Haviv Rettig Gur On Israel’s Agreement With Hamas
Haviv Rettig Gur, a correspondent with the Times of Israel, joined me this morning. Haviv has been a regular guest of Dan Senor’s on Mondays on his podcast “Call Me Back,” as well as on the Times of Israel podcast “The Daily Briefing.” Haviv is compelling and calm, extremely well informed and blunt. (I should have listened to my friend Stephanie years ago when she recommended him first!):
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HH: Joined from Israel by Haviv Rettig Gur. Good morning, Haviv. I greatly appreciate you joining me this morning. Welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show.
HRG: Thank you for having me, Hugh. It’s good to be here.
HH: Years ago, Stephanie, our mutual friend, recommended that you come on. But I’ve had Ambassador Oren all these years from Israel, and I didn’t think I needed a second. But after listening to you on Dan Senor’s podcast and on the Times of Israel podcast, I said I’ve got to talk to this guy myself. You’re really quite remarkable, Haviv. Will you tell the audience how long you’ve been doing this for? You are with the Times of Israel. You’re their political correspondent, their conflicts correspondent. But give them a little background if it’s the first time they’ve heard you.
HRG: I’ve been in journalism since 2005. I actually got my first job in journalism during the disengagement from Gaza. And mostly, English language journalism. English is my second language, but I spent some childhood years, quite a few in the United States. That’s it. I’m born and raised in Jerusalem, served in the army, pretty much done journalism since college.
HH: I have appreciate your calm but very blunt assessment of everything. And I have seven, eight questions and 33 minutes to do it, so I’m going to get at it. First, your assessment of the hostage release negotiation that is proceeding, that was approved by the cabinet 35-3 last night on the recommendation of the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet?
HRG: Yes. There are a few things we need to understand about this deal. The first thing, the government voted overwhelmingly. I think it was 35-3 cabinet members voted overwhelmingly to accept it. They voted to accept it, including some people whose initial public reaction, they put out press releases when it was first announced a day or two ago, was to reject it. And the reason was that the commander, the security services that you just mentioned all said that in fact, it would also help Israeli security. We’re talking about getting out the most sensitive of the hostages, children, and their mothers. There was an Israeli demand that was accepted by Hamas. Again, accepted by Hamas doesn’t mean much. We have to see if it’s implemented, but it was accepted by Hamas not to split up families. So far, when Hamas did release a couple of the hostages at the beginning, they left family members inside. They tried to keep as many families as possible as part of the campaign of the government, the pressure campaign, because that’s of course what they’re holding the hostages for. So Hamas…released together, and my assessment is that the great overwhelming, overpowering question hanging over this is that, is will it be easy to get back to the war, because if this is an end to the war, if this is the beginning of a much larger international campaign, then that’s a disaster.