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[–]Realtrain 7896 points7897 points  (770 children)

Another one for the history books.

This is going to get interesting. Trump will almost certainly appeal to the US Supreme Court.

[–]Iseepuppies 3016 points3017 points  (279 children)

They already are haha. It was very quick.

[–]varnecr 2142 points2143 points  (150 children)

Needs to be quick. Colorado ballot has to be finalized Jan 5.

[–]Iseepuppies 1351 points1352 points  (54 children)

I keep forgetting it’s nearly fucking Christmas lol.

[–]BigBeagleEars 527 points528 points  (40 children)

With this kinda present, how could you forget that Santa is coming?

[–]djfudgebar 514 points515 points  (40 children)

Yeah, and all of his felony trials really need to be quick, too. But here we are!

[–]Texugee 594 points595 points  (99 children)

And how’s that gonna work? I thought state’s rights was what republicans wanted????

[–]Iseepuppies 336 points337 points  (51 children)

Well they either fuck up all the republican Supreme Court rulings by breaking this veil.. or they skewer trump. It’ll be interesting what happens.

[–]redrobot5050 260 points261 points  (34 children)

Can Clarence thread the needle of “not an insurrectionist enough to be kicked off the ballot, but definitely enough of one so people don’t laugh at us when the DC Federal Circuit convicts him for insurrection”.

[–]Wretschko 422 points423 points  (17 children)

Justice Thomas' wife, Ginni, told the 1/6 Committee that she still believed the election was stolen.

Ginni Thomas was personally involved in fundraising/coordinating for a lot of the orgs that were involved that day.

Yet she still has the absolute gall to say that "she never discussed any activities surrounding the 2020 election with her husband."

You would have to be brain-dead to believe that.

[–]WalkTheEdge 29 points30 points  (6 children)

They're both highly involved in politics, of course they'd discuss an election

[–]SpicyNuggs4Lyfe 936 points937 points  (272 children)

Gonna get a juicy state's rights vs federal rights battle here?

Don't think they can force CO to put Trump on their ballots...what if CO just refuses? They gonna punish the entire state of Colorado somehow?

[–]TransitJohn 1030 points1031 points  (211 children)

They forced Florida to stop their recount and installed their preferred candidate as POTUS in Bush v. Gore.

[–]0belvedere 430 points431 points  (12 children)

And Bush's legal team included John Roberts, current Supreme Court Chief Justice, and it was assisted in a limited capacity by current Supreme Court Justices Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh. Clarence Thomas was on the court and sided with Bush over Gore. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html

[–]KingCalgonOfAkkad 254 points255 points  (6 children)

Well thank God that was decades ago and we don't have to worry about Clarence Thomas anymore, right guys??

[–]OddButterscotch6791 91 points92 points  (2 children)

This is the most depressing comment around here.

[–]AmITheFakeOne 240 points241 points  (40 children)

The ruling was that by Florida law there was no mechanism to hand recount selected areas. Doing so violated the equal protection clause. Florida's law called for a statewide electronic count or a statewide hand recount. But also ruled that because the law required certification by a certain date of they couldn't recount the whole state by hand by that date then the certification would be of the last full count.

They didn't directly rule the counting had to stop just that it had to be equally applied statewide by the cert date.

[–]gotenks1114 78 points79 points  (12 children)

So is that why they launched the Brooks Brothers Riot, to ensure that they'd miss the deadline?

[–]GozerDGozerian 162 points163 points  (7 children)

Yep and before even that happened, let’s talk about the actions of Katherine Harris.

Leading up to the 2000 US presidential election, she was SIMULTANEOUSLY Bush’s Florida campaign manager and the Florida Secretary of State. In her capacity as Secretary of State, she had 173,000 voters purged from the voter rolls, under the false premise that they were felons and couldn’t vote. It was later shown that (surprise surprise) the vast majority of these pointlessly disenfranchised voters were black and likely to vote democrat. The company she hired to compile the list said the list wasn’t accurate.

173 THOUSAND voters had their fundamental American right to vote stolen by Katherine Harris (and George Bush’s brother, governor Jeb! Bush).

Somewhere near 173,000 likely votes for Gore.

And Bush won Florida by about 500 votes.

The 2000 US president election was straight up STOLEN.

[–]hlhenderson 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Let's not forget that her own party kicked her to the curb right afterwards when she tried to run for higher office. The republicans have been fascist for a long time.

