U.S. Calls for Pause on Johnson & Johnson Vaccine After Clotting Cases

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Jango214 · 2021-04-13T11:47:59+00:00

Isn't the Sputnik vaccine also made of the same tech as J&J and AZ?

Minneapolis_W · 2021-04-13T11:07:48+00:00

That is less than ideal.

So it sounds like similar issue to AZ... is it a viral vector issue?

CornellBigRed · 2021-04-13T11:03:53+00:00

Well this is not great.

thrilling_me_softly · 2021-04-13T11:38:05+00:00

I got the J&J and am currently in the timeline people are finding this. My question is, how do you know if it’s happening to you? Headache, fainting, etc? I can’t find any info on it

EDIT: Just to be more specific, 6 to 13 days post vaccination is when they said the 6 cases had popped up. Lots of good info in the replies to this comment for anyone else seeking out the symptoms

princessjemmy · 2021-04-13T18:12:38+00:00

I'm just glad I got the J&J last weekend. I didn't have a choice, as you get what you get when you sign up in my state.

At this point, I've had cancer twice, I just dealt with a retinal detachment, and am only 45. If I get blood clotting issues, I'll just deal. Have done a lot of dealing these past 5 years...

Deedaisy · 2021-04-13T12:06:07+00:00

I was scheduled to get this shot today, in just a few hours. I've been waiting for the opportunity to get vaccinated because I have to go in to work everyday and don't work from home. This is just great... :/

Update: They paused all J&J vaccinations in my State, so I wasn't able to get a shot today. They have rescheduled me for a Moderna shot next week. I liked the convenience of one and done J&J but I'll take whatever I can get.

toadfan64 · 2021-04-13T11:15:55+00:00

Welp, this is gonna tank people’s faith in the vaccine now... great.

Redditbayernfan · 2021-04-13T11:44:23+00:00

I was about to get the J&j vaccine now, was literally 5 mins from the vaccination center.

Edit: guys I was going to take the JJ vaccine regardless of the news, I really don’t care of the super low chances. Regardless, I am going to the PFIZER vaccination site to get that one. Cheers!

Theobat · 2021-04-13T12:21:16+00:00

So many people were suspicious of the Pfizer and moderna mRNA vaccines. Ironic that those are not the ones causing serious problems.

Edit: edited to removed reference to “new” tech. Reworded: there was a lot of suspicion regarding the mRNA vaccines, ironic that the viral vector vaccines (both types being relatively new ish) are the ones causing a problem, albeit a problem that is 1 in a million.

BF1shY · 2021-04-13T12:41:04+00:00

Oxford's AstraZeneca and Janssen's Johnson & Johnson vaccines use the same Non-replicating adenovirus vector vaccine base, while Pfizer and Moderna use mRNA in lipid nanoparticles.

I'm not surprised that J&J is having the same clotting issues AstraZeneca is.

rocketwidget · 2021-04-13T11:16:05+00:00

Oy. Not great for the US but we will probably be OK. Terrible for the world.

Sounds like it's a common issue to the technology of the AZ and J&J vaccines.

Good summary of the AZ issue here: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/12/az-oxford-calculations

Edit: Hey folks, read the article I posted. It's understood this is a very rare event.

A not-fake adverse event, even very rare, is still bad when vaccine hesitancy could be a problem. It's not as simple as "lightning strikes, who cares", and it's complicated by the fact that risks vary among various populations both for COVID-19 and vaccines. Countries are making changes in public health policy in the case of AZ, and are likely to continue to update policy as we get more information.

Edit2: A positive way of looking at this and vaccine hesitancy is as follows:

It's pretty hard to claim there's a vast conspiracy to suppress secret deaths and side effects when the whole damn system literally stops because it found 6 cases of a thing out of 7 million doses.

https://twitter.com/maggiekb1/status/1381990938281615360

koikatturtle · 2021-04-13T11:34:18+00:00

My appointment is today will they still administer it to me. I’m ok taking it

rmarti78 · 2021-04-13T14:00:56+00:00

I don’t know why people are shitting on the FDA for this. Literally what choice did they have? Did you want them to bury this info and let it come out later and become a huge scandal? Or did you want them to let us know there was an issue that they’re investigating but asking people to feel confident taking a vaccine that’s under further investigation? There’s no good option here but they clearly picked the right one.

