davis better than Lebron.

[–]Cuntflickt 152 points153 points  (12 children)

Once you notice how Bill acts over Bron it’s genuinely so hard to not notice lmao. He’s like the enlightened centrist of Lebron takes, claims to like the guy but always somehow finds himself on the side of criticism

[–]Quetzalcoatlus5 51 points52 points  (2 children)

And The Decision was Bill’s idea

[–]jar45 25 points26 points  (5 children)

If he follows the “enlightened path” (i.e. the people who were “just asking questions” in the Obama era that went full blown MAGA) - he’s gonna lean hard into the “Jokic is better than LeBron ever was” if the Nuggets go on a run of titles.

[–]holesome_cum_bubble 104 points105 points  (18 children)

Kawhi getting equal credit for that 2014 ring as some other great playoff runs resulting in championship is so disingenuous. Guys like Kobe, LeBron, KD, Duncan have like 10 playoff runs each better than Kawhi's 2014 run. This is why ring culture sucks.

[–]TheTrottersPercentages Guy 70 points71 points  (7 children)

Kawhi was obviously great and indispensable to the Spurs 2014 victory. And not much later he really became a bona fide superstar (#2 in MVP in 2016, #3 in 2017). But for reasons I can’t comprehend people who should known better decided to retroactively make him a superstar in 2014 (or even in 2013) which he obviously wasn’t.

Something similar was starting to happen re Wiggins after GSW won in 2022. People started acting as if it was obvious that Wiggins could be such a valuable and winning player.

[–]BrianHangsWanton 13 points14 points  (1 child)

A big reason why the Spurs couldn’t get past the Clippers in the first round in 2015 is because Kawhi wasn’t Kawhi yet. 

[–]CocaineandPercs 12 points13 points  (2 children)

At the time, I felt like Parker was their best player and Duncan was still their “leader.”

[–]Sayitaintshow 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In 2013 Parker finished 6th in MVP voting and Duncan finished 7th. In 2014 they tied for 12th. They also both made it onto all NBA teams while Kawhi averaged 12.4 points over the 2 seasons. As you accurately pointed out, Kawhi's ascension wasn't until later. Parker and Duncan were clearly still the 2 best players.

James Worthy, Tony Parker, Andre Iguodala....the Finals are littered with players who won series MVP but weren't the best player over the course of the season.

[–]thisisme5 10 points11 points  (1 child)

If you watched that series you know that the 2014 FMVP is one of the weakest. Same with Iguodala also against Lebron.

They got credit for guarding Lebron and not letting him walk all over them but the stats were not impressive in either case.

[–]NathanFielderFriend 47 points48 points  (9 children)

Lmao 🤣 I love bill man

[–]Warlord10 29 points30 points  (8 children)

Like, that's an obvious one. How did he miss that? Or did he do it intentionally?

[–]acat114 69 points70 points  (4 children)

He'll probably say something offensive like " yeah there was some debate in 2012* if Wade actually was kind of the guy on that team, but with Kawhi you always knew!"

edit: 2012*

[–]Allrounder9 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I can literally hear him saying this

[–]iHateTheBrownss 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It will 100% be Davis is 2020.

[–]Gaius_Octavius_ 35 points36 points  (2 children)

He will say AD was the best player when the Lakers won

[–]aaronisnotcoolMy Daughter's Soccer Team Plays Barcelona Style 9 points10 points  (0 children)

he’d def argue AD was the best player on the Lakers

[–]joeybonts_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Danny Green

[–]Full_Cat5323 59 points60 points  (0 children)

“As you know I’m not a homer”

[–]Beeble376 165 points166 points  (20 children)

“Josh Giddey, he’s been in some big games.” Huh? 🤣

[–]DarkenedLite 115 points116 points  (2 children)

He’s played the Celtics 

[–]NotManyBuses 66 points67 points  (0 children)

This is literally what he means

[–]sperry20 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I was thinking man giddey has been horribly disappointing this year and so was shocked to hear bill have him on the list and say good things. So I immediately went to the Celtics box score, and lo and behold, giddey played his best game of the year. Truly incredible stuff.

[–]78blazers 87 points88 points  (7 children)

The wing it with no research or attention to detail piece

[–]Beeble376 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Gotta love it

[–]Beeble376 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Was Ja at 32 way too low for anyone else? I feel no way Memphis trades him for a lot of the guys Bill has ahead of him.

[–]clouchey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah memphis is not trading Ja

[–]obscuremainstream 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Big game hunting

[–]Harpua99 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I barely watch NBA and winced at that one.

[–]twinsguy1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It’s wild to me how Bill complained about no one watching the Thunder and then put Giddey 75, confirming he doesn’t watch the Thunder cause Giddey has not been good this year

[–]JoshGreenTruther 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Josh Giddey is legit terrible I really don’t know what the ringer possibly sees in their obsession with him other than him being white

[–]redsfan23butnew 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Thunder are a media darling where it's cool to act like everyone on their roster is a future HOFer.

[–]NWaitforitZ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Where did he have him?

[–]FlahulachBoy 54 points55 points  (4 children)

‘If Kawhi wins the finals with Clippers this year. He’ll be the first player to win with 3 different teams as their best player.’

Is Bill trolling Lebron here? How would he have forgotten Lebron winning MVP in 3 finals for Heat, CAVS and Lakers.

[–]AcrobaticFeedback 30 points31 points  (3 children)

It’s his way of saying he thinks Davis was better than Lebron.

[–]Chance-Plantain-2957 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Whereas Kawhi in 2013/2014 was a 12.8 ppg scorer on a team with Tony Parker, Manu, and Duncan. Clearly the best player in the league at this point.

[–]lostmypants2009 57 points58 points  (8 children)

It’s almost charming to hear Bill talk about Kyrie. Most people focus on the vaccination stuff, or the weirdly anti-Semitic taste in movies, or some other political lightning rod. Bill just wants to call him a hypocrite for saging TD Garden 4 years ago but not feeling as negative about Brooklyn. The Celtics truly may be the most important thing in this man’s life

[–]thacarter1523 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Today was the first time in a while I can remember him talking about Kyrie without his baseless speculation that Kyrie at some point will force a trade to the Lakers.

[–]djh2121The good bad team 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Leave it to Bill to do an hour solo NBA pod with basically zero research behind it, just feel.

[–]__Red_Baron_'86 Celtics Fan since 1985 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Sports pundit equivalent of Larry Legend paving his mom's driveway.

[–]jrainierseaHe just does stuff 167 points168 points  (11 children)

This could have been an email column

[–]deadweightbossGood Stats Bad Team Guy 115 points116 points  (0 children)

Bill recorded this podcast walking on a treadmill with three pound armbands and wired EarPods while drinking soup from a camelback

[–]Mihr565 37 points38 points  (1 child)

The world is not ready for Bill with a ghostwriter. It’s like a chimp with a machine gun.

[–]JamalGinzburg 35 points36 points  (1 child)

The 'my fingers used to work' piece

[–]Ok_Fee1043 15 points16 points  (0 children)

We used to be a proper website!

[–]Shootit_Rockets 87 points88 points  (9 children)

Bill badly underrates young players on this trade value list. He has DeMar DeRozan higher than Jabari Smith. If Chicago called Houston with a straight swap they are getting laughed off the phone.

[–]BasketRap 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Bill has this weird affinity for the Bulls recently (I.e calling them the sixth best team in the East). My conspiracy (Bill) is he wants the team to stay together so guys like Caruso and DeMar don’t end up on a different eastern conference contender. Cuz I’m a Bulls fan and I would trade him for like a heavily protected first and salary filler, let alone Jabari Smith

[–]251325132000 84 points85 points  (14 children)

The LaMelo part was so funny. Our man legit just stopped mid-sentence and lazily said “eh” and moved to the next for fear of the mighty aggregators.

[–]Calm_Green3821 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I was actually pretty annoyed at that. I just wanna talk Bill, why are you so afraid of “aggregators?” So what if someone takes something you said and do some twittering. No one gets hurt. It’s all bullshit anyways.

[–]deemerritt 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I also like how he had Cade over Lamelo. There is not a single basketball skill Cade is better at than Lamelo.

[–]pizzaking2410 184 points185 points  (13 children)

You can’t sit here and tell me you’d rather have LeBron James right now than Grayson Allen. You just can’t.

[–]holesome_cum_bubble 103 points104 points  (6 children)

"The warriors shouldn't trade Kuminga for LeBron, I know Curry LeBron and Draymond is fun but where are you going with that",. umm probably to the nba finals. Bill is such prisoner of the moment.

[–]ThugBeast21 36 points37 points  (0 children)

The notion of Miami and Golden State turning down a LeBron trade to stay the course with their current vision is great.

"Nah we're set, hopefully Jimmy/Steph just goes nuts again"

[–]NWaitforitZ 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Wait, he really had Allen ahead of Lebron?

[–]mufflefuffleHe just does stuff 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The classy piece

[–]KCPcorner3 112 points113 points  (7 children)

Bill on kawhi: “He’d be the first ever to win as the best player on 3 different teams” Meanwhile Lebron has already done that. Goes on to say if kawhi wins this year he’d be the best player of the last 10 years, a stretch that would include basically Lebrons peak

[–]NotManyBuses 76 points77 points  (0 children)

If you weren’t independently a basketball fan, to hear Bill tell it, you’d think LeBron is basically just a lucky, bigger version of James Harden

[–]d7bhw2 28 points29 points  (0 children)

A 10 year stretch in which LeBron won two titles, made the finals six times, and became the all time leading scorer. But Kawhi took load management to the next level during that period so you gotta give it to him over LeBron.

[–]M_S-Kinternational situation 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Kawhi won't be in the top 5 tbh. Lebron, Curry, Jokic, Giannis and KD are ahead of him. That's an all time bad take

[–]rezaw 73 points74 points  (6 children)

Denountae Murray literally signed a contract extension this off season. He kept hammering that you will have to pay him

[–]MoooonRiverrrr 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I don’t understand how I know that and how he does not know that

[–]chilledonline 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Because he doesn’t watch/pay attention to the Hawks unless it’s to shit on Trae Young or come up with fake trades that will benefit the other team

[–]CondolenceHighFiveReal CR Head 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Verno and KOC kept hammering that talking point a couple months ago and I think Dejountae even called them out

[–]Demonphoenix 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is the part that makes it even wilder to me that BS didn't know that.

[–]KCPcorner3 74 points75 points  (5 children)

Why is KD always so much higher than Lebron on these lists? Bill doesn’t like Lebron tweeting, but KD has blown up and asked his way out of a bunch of good situations now. They have essentially the same amount of postseason success the last couple years.

[–]Cuntflickt 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Bc Bill infantilises KD (“why does anyone give him criticism for leaving OKC? He was a baby!” Paraphrasing ofc but that was the gist of Bill’s quote) due to their past business dealings + Bron basically giving him the cold shoulder over the course of his career, as well as big dicking his beloved Celtics numerous times. At least that’s my perspective on it.

If Bron went to the Lakers and said you gotta fire both Ham and Pelinka or trade me, like KD’s wild ass demand to the Nets from a few years back, Bill would be trying to get him removed from the league.

[–]hungrywantmooshoo 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It’s so absurd. Last year, House called him out on it, actually pointing out that KD has been MORE injured than Lebron recently after Simmons said Lebron cant stay healthy anymore and therefore should be punished in the trade ranking list. It’s wild how much he hates Lebron haha

[–]ThugBeast21 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Setting aside Bill's obvious bias, LeBron has a player option every expects him to exercise this summer and KD isn't a free agent until 2026. On an objective level that makes KD's value a decent bit higher in a trade.

[–]_TrustTheProcess 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Cause he’s still hoping if he sucks up enough he’ll get KD to come back on the pod

[–]protagonist4 135 points136 points  (4 children)

“Part of my rankings is player happiness. Will they be happy to go to your team?”

Well, that depends on the team, bill…

[–]bookey23 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I hate this addition. It used to be more of a vacuum, which is a better way to rate players. I don’t care if Bill subjectively thinks Paolo Banchero would be unhappy in Portland

[–]Victorcreedbratton 52 points53 points  (1 child)

No one wants to go the Celtics.

[–]girlfriend_pregnant 34 points35 points  (1 child)

He. Only. Watches. Celtics. Games.

[–]bombation 67 points68 points  (2 children)

Bill in his zone - cryotherapied, hydrated, running out the clock on football, making shit up, charging his phone and straight vibing. Our boy is so goddamn back

[–]NWaitforitZ 51 points52 points  (1 child)

When he had Lebron at 39 it hit like a patented MJ fadeaway. Bill’s still got it

[–]NotManyBuses 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Bill’s frantic attempts to reduce LeBron’s player profile and career to a rich man’s James Harden really tickle me

[–]Aussie_Spur 67 points68 points  (3 children)

Names Wemby in the top 5. And spends a total of 0 seconds speaking about him. wtf is with this guy? Last time he mentioned him he labeled him a “200 pound French guy” after Embiid scored 70.

[–]Individual-Beach-368 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He talked about him at the Trae young part

[–]rswsaw22 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Wait, no Joe House for the Trade Value pod?!

[–]Muscle_National 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Bill clearly didn’t want any kickback from some of the silly shit he said. House will call his ass out.

[–]EngleTheBert 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, no way House lets Bill have LeBron be 39 and just below Jaylen Brown

[–]CocaineandPercs 32 points33 points  (4 children)

The Celtics’ chemistry is out of control! They’re HIGH FIVING!

[–]DrHorseRenoir 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Remember last year when they had to play with guys like Marcus Smart and Rob Williams that they hated? This year is totally different.😏

[–]MD32GOAT 14 points15 points  (1 child)

They're watching the Jumbotron!

[–]Kryptos33 84 points85 points  (2 children)

A solo pod with top 75 list NBA trade value list with 25 honorable mentions. He's a madman. I'm looking forward to people losing their minds 😂

[–]Victorcreedbratton 47 points48 points  (1 child)

The Honorable Mentions are ranked lol!

[–]buffalo4293 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And he had at least a little blurb/explanation for all of them lol

[–]beastyballerau 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Luka is a guard Bill, come to terms with that pleeeease.

[–]MD32GOAT 11 points12 points  (0 children)

"Here are the guards better than Dejounte. First, Luka..."

Okay Bill.

[–]CapyBara_51 68 points69 points  (8 children)

How many minutes in until he throws his first dog at Lebron?

Update: 10 minutes in, Austin Reaves getting targeted on defense is actually Lebrons fault! (???)

Update: He’s still going on about the hour glass!!

[–]Zachkah 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It's wild that he'll obsess over a single emoji in a tweet (something that objectively doesn't matter) but won't utter a negative sentence about team killer KD or coach killer Giannis. They're awesome teammates apparently and lebrons a bad one, even though no teammates he's ever had has ever said that lol. He's lost it

[–]KCPcorner3 25 points26 points  (0 children)

He threw in that the lakers should trade him for Klay and Moody lmao

[–]fanofpotatoesTax Reasons 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Surely this list can’t change much from the 5 other times he does it per year. And if it does, outside of some exceptions, then it’s probably an overreaction.

[–]SpriteTyson 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I understand the Lakers gave up a lot of picks but the players drafted with those picks haven’t done shit and the Lakers won A TITLE which is the ultimate goal. Of course he never mentions it.He lists out a bunch of players quickly like he does with teams’ upcoming schedules (at Tennessee, home, home, at LA, at NY) to try to overwhelm the listener into thinking he is right but the players were Dyson Daniels and DeAndre Hunter lol.

Lakers gave up a lot but those picks didn’t become anything and they got a chip. Of course they’ve made a good amount of moves that did not work out especially the Westbrook trade but Brandon Ingram and Julius Randle we’re not gonna bring the Lakers to championship contention at that time. He loves trying to rehash the Davis trade. It’s almost been 5 years, give it up buddy.

[–]daggerpeen 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I am still reeling from “Klay and Kuminga for Lebron, who says no?”

[–]RandomUserName316 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Some Brandon Miller respect 👏👏👏

[–]Ok_Schedule_2766 41 points42 points  (6 children)

Just say you don’t watch the Cavs lol

[–]elidisab 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Mobley for Cade 🙄

[–]Statshelp_TA 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Was that actually suggested

[–]elidisab 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He threw it out there

[–]GentlemanHere 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Scottie Barnes at #52 is pure lunacy. A 22 year old versatile all-star with a very high ceiling.

[–]_TrustTheProcess 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Terry “80% as good as Lillard and better trade acquisition” Rozier is an honorable mention while Dame is 40th. 

Funny how that works. 

[–]__Red_Baron_'86 Celtics Fan since 1985 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Well, Bill watched him play last week and realized he's only giving you 73% of Lillard's production.

[–]serv0_o 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ok, at this point, Bill is just trolling this sub right?