[–]Feminizing 548 points549 points  (127 children)

A recount they stalled by having domestic terrorists attack buildings where the ballot counting was occuring

The fact I didn't know this till well after the fact makes me lose alot of hope for our democracy, Bush quite probably stole the election

[–]inmywhiteroom 194 points195 points  (10 children)

Perhaps it was because I was like 5 when this happened but I didn’t know about it until reading the case in law school. All my classmates knew about it though so I probably should have.

[–]brookegravitt 46 points47 points  (2 children)

I was an adult, stupidly voting conservative at the time, and believe 100% that Gore won.

[–]GozerDGozerian 60 points61 points  (1 child)

I was 24. I had voted before, but this was the first election that I was really paying attention and learning what was going on.

Watching in real time slow motion the absolute theft of a presidential seat and nothing was even done about it really made me lose all faith in my nation and it’s government. It was my wake-up moment.

I have very little optimism that things are going to go smoothly this next cycle.

[–]Feminizing 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Same I was a bit older, like 14ish? When it happened and didn't learn about politics until a bit later.

[–]BeYeCursed100Fold 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Yep, "The Brooks Brothers Riot" by Roger Stone, et al.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot

[–]rackfocus 101 points102 points  (86 children)

Wasn’t the final recount for Gore in the end but he had already conceded?

[–]Count_Backwards 266 points267 points  (70 children)

Final count was for Bush because the SC stopped the recount. Later newspapers finished recounting the ballots and found that Gore likely would have won, if there'd been a statewide recount.

[–]existentialcrisis911 887 points888 points  (23 children)

I’m reading the ruling and it is so beautifully written:

“The sum of these parts is this: President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three; because he is disqualified, it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Secretary to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot.

We do not reach these conclusions lightly. We are mindful of the magnitude and weight of the questions now before us. We are likewise mindful of our solemn duty to apply the law, without fear or favor, and without being swayed by public reaction to the decisions that the law mandates we reach.”

[–]BurstEDO 343 points344 points  (10 children)

Also seems like a good faith swipe at the far-right suck-ups sitting on SCotUS as well.

[–]chillyhellion 184 points185 points  (3 children)

That "without favor" is delicious to read.

[–]j0llyllama 379 points380 points  (132 children)

Wouldn't this fall under "State's Rights," which the Republicans are always so defensive of?

[–]jrr6415sun 232 points233 points  (100 children)

the state is saying he broke a federal law though

[–]DoorFacethe3rd 311 points312 points  (27 children)

“The court put its decision on hold until Jan. 4 to allow for further appeals. It also said that if the matter is pursued before the U.S. Supreme Court before that date, the pause will remain in effect during that time and Colorado will be required to include Trump’s name on the primary ballot pending action by the Supreme Court.”

Thats a pretty massive but

[–]darkciti 77 points78 points  (6 children)

So SCOTUS could punt on this and not have to rule on it if they don't hear it within the next 2 weeks?

[–]cardinarium 11.6k points11.6k points  (1593 children)

O shit. This’ll be interesting. Cue red states trying to take Biden off theirs.

[–]Ariquitaun 8059 points8060 points  (1236 children)

How did the US get this deep into gutter politics and anti intellectualism?

[–]VagrantShadow 1612 points1613 points  (96 children)

This has been slowly brewing. You had media outlets splitting sides and then false information on social media stoking the fires. It's been getting uglier and uglier year after year.

[–]Old-Comparison-7725 556 points557 points  (44 children)

As an American, since 9/11 I have watched this country get more insensible, gullible, vicious, partisan and just downright scary now. I was always disappointed in politicians but now the fact that so many are die hard cultists makes them very frightening. It's now okay to only belive facts if they benefit your prerogative. Research and investigation, science, all thrown aside to push some falsehood.

people that are die hard Trumpists are dangerous. If you are that prone to misdirection and propaganda and have no desire for real evidence based facts , I simply cannot be around you. I'm surprised most of them haven't been taken out by natural selection. Just saying.....

[–]Curleysound 9178 points9179 points  (756 children)

We elected a black guy, and the racists lost their minds

[–]LowkeySamurai 1914 points1915 points  (240 children)

I had just become a freshman at Ole Miss when Obama was elected. Campus went wild

[–]pizzapartytn 637 points638 points  (32 children)

I was a junior at Temple. Philadelphia went nuts.

[–]0tanod 609 points610 points  (11 children)

I was active duty military and watched a rich white ensign throw a hissy fit. Kinda a decent precursor to the trump years come to think of it.