DropC · 2021-04-13T11:37:44+00:00

I'm pretty sure countries without any vaccine would not care about 1 in a million risk vaccine.

domerock_doc · 2021-04-13T13:00:42+00:00

Honestly, I can’t tell if this is a good thing or not. It shows that the government isn’t hiding anything under the rug with regards to these vaccines. However, I fear that this will just enable the vaccine deniers and give credit to their position.

Blue_foot · 2021-04-13T11:54:16+00:00

If one received their J&J vaccine 6 days ago, what symptoms would be a cause for concern?

2001MThrowaway · 2021-04-13T11:59:29+00:00

At least the CDC will be holding an emergency meeting tomorrow, and then shortly after, the FDA will review it, and it should be back in use. I wouldn't expect this to continue into next week unless something else comes up. Yes, it sucks, but moving back the vaccine rollout of 1 vaccine that isn't being used very much for a few days to make sure it is safe is very important.

CtrlZonmylife · 2021-04-13T14:20:04+00:00

I got the J&J a month ago. My arm hurt, I had chills that night and was tired for a couple days. For me it was worth it - sorry to see others getting such harsh reactions.

Doctor_Realist · 2021-04-13T12:33:55+00:00

The problem is that these HIT like clotting reactions, at least for the A-Z vaccine, happen in a demographic whose morbidity and mortality from COVID isn’t as high. 1 in a million might be acceptable, but 1 in a hundred thousand may start getting close to the chances of becoming really ill with COVID.

Alhelamene · 2021-04-13T11:37:11+00:00

Here we go again

Desiration · 2021-04-13T13:25:16+00:00

J&J really not getting good press. A mass vaccination site near me had to halt J&J vaccinations about a week ago due to too many severe immediate reactions that day.

Al-Khwarizmi · 2021-04-13T11:08:41+00:00

This is very very bad.

A lot of people were planning to get J&J because they are scared of mRNA. I have multiple friends who are basically anti-vaxxers who refuse to get the Moderna/Pfizer shots. So this is going to be bad for those cases.

2021-04-13T14:19:57+00:00

Well fuck. Ammo for the antivaxxers to use for the next 50 years.

visual-curve · 2021-04-13T11:13:58+00:00

Okay here's what the article says. Out of the roughly 7 million people who have received the J&J vaccine, 6 (yes, 6), have developed a rare disorder involving blood clots. All 6 cases were women in the age range of 18 to 48. One died and another is currently in the hospital. It's again one of those 'out of abundance of caution' situations but this is not remotely wide spread or anything. The 6 out of 7 million means .0000857% of vaccine recipients developed these blood clots.

dcv2017 · 2021-04-13T12:04:51+00:00

For those upset about this, the FDA needs time to investigate to ensure safety. We don’t know exactly how widespread it could be. Even if it isn’t that much, they need time to figure out who is at risk and who is not. This isn’t a removal of approval, it’s a pause. Can you imagine the reaction if they ignored it and didn’t try to do anything about it? Ensuring safety of these vaccines is the only true way to keep long term confidence in them, not just ignoring potential risks. At least we have two other vaccine options.

nocemoscata1992 · 2021-04-13T11:37:51+00:00

I believe they will limit it to over something. Still not great.

Murderbot_of_Rivia · 2021-04-13T12:45:35+00:00

I guess I need to revisit my 90-y/o old neighbor who told me he is waiting for the J&J vaccine because he doesn't trust Pfizer.

hidazfx · 2021-04-13T14:40:46+00:00

Weren’t these all women between the ages of like 18 and 45 or something? Could birth control be causing these?

crowd79 · 2021-04-13T12:18:23+00:00

Welp, our national first daily dosage rate of 1.8 million+ will surely take a dive in the coming weeks.

madds0804 · 2021-04-13T11:20:59+00:00

well damn, I just got my j&j yesterday :/

Tomahawk72 · 2021-04-13T11:39:03+00:00

This is going to absolutely fuck rural Maine where they are struggling enough to get people to take the Vaccine

Chadwick8505 · 2021-04-13T13:04:38+00:00

Of course I’m literally scheduled for Thursday to get JnJ.

CatDad69 · 2021-04-13T11:18:19+00:00

Six clotting cases out of 7 million. Isn't the risk of doing this -- and the increased/confirmed hesitancy (see! I didn't want to be an experiment!) far worse than six cases out of 7 million?

This seems to be an insane overreaction with no realization of the longer-term harm this will cause in uptake. I don't get it, at all.

Manners_BRO · 2021-04-13T14:22:21+00:00

Well everyone, stay off of Facebook for a few weeks.

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