[–]Gravyseal 31 points32 points  (5 children)

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but on first listen his first fake trade is Tyler herro and an unprotected frp for derozan and Caruso, both of whom are higher on the trade value list than herro. I’m surprised he didn’t ask who hangs up first…

[–]After_Sheepherder394 35 points36 points  (5 children)

I can't wait to listen and find out how high bill has derrick white before being mad about how ridiculous his ranking is.

[–]__Red_Baron_'86 Celtics Fan since 1985 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Bill acts like he isn't the same as those ESPN/Fox pundits, but then he'll react in astonishment to a list he made himself. Can you believe how highly ranked he is?

[–]Victorcreedbratton 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Haha he does reference it in other discussions, as in he’s shocked someone is ranked so highly, or being dismissive of a player because they weren’t high on his stupid list.

[–]__Red_Baron_'86 Celtics Fan since 1985 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Bill has said things like, I can't believe how high I have him ranked!

Really, you can't believe how much you like someone?

[–]Victorcreedbratton 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lol yeah as if this is all a calculation that values players based on statistics or something. He’s funny.

[–]CocaineandPercs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’m betting Top 25. 

[–]KCPcorner3 61 points62 points  (14 children)

Bill’s rant on the guys the lakers let go was insane. First of all they won a title, second of all he’s talking about guys like monk and Malik Beasley as if they’re these prize possessions. Monk was on a minimum, lakers literally couldn’t keep him and Beasley started almost the whole regular season but he is not a playoff level player. Also bill has been among the most vocal D’Angelo Russel haters but all of a sudden he gets hot for a month and now it’s crazy that the lakers want to upgrade him? Crazy stuff from bill

[–]DwightGuilt 32 points33 points  (1 child)

His Beasley obsession is so weird. He just wasn’t that good with the Lakers and now he’s playing better. Not that crazy

[–]M_S-Kinternational situation 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He's shooting better. Still an absolute disaster on defense

[–]CapyBara_51 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Beasley is also one of the biggest reasons the bucks are so bad defensively right now lol

[–]ChidiSplett 26 points27 points  (2 children)

"Russell has been put in fake trades for months even though he's been playing great." - Guy who has constantly put Russell in fake trades for months

[–]McSquack 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Not to mention, those dudes leave mostly because LeBron gets them paid! Dudes made more people millionaires than the fucking lotto.

[–]NWaitforitZ 37 points38 points  (2 children)

He also had Russ as a loss for the Lakers when he is the biggest case of “addition by subtraction” this century maybe.

[–]TheyMadeMeLogin 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Right, the mistake was trading KCP and Kuzma for Westbrook. They might have another title if they kept those guys.

[–]SerDavosSeaworth64He just does stuff 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Bill including RUSSELL WESTBROOK in that list was absolutely insane.

Has Russ been valuable to the clippers? Yes. Was he EVER going to be valuable to the lakers? FUCK NO

[–]jar45 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Bill having 25 honorable mentions in a Top 75 list is hilarious. Just make it a Top 100!

[–]FinancialRabbit388Rodrigue Beaubois stan 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Jalen Williams averaging 18.8 ppg, 4 rpg, 4.5 apg. Bill said he’s already a 25 and 5 guy.

[–]spurarr 9 points10 points  (1 child)

20-5-5

[–]FinancialRabbit388Rodrigue Beaubois stan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That actually makes sense, but still wrong lol.

[–]Stercules25 29 points30 points  (3 children)

That Kawhi hot take may be one of his worst ever lol. If he wins the title this year he has a case for being the best player of the past decade?! HUH lmao

[–]__Red_Baron_'86 Celtics Fan since 1985 12 points13 points  (2 children)

It should matter that Kawhi is barely even able to participate in the playoffs year-over-year. How is he the best player of the decade when he's missed half of those playoffs, and some seasons, completely? Best at having the talent and not actually playing, maybe.

[–]Traditional-Carob-48 32 points33 points  (3 children)

I can't listen to Bill talk about Lebron anymore. The greatest player of our generation and he spends most of this time shitting on him or downplaying his greatness. I really don't get it. This guy is supposed to be a basketball historian, he's supposed to love the game. Instead, he sounds like a fucking pissy 8th grader every time he talks about Bron

[–]hungrywantmooshoo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Generational hater when it comes to Lebron. I appreciate the occasional criticism, but it’s 99% hate all the time

[–]MD32GOAT 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I skipped three minutes ahead once he started criticizing the players the Lakers dumped/traded for Lebron as if they didn't win the 2020 title. Sorry the Lakers traded or got rid of oft-injured Lonzo Ball, unhappy Russ, "every Wizards fan hates him" Kyle Kuzna, and Dennis "later regretted not accepting the contract extension from the Lakers" Schroeder and a bunch of picks who have become literally nothing.

