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[–]pncoecomm 1570 points1571 points  (79 children)

that brain chip looking really hot rn

[–]Giant_Eagle_Airlines 372 points373 points  (19 children)

Nah that’s just the circuitry shorting into the meaty flesh

[–]Massive-Albatross-16 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Elon launches product with a promise that you can live like a Kennedy

Rosemary Kennedy

[–]Hand-Picked-Anus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Honestly, not many Kennedys had great luck overall.

[–]EmperorKira 70 points71 points  (7 children)

Speedrun into SAO

[–]Vineyard_ 64 points65 points  (5 children)

Except since it's Musk, it'll kill you unless you die in the game.

(Thinking about it, that'd be a hilariously morbid parody.)

[–]bhl88 31 points32 points  (3 children)

"What?"

"......" shows a clip of Scanners

"Omg if we die in the game we die- wait why is my wallet disappearing?"

[–]TheNH813 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah, one of the most amusing abridged series.

[–]JackedUpReadyToGo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"I'm just gonna keep that tab open..."

[–]MoreGull 169 points170 points  (42 children)

What could go wrong with giving Musk direct access to your brain?

[–]sci-fi-eye 63 points64 points  (7 children)

Pay to think DLC incoming

[–]skeetsauce 45 points46 points  (3 children)

Pay 0.5BTC to make the Rickroll stop. Send HERE

[–]theaviationhistorian 12 points13 points  (2 children)

This is how you create insane berserkers.

[–]VindictiveJudge 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The real reason behind cyberpsychosis.

[–]2games1life 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nordics rejoice

[–]Who_DaFuc_Asked 12 points13 points  (1 child)

"YOU HAVE FAILED TO PAY YOUR WEEKLY 15 ELONCOIN (equivalent to US $17500) RIGHT-TO-LIVE PAYMENT. YOUR LIFE WILL BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY"

person drops dead after begging for their life for 4 seconds

[–]james_d_rustles 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ugh, the haters just don’t understand. This is just the beta version! Users have to sign a waiver, and this is just a small tradeoff for the massive improvements that are totally gonna be released next year according to Musk. Yeah, it gets a little annoying when it suddenly tries to kill you every few hours, but once they fix these little bugs you guys are gonna be super jealous that you didn’t buy one earlier.

[–]Fun-Background-9622 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And for a small fee, they will change your mind...

[–]6byfour 104 points105 points  (22 children)

Can you fucking imagine anyone thinking this is a good idea?

[–]MoreGull 68 points69 points  (9 children)

Right? But then I read the news every day and realize, "Probably tens of millions of people"...

[–]sephelutis 40 points41 points  (6 children)

Imagine every piece of scifi media screaming that is a bad idea and still gets indoctrinated into it….

[–]Malacon 70 points71 points  (4 children)

Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale

Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus

[–]CompuHacker 21 points22 points  (0 children)

From the books:

... Eventually she had to tip the bowl up and pour the blue mesh into her palm. It was very light. Something about it stirred a vague memory in her, but she couldn't recall what it was. She asked the ship what it was, via her neural lace.

~ That is a neural lace, it informed her. ~ A more exquisite and economical method of torturing creatures such as yourself has yet to be invented.

She gulped, quivered again and nearly dropped the thing.

~ Really? she sent, and tried to sound breezy. ~ Ha. I'd never really thought of it that way.

~ It is not generally a use much emphasised.

Excession, Iain M. Banks, 1996

[–]MoreGull 4 points5 points  (1 child)

... For therapeutic purposes...

[–]Mikeavelli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the Culture books the neural lace really is typically used for productive purposes. I dont remember that specific exchange, but from what I remember of Excession that's probably the ship fucking with her.

The elaborate torture stuff is all in Surface Detail.

[–]craig_hoxton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The London's Standard newspaper (around 2007) wrote an article once about the many surveillance cameras surrounding what was George Orwell's house...

[–]Chiraq_eats 41 points42 points  (1 child)

At least 30% of the World's population are braindead shitheads. That's the number one lesson the pandemic taught us.

[–]EffectiveMoment67 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That was a pretty fucking sobering experience. If wasnt so wrecked with apathy Id be a full blown prepper right now

[–]walterjohnhunt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No. But if I had the chip, I'm sure I'd think it was a great idea.

[–]tkp14 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Oh his fanboys are going to go for it.

[–]DoomOne 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I can picture it now.

Baz is having a seizure. Again. He's bitten off his lower lip, so that makes the pair of them gone.

As he craters into the floor, his mom hears the commotion and rushes downstairs. She sees that the exterior port on his "AnalTrobe 69420" is shooting green sparks. Shrieking in terror, she grabs the phone to call 911.

Baz, with tremendous effort, screams, "N-Nno, mom, you d-dumb bAAAGLGH! Mmmmmusk says t-this is jus-tzt a calibrat... cali... I'LL GET USED TO IT-"

[–]Numinar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Plenty of reply guys every time you mention the apartheid baby. It’s going to be so fun watching them lobotomise themselves.

[–]pncoecomm 37 points38 points  (3 children)

yeah imagine an army of brainwashed Musk-like army... wait... maybe this is already in place. how do you know someone has a Tesla? they will tell you, and tell you, and tell you

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It might be the first medical procedure that actually gives you autism

[–]Coolbeanschilly 15 points16 points  (1 child)

ALL HAIL THE OMNISSIAH!

[–]PokemonSapphire 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I crave the purity of silica.

[–]messagepad2100 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Monkey brains overheated - I expect the same for humans.

[–]chubbybronco 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Side effects may include compulsive awkward dancing and excessive breeding.

[–]Old_Ladies 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Don't want to get vaccinated for fear of microchips. Musk fan lines up to have a literal microchip in their brain.

Stolen from

[–]MilfagardVonBangin 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I’d bet my amygdala that the people who volunteer for tests will have already paid for the blue tick.

[–]VegasKL 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Elon being attached to Neuralink makes it so unappealing. Would anyone who isn't a right-wing parrot trust that guy with putting something in your head?

I wouldn't even trust him with putting it in my dog's head, last thing I want is him finding Fox News and thinking it's an Animal Planet spin off.

[–]pncoecomm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It sounds like a bad episode of black mirror

[–]buttfunfor_everyone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just make sure you see a good ripperdoc… some of those dudes have been known to phone it in and tend to botch even the simplest of dermal implants

[–]throwaway_ghast 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It wouldn't surprise me if it ever came out that Musk tested a brain chip on himself and that's how he became so unhinged in recent years.

[–]bluuuuurn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jonesing for that onstage demo by Musk

[–]B1-vantage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Elon could shut down the negative comments if everyone had one of his brain chips.

[–]PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD 1168 points1169 points  (34 children)

Let me guess: Any mentions of all this on twitter just somehow don't get any views or traction?

[–]thotdistroyer 467 points468 points  (3 children)

This is a 2 day old story.

Musk is no better then Murdoch.

The machine works tirelessly...

[–]Nageef 104 points105 points  (0 children)

I’m sure the fanbots would swarm any post about it with Elon dickriding bullshit

[–]catalinagreen 576 points577 points  (41 children)

All of this and your gonna let this guy put something in your brain? Good luck with that.

[–]Champagne_of_piss 196 points197 points  (2 children)

A lotta people already let him put bullshit into their brains

[–]blackmetronome 113 points114 points  (17 children)

People are fucking stupid.

[–]Stabbymcbackstab 67 points68 points  (14 children)

Yes. It's perfect timing that he just got FDA approval to test on humans for his implant.

And people think this is the future. How bleak do we need to be to accept that?

