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    [–]jhlee630 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    And yet the activity in daily is just too low how come man?

    [–]lascott086 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Seems like people be just scrolling look for posts rather than putting forward their views!

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      [–]kh5985 22 points23 points  (0 children)

      https://twitter.com/ropeium/status/1577513467120082945?s=46&t=kfAaH9WT8o8yz5UcaF4Kuw

      In case you wanted to credit the creator of the meme, I’ve linked it here

      [–]Chrissybebop45 88 points89 points  (39 children)

      I'm glad the absurdity of the situation is easily conveyed in visual form because god its brutal trying to argue with folks.

      [–]KhalCharizard 24 points25 points  (23 children)

      I generally agree, but I feel that the fiat pushers are far more absurd than this comic illustrates

      They only real benefit of paper money is when winter comes and it’s cheaper to burn cash than to buy gas…

      [–]newsflashjackass 21 points22 points  (21 children)

      The U.S. military can be considered the dollar's proof of work since without projected force more countries (besides Iran, Venezuela, and China) would sell oil for currencies other than USD and the dollar would stop being the de facto world trade currency.

      I wonder whether the U.S. military or bitcoin causes more pollution.

      [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (6 children)

      I can tell you with 100% certainty that the US military causes significantly more pollution.

      [–]daviguima 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Feels like you just can hear the inside me about to speak the same stuff which you have commented!

      [–]NiceGiraffes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      No. It's the bitcoin miners /s

      [–]fallfastasleep 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Just the ATMs in the US use more electricity than the global blockchain.

      Add banks & you're close to 10x

      Add all the databases, trade organizations, all the other useless-to-society financial institutions and Bitcoin isn't a penny compared to their dollar's worth of carbon waste.

      That's ignoring the fact that most mining is done with renewable energy or energy that would be wasted.

      Bitcoin could replace 90% of these institutions and the world would see a massive decrease in carbon production, that's why they're so scared and push such bullshit.

      Normal people don't care tho, the news articles that are paid off by these institutions are easier to believe.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      youre ignoring a significant fact though.

      Yes bitcoin uses less energy than the financial sector, but it serves considerable less people than the fincancial sector.

      per person/transaction, bitcoin uses way more energy.

      [–]Accomplished-Data177 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Confirmed #1 polluter

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        [–]Elesil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Are you for real? Bitcoin is going to be carbon negative saving planet. You are comparing world agresor to bitcoin? What are you?

        [–]TheSpaceMigration 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Just like Saddam Tried to do back in 1999, took their oil and started trading it for euros’ and made their county hundreds of millions of dollars just by timing the currency market properly …until the US MILITARY came along at least

        [–]shamelessplug32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        U.S. Military definitely likes to go POW!

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          [–]tulpval 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Fiat pushers lol, that even a term? First time I'm hearing that.

          I'm hearing this the first time and I don't know about that, but I'm definitely a btc pusher.

          [–]BeerIsGoodForSoul 9 points10 points  (5 children)

          I only use jet fuel to run my Bitcoin farm. Less regulation that way.

          [–]Gryphith 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          Leaded gasoline tastes better too.

          [–]lckystrz 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          They were buying and selling that was the whole business model for them.

          I mean that's the business that most cexes still do. That's what they still do here so there's that.

          [–]starskyyy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I always try to avoid the topic, it's always loaded with some persons random opinion based off of a news piece or something.

          [–]Zenb0y 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Just ask how much carbondioxide was sent out because of world war 1 and 2

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            [–]abiola2us -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            I don't really argue with those people, why would I do that?

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              [–]parishiIt0n 10 points11 points  (2 children)

              I liked how for a short period of time, maybe one week, the world became a little bit more aware of how the rich and famous use their private jets with no control

              [–]seraph9888 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              okay, lets say the world adopts bitcoin today. now the rich are still using private jets and we're wasting energy on bitcoin.

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                [–]sudo_guy 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                I was watching a movie called Blood Diamond. The entire movie shows the proof of work for mining diamond.

                [–]RallyBlinds 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Lol, calling that proof of work would be a little too much.

                [–]ciyilabdf 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                neva neva neva

                [–]FrostySausage 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                PUT DA BLOCKCHAIN ON TOPPA DA GRILL!

                [–]drewleok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                And put some sauce on it lol, that's how you like it huh?

                [–]joed_09 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Why what happened here? What are you about so dismissive?

                I ain't the one dismissive here, the movie is good but calling that proof of work would be too much.

                [–]micviegas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                What about them? Well they're are absurd and always been absurd.

                [–]Green_Damage_8453 17 points18 points  (7 children)

                Dont forget your silicon mines. Lithium mines. Gold is needed for processors. Copper mines. Im sure im forgetting something.. get off your high horse. We can see your ass

                [–]keastes 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                Silicon... Mines? Why would you mine it, it's course, and gritty, and gets everywhere

                [–]Mag_Plane_591 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                He means all the energy that goes into remelting sand , making it into thin wafers and add to it the ultra pure water that goes into finishing the wafers

                [–]keastes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Much of which can be reclaimed and reused

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                    [–]Mises2Peaces 7 points8 points  (7 children)

                    At least there's genuine scarcity in gold, unlike dollars.

                    [–]vinib12121 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    Everything is scarce, but that fucking thing can printed indefinitely.

                    [–]Koitenshin -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

                    Get a load of this moron, he thinks gold is actually scarce. Tell me, do you think diamonds are scarce too?

                    EDIT: For those who don't know, the items I mentioned aren't actually scarce. The companies that control the mines set the prices. Look up the De Beers Group sometime.

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                      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                      It’s funny if you think this is about paper, but even funnier if you think this makes it ok.

                      [–]RomanNiko 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                      Lmao, he doesn't think that it's about paper. you didn't get it.

                      [–]Inventi 40 points41 points  (24 children)

                      This sub has become an echo chamber for people who aren't willing to see the truth.

                      [–]jon34560 7 points8 points  (8 children)

                      What is the truth?

                      [–]sti-wrx 16 points17 points  (6 children)

                      well you aren’t going to find it in a Bitcoin subreddit I’ll tell you that much.

                      [–]Fakarie 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                      Then where will we find this truth?

                      [–]putyograsseson[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      in the future

                      [–]pawelcieplinski 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      Yeah exactly, where do we find it? I've looked everywhere already.

                      [–]-Liebesleid 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      Try checking other subreddits since all of them will be biased towards their topic. I feel it's better to see both Pro-something and anti-something arguments, than just reading one

                      [–]Fakarie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      After checking the other 3,499,999 subs I am left feeling confused and randy. Awaiting further instructions.

                      [–]Libman13 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

                      Where we should look for it then? Any idea about that huh?

                      [–]LordOfTrubbish 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                      I mean you aren't wrong, but I actually don't see anything wrong with this post? We could argue pros, cons, and potential solutions all day, but a system that knows it's dependent on infinite growth from a finite planet, is definitely the pot calling the kettle black when it accuses anyone else of destroying the planet with their ponzi regardless.

                      [–]wiaawiswlkl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      True though I am just indeed okay with that but the fact that you just need to understand the roots to get this post.

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                        [–]BashCo 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                        Without claiming that energy usage is inherently bad, or that Bitcoin in particular deserves drastically more scrutiny than other forms of energy usage, what is the oversimplification.

                        [–]Ppawelb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I don't think that much of energy is being consumed yeah it does but not that it would harm the cycle!

                        [–]starskyyy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        I rarely frequent here, if ever posting, and OP's post is very accurate. Expand on topic that is being subject to the 'echo chamber' so we can all better understand.

                        [–]cozzy000 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                        You're wrong, people in here can't even agree if Bitcoin is digital gold or money, they have debates and open discussion on stuff in here all the time, I would go so far as to say this is one of the only subs that isn't an echo chamber, I don't think anyone has been banned from this sub, I've been banned from other subs for just mentioning Bitcoin

                        Edit: cool just downvote me and don't give a rebuttal... Pffft and you say we are the echo chamber, how about having a discussion you pricks, also the fact that I'm getting downvoted and this guy with a different opinion gets upvoted proves this isn't an echo chamber lmfao

                        [–]pq0ykZqz7g 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        I'm not here to agree with you, I'll see myself and judge myself.

