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[–]Drg84 2444 points2445 points  (229 children)

Article for context. https://insideevs.com/news/671771/toyota-ev-plans-900-mile-battery/amp/ it looks like Toyota is planning on further development of solid state batteries. Which is good, but not guaranteed to pan out.

[–]Over-Analyzed 1431 points1432 points  (145 children)

At least when they do produce them. They’ll likely outlive their first owner. I have a Tacoma that can legally drink and I have no intention of getting rid of it.

[–]yoloyeet420 633 points634 points  (60 children)

40 year old daily driven Tercel checking in. I’ve had less problems with this car than anything else I’ve owned. Would buy an electric Toyota in a heartbeat.

[–]unclejoe1917 169 points170 points  (19 children)

Is that the OG early 80s Tercel that looks like it has a stubby little hamster butt? I used to love those. Two friends had a Tercel and Corolla and I had a '77 Celica as our first cars.

[–]yoloyeet420 101 points102 points  (12 children)

It’s a 4wd wagon, 1984. Not quite as weird as the hatchback. Twas a good era for Toyota, it’s mega comfy.

[–]redpenquin 50 points51 points  (0 children)

I passed on buying one like that in 2013 for $1500 and this is making me regret it again.

[–]jibjab23 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Toyota Japan I would buy in a heartbeat. Toyota America I would have to check the fine print first. Maybe it's my perception of the US but I feel the suits would think up some ideas on how to squeeze and keep squeