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[–]OnLY399_Gold | QC: CC 114, ETH 31 | TraderSubs 31 896 points897 points  (17 children)

Elon can now buy BTC with Tesla cars

[–]ehilliuxSilver | QC: CC 485 | r/SSB 41 148 points149 points  (1 child)

[–]elgato_caliente 107 points108 points  (1 child)

This is the post I clicked for

[–]milehigh89 91 points92 points  (0 children)

he has the right mindset. everyone chastising the dude who bought the pizza for 10,000 bitcoin. in reality, we should kicking ourselves for not selling pizzas for 10k bitcoin. elon is selling the 10k bitcoin pizzas of 2021!

[–]DrudgelAll I want for Christmas is 1 BTC 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Such a brave decision to build a car empire just to stack more sats

[–]GroundbreakingLack78Platinum | QC: CC 1416 39 points40 points  (4 children)

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[–]DivineEu59K / 71K 🦈 6 points7 points  (0 children)

BTC doesn't see a garage so that a plus

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i felt your comment deserved a relevant award, so i gave you a pile of burning fiat! ;)

[–]Solebusta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine exchanging crap for gold... Elon is laughing to his bank. No wait, btc wallet.

[–]earthmoonsunPlatinum | QC: CC 140, BCH 93 | Buttcoin 5 334 points335 points  (36 children)

That is the most interesting part. This is how adoption will happen.

As long as, and most vendors do this, crypto gets immediately exchanged to fiat, fiat will rule. But if crypto closes the circle, things start to get interesting.

[–]kungfuchameleonPlatinum | QC: CC 81 | UKPers.Fin. 11 100 points101 points  (7 children)

Exactly! Smart move on the part of Tesla. This is real integration.

[–]milehigh89 42 points43 points  (6 children)

what i want to see is them in turn paying global suppliers in btc. they'll need a diverse mix of cash of and crypto to be a true world player going forward, so they can't just hodl the crypto and spend the cash. it would be awesome if they could spend crypto as well without converting it back. to pay taxes, to pay suppliers, to pay employees.... that's adoption.

[–]kungfuchameleonPlatinum | QC: CC 81 | UKPers.Fin. 11 13 points14 points  (2 children)

For sure, hopefully the next step is various stakeholders in the supply chain accepting crypto payments!

[–]katherinesilensBronze | PCmasterrace 41 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That might take a while because the overwhelming concern with accepting crypto is price stability. There's too much volatility to forge long term contracts off of just yet without a significant amount of speculation. But one day!

[–]DrudgelAll I want for Christmas is 1 BTC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Circular bitcoin economies, here we come

[–]DivineEu59K / 71K 🦈 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I'm sure companies will follow Tesla in time, companies will see that the "Internet Magic Money " is not that bad and will start to accumulate too.

Tesla is a leading company for a reason.

[–]ReadersAreRedditorsPlatinum | WeedStocks 61 3 points4 points  (3 children)

One day my employer may ask, "which currency do you want to be paid in?"

[–]pistonianPlatinum | QC: XLM 28 1 point2 points  (17 children)

does this mean the buyer does not pay capital gains taxes since there's no conversion into USD?

[–]spankymcgee4Bronze | QC: CC 17 | NEO 16 13 points14 points  (4 children)

The IRS would still consider this a taxable event I am pretty sure.

[–]boon4376Tin | r/WallStreetBets 20 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The IRS will accept tax payment in BTC eventually.

[–]AnotherThroneAwayTin | r/WSB 13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

GL with that. Uncle Sam likes his dolla dolla bills

[–]isthatrhetoricalSilver | QC: CC 971, CCMeta 51 | NANO 34 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

🎶REDDIT SUCKS🎶
🎶SPEZ A CUCK🎶
🎶TOP MODS ARE ALL GAY🎶
🎶ADVERTISERS BENT YOU TO THEIR WILL🎶
🎶AND THE USERS FLED AWAY🎶

[–]HomunculisticBronze | QC: r/Microsoft 4 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Any sale/exchange of cryptocurrency to other currency, cryptocurrency, material goods, services, etc is a taxable event according to current US tax policy

[–]MooseShaper 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yep, it's a massive barrier to adoption.

Why buy something in crypto when capital gains taxes are added as (essentially) a second sales tax?

[–]Oh_No_Tears_Please 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The buyer of the Tesla does experience a taxable event from trading the coin.