[–]CharleyNobody 39 points40 points  (2 children)

He “says” he has FDA approval. But he’s said that before and it wasn’t true. Is it true this time? Has the FDA announced it approved Neuralink to be implanted in humans? So far, I’ve haven’t read an FDA announcement ok’ing the implants in humans. Just Musk’s Neuralink announced it and with his history, why are people believing Musk without checking with the FDA?

[–]Old_Ladies 42 points43 points  (3 children)

I don't trust the previous tests. Last I read they killed 6 monkeys in trials. Just did a Google search and now some people are claiming that they have killed over 1500 animals in trials.

Apparently it is standard practice to kill the animal after trial to examine them for research purposes.

[–]mossti 23 points24 points  (0 children)

It really depends on the sort of trial. There are research groups that work with monkeys that have permanent neural ports, and those monkeys typically get used for lots and lots of studies until being retired, often to sanctuaries. Those are typically for studying functional tasks, like brain control interfaces. For studying neurochemistry/neuromedicine, it is often common to euthanize the animal afterwards to collect data from dissection. Generally speaking, decoding (and encoding) thoughts is still a technology in its infancy, and if anyone offers you to participate in a research trial for a surgically implanted neural interface where the goal is the transmission of "thoughts", I would encourage you to decline and report them. Neural interfaces which decode motor signals are much better established at this point, and are in somewhat rare use for the highest tier of prosthetics.

[–]NineNewVegetables 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Apparently it is standard practice to kill the animal after trial to examine them for research purposes.

This is pretty believable to me, though unfortunate: there's lots of information that can't be found on lab results and non-invasive imaging such as MRI and CT. To properly study the results of certain implants and medications, it is often necessary to kill the animal test subject in order to perform an autopsy and better understand the effects of the treatment. I wish we had better ways of studying these things, but the simple fact is that we don't, and that a lot of modern medicine is built on the back of practices like this.

[–]MagicMuskrat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly.

[–]OkSeason973 1633 points1634 points  (143 children)

I can’t believe a guy who is an unhinged troll on twitter would produce cars with thousands of safety concerns /s

[–]hypercomms2001 480 points481 points  (93 children)

It makes you wonder how safe the astronauts may feel about flying on his spaceship to the moon

[–]Intrepid_Objective28 43 points44 points  (2 children)

They’re pretty safe until one of them says something slightly bad about Elon and gets called a pedo in return, and then the government has to organize a rescue mission after Elon refuses to take them back to earth.

[–]DeviousSmile85 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Using a submarine for a tight quarter cave rescue. No wonder they all laughed at him.

[–]Tagihi 22 points23 points  (0 children)

They’re pretty safe until one of them says something slightly bad about Elon and gets called a pedo in return

Not something "slightly bad" just something that is honest.

[–]dkah41 19 points20 points  (7 children)

It makes you wonder how safe the astronauts may feel about flying on his spaceship to the moon

Not supporting Musk, but I'd argue that's a whole different ballgame. It's spaceflight, something that we're still in the early stages of figuring out as an industry - all astronauts know you're putting your life on the line every time you attempt it no matter how 'safe' it is.

Automobiles, on the other hand, have been a regulated industry for decades. There's a much higher expectation that if you get in a car it's safe, vs a still-in-testing space shuttle.

[–]3v0lut10n 8 points9 points  (6 children)

And i imagine this isn’t really news. All manufactures most likely have similar complaints that aren’t public.

[–]skyspydude1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can tell you that, with experience working for both OEMs and suppliers, if I ever found a serious issue, I sure as hell wasn't instructed to keep everything verbal and minimize the paper trail. At worst we were told to be cognizant of the type of language we use when reporting issues, so as to not potentially make a mountain out of a molehill, but even what were pretty minor issues were taken incredibly seriously until they were proven to be resolved or non-issues.

[–]hypercomms2001 18 points19 points  (3 children)

John Glenn once said...

"As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder."

... and then there is Elon Musk.. the next level of cheapskate....