                        I think I can do it. I can listen to facts and see what's right and make up my mind about it.

                        [–]cozzy000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Good, I think you can do it too

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                            [–]Chronicles0122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            And what “Truth” is this my cryptic friend ?

                            [–]maro2909 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                            Okay then sir shed some light on that truth please for us.

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                              [–]mechaken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              There is still no ideal currency system. Each has advantages and disadvantages.

                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              I told a co worker I was in love with for the past 3 years that I mine Bitcoin and she responded “ohh I heard that uses a lot of energy”. And me, being mentally disabled replied “no it’s all good because the estimator factors in energy costs and you come out on top”

                              She doesn’t talk to me anymore.

                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              facts

                              [–][deleted]  (12 children)

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                                [–]SuperCryptoBr0 4 points5 points  (11 children)

                                THIS2

                                [–]MoonDogeXx 1 point2 points  (8 children)

                                This is

                                [–]Sea_Carrot1589 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                                THIS

                                [–]ElephantsAreHeavy 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                                This is a

                                [–]Upset-Location-6460 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                                This is it. Hee hee

                                [–]Sea_Carrot1589 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                This is it. Hee hee hoo

                                [–]OneContribution4458 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                Thisception

                                [–]Erebus-Alva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                Thisception x2

                                [–]Uberhipster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                thisisspartaaaaaaaaaaaaa

                                [–]giregam 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                THISx3

                                [–]Green_Damage_8453 11 points12 points  (49 children)

                                Doesnt mean its not. Both can be bad for the environment...

                                [–]Lewzer33 6 points7 points  (34 children)

                                But for the focus to be so clearly on bitcoin being bad for the environment when so many other worse offenders aren’t talked about in the same light is, excuse my French, total fucking bullshit.

                                [–]bkomito 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                Well you make perfect sense good sir, don't worry about that.

                                [–]nstutzman28 -2 points-1 points  (32 children)

                                There is a focus on cryptocurrencies because literally just processing transactions demand energy/CO2 emissions as large as entire countries! Let alone how the currency is spent. People probably spend dollars or crypto on carbon-emitting products in equal proportion, but at least sending a dollar doesn’t require a fuck ton of energy. All just for some make-believe currency that is going to fail eventually anyways

                                [–]tallreagan 8 points9 points  (8 children)

                                Tell me you don't understand shit without telling me... 1. Bitcoin transactions don't cost energy (a tiny tiny bit) 2. You think sending a dollar doesn't cost a fuck ton of energy and time? How naïef can you be? You think the computers banks and intermediates use don't need energy? The printers needs energy and paper, the money trucks need gas, the buildings need electricity, the atm's need electricity. Sending a dollar to the other side of the world takes days and yes a fuck ton of energy, come on, open your eyes. 3. make-believe currency that is going to fail... If Bitcoin is make believe then the dollar is even more make believe. Please go read what money actually is... Of course Bitcoin is going to fail eventually, in a couple of hundred years something better will be invented. But in the meantime, it didnt fail at 100 bucks, it didnt fail at 3000 bucks and it didnt fail at 60k. It got better, developers improved the code, more people are using it, more miners are securing it. Please get your head out of your ass.

                                [–]s_ov71 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                                I don't think very many people understand how things work here.

                                [–]peleva11 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                But they indeed need to know and realize or else lately things would get hard enough for them.

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                                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                  per transaction, bitcoin is def worse than the financial sector (due to its relatively lower volume of transactions).

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                                    [–]SilverSats 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                                    Bitcoin. Just buy some in case this crypto thing sticks! It's on sale right now

                                    [–]tradersg3000 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                    Yeah it's on sale and you better be buying right now.

                                    [–]sheepledipz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                    There is an optimist for you, we are not alone wish I would have stuck to that about ten years ago!

                                    [–]coolbitcoins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                    This is all going to fine boys, just don't really worry about it.

                                    [–]Lewzer33 1 point2 points  (16 children)

                                    So, no worries about the energy consumption necessary to keep a digital currency like the dollar operating? Great.