Don't kid yourself, there is nothing different about this at all...read publication 544 on the irs site.

[–]ProcessMeMrHinkieI want to be a mooninaire so f'ing bad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is it the same for gold in a barter transaction?

[–]swhizzle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I highly doubt that :p

[–]JoeTerp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No

[–]arsewarts1Tin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How will this affect end consumer when taxes aren’t paid

[–][deleted] 272 points273 points  (46 children)

Elon endorsing doge :

WES HATE HIM GOLLUM GOLLUM

Elon keeping BTC :

OUR PRECIOUS

[–][deleted] 102 points103 points  (16 children)

This sub reminds me of my ex wife and her mood swings way to much, althou i cant decide who fucked me better lol

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (11 children)

The crazy ones are always amazing in bed ...

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (9 children)

Yeah but i have a hard time deciding if getting hit with a frying pan is worth it...

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (4 children)

Penis says yes

[–]Solebusta 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes. BDSM with frying pan.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What if you are a woman then?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fufun says oui

[–]DrudgelAll I want for Christmas is 1 BTC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]Still_Lobster_8428Silver|QC:CC416,BNB120,ETH111|GMEJungle134|Superstonk468 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Try getting stabbed with a knife..... and still going back 14 times over 10yrs because it was just SO good! For years after every other woman I was with seemed vanilla.... until I realised not bat shit crazy gave me a fair chance of seeing my 50's and actually being happy in a relationship had a lot more meaning to me!

[–]neverseeitall 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Adrenaline is as crazy a drug as the rest of them! Fortunately eventually most of us eventually train up that forebrain and make the connection you did.

[–]Still_Lobster_8428Silver|QC:CC416,BNB120,ETH111|GMEJungle134|Superstonk468 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So very true!

[–]neverseeitall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oooh, you got kitchen play for free? Lucky you!

(more serious, sorry to hear, at least you have much fodder for comments now!)

[–]EarzMorganTin -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

But can they make a good sandwich?

[–]DivineEu59K / 71K 🦈 18 points19 points  (0 children)

[–]mgoody555 - 6 years account age. 150 - 300 comment karma. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sub probably does more consistently though.

[–]Ciaranor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I upvoted, but thought better of it when I saw the counter go to 70 so I retracted it

[–]DivineEu59K / 71K 🦈 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Inference:

some People love Bitcoin, some People Hate Doge

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

But they only state their opinion as long is it yields them upvotes

[–]DivineEu59K / 71K 🦈 5 points6 points  (1 child)

yea and title it with "Unpopular opinion"

[–]BlitzKyoBronze 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This! Plus, couple that with "I'll probably get downvoted into oblivion for this...but"

[–]Raider4-Master Of Coin 20 points21 points  (13 children)

It’s almost like his actions that hurt the community get criticized and his actions that help the community get praised! Who woulda thought!

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (12 children)

Its almost as if this is sub is becoming a moonfarm echochamber ! Who woulda thought!

To be real here everything elon did in the last months was good for crypto. So tell me where the negative comments came from

[–]Key-Cucumber-1919All the buzzwords 3 points4 points  (10 children)

Do you think that the Doge pump was good for the community?

I agree that some people were exposed for the first time (good) but they also lost a ton of money which solidified their belief that crypto is a scam (bad).

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Brought a lot of more people into crypto including me. Most of the doge pumps profits go straight into other coins. So overall every crypto becomes more worth. And if you hold more than doge everyone wins. I see now downside besides for people who bought at peak fomo points .. and that can happen with every crypto. Even those will learn if they HOLD they will come out ontop.

Sadly that excludes the scam pump and dump coins that never bounce back :/

[–]Izual_RebirthBronze | SysAdmin 52 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Whut

[–]NanaNanaDooDooBronze | QC: CC 16 | SHIB 10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guarantee less people have lost money on doge than bitcoin. Also, who lost tons of money on doge? Isn't it's price still relatively high?

[–]GroundbreakingLack78Platinum | QC: CC 1416 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TL;dr : Bullish

[–]AnotherBrockTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tesla is endorsing it.

[–]Roy1984 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Elon is a HODLer.

[–]semo_wProne to boat accidents 36 points37 points  (1 child)

You could buy a Lamborghini with bitcoin in 2017, though this option was removed from most car dealerships and sites due to its volatility.

The fact that the bitcoins are not going to be converted to fiat and seen as an investment perhaps encourages other distributors to follow this path and let go of their negative mindset.