[–]CoffeeSafteyTraining 1097 points1098 points  (90 children)

I was a member of the College Republicans at the time at a southern university. I remember people crying, and I just said, "Well, maybe it won't be so bad," and promptly got a talking to about how Obama was the anti-Christ. And by talking, I mean screamed at. And then they complained about black people celebrating in the streets.

My membership ended soon after that.

[–]dburr10085 540 points541 points  (45 children)

I remember our “church friends” saying the same shit.

[–]sixty_cycles 374 points375 points  (25 children)

Oh man… I’ll never forget the youth pastor (a Liberty U grad) at our church at the time. We had lots of our church friends over for a little party and him seeing my Obama sticker on the garage fridge: “Dude, are you serious?”

Same guy left his beautiful wife and baby daughter a couple years later because he wasn’t ready to be a dad or some BS.

[–]numbskullerykiller 179 points180 points  (10 children)

Youth pastors are the worst.

[–]jstilla 39 points40 points  (1 child)

A lot are either confused and closeted, or complete narcissists who need a captive audience.

[–]GuyInOregon 277 points278 points  (15 children)

My grandmother, a devout Protestant and lifelong Democrat, cried, said there was now an n-word in the WHITE House, and changed her party affiliation the next day.

I was genuinely shocked at how quickly all of her hidden racism came out in one moment.

[–]Djinnwrath 48 points49 points  (6 children)

Come on, there's no way it was that hidden.

[–]wuphonsreach 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I remember our “church friends” saying the same shit.

But we should definitely vote for Trump, who embodies the seven deadly sins, because "God works through imperfect people".

The part they leave off the end is "to hurt the others".

[–]PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM 231 points232 points  (8 children)

Republicans need to have ridiculous boogeymen to keep their base from realizing they're electing monsters.

[–]poopyheadthrowaway 185 points186 points  (2 children)

Fascism requires a perpetual enemy

[–]numbskullerykiller 31 points32 points  (0 children)

A perpetual elusive enemy. It's a hate orbit that just misses the gravity of truth that keeps fascism moving.

[–]big_orange_ball 76 points77 points  (12 children)

This is what I don't get about right wingers who say that Joe Biden or whoever is the current Dem presidential pick are marxists, going to destroy the country, will take all your freedoms, are the anti-christ, etc. We now have 2 full terms of Obama and almost 2 full years of Biden.

When will these prophecies come true? What did Obama do to "detroy the country"? What has Biden done to take freedom away from Americans? Sure, the southern border is a bigger mess now than when Trump was president, which is a real concern, but what real, lasting, negative changes did they cause that we anywhere near being communist atheists (or whatever)?

They are largely moderates, and most Democrats I know think that they're TOO moderate.

[–]Squire_II 56 points57 points  (1 child)

This is what I don't get about right wingers who say that Joe Biden or whoever is the current Dem presidential pick are marxists, going to destroy the country, will take all your freedoms, are the anti-christ, etc. We now have 2 full terms of Obama and almost 2 full years of Biden.

I want to live in the reality conservatives act like the Democrats created because quite frankly, that reality sounds wonderful. Not being allowed to force your religious beliefs on others? People actually having control over their own bodies? A robust social safety net paid for by taxes on the wealthy (that we know worked because we had those high rates in "the good old days" when the middle class grew the fastest and strongest it had ever been)? Cops are actually held accountable for their abuse of power? Sign me up and send me through the portal.

[–]TheIowan 176 points177 points  (15 children)

I met him when he came to my college with MTV. He still shook hands back then, it was pre fist bump Obama.

[–]blubirdTN 213 points214 points  (24 children)

Yeah and I had a coworker say “I like black people, really I do, but Obama isn’t the right person to be elected as the first black guy”. That guy voted for Trump later on shockingly. Don’t put your head in the sand because you saw younger people celebrating.

[–]pumpkinbot 143 points144 points  (13 children)

The moment anyone prefaces their opinion with "I like black people - really, I do - but..." is the moment I check out of the conversation, lmao.

[–]Xyrus2000 42 points43 points  (6 children)

Almost as bas the opener "I'm not a racist, but..."

[–]superanth 36 points37 points  (4 children)

I bought a book at a book store and the clerk told me Obama was a psychopath. He didn’t really have a reason why though.

[–]TheGoverness1998 1330 points1331 points  (182 children)

I've had someone try to argue with me that the "Born in Kenya" crusade against Obama (that Donald Trump headlined, by the way) was not borne out of racism, but out of "reasonable concern".

Give me a break.