                                    [–]nstutzman28 1 point2 points  (9 children)

                                    Dollar transactions don’t require dozens of processors attempting to solve nearly impossible math puzzles (that only get even harder to solve) in order to verify them. All thats needed with regular currency are verified credentials. If you don’t understand this about cryptocurrency, maybe you shouldn’t be ‘investing’ in it.

                                    [–]gvictor808 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                                    Incorrect. Vast majority of USD transactions require dozens of processors, energy, resources, etc. Go look at your bank and credit card statements.

                                    [–]Lolek283 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                    There's no way that it consume less energy than the btc does actually.

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                                      [–]Wanderson90 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                                      Lol there is no USD without the war machine, USD is backed by innocent lives. There's no way around this. No energy consumption in the world can come close to the many pronged cogs needed to keep USD as the world reserve currency, the military industrial complex is just one of those prongs.

                                      [–]nstutzman28 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                      I hate the US just as much as the next globally-minded thinker, but completing a transaction using a dollar (or hell even a stable foreign currency) does not prop up (or harm) the US at all. Its just a transaction. And you’re far off-base by not recognizing the devastating impact climate change will have on the world’s poorest. Crops will fail, settlements will be destroyed, ecosystems will fail, people will die of heat, populations will migrate and fight each other for resources. Meanwhile people in rich countries will just install bigger AC units and build taller walls.

                                      [–]CINOTIB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                      I don't hate them, I just think what they've done isn't really good.

                                      I mean they've essentially got the monopoly over everything. And that's not good for others I don't think.

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                                          [–]altaccount1943 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

                                          Lots of people worry about the energy used to maintain the dollar, especially banks. But hundreds of millions of people rely on the dollar, almost no one relies on bitcoin. That’s why the dollar’s energy usage is more acceptable, it’s actually necessary

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                                            [–]alievr -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                            If you're going to use something then it'll use energy.

                                            Now it depends on you whether you value the utility that it brings or not, your pov will depend on that.

                                            [–]Shrimp_Chimichanga 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                                            Farts are bad for the environment.

                                            [–]3mo3bod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                            Okay then, I guess I'll have to stop farting now, for the environment.

                                            [–]jp90230 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                            Humans are worst for environment. Now, we have 4 times more humans than we had 100 years ago, we are doomed.

                                            [–]sheepledipz -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                            I am guessing they will have some tax we will pay based on our weight for the amount of crap and farts we produce annually.

                                            [–]dbudlov -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

                                            Doesn't mean it's not good for the environment either

                                            Fiat is the war standard and very little is worse for the environment than war, although to be truly fair here bad is subjective anyway, some people destroy the environment through support for traffic lights or Christmas lights etc etc

                                            [–]Occoinmining -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                            Lmfao, some people destroy the environment by traffic lights?

                                            What the hell you're even smoking? That just doesn't make any fucking sense lmao.

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                                                [–]ThirdHuman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                I don’t get it. Electricity use per transaction is lower with fiat.

                                                [–]hellotyuiop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                But the blockchain uses more energy than a small country

                                                [–]mikebailey 3 points4 points  (6 children)

                                                Listen I don’t hate Bitcoin, but show USD volume vs BTC volume next to this meme.

                                                As for the people saying “it’s ok just ignore the fiat idiots”, do people not care about adoption? A decentralized adoption needs adoption for strength.

                                                [–]wiltran1989 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                Fair enough, but that wouldn't really be fair. Would it?

                                                Atleast I don't think so, and I don't know what you wanna say about it here. It is what it is.

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                                                  [–]Motionslickness08 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                                                  Okay yeah the government is not helping the environment, especially when they stripped the EPA of literally any power to enforce their rules, but Bitcoin mining is still super energy hungry.

                                                  [–]erm1981 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                  Is that Biden up there?

                                                  [–]mooij74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                  Damn right, that's who it is. You're right about it really man.