[–]Nonthares 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Falcon 9 Block 5 has flown 171 missions, all of which were successful. For context, the space shuttle did 135 missions. Sure Falcon 9 isnt taking people to the moon, but it does take people to the ISS, and SpaceX has a really good track record. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This account was deleted in protest

[–]OkSeason973 22 points23 points  (9 children)

Yeah for real, I wouldn’t even want to be on the ground in one of Elon’s contraptions let alone outer space.

[–]Vinura 29 points30 points  (5 children)

You should read the story about how he wanted touch screens for everything inside the crew model because he thought it looked cool.

[–]goatasaurusrex 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I mean, it does look cool. Star trek interfaces were all touch screen.

But the characters in star trek weren't wearing bulky gloves.

[–]Habaneroe12 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It might have been cool on Steve Jobs yacht, prolly where he got the idea. Not original

[–]Deadfishfarm 1 point2 points  (2 children)

As safe as can be expected when flying into space, I assume. Space x is very successful with their launches. A ride up with falcon 9 is statistically safer than nasa's shuttle

[–]Jebus_UK 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Wait till he starts putting chips on people's brains

[–]autotldrBOT 284 points285 points  (21 children)

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)


Tesla has failed to adequately protect data from customers, employees and business partners and has received thousands of customer complaints regarding the carmaker's driver assistance system, Germany's Handelsblatt has reported, citing 100 gigabytes of confidential data leaked by a whistleblower.

The Handelsblatt report said customer data could be found "In abundance" in a data set labelled "Tesla Files".

The data protection watchdog for the Netherlands said on Friday it was aware of possible Tesla data protection breaches.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Tesla#1 data#2 customer#3 employee#4 Handelsblatt#5

[–]BazilBroketail 303 points304 points  (18 children)

Has anyone protected personal data in America? Like, ever?

It's all about getting in my pockets nowadays...

[–]Davego 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Until there are legal protections and substantial consequences for gathering, storing, and then losing critical personal data this will continue to happen.

Like contraceptives, the only 100% effective solutions is abstinence; don't collect the data in the first place.

[–]Jollyjacktar 18 points19 points  (2 children)

It seems like every few months I get a notice from some company or another saying that their network was breached and customers’ data taken, but don’t worry because they take their customers’ privacy “seriously”.

[–]JohnHazardWandering 89 points90 points  (12 children)

Only if the company collecting the data is a Chinese company. Totally cool if American companies collect data.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And then it’s perfectly cool if the American company then sells that data to the Chinese company. See, our values say someone has to make a buck first.

[–]Disastroustart412 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Remember that the recordings of the camera are not private but employee share funny Clips they discover.

[–]Miss_Speller 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Tesla was not available for comment on Friday.

I wonder if they got a poop emoji in response to their questions?

[–]SonicMTD 41 points42 points  (0 children)

To quote Casablanca:

“I’m shocked. SHOCKED! To find that gambling is going on in here.”

“your winnings sir…”

[–]OkSeason973 343 points344 points  (210 children)

It must suck to be a Tesla owner.

[–]Fellhuhn 276 points277 points  (42 children)

Remember that the recordings of the camera are not private but employee share funny Clips they discover. And if you think about what people do in their car a bit it becomes a bit awkward.

[–]Habaneroe12 101 points102 points  (21 children)

Holy crap I never thought about that! And yes I have done hanky panky (SORRY CONSENSUAL ACTS OF PASSION) in cars too.

[–]Other_World 81 points82 points  (5 children)

And I was doing it before I turned 18, but 1995 Honda Accords didn't have cameras. Now, I'm sure there's some yuppie family that bought young Brayden a Tesla too. Nothing like spreading some illegal content through your company.

[–]Habaneroe12 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Jesus it gets worse even, thanks for your input

[–]FraseraSpeciosa 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Well Musk is a confirmed pedo so horrifically it all makes sense

[–]walterjohnhunt 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Sorry Consensual Acts of Passion?
Sounds like my honeymoon...

[–]Habaneroe12 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I put that back in there for a reason, because my usage of the term hanky panky had someone here accuse me of rape because trump used that term. I’m an old guy using an old term and now I’m a rapist

[–]Ok-ButterscotchBabe 2 points3 points  (3 children)

People are stupid, and half the site are used by 15 year olds.

[–]Habaneroe12 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Thanks for this. You have no idea how I am perplexed by this. Never feared the mob until now. Old guys need be very careful. Might rape just offhand. Might create white guy genocide. Maybe just a little bit genocide, part time? It’s just the white guy thing. And

[–]JukeBoxDildo 9 points10 points  (5 children)

This guy fucks

[–]Habaneroe12 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I'll take that as a compliment. TY

And they even come back for more.

[–]JukeBoxDildo 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Lol. It's a reference from the show Silicon Valley. Highly, highly recommend if you haven't seen it.

[–]Habaneroe12 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I watched the first two seasons. I really liked the boss character, who’s actor passed away

[–]Vegeta9001 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Monica... Peter Gregory is dead.

[–]Habaneroe12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Peter Gregory. RIP.

[–]Groomsi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Or garage

[–]denM_chickN 205 points206 points  (45 children)

Goddamn Tesla started the subscription for your cars features trend which really gets me riled up.

[–]hardy_83 95 points96 points  (10 children)

Just wait until cars get something like a battle pass lol.

[–]Venafib 29 points30 points  (6 children)

How about lootboxes and achievements?

[–]myislanduniverse 6 points7 points  (1 child)

"I can't wait for season 3 of Honda Civic! I heard we get to use the rear power windows!"

[–]ThermalFlask 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Bro I lucked out with this lootbox and got two weeks worth of windscreen wiper usage!"

[–]t0ny7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There are only two subscriptions available for my Model 3. Premium data which is normal and Full Self Driving.

My Chevy Volt played a fucking audio message when I started it occasionally to remind me that I didn't sign up for onstar.

[–]duct_tape_jedi 24 points25 points  (5 children)

My Kia has an annual subscription for the always-on Internet connection that powers the navigation and remote security options. I don’t mind that, as there are ongoing costs to provide it, there is clear value, and the cost averages out to just a few dollars per month. If I decide I don’t want to continue paying for it, I can replace most of the functionality with CarPlay or Android Auto. Paying a subscription fee to unlock heated seats or other functions that are literally built in to the car is just insane.

[–]Call_erv_duty 36 points37 points  (16 children)

What? The only subscription that you have is for data for the car so you can use Netflix and such.

[–]henry_b 36 points37 points  (6 children)

Wait until they find out about OnStar.

[–]Duncan_PhD 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Paying for road side assistance is a little different than paying for things already installed on the car that you just get locked out of if you don’t pay. If you don’t pay for onstar it’s not like you lose your heated steering wheel or whatever else these companies can come up with.

[–]Hushwater 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I can't remember which automaker but there was a subscription to use the heated seats.

[–]d_pyro 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Some cars require subscriptions to use the heated seat feature.

[–]JBuijs 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Not Tesla. BMW does that. And I think Mercedes does something similar as well

[–]throoawoot 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Not true. You're referring to things like BMW charging you for basic functionality like seat warmers. Tesla doesn't do any of that.

[–]3v0lut10n 10 points11 points  (2 children)

What subscription did they start, specifically?

[–]jrherita 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Long ago you had to pay $100-200 annually if you wanted your maps updated on your car. Subscriptions were inevitable.. unfortunately.

[–]mouldy200 32 points33 points  (103 children)

Nope, theres literally no other cars that interest me after owning one for 3 years.

[–]Habaneroe12 30 points31 points  (92 children)

No issues at all?

[–]Blackdragon1400 39 points40 points  (2 children)

2 years with my model Y, zero issues. Best car I've ever owned, checks all the boxes.

[–]Tabbehz 31 points32 points  (13 children)

I've had mine for awhile, definitely a fun car to drive, zero issues. I'm coming from a reliable and older Toyota too, so the Tesla is a huge change. Don't always believe the articles that hyper focus on the negative experiences. Find any product/vehicle that DOESN'T have a negative experience or review. Most billionaires are bastards, but we buy their company's products all the time lol, or we could just hide under a rock and not participate in society.

[–]Habaneroe12 17 points18 points  (7 children)

During covid I became A Rich Rebuilds fan. I could not believe this guy could put two of these junked cars together and make one work! Well mostly- Elon does not like him and wont let him fast charge lol. He also denied him a free roadster even tho he EARNED it via the company referral program . Rich got butt hurt on that one.

His take on the X is brutal if you watch his tech guy break it down.

His techs are former Tesla ones. Everyone know about the doors but there is plethora going on. My main takeaway is that those owners are fine for now since warranty, but thats gonna expire some day ok? Good luck with that model X owners.

[–]Tabbehz 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I like that channel too! I definitely agree with the criticisms and I would love to see Rich get more praise in the community. Right to repair is something that needs to be taken seriously, and Tesla is definitely the Apple of the car world, extremely proprietary and greedy! Unfortunately a lot of other car manufacturers are also making it increasingly difficult to DIY out of simple fixes. I have a model Y and am happy with it at it's current price point. The model X at its price point was always a non-starter for me, and lacks many luxury materials at it's price point.

[–]Habaneroe12 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Great reply.

My coworker was a retired contractor, think Gandalf- hes just missing the staff I teased him.

He had an original S. The ones with the fake grill. He just loved that thing oh jeez dont get him started on his tesla. His wife got another model later.

So he talks another coworker into buying the X. I say why don't you bring it here to show it off to us, otherwise whats the point I teased that guy.

He told me he was still in sticker shock he had never paid for anything that expensive before. I dont know if he is regretting it to this day but.... he never drove it to work because he did not want it scratched in the parking lot, he still just drove his old jeep.

[–]noncongruent 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tesla really needs to offer a real path for salvage car inspection and certification. If a Tesla that's been severely damaged is properly rebuilt and tested, it should be treated as a good Tesla. Now, I can understand that the testing and recertification process needs to be stringent, especially when it comes to the battery since the amount of energy stored can be extremely dangerous if something goes wrong, but if all the parts are good and the systems test out ok then it should be recertified for full use. I also don't have a problem with Tesla charging for this, charging a lot if that's what it takes to get a good certification.

[–]mouldy200 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Nope it’s great. My previous car was a bmw which cost me 6k when a fuel pump failure took out every injector and lined my tank and fuel lines with swarf. Id never go back to ICE now, 3 years of Tesla ownership and 0 issues.

[–]Trojann2 37 points38 points  (18 children)

Just over a year into owning mine. Absolutely love it and zero issues.

[–]Earptastic 10 points11 points  (4 children)

My 2001 F150 has had zero issues for the last 5 years. Changed a coil pack and replaced the intake manifold about 5 years ago but it just keeps going.

Shouldn’t zero issues be pretty normal for a new car?

[–]Traevia 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yes. That is why it is weird for there to be so many against Tesla. That being said, it makes sense given their factory conditions and other build quality issues mentioned. One reviewer mentioned having to get the trunk latch replaced less than 2 years after owning it. They also have horrid panel gaps. These are failures from 1990s cars before a QA focus really existed. Today, these are considered literally the bare minimum of automotive quality like having the paint match on the entire vehicle.

[–]Earptastic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

For sure. The panels not matching is kind of funny. Didn’t they make a bunch in the parking lot of their factory instead of inside the factory at one point?

[–]VoiceOfLunacy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I've got a model Y. No issues, I do pay for the data service. I have a few minor complaints. The rear hatch isn't quite straight (the gap between the door and light on one side is about 1/8" larger than the other). It still works fine, but if you look at it carefully, you can see it's crooked.