[–]adomanski 58 points59 points  (7 children)

Scottie Barnes in the 50’s as a year 3 all-star.

I’m surprised he didn’t have Evan Mobley top 10 again.

[–]wychh 13 points14 points  (1 child)

O/U number of Scottie Barnes games that Simmons has watched this year? 2?
Says he needs the ball a lot when his #1 criticism from Toronto media is that he needs to stop deferring to others at the ends of quarters and games. An all-star despite being 75th in usage rating in the league.
Lazy work Billy boy.

[–]jordan1023Good Stats Bad Team Guy 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Scottie barnes at Guard! Lol

[–]JanVesely24 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Scottie’s a guard but Luka isn’t. No time to explain!

[–]Lederniermot1972 27 points28 points  (1 child)

“I dont value big guys. They’re all over”

“The Celtics can’t win without Porzingus.”

[–]gritsal 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Best player of the decade when he functionally didn’t play 5-6 full seasons worth of games.

[–]Ok_Schedule_2766 42 points43 points  (12 children)

Ok Jesus fucking Christ he wants the Cavs to trade Garland for nothing😂😂😂

[–]Thelaboster 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Garland for Payton Pritchard - who has a longer meeting?

[–]Ok_Schedule_2766 12 points13 points  (1 child)

In two months he will love Garland and Mobley, that’s the best part of it lol

[–]nullstellensatz1 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Banchero at 8 because he's got the look or something. He's a 6'10 power forward that averages 6.9 rebounds a game and shoots primarily midrange jumpshots that he makes at a 40% clip. That puts him neck and neck with Ant and above Haliburton and Booker?

He also says he thinks SGA could be the best player on a championship team. To quote the man himself, 'can we see it in the playoffs first?'

[–]Successful-End7689 17 points18 points  (2 children)

“The Ringers Bill Simmons is Prepping for Trade Deadline”… sounded hella corny lmao

[–]armsliketeeth 12 points13 points  (1 child)

They make it sound like he's Santa Claus getting ready for Christmas 😭

[–]Individual-Beach-368 19 points20 points  (4 children)

On Trae Young: ‘There should be some all star team: ‘people who take 3 point shots that you think are going in and they don’t, but you still feel like it was a good shot.’ That’s how I felt — he’s just not Curry. Like he takes shots that they go in for Curry and they just don’t go in for Trae Young. But he’s fine’

Amazing.

[–]__Red_Baron_'86 Celtics Fan since 1985 15 points16 points  (0 children)

people who take 3 point shots that you think are going in and they don’t, but you still feel like it was a good shot

Sounds like Tatum

[–]OfferOk8555 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I mean Curry is like arguably the greatest point guard of all time so not the fairest comparison.. 

But regardless let’s look at their deep 3 stats

Their FG% this season from 30-34 feet deep:

Steph: 22.6

Trae: 35.6

From 35-39 feet deep

Steph: 0% (0 out of 3)

Trae: 33.6% (2 out of 6)

From 2022-2023 season 30-34 feet

Steph: 26.9

Trae: 29.6

2022-2023 season from 35-39 feet

Steph: 0% (0 out of 1)

Trae 55.6% (5 out of 9)

Trae honestly has consistently had pretty elite efficient from deep. There’s definitely criticisms of his play but I always thought this was overblown. He’s up there with the best of them when it comes to pulling up from downtown off his own dribble.

[–]rezaw 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Ik we all expected it but Trae young at 51 is something

[–]Stercules25 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I don't think LeBron or KD will win anymore championships (unless they hitch themselves to a contenders wagon) but the difference in how Bill talks about them is insane. They should be right next to each other on this list

[–]CocaineandPercs 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I agree with Bill that Tatum is a top 10 player but the way he babies him is insane. “He’s only 25” lmfao. I know Celtics fans hate when I say this but he and Booker are together in my mind. I give Tatum a slight edge for his defensive ability and his 3 point hot streaks, but Booker is very steady leading his team offensively even when he’s missing shots. Tatum has played with better players and in a weaker conference. 