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                                                    [–]altaccount1943 3 points4 points  (10 children)

                                                    Bitcoin uses less energy because way way less people use it than the financial system and bitcoin does less than the financial system

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                                                      [–]Gryphith 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                                                      Exactly, its how most businesses conduct their processing right now. When you go and use your credit card wherever, the transaction doesn't happen right away other than a check on if funds are available. Everything gets batched at closing time. Banks are even keen on structuring usage to incur higher overdraft fees. The 3-5 business days to complete a transaction is only there so they can fuck you over as hard as they can. Like hell the fiat system needs 3-5 days right now, it COULD be instant but its not so they can make more money.

                                                      They can remove funds from your account instantly, but a charge back or reimbursement? Best I can do is two weeks.

                                                      [–]thorosaurus 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                      The legacy monetary system is insanely heavy compared to blockchain. It's clunkier than a model T

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                                                            [–]Floridaman__________ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                            Not just natural gas but methane which is one of the worst greenhouse gasses.

                                                            https://open.spotify.com/episode/3gH72as74L2h0axWl1ftks?si=v9XO0DthSVWGOmvnEG4QFw

                                                            [–]Uberhipster -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                                            a BTC realist

                                                            wtf is this tshi now?

                                                            who tf is coming up with all these pigeon hole labels?

                                                            are you in or out - that's all i am interested in

                                                            putting an '-ist' suffix on a $10 word does not make you sound more sophisticated

                                                            it just makes you sound like you dont know wtf you are talking about and you're disguising with fancy language

                                                            in or out

                                                            get on the train, get off the train

                                                            dont feed me "realist" horse manure while telling me it's a soufflé

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                                                              [–]Think_Operation310 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                                                              lol, toiletpaper.

                                                              [–]_WhiteSnake_ 2 points3 points  (6 children)

                                                              This tells us a lot about society 🤠

                                                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                                                              You people do understand that the most dollars are digital only, right?

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                                                                [–]voqka35 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                It's not that difficult if you think about it, it's probably doable.

                                                                I think it's doable I don't know about you guys but I think I could do it. Can do it easily

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                                                                    [–]JacobWesleyMartin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                    THIS

                                                                    [–]kzenok123 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                                                    Hodl. This is the way

                                                                    [–]External-Land-9545 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                    I have spoken.

                                                                    [–]VBproffi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                    always been the way, it's time that more people saw this now.

                                                                    [–]afternooncrypto 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                    Mining Bitcoin using a solar farm, hydroelectricity, wind turbines etc fixed this. Get your energy from a renewable provider then there is no argument would also be beneficial in counties where winter is 0° because you can use the excess heat as heating.

                                                                    Heck get solar panels on your roof if you can afford it.

                                                                    [–]Drfilthymcnasty 0 points1 point  (41 children)

                                                                    I love the “bitcoin mining is bad for the environment” crowd. The look of confusion on their face when you explain bitcoin mining has little to no effect on the environment it is actually the way we produce energy that does. Then agree with them that we need to find environmentally better ways to produce energy and watch the wheels in their head start to turn.

                                                                    [–]Mr_Stirfry 16 points17 points  (32 children)

                                                                    That’s an absolutely idiotic argument. Using that logic, eating five pints of ice cream a day has little to no effect on your weight, it’s the way your body processes the ice cream that makes you fat, right?

                                                                    [–]haggess 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                                                    Well that's what people make here, they make these arguments.

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                                                                      [–]Mr_Stirfry 19 points20 points  (11 children)

                                                                      Sure, but it’s still silly to pretend Bitcoin mining has “little to no effect on the environment” by passing the buck to energy production methods. If you said leaving your air conditioner running 24/7 has no effect on the environment because it’s actually the way we produce energy that does, people would rightfully roll their eyes at you.

                                                                      [–]yGx0Z 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                                                                      Yeah it has effect but it's nowhere close to what those people claim.

                                                                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                      .. you do realize it has a higher co2 footprint than the netherlands, while using way more energy per transaction than the traditional finsec ?

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                                                                        [–]kwanijml -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                                                        Great, so like me, you support the solution to bitcoin mining's harms being handled the same way that we should handle all other activities which cause harm by emitting C02: a carbon tax.

                                                                        And then you would let the chips fall where they may, right?

                                                                        If your answer is no, then you are clearly not being honest and just using the energy use/C02 emissions issue as a kludge to try to sway people against bitcoin for your own ulterior motives.