[–]LittleKittyLove 5 points6 points  (10 children)

I have had one issue with my Tesla since 2016. I got a message saying “car safe to drive, but may not start again. Talk to service center.”

So I scheduled an appointment, dropped off the car, and was given a loner model 3. A week later, the car is ready to pick up. The rear inverter died, and was replaced under warranty for $0.

As far as reliability goes, ICE cars are crazy contraptions with hundreds of moving parts that break down frequently. EVs are much simpler, with like 2 moving parts and no oil. So Tesla gives great warranties because electronic parts tend to either die early in their life, or work for decades. And EVs simply do not break down like ice cars.

[–]damunzie 9 points10 points  (3 children)

No, OP died in a crash and now has no use for cars.

[–]dr_reverend 13 points14 points  (0 children)

With the Apple levels of DRM when it comes to repair, the fact that your car’s video files are open fodder for everyone to laugh at, the abysmal fit and finish I’ve seen numerous times and the biggest thing of all is that you are supporting Trump lover Musk, I don’t see why anyone would ever buy another Tesla again.

Edit: Let’s not forget about how they marketed and pushed everyone to use their barely alpha level drive assist system as a full fledged autonomous drive.

[–]FindingBeemo 145 points146 points  (27 children)

Data breach aside, It's easy to imagine that 4,000 safety complaints is damning evidence that Musk has been directing efforts at Tesla in the wrong direction; however, I'd also like to see some data about other car manufacturers on these topics. What's the data on a per-car-sold basis compared to something like Ford or Toyota? Hell, general motors recalled just shy of 3 million cars at one point because of saftey issues. A very quick google shows that Tesla has about 500k cars sold worldwide, 4,000 saftey complaints adds up to less than 1% of total cars. Taking absolute numbers with no additional context seems like an intellectually flimsy comparison. Especially when the reasons cited are to do with their entirely optional, experimental self driving software, not the actual car

Edit: as someone has pointed out, my very quick Google was perhaps a bit too quick, the number is actually closer to 3-4 million, not 500k - which, while an oopsie on my behalf, strengthens the 4,000 complaints being a very small % of total complaints vs vehicles sold

[–]DerWetzler 29 points30 points  (0 children)

500k cars? It was more than 2.7 million cars with autopilot when Handelsblatt got the data last year

[–]__uniqueusername__ 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I doubt the 4000 number is worldwide, considering the source. Also, what is considered a complaint? In 3 years, I bet I've logged 1000 "complaints" via their bug report option. But would definitely like to know the issues with other car manufacturers and how they compare. I like my Tesla less every day, my most common saying is "it's tried to kill me, again!"

[–]First2FindWaldo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Complaints don’t equate to actual faults. In regard to unintended acceleration, NHTSA already looked into it in 2020 and determined all cases at the time were due to driver error.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2020/INCLA-DP20001-6158.PDF

[–]TriXandApple 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yup, Ford could have somewhere betweeen 500 and 5,000,000 safety complaints locked away and it wouldn't surprise me. I have no way to compare this.

[–]Habaneroe12 29 points30 points  (14 children)

I’m just wondering what would have happened if he just had made an electric focus ok? Who the hell needs or asked for a self opening door, besides an invalid maybe? Drop the self driving lie, just make an electric car ok? We might have actually had a sub $20k Tesla which he promised from the start

[–]Imacatdoincatstuff 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Elon conflated EV and self driving for years arguably slowing the adoption of EVs.

[–]bryf50 2 points3 points  (0 children)

very quick google shows that Tesla has about 500k cars sold worldwide

Yea.... more like 500k in the last quarter.

[–]DecorativeSnowman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"optional experimental feature"

so the company is unleashing an unsafe lab test on our roads

[–]LPhilippeB 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The Tesla Files

[–]minimalblackco 109 points110 points  (45 children)

Tesla cars feel so plastic, a real odd purchasing choice.