[–]GiveMeSomeIhedigbothe Thing Piece 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Ausar Thompson is Pippeny, noted.

[–]CocaineandPercs 35 points36 points  (2 children)

When it’s Giddey, he sticks to basketball. Not so much for Harden or Kyrie.

[–]tonik93 13 points14 points  (0 children)

We all know he has certain preferences, all basketball related for sure

[–]SufficientFault790 13 points14 points  (0 children)

🗣I'M ON A RUN OF BEING WRONG!!!

We're so back

[–]MarginalContact 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I don't think there was a thread for it but in the last Group Chat podcast they suggested trading Kevin Huerter to Toronto to pair him with Grady Dick but somehow didn't suggest their shared nickname as Dick Hurts and that is a shameful error.

[–]Grouchy_Tie3037 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If the Celtics don't make the finals this year they are going to have to attach a pick to get rid of Jaylen Brown's awful contract. What contender wants him if he can't win with Tatum and Zingis? What young team would want a 28 year old on a bloated contract? Maybe the Thunder but they already have scorers.

[–]Ohiowolverine 13 points14 points  (4 children)

The nba Trade deadline being during super bowl week kills Bil

[–]lsd418 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I wish he would just propose fake trades, l don't need a 100 player ranking where 90 percent of these guys aren't anywhere

[–]M_S-Kinternational situation 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Sometimes I wonder is this guy even following the league

[–]Rick0wensJokic Juice all over Porter 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This pod is like craning your neck to watch a car crash. There are so many illogical takes and factual inaccuracies lol

[–]Boring_Bill2430 16 points17 points  (3 children)

The anti-Luka drumbeat is so exhausting. Any praise of him now has to be layered with “is Luka a winning player?” talking points.

Is he actually responsible for Grant Williams bricking wide open three after wide open three? He apparently doesn’t make his teammates better, yet just this season has revived Exum’s career, propelled Derrick Jones to a career year, and immediately made Lively into a dynamic lob threat at 19 years old. Dorian Finney-Smith has unsurprisingly been worse when not on Luka’s team, since he doesn’t get 10 wide open threes a game. It’s just nonsense, lazy analysis.

Luka is playing obscene minutes, top 10 in the league in steals, and his best teammate has missed over half the season (no, Bill, Kyrie hasn’t had a good season when he’s been in street clothes the majority of it).

His reward for working his ass off with a lesser supporting cast than any other superstar has been widespread condemnation of his playing style and effect on teammates. Even his 73-point game was met with considerably more eye rolls than congratulations.

I get the guy has flaws. His defensive effort is lacking on too many possessions each game and he argues with refs wayyy too much. But good lord.

[–]FinancialRabbit388Rodrigue Beaubois stan 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Luka has been incredible in the playoffs and has been to WCF, but he might not be a winner lmao. Replace Tatum with Luka and Luka probably has two rings already.

[–]Warm_Enthusiasm_1337 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Wonder what happened TO Russillo. Ceruti mentioned at the end of Ryen's Monday pod that Ryen would be on this pod with Bill. Hope your boy didn't get hit in an accident with an all-female boat.

[–]Ohiowolverine 12 points13 points  (1 child)

They do a actual trade deadline pod this was just the preview of what to expect,to happen we still get the live reaction to all the trades to look forward to tonight

[–]rawman200K 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why don’t he write this down man 🥺

[–]regemusic33he's a robut 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Guys, did Bill go to the Knicks-Lakers game?

[–]jrg114 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The unintentional comedy piece hit hard on this one.

My favorite was Bill being up to his eyeballs in fake trades including on this pod, and then having the balls to say "Maybe being in fake trades for 6 weeks doesn't help Lakers players play their best basketball" as criticism for Lebron

[–]BingTheDoodleBoo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Glad Bill cleared up that he wasnt a Celtics homer. Was starting to wonder…

[–]ScoreTheBasekt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Did anyone else laugh out loud for the “ok we’re gonna take a break and come back with the top 27.”

Top 27 - Never change Bill.

[–]DetroitSportsKillMe 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Obviously just a homer but wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t say no Duren whatsoever is blasphemy

Also Bill has brought up Isiah Stewart to the Celtics like 3 times then just doesn’t list him in his top 100