                                                                        [–]MattDaManiac 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                        That's correct I guess, you guys know what you're talking about.

                                                                        [–]Drfilthymcnasty -1 points0 points  (13 children)

                                                                        Your metaphor is shit. The more calories you eat the more weight you will gain. Energy production is ever evolving. Nuclear power can produce a tremendous amount of clean energy, and if we can find out fusion it’s a game changer.

                                                                        [–]Mr_Stirfry 4 points5 points  (11 children)

                                                                        OK so if I turn on every appliance in my house, and leave them on all day and night, that’s not harming the environment?

                                                                        [–]Drfilthymcnasty 4 points5 points  (9 children)

                                                                        It depends on how you power them. If you are using solar, wind, or hydroelectric then no.

                                                                        [–]No-Net-8237 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                                                                        This is just an idiotic argument. You don't typically choose where your power comes from. It's all a finite resource. You must know this is stupid...

                                                                        [–]mpivko 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                        Yep, this is pretty stupid argument and I can't stand it lmao.

                                                                        How do people even come up with these arguments? I can't even come up with one here.

                                                                        [–]Gryphith -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                                                        You can choose to put solar panels on your house, lease out land for a windmill or build one yourself, if you're on a body of water or the coast you can utilize waves to make energy. Just because YOU can't make your own electricity doesn't mean others aren't.

                                                                        [–]No-Net-8237 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                        No others aren't. I can choose to put up solar panels to run my fridge. But I don't. Just like you haven't put up solar panels to run your mining rig. You think people trying to make a quick buck are going to put in the expense to install solar. No, they will go with what's easy. The argument is just nonsense.

                                                                        [–]Mr_Stirfry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                        Right, so in your hypothetical world where everything is powered by solar, wind or water, Bitcoin mining wouldn’t harm the environment.

                                                                        But in the world we actually live in, that’s not how we get all our power. So as long as we’re living in that reality, Bitcoin mining is harming the environment.

                                                                        [–]mikebailey -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                                                        Are you of the opinion people wouldn’t be moving to clean energy without BTC and that BTC farms are just doing it out of their collective hearts?

                                                                        [–]OleG15rus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                                        That's not all of it, but surely it's a part of it. This is the part.

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                                                                                [–]kwanijml 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                                I've never seen any wheels turn in their heads....they just [angry NPC face] and downvote, with no response.

                                                                                I've been challenging every "bitcoin mining is killing the environment" person for years, to explain to me why I should believe that they care about the environment, rather than just hate bitcoin and want to dictate what everyone else should value, by asking them why we shouldn't just have a carbon tax on all C02-emmitting energy uses, and then let the chips fall where they may. They'll fall back on how nobody "needs" bitcoin and it's just gambling or entertainment anyways...at which point I challenge them to show me then, where they have been calling for gambling or sporting events, or any other mere entertainment which uses fossil fuel-burning energy, to be banned.

                                                                                I still have not gotten anything resembling a rational or thought-out response from a single person, including some otherwise very smart economists who I know.

                                                                                A lot of people just irrationally hate bitcoin (or they rationally hate it, because they know it challenges legacy, statist systems in one way or another), and the environmental angle is nothing but the perfect ruse to get the stupid masses to get angry at something they don't understand. And even so many "bitcoiners" fall for this nonsense too.

                                                                                Every bitcoiner needs to understand this: the "bitcoin is killing the environment" thing is not a legitimate argument against bitcoin or proof of work, in the slightest, and never will be.

                                                                                [–]Shiz_ON 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                Their arguments are mostly flawed that's why I don't pay attention.

                                                                                [–]roninspace -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

                                                                                Exactly, and "using energy" is a good thing, it historically has improved our quality of life. We fly instead of sail across the ocean, and most people have no problem with that.

                                                                                [–]kwanijml 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                                The eco-fascism is strong even among bitcoiners. It is a religion, masquerading as a science-based viewpoint.

                                                                                People are so ignorant of how much a greater energy density benefits us...not just in standard quality of life measures, but specifically in our ability to adapt to changing climate, and to have the expendable wealth to preserve ecosystems.