[–]Rated_PG-Squirteen 987 points988 points  (127 children)

Never forget that Ted Cruz, the last man standing between Donald and the Republican nomination in 2016, was born in Canada, to a Cuban immigrant father. I don't recall any issues about whether he should've even been allowed to run for President in the first place.

We all know why. The GOP is blatantly racist, and never ever let them try to tell you otherwise. Donald Trump, a "coastal elite" born to a filthy rich father, who lived the vast majority of his adult life in a gold-adorned Manhattan penthouse, suddenly became a rockstar in Republican politics because he was adamant that the black guy in the Oval Office wasn't really an American.

[–]CARNIesada6 100 points101 points  (2 children)

"Reasonable concern" is just racism with extra steps

[–]Impriel 37 points38 points  (0 children)

You always have to follow up such things with "reasonable concern ABOUT WHAT"

Or another example I like is "states rights TO DO WHAT"

[–]shadowofpurple 24 points25 points  (3 children)

these are the same fucks that were championing "Amend for Arnold"

[–]SalltyJuicy 56 points57 points  (1 child)

That shit was so bleak. Even Hilary Clinton got involved in it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

I remember Republicans and Democrats both getting pissed over a picture in which he didn't have his hand over his heart next to an American flag? Apparently this was proof he wasn't American lmfao

[–]VegasKL 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Reasonable concern .. meanwhile, back at Mar-A-Lago ...

[–]LasVegas4590 334 points335 points  (46 children)

We elected a black guy

And then he wore a tan suit.

[–]poopyheadthrowaway 132 points133 points  (29 children)

And fist bumped his wife

[–]Almainyny 136 points137 points  (20 children)

And ate Dijon mustard.

[–]AdBig5700 47 points48 points  (4 children)

And he said “arugula” while talking to voters in Iowa. Arugula!

[–]Awol 91 points92 points  (13 children)

That just pushed it main stream. They been making America stupid for a long time now. Stupid people are easier to trick and control.

[–]KnottShore 62 points63 points  (7 children)

It has been like that for a long time here.

Will Rogers(early 20th century US entertainer/humorist) noted this a century ago:

  • "I guess our country holds the record for dumbness. The Pope spoke to the world this morning in three languages and we didn’t understand a one of ’em. But the minute he finished and the local stations got back to selling corn salve and pyorrhea tooth paste we were right up our intellectual alley again."

H.L. Mencken(US reporter, literary critic, editor, author of the early 20th century):

  • “The most erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else.”

Fascism has been said to be a political philosophy that is followed to obtain power and not necessarily a blue print for governing. It is achieved by predominantly playing to the uneducated and shallow thinking masses, and keeping them from being educated in critical thinking. Whether or not you would characterize the GOP as a fascist, they do seem to be only interested in gaining and retaining power by, again from H.L. Mencken, " ... keeping the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary."

[–]Mythosaurus 471 points472 points  (33 children)

Go listen to the podcast about Newt Gingrich destroying the politer era of politics and radicalizing the House https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-revolution-with-steve-kornacki/id1651010434

And Behind the Bastards has a great series about Rush Limbaughs influence on conservatism: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-bastards/id1373812661?i=1000512223030

And Chris Hayes did an episode about how the GOP detached itself from normal, trusted institutions of knowledge generation to instead cater to fossil fuel companies and religious extremists: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-is-this-happening-the-chris-hayes-podcast/id1382983397?i=1000425092340

TLDR: the Right went full tribal in how it generates and processes information, and has demonized Democrats as godless communists no matter what they do. So they’ve worked themselves into an ideological dead end where the base expects the GOP to be at war with everyone that’s not in their in-group.

And that is impossible as a strategy for governing.

[–]JamesTwoTimes 146 points147 points  (14 children)

Very simple. Social media + unintelligent people. Of which there are far, far more of than I could have ever imagined.

[–]The10GallonHat 85 points86 points  (1 child)

Because, as long as you have no morals yourself, they’re easy to pander to when all you want is to stay in power.

[–]jonathanmeeks 991 points992 points  (35 children)

The suit was filed by Republicans and independents in Colorado.

But you very well may be right , nevertheless.

[–]Roku-6 274 points275 points  (9 children)

I think it had to be. Since to file a suit you need to be able to claim damages, and they specifically wanted to get him off the Republican primary ballot

[–]bigwilliestylez 94 points95 points  (2 children)

They’ll blame democrats. For not stopping them.