[–]notmattdamon1Banned 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wonder what it's like working at a Lambo dealership, clients coming in, I'm sure they recognise the crypto millionaires in a second.

[–]Raider4-Master Of Coin 107 points108 points  (32 children)

Elon loves to meme and talk about Doge. Yet Tesla adopted BTC.

Actions speak louder than words.

[–]Wargizmo 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Very smart. He can indirectly pump bitcoin by tweeting about DOGE and introducing millions of people to crypto. As long as he doesn't hold DOGE hes not breaking any laws. The fact that it's a memecoin is also the perfect out because he can pass the whole thing off as a joke/bit of fun

[–]Bringbackdexter 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It’s so obvious he’s just using it to pump BTC. He knows better than to sell though.

[–]Andyham 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Looking back, maybe his choice to hype Doge wasnt so bad. Its a non-serious coin, that deserves to and is expected to be volatile. If Elon hype any other "real" coin, that would only get a short term boost, and possibly damage the reputation long term. The tweeting came off as quite childish behaviour, and potentially messed around with alot of newcomers` wallets, but overall it might have been the "right" coin to do it with at least.

[–]EarningsPal2K / 2K 🐢 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Doge was always a joke.

[–]thegooddocgonzoPlatinum | QC: CC 1301 | BANANO 21 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Absolutely this. His DOGE memeing can be very annoying as it has the potential to cast all of crypto in a bad light to people who aren’t already in the space. My hope has been that those who have entered due in part to Elon’s Twitter shenanigans will quickly learn how incredible crypto really is and stay, rather than being burned by a DOGE PnD and swearing it off forever.

[–]Revolutionary-Ad5832Tin 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Do you know how many of my friends know what crypto is because of DOGE?? I’d argue the DOGE movement was essential in pushing crypto towards mainstream.

[–]gnarlysheenPlatinum | QC: CC 27 | ADA 6 | Android 154 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From what I've gathered Doge is a joke. So if Elon tweets stupid shit about Doge it is possible he is just trying to have fun. Maybe these anti Elon shills are so hung up on his words that they just can't allow him to tweet something that makes him smile. Elon did not ask for the power of his Twitter it just happened.

[–]GrizNectar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have tons of friends who got in on doge and are now asking me questions about crypto in general. It’s a joke of a coin but does seem to be serving a valid role in terms of pushing crypto to the mainstream

[–]maolyxPlatinum | QC: CC 99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Intro crypto to ppl via doge. Get btc in the meantime. lol

[–]Eeji_Platinum | QC: CC 554, DOGE 46, BNB 42 | FOREX 16 | ExchSubs 42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

top 10 anime betrayals

[–]ThatOtherGuy25465K / 65K 🦈 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just wait, a Dogecoin purchase option is coming. /s

[–]cynical_americanoPlatinum | QC: DOGE 23 | r/SSB 16 | r/WSB 23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He also actually put his money in BTC (1.5b), whereas he has not (publicly) stated any purchase of doge.

[–]ZizzzzzyTin -2 points-1 points  (17 children)

He's all in on BTC and just using DOGE as the gateway crypto.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (14 children)

Oh so he's making money off BTC while fucking his followers over with DOGE? Lol, very respectable man

[–]saltyloadTin | LW critic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Elon says he is joking about Dodge. Straight up says it. People still buy the shit. Followers are fucking themselves

[–]gamerexq -1 points0 points  (12 children)

How is he fucking them with DOGE? A shitcoin that he mentions and people jump on it because he mention it? dafuq is this logic

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

You don't know how influencial people can, you know, influence people into stupid decisions?

[–]gamerexq 5 points6 points  (8 children)

| You don't know how influencial people can, you know, influence people into stupid decisions?

That is their fault tho, how is Elon at fault and 'fucking them for' for people making stupid decisions? Do you understand how dumb that sounds?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (7 children)

So you think scammers and people that run pyramid schemes aren't at fault? It's the dumb people believing it right? You don't understand how people in vulnerable positions or in a shit time in their life aren't easily influenced by a billionaire "genius"? Get real dude.

[–]gamerexq 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Isn't DYOR one of the most important things when it comes to crypto? Or am I in the wrong subreddit?

[–]Leon_Vance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would have been too crazy if Tesla had gone all in on DOGE.

[–]PainfullyemptyBronze 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Waiting for the news, Fiat paid to Tesla will be converted into Bitcoin : )

[–]IgneousMiraColePlatinum | QC: BTC 43, CC 24 | r/WSB 11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

[–]rickez3Tin 22 points23 points  (1 child)

That is insanely good for Bitcoin. The fact that they don't immediately convert them into fiat is a huge step for cryptocurrencies. If more big companies will follow, bitcoin will increase more and more in price, that is for sure.

[–]odix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you not see the downside of this publicity from a u.s. federal point of view?

[–]donceloTin 71 points72 points  (28 children)

Does this prove the theory of Nano developers that businesses are naturally incentivized to run their own nodes?

[–]InspectMoustache1K / 1K 🐢 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Nice catch, you are absolutely correct

[–]AmbitiousPhilosopher1 / 3K 🦠 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Indeed it does.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

God. This thing always has to get a mention.

[–]isthatrhetoricalSilver | QC: CC 971, CCMeta 51 | NANO 34 9 points10 points  (2 children)

🎶REDDIT SUCKS🎶
🎶SPEZ A CUCK🎶
🎶TOP MODS ARE ALL GAY🎶
🎶ADVERTISERS BENT YOU TO THEIR WILL🎶
🎶AND THE USERS FLED AWAY🎶

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Tesla won't accepting your coin any time soon. Let me dab away those salty tears. :-P

[–]isthatrhetoricalSilver | QC: CC 971, CCMeta 51 | NANO 34 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey I'm not all that interested in buying a Tesla anyway.

Please don't dab the salty tears away though, it's how I season my food :(

[–]LeapYearFriendPrivacy is paramount. 6 points7 points  (3 children)

yeah! stupid nano and their...

checks notes

...ability to solve the incredibly pervasive problems that nearly all major coins have!

fuck em!

[–]weisoseriousRedditor for 2 months. -1 points0 points  (2 children)

The difference is that a BTC node that is not a mining node has no say in anything on the network, it is not authoritative and does not publish blocks to the chain. It is just a relay for transactions to the miners, nothing more, and Telsa hosting their own server is not special. I have one too in my house.

Nano's nodes have terrible sybil protection, if that last spam event wasn't proof enough for you Nano shills that just can't resist saying something about Nano in every single fucking post in /cryptocurrency no matter how unrelated. Until Telsa is "incentivized" enough to actually accept Nano and run a node then no, it doesn't "prove" a damned thing.

[–]isthatrhetoricalSilver | QC: CC 971, CCMeta 51 | NANO 34 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So what you're saying is, there's no point in hosting a Bitcoin node?

Also how do you propose someone do a sybil attack on Nano? They can spin up all the nodes they want, but if nobody trusts them with their voting weight they'll never become PRs.

[–]taa_dowTin 42 points43 points  (9 children)

Nodes? He has been in btc a lot longer than the Saylor talk...

[–]nicoznicoSilver | QC: CC 325, ETH 94, XLM 54 | ADA 87 | TraderSubs 50 44 points45 points  (7 children)

Not Elon, but some Tesla engineering nerds operating that node deffo yes

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Shh, you might upset the Elon fanboys

[–]spawnxftw 27 points28 points  (3 children)

If Elon fanboys could read they would be very upset

[–]Ruzhyo04 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Lmao. Here have some moons. 1 to hodl 1 to pass on

[–]spawnxftw 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks kind stranger, first moons evah :D

[–]Ruzhyo04 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Won't be your last

[–]Jangochained258Tin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, he's Nakamoto so...

[–]Freeloader_0 / 4K 🦠 8 points9 points  (0 children)

the Love/Hate relationahip with Elon and this sub is strong

[–]BassDTin 13 points14 points  (2 children)

With their recent investment in BTC it would have surprised me if they would turn it into fiat, but still, good to hear this explicitly.

[–]EM0618 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I hope others will follow soon!

[–]BoGGy5m4ll5Platinum | QC: CC 29 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am just happy that he stopped with the dogecoin memes. It drops a bad light on crypto in general. I love what hes doing with BTC, just image when he comes out with infos about experimenting with ETH

[–]ragnarokfps 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well yeah, I thought this was kinda obvious. Why trade a Tesla car for cash when you could get bitcoin instead? Thats way better. It's not like Tesla needs cash anyway

[–]abarthsimpson 10 points11 points  (12 children)

So no taxes?

[–]red_beered 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Yes taxes, though just like with fiat they probably have ways of offsetting them like all big corps do.

[–]TheOfficialCal 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Payments in crypto is taxable as income for individuals. Might be different for Tesla, as it usually is for big corps.

[–]Andyham 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Since they are trading Teslas for Bitcoin, I belive they will have to pay the taxes in Teslas as well.

[–]lonewolf210Platinum | QC: CC 210 | Buttcoin 6 | Politics 171 2 points3 points  (3 children)

They have to pay taxes. The IRS requires that you record the fiat equivalent at the time of TX and pay taxes on that.

The buyer will also have pay taxes on the appreciation of their Bitcoin at time of sale.

The IRS basically treats it as you liquidating your Bitcoin to fiat and then making the purchase. From a taxes stand point there is no advantage for a US citizen to pay in BTC vs fiat beyond it being novel

[–]Xenu4uPlatinum | QC: CC 1213 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is great! BTC is being used as an actual currency! I really hope this leads to more companies/institutions doing the same.

Tax question, in the US would you still have to pay capital gains on this kind of purchase?

[–]AjaySarwanTin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why would they convert bitcoin into fiat which depreciates? The next thng would be tesla entering into contract with other foreign companies and pay them in bitcoin. That is how wide adoption is possible. Our shit coins will create some real worth too.

[–]herb2018Tin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What no Dogecoin support?

[–]sggts04[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shocking

[–]Chumbag_lovePlatinum | QC: CC 215, Kucoin 21 | Superstonk 564 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Alright, so do we like Elon or not like him? I'm so conflicted. Can I remain impartial, impressed with his career, skeptical about his motives, and disdained with his personality on occasion, but generally happy he is alive in my time period because he's a really interesting character?

[–]Monster_Chief17 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Smart money is stacking sats and you are still doubting the future of crypto...

[–]xanthinGold | QC: BTC 29 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Hopefully this is just the first step though. Next Tesla should start paying suppliers and salaries in Bitcoin as well.

[–]merfkvrf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's still way too early for that. 99.99% of employees and suppliers would be furious to receive payment in anything but USD. Most people still don't know exactly what crypto is, and most of the people who do don't seem to 100% understand it. Blockchain tech is still in its infancy, and NFT's are still a niche market. It's in the process of growing out of those stages, but we can't rush people in to using/understanding the tech - or we risk putting them off it altogether.

[–]ZougTheBestPlatinum | QC: CC 50, ETH 42 | NANO 7 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Let's say more and more people pay with BTC, how is Tesla going to pay his suppliers and taxes?

[–]dado3Platinum | QC: CC 981, ETC 29, ADA 115 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He'll issue equity or bonds to meet cashflow needs and retain the BTC just like Saylor does.

[–]IgneousMiraColePlatinum | QC: BTC 43, CC 24 | r/WSB 11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nothing’s stopping them from converting BTC into fiat when needed. The point of his comment is that they’re running their own wallets and managing their own addresses as opposed to using a custodial account and immediately converting to USD.

[–]ZougTheBestPlatinum | QC: CC 50, ETH 42 | NANO 7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh ok that's not what I understood when I first read it but it makes sense.

[–]lez_do_disPlatinum | QC: CC 27 2 points3 points  (12 children)

I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion, but dunno if I’d buy a Tesla with BTC. I’d rather save my BTC and spend my ever inflating fiat 😂

[–]sggts04[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Popular Opinion actually

[–]fati-abdTin | PersonalFinance 10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly why Tesla is accepting it too.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Watch Elon become the first Trillionaire

[–]turtle91Tin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

*Bitcoinaire

[–]DivineEu59K / 71K 🦈 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Strongest man Alive!

[–]GroundbreakingLack78Platinum | QC: CC 1416 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brocklon Lemusk himself.

[–]ferevon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

that's one strong ape

[–]SexualDeth5quadPlatinum | QC: CC 218, BTC 28 | Privacy 111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alan, can I mine Buttcoins with my Cyberduck?

[–]yogajoggingPlatinum | QC: CC 56, BNB 20 | NEO 6 | ExchSubs 20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Musk is not reliable. First he was backing DOGE, and then BTC

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way it should be. I never understood the point of a vendor accepting Bitcoin or anything else if he's just going to sell it instantly.

[–]redditnihilistTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so now we wait for another jump and we hope he doesn't change his opinion :D

[–]SafeRecommendation55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its a win win for him stablizing the value of bitcoin..not just because his company is a major hodler in this crypto...but if this goes to the moon we sure hell would buy tesla with btc..

[–]Alex_O7Tin 2 points3 points  (11 children)

I think this should be taken carefully. He did this for a reason that I don't think is solely due to be crypto enthusiasts. I think he mainly didn't transfer bitcoin into cash to not been taxed on that money and the possibility to consider that as a cost/exit for financial/balance reason (pardon if the words are not exactly correct English is not my first language and I didn't studied too much economics to know every words).

[–]zp73930854 - 5 years account age. 250 - 500 comment karma. 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It doesn’t work that way. They will still have to file taxes based on US dollars. Accepting BTC is no different from accepting foreign currency, still have to pay taxes on the profits.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Better than vendors who want to sell it instantly.

[–]microwavedave27Redditor for 3 months. 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The important question here is are they gonna pay tax on those bitcoins?

[–]AmbitiousPhilosopher1 / 3K 🦠 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you think?

[–]pistonianPlatinum | QC: XLM 28 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I agree - and since there is no conversion into USD, does the buyer bypass capital gains tax on that BTC?

[–]IgneousMiraColePlatinum | QC: BTC 43, CC 24 | r/WSB 11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exchange of value is all that’s needed for a taxable event. Everyone on all sides of the exchange are taxed. Tesla at the fair market value of the BTC at the time of the transaction minus the cost basis of the car and the buyer at the fair market value of the Tesla minus the cost basis of the BTC.

[–]odix 1 point2 points  (9 children)

You guys dont understand that Elon Musk is working with the federal government to destroy bitcoin and bring regulations. Ya'll can't even see it. I'm dead fucking serious.

[–]Orang3MangoTin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Actually makes sense. If they take payment but not convert back into fiat then they're not paying the tax on selling bitcoin for the profit or loss between when they take the payment and the sell price is. Thus causing the government to find another way to tax and regulate it.

[–]vladziaTin 0 points1 point  (6 children)

1 BTC = 1 Tesla soon™️

[–]xCryptoPandaxAnalyst 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It already is?

Model 3’s start at like 32k

[–]Eeji_Platinum | QC: CC 554, DOGE 46, BNB 42 | FOREX 16 | ExchSubs 42 4 points5 points  (1 child)

maybe op is using internet explorer

[–]xCryptoPandaxAnalyst 4 points5 points  (0 children)

IE: Hey guys! Bitcoin just crashed to 4K... and there’s a pandemic

[–]Interesting-Note-972 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Paying 2.5m doge for a Tesla would be siiiick

[–]Silversaving 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Much wow!

[–]ominous_anenome190K / 347K 🐋 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It'll be huge if they start discussing BTC during earnings and on financial reports

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is huge for adoption! Hate him or love him Musk is helping generate awareness

[–]elipticslipstickTin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is why Bitcoin isn’t an investment, it’s a shift to the new currency. There is no going back, only an in, as early and cheaply as possible.

[–]MurilloGTFTin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Huge step!!!

[–]thegooddocgonzoPlatinum | QC: CC 1301 | BANANO 21 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

I think this move, on top of the initial Tesla BTC investment, will help to earn back some of the goodwill Elon has lost in this sub due to all his Twitter shenanigans.

[–]MAMBAMENTALITY8-24Tin 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Dont think elon really cares what this sub thinks of him mate

[–]kane49 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes its his number one concern i imagine,

[–]lovetoclickTin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

[–]yaotardPlatinum | QC: CC 157 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yea tesla realizes fiat is trash, just keep shit in the cloud

[–]Eyesofthevalley4 - 5 years account age. 250 - 500 comment karma. -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Meaning non taxable events when accepting the coin.

[–]MrJDL71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He's taking them to Mars

[–]aRJei45Tin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

More BTC for Tesla, hooray!

[–]EarningsPal2K / 2K 🐢 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Company A: Sells services for USD

Company T: Sells services for BTC

Company T gains market share overtime because it can advertise more, pay for more R&D, afford better locations, etc.

Basically T can out invest A. A will be forced to collect BTC or risk becoming irrelevant.

At some point, CFOs will be required to have a BTC strategy.

[–]NightKingsBitchSilver | QC: CC 312, BTC 56, ETH 44 | CRO 31 | ExchSubs 31 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just wait until Elon announces bitcoin will be the official currency of Mars

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He hodl like a fellow 🦍💎🤚😉