                                                                                The more energy dense we are, the more we produce with less (look up "dematerialization", as one example of how that works).

                                                                                The eco-fascists are the reason why countries like the u.s. are still burning fossil fuels at all instead of being fully nuclearized.

                                                                                [–]bsham84 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                Even this take is shit lol, why people why? What's happening here?

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                                                                                  [–]GotThaAcid5tab 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                                  Shame 98% of Reddit seems to hold this opinion

                                                                                  [–]hcflight -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  That's a problem, people don't wanna see the truth man.

                                                                                  [–]smexibuddah -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                                                                  Capitalism is killing the planet and Crypto mining definitely isn’t helping

                                                                                  [–]Sea_Carrot1589 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

                                                                                  this drawing did not include all the mining farms, so..

                                                                                  [–]arcrad 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                                                                                  GPU

                                                                                  Lol

                                                                                  [–]OfWhomIAmChief 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                                                                                  No ones been GPU mining Bitcoin for over 9 years now, that other coin that did just merged to POS and any other coin worth their salt are CPU mined

                                                                                  [–]Sea_Carrot1589 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                  i did not mean the latest BTC mining, i did make a mistake by only saying GPU, but all the devices used for BTC mining history from 2009 and the power they used, include CPU, GPU, FPGA, ASIC, as most ended up in landfill as e-waste, is bad for the environment.

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                                                                                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                                                                                    GPU

                                                                                    sure bud

                                                                                    [–]bob4yyy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                                                                                    He doesn't know what he's talking about, he doesn't know shit.

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                                                                                      [–]JulioCamposy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      Remember to use your silicon mines.

                                                                                      [–]rainingcrypto 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                                                                      Printing this out and putting it on my desk at work. Thanks op.

                                                                                      [–]Darkc0iL 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      Where are the GPUs and ASICs tho?

                                                                                      [–]LeoncioNieto 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      This reveals a great deal about society.

                                                                                      [–]bkitchen0406 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      Yeah that's what it reveals, okay what's that great deal anyways.

                                                                                      [–]AssistantForsaken258 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      This is now my wallpaper

                                                                                      [–]Californianos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      👽

                                                                                      [–]Conscious-Break2193 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      damn greedy politician! Bitcoin change lives!

                                                                                      [–]jtatf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                                                                      And that's exactly what they don't want, don't you understand?

                                                                                      That's something that they don't really want for us. They don't want our lives to change now.

                                                                                      [–]FillupDubya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      Yeah it is! Killing it real good 😈

                                                                                      [–]LenguaVenenosa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      Isn’t that the truth.

                                                                                      [–]Neat-Disk-4940 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      5

                                                                                      [–]starskyyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      this is fantastic

                                                                                      [–]Dramatic-Wedding527 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      They are scared of what is coming, they thought they would have control once and for all. But of course someone invented something that just unravels the whole deal. The only way to put the genie back in the bottle now is to completely get rid of math

                                                                                      [–]access1006 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      How I wish I can learn how to trade or invest in Bitcoin

                                                                                      [–]_uface_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      This is a easy learning, buy btc and Hodl

                                                                                      [–]xavier_mamba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      This one goes to the "sad but true" shelf

                                                                                      [–]qqklg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      lmao

                                                                                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      SoWoke

                                                                                      [–]Ok-Regular-302 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                                                                      Banks likes to blame everyone else for the problems they are responsible for

                                                                                      [–]ElizabethMorrisy -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                                                                      I adore those who argue that mining bitcoins harms the environment.

                                                                                      [–]mokicruz -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                                                                                      Has anyone used cryptofullex /profile/deposit?

                                                                                      [–]LourdesGuerrero -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                                                                      How much does an hour of my Reddit tinkering use?

                                                                                      [–]thats_just_right 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      This is good, but if it could depict all the banks, credit card processing centers, fed office, petro-dollar and other energy consuming infrastructure under all that money compared to the ASICs on the Bitcoin side I would like it even more.

                                                                                      [–]jeabarnez 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      Keep in mind the gold mines

                                                                                      [–]siimmmonn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                                                                                      Hahahaha, this!

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