[–]chevybow 342 points343 points  (13 children)

It doesn’t matter. When something happens to Trump (such as impeachment)- conservatives try to do the same thing to Biden. That’s why they’ve spent years attacking Hunter, unsuccessfully trying to get Biden impeached, unsuccessfully saying Biden didn’t win the election, etc.

[–]Sassybeagle 539 points540 points  (29 children)

Exactly what I was thinking. I’m just waiting for that dipshit Ken Paxton to announce that Texas won’t allow presidents under impeachment investigations to be on that state’s ballot.

[–]Almainyny 437 points438 points  (14 children)

Guess they’ll have to knock Trump off that ballot too, given he was impeached twice.

[–]iciclepenis 251 points252 points  (6 children)

Being impeached twice is a double negative. He'd have to be put back on.

[–]donbee28 114 points115 points  (4 children)

Impeach me once shame on you, impeach me…you can’t get impeached again.

[–]RandomizedName2023 394 points395 points  (17 children)

Biden shouldn’t be on the ballot in Alabama because his son’s dick is too big!

-MTG, Boebert and/or Gaetz

[–]JustTestingAThing 98 points99 points  (6 children)

Biden shouldn’t be on the ballot in Alabama because his son’s dick is too big!

All part of the requirements set forth in the Constitution regarding age and so on...summarized as "Over 35 and under 3.5"

[–]RandomizedName2023 34 points35 points  (4 children)

The founding fathers hated big dicks.

[–]igankcheetos 9 points10 points  (1 child)

My research indicated that George Washington had like...30... But the documentary made no mention of size: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6OOuPI5c0

[–]meatball77 1338 points1339 points  (108 children)

I want to know what it's like in Nikki Hailey's headquarters right now.

[–]AwesomeJohnn 1063 points1064 points  (10 children)

They’re trying to figure out how to object to this while still hoping it sticks

[–]thatbrownkid19 179 points180 points  (4 children)

Babe wake up new Veep season just dropped

[–]gamefreak054 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I regret watching the show so close to the election lol.

[–]asos10 3915 points3916 points  (335 children)

Things like this seem to only make him more popular with his base.

[–]Marine5484 2324 points2325 points  (102 children)

70% of the republican base has him as their 1st and 2nd choice. There is no changing their minds about him.

[–]RealAkelaWorld 530 points531 points  (24 children)

You’re saying nearly a third of the base doesn’t list the front runner as their first or even second choice? That’s much better than I thought.

[–]TheSorge 461 points462 points  (23 children)

They're already fanatically devoted to him anyways, I doubt it makes all that much more of a difference.

[–]APirateAndAJedi 75 points76 points  (2 children)

This is more important than that. Having been removed puts his violation into the public record.

His rage over it will also accelerate his slide into dementia.

[–]GelflingInDisguise 133 points134 points  (19 children)

Good thing his base isn't the majority

[–]ericscottf 188 points189 points  (9 children)

My goodness if they knew you called them minorities....

[–]jaqueburton 11 points12 points  (0 children)

“If Those Kids Could Read, They'd Be Very Upset"

[–]Inside-Big-8158 152 points153 points  (8 children)

That’s because it’s a cult

[–]RipErRiley 2467 points2468 points  (157 children)

Ballsy. He’ll run to SCOTUS and Harlon will get Thomas a new Audi for xmas.

[–]mandalore237 695 points696 points  (16 children)

I bet Harlon reads this kind of news and thinks "oh great what's THIS gonna cost?"

[–]dippocrite 222 points223 points  (4 children)

Meanwhile the phone is ringing and Clarence wants to book the yacht for a few weeks

[–]subnautus 264 points265 points  (28 children)

It won’t work out for Trump if they try. The initial court found as a matter of fact that Trump committed insurrection, so the Colorado Supreme Court had to use that assumption when considering whether “preserve, protect, and defend” is legally equivalent to “support” in the context of the 14th Amendment. Since the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision is the obvious one, the lower court’s finding that Trump is an insurrectionist automatically means Trump can’t be on the ballot.

Two things, there:

  • I bet Trump is regretting all the “oath didn’t say ‘support,’ so it doesn’t matter what I did” talk from earlier.

  • This pretty much confirms my suspicion that the lower court made the “doesn’t actually say ‘support’” decision was bait meant to get Trump’s team to stop arguing over whether Trump actually did it and focused on moronic word games.

[–]sgrams04 96 points97 points  (86 children)

Can he though? It’s a state ballot so can the federal courts overrule the state on that? Genuine question

[–]ElectricEntity 185 points186 points  (59 children)

The Supreme Court can review state supreme court decisions that decide a federal question.