[–]Vinura 99 points100 points  (22 children)

At their price point it makes no sense to buy a Tesla.

If they were a $20-30,0000 maybe.

But upwards of 40k (at least in Aus), its a bit of a rip off considering how cheap they look, not even factoring the average build quality some of them have.

[–]shitloadofbooks 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A model 3 is well over 60k in Australia.

[–]007meow 39 points40 points  (4 children)

There’s few viable alternatives in the US - and those that do exist are saddled with insane markups and a shitty (to say the least) charging network.

Tesla’s network is by FAR the best DCFC network

[–]hdlmonkey 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Your info is a little dated. Insane markups are gone for most alternatives at most dealerships and the non-Tesla charging network is about the same size as Tesla. I would say the main annoyance is that the network is “maintained” by several different companies and require separate accounts. Anyway, I guess my car will get access to Tesla’s network next year so that will be the best of both worlds.

[–]corduroy 21 points22 points  (0 children)

You're trading in luxury for performance, which is fine imho. Their performance definitely hits above their price point and quality control/luxury hits that Daewoo price point.

[–]bazooie 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Never will I be surprised by Elon's slow drip of slip ups, inept leadership, and shady shit. I followed him since the Roadster prototype was being developed a few miles from my home. And when his HR staff quit just months before the TSLA IPO, I knew something was wrong - I didn't pry for details but the implication was that it was something morally fucked, and hanging on for a few more months in those working conditions were not worth becoming a multimillionaire.

[–]MassiveAd09672 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting real time observation,

[–]WingerRules[🍰] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When a data breach occurs there should be an agency that reviews if negligence was involved once databases get to a certain size or contain sensitive information

[–]Bongin_tom9 21 points22 points  (6 children)

This news broke on Thursday out of Europe, and msm is just picking it up now.

[–]HuudaHarkiten 14 points15 points  (4 children)

It was on the front page on thursday

[–]ShlongThong 1 point2 points  (3 children)

MSM picking it up late complaints = Whenever the person who said it doesn't stumble upon it when most others did.

[–]Navikus_Twitchtv 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can't wait for nothing to happen about it.

[–]DrNukes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I smell consequences of Elon's decent into fascism. A lot of people dislike fascists.

[–]Canadiancrazy1963 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Surprise surprise surprise! /s

Conservatism is toxic!

[–]TurbulentPoopaya910 29 points30 points  (12 children)

Devil's Advocate here, you just got to think the same is true of every other automaker.

[–]Ok_Shape88 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Reddit is too young to remember the Toyota accelerator issue, the GM ignition issue, the VW emissions scandal or the GOAT; “unsafe at any speed”.

This really just feels like more rage bait for the rabid anti-Musk crowd.

[–]EverGreenSD 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lol, what was the unsafe at any speed one about? Though true to form, I only remember the VW emissions scandal.

[–]BC_Hawke 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A couple years ago, everybody here would be vehemently defending Musk and downvoting any mention of this leak. I used to get downvoted for pointing out risky practices at Tesla like beta testing software on consumers driving on public roads. I got downvoted when I pointed out that Musk was using the kids trapped in a cave as a PR stunt by saying he would make a submarine to go and get them. it was only after Musk started expressing political views that differ with the majority of the people here that everyone started to hate him.

[–]DecorativeSnowman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

are the other companies mistakes "allowing experimental test features automated control of your vehicle" ?

[–]_Road-Runner- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Elon Musk is known for overworking his employees to the extreme. I can imagine that overworked employees will make mistakes resulting in safety complaints and data breaches. You can't run an organization effectively when everyone is tired, stressed out to the max and rushing everything.

[–]Sigris 20 points21 points  (12 children)

Lmao. Everything this dictator roleplayer touches turns to shit.

[–]Accomplished-Sort466 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So they still not see motorcycles?

[–]piranspride 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Surprisingly such a now newsworthy story. There seems little in the way of a smoking gun here.

[–]gopeepants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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