[–]literallyacactus 330 points331 points  (18 children)

Spicy!! Next year is going to be wild yall. Buckle up and don’t forget to vote

[–]autotelica 4138 points4139 points  (113 children)

Conservatives: "State's rights!"

Also conservatives: "Not like that!"

[–]reddicyoulous 938 points939 points  (42 children)

Supreme Court now "Hmm, how can we not let it be state's rights with out looking like asses about Roe v Wade"

[–]SerenadeSwift 724 points725 points  (16 children)

Law school taught me that they’ll always find a way. Law and logic will never get in the way of the desires of the court.

[–]Templer5280 136 points137 points  (0 children)

The most true and saddest thing I have read today … congrats?!?!

[–]Takes2ToTNGO 131 points132 points  (3 children)

with out looking like asses about Roe v Wade

Like they would care about that.

[–]gravescd 336 points337 points  (22 children)

States get to make their own laws, but they don't get to have unique interpretations of federal laws. This lawsuit was a claim under the 14th Amendment's Insurrection clause, barring people federal officers who participate in a rebellion or insurrection from ever becoming federal officers again.

[–]crosszilla 140 points141 points  (15 children)

Important distinction is that federal officers (Officers of the United States, to be specific) are among those enumerated who cannot participate in an insurrection. They're banned from any office if they have. Most people with common sense would assume these are the same thing, but the right and Trump's defense has centered around the idea that the president is not an "officer" even though he's the commander in chief and holds the office of president.

[–]Zen28213 1007 points1008 points  (61 children)

Republicans have a chance to rid themselves of this guy. Again. For the third time. Let’s hope they do.

But I’m not holding my breath

[–]Flavaflavius 234 points235 points  (23 children)

I wouldn't count on it. He's like antibiotic-resistant bacteria; at this point, any removal attempt just makes him relevant again.

[–]placebotwo 88 points89 points  (3 children)

He shit on every demographic, race, job, and disability, and they STILL voted for him, TWICE. You're about as sharp as a bowling ball if you vote for the guy that absolutely despises you.

[–]wrathfulgrape 2084 points2085 points  (386 children)

I am celebrating but nervous on how this will play out in the Supreme Court.

ETA: This is almost certainly going to SCOTUS. The implications are too high stakes.

[–]MedicineGhost 914 points915 points  (123 children)

It's an interesting problem for Trump: if he doesn't appeal, the decision will just be limited to Colorado (although other states may soon follow suit); on the other hand, if he appeals and SCOTUS upholds the decision, he would be barred from every state primary in which someone with sufficient standing challenges his candidacy.

Edit: for anyone who is interested in the status of the other pending cases on this subject, here is a tracker for you

[–]bodyknock 544 points545 points  (70 children)

Not just primaries, this ruling bars him from the general election as being ineligible to hold office at all! So if SCOTUS upholds the Colorado ruling then every state will end up needing to likewise treat him as ineligible to hold office in order to be consistent with federal law.

[–]Sawses 304 points305 points  (34 children)

Yep! He seriously shouldn't challenge it. The SCOTUS is biased in favor of the Republicans, but that doesn't mean they're biased in favor of Trump. He's always been disliked by the old guard of the GOP and taken as a necessary evil because of how popular he is.

But he's probably going to challenge it despite the enormous risk (not to mention the potential to be officially branded the first traitor President since the Civil War). And, what's worse, given how things seem to just work out for the old bastard, it might actually win him the Presidency again.

[–]hamlet9000 141 points142 points  (23 children)

The best outcome for the GOP is for Trump to disappear and for Trump's lunatic base to not blame them for it happening. Die, incarcerated, and/or disqualified would all be great for them.

And what you have now is a situation where a bunch of people with lifetime appointments can take the fall for ridding the Republican party of Trump almost completely with a flick of a pen, while all the elected Republicans can rant forever about how "unfair" it is.

And they'll even be legally and Constitutionally right to do it.

It'll be very interesting to see what SCOTUS does with this.

[–]TheWhiteOnyx 64 points65 points  (18 children)

Yep, the cleanest path for the Republican party is SCOTUS disqualifying him.

But here is the most likely path rn:

  1. They say the 14th amendment doesn't apply to him and he's fine
  2. He easily wins the nomination
  3. His DC criminal trial gets delayed a bit due to immunity appeals, but he is ultimately not immune
  4. He gets convicted in DC during the summer
  5. Republicans lose very big in November (polling says this will happen if he gets convicted)

Or they can just DQ him and Haley runs and has an amazing chance at winning.

[–]Artanthos 75 points76 points  (2 children)

There is no way he does not appeal.

Not appealing would mean the court was right.

[–]VegasKL 133 points134 points  (19 children)

It also puts SCOTUS in a bit of a quandary. If they overrule it, they run the risk of hurting states rights unless there was some obviously flawed procedural issue. My guess is they punt and try to stop them on defense.

[–]HowManyMeeses 129 points130 points  (4 children)

They'll rule in his favor and say "this only applies to Trump." It's how they've been handling everything else lately.

[–]Konukaame 48 points49 points  (0 children)

this only applies to Trump

Bush v. Gore rears its ugly head again.

[–]oced2001 683 points684 points  (79 children)

It will make a lot of GOP problems to away. I think a lot are hoping the indictments would sink his primary bid.

[–]NapoleonsDynamite 373 points374 points  (31 children)

Exactly right. Most of the rational/realistic Repub political leaders secretly want Trump to go away but don't want to do it themselves in order to avoid his hive of cult followers. This way, they can place blame on someone else and try to retain his cult.

[–]uummwhat 127 points128 points  (11 children)

I sure wish they'd publicly want him to go away.

[–]Torringtonn 51 points52 points  (2 children)

MAGA crowd would instantly call RINO and try to cancel anyone who did that.

[–]Beachdaddybravo 47 points48 points  (3 children)

It’s republicans and independents that filed this suit in Colorado though. Sounds like only a few are locating their spine and doing the right thing. Nobody who attempts a coup or even aids one deserves to be on the ballot.

[–]Bloodhound01 202 points203 points  (26 children)

I am hoping this is the way more republicsns have been leaning. It seems even the conservative subreddit has been turning on trump because he is so unstable. Also seems like a lot of the republicans in positions of power try to stay out of the trump related news also.

Hopefully we can all come together as a nation and not vote trump in again so we can start moving back towards a more normal presidential run between the two parties.

[–]time_drifter 222 points223 points  (19 children)

Nah, this is a soft landing they don’t deserve.

This nation will never come back together in its current composition. You have people who think that execution for different beliefs should be status quo because god would want it. I have no interest in reuniting or trying to reason with them. They are beyond saving by even their own measuring stick.

That conservative subreddit cesspool is in survival mode. They ban with impunity if you so much as suggest a different theory or idea. Reality cuts them to the core so they skirt and reinvent it in their own vision. Moving on from Trump is simply a way to move the goalposts and give plausible deniability. This shift isn’t motivated by morals or beliefs, they simply see a better path to exploitation. All of those clowns clapped like domesticated baboons while Trump disparaged the military, his rivals, reporters, and everything in between. Trump is their albatross and so is all the baggage, makeup, and lifts that comes with it.

[–]1dad1kid 84 points85 points  (46 children)

It will be very interesting for sure!

[–]ButterPotatoHead 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Trump has spent his entire life weaseling out of legal trouble with his money, influence, and threats.

But the lawsuits that have come down this year are much larger and tougher, brought by famously tough prosecutors. The classified documents case, fraud, defamation, Georgia election, etc.

As each case is brought I am thinking, how in the world is Trump going to weasel out of this one? Each one just looks iron clad. Even Jonathan Turley said that Trump had to "run the table" to avoid prison, and he was just talking about one of the cases which had about 35 charges.

Now a completely new type of legal challenge the country has never seen before. Does he even have any lawyers left?

[–]Unable-Finance-2099 824 points825 points  (11 children)

Trump was right! We’re finally saying Merry Christmas again!

[–]Spiel_Foss 41 points42 points  (2 children)

1) Trump's lawyers argue that he has "absolute immunity" from prosecution because he was an Officer of the United States.

2) Trump's lawyers then argue that the 14th Amendment doesn't apply because he not an "officer" of the United States.

Now SCOTUS will hear both cases? How does that work? Trump decides what applies to Trump rule?

[–]HappyPorridgeBird 247 points248 points  (35 children)

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

That sure seems pretty damn clear to me.

[–]orchidguy 18 points19 points  (0 children)

When do we apply it to the others in Congress seeking to be on ballots?

[–]raresaturn 104 points105 points  (6 children)

or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof

He continues to give aid and comfort to the jailed insurrectionists, calling them "hostages" instead of convicted prisoners

[–]valonnyc 102 points103 points  (8 children)

Trump is a walking constitutional crisis. He causes chaos and cries like a baby when accountability comes knocking.

[–]grandroute[🍰] 66 points67 points  (4 children)

already the GOP is parsing, lying distorting, distracting. But the Constitution is clear. Trump gave away state secrets, showed classified documents to people from other countries, stole classified documents, took a huge binder of Russian intelligence, and tried to overthrow the newly elected government BY FORCE and subterfuge. He betrayed the country and his oath of office.

And not to mention he used the position to enrich himself and his kids.

The SC will be forced to uphold the CO ruling. For them to rule otherwise will mean they themselves are denying the very document this country is founded upon.

[–]DrNick1221 1037 points1038 points  (45 children)

Hooo man I can not wait to see the absolutely unhinged rant that's gonna come from the mango moron over this.

[–]SFDessert 320 points321 points  (16 children)

I don't know if it's because I've done a good job filtering/curating my reddit stuff, but I very gratefully haven't been seeing almost anything about Trump recently. I hope I never stumble across another unhinged rant from this asshole. I got enough going on in my life and am beyond done with that bullshit.

[–]VegasKL 52 points53 points  (0 children)

but I very gratefully haven't been seeing almost anything about Trump recently

I don't follow or read any of his posts, but I do get an occasional update and his tantrums have been getting progressively worse. This one should be on the level of "middle of the night, McDonald's is closed, and Jr. just said he loved me" level of fit.

[–]Critical_Moose 125 points126 points  (13 children)

As cool as this is, I'm now less excited to spend the holidays with my fox news family

[–]TotesNotaBot0010101 405 points406 points  (25 children)

First weed and now this. CO doesn’t fail to deliver early!

[–]Powkoa 130 points131 points  (6 children)

Weren’t they the first state to elect an escort as a House Representative too?

[–]WonderfulShelter 37 points38 points  (1 child)

got rid of qualified immunity and decriminalizing psychedelics.

CO is truly the best state right now for civic engagement having true effects.

[–]CinnamonToastFecks 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Love that REPUBLICANS filed this suit and the Colorado Supreme Court defectors were appointed by democratic presidents. This wasn’t even partisan!!!

[–]brokozuna 26 points27 points  (5 children)

DeSantis should see about doing that for Florida. I mean, if Trump needs Florida to win the presidency and can't get it no matter what, 'ol Platform Shoes can still be on the ballot! Come on Ronnie, show em you're not scared!

[–]Hayes4prez 548 points549 points  (68 children)

One aspect everyone is overlooking, this gives Jack Smith a court ruling that Trump did in fact lead an insurrection against the United States on January 6th.

Just the fact that it’s FINALLY in court document is crazy to think about. He is an insurrectionist. Everyone knew it but now we even have an actual court ruling.

[–]The_Perfect_Fart 91 points92 points  (45 children)

Wouldn't that mean if it gets appealed then the opposite is true? There would be a court ruling that he didn't?

[–]rocketwidget 314 points315 points  (96 children)

I can't wait to hear how the Supreme Court says the plain English text of the 14th Amendment "doesn't mean anything".

The 14th Amendment says an officer who engaged (not convicted) in insurrection is disqualified.

The man is literally on trial for attempting to overthrow the lawfully elected President of the United States.

The Constitution also says what a president has to swear to become President:

Before he enters on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: — "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

[–]PoliticsLeftist 154 points155 points  (69 children)

They'll probably argue you need to be convicted to have engaged in insurrection. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

[–]PermitSpecialist5472 907 points908 points  (43 children)

Wow, I'm legitimately surprised! I just assumed that no court had the balls to remove the OBVIOUS AND BLATANT TRAITOR TO OUR GOVERNMENT.

For once,Lady Justice previals.

[–]Body_Pillow_Bride 227 points228 points  (11 children)

Colorado has serious balls when is comes to things like this. We also removed qualified immunity for cops.

[–]JcbAzPx 48 points49 points  (0 children)

And cops somehow didn't immediately cease to exist in Colorado? Shocking!
/s

[–]just-why_ 87 points88 points  (3 children)

At least in the short term...

[–]TrailerParkFrench 165 points166 points  (33 children)

If this is the only bad news Trump gets over the next six months, we’ve failed as a country to protect our democracy. This is a final cumulative exam for our little American experiment. If we can’t protect our democracy from within, we don’t deserve to have it.

[–]Conflixxion 44 points45 points  (9 children)

let's see just how much the SCOTUS allows states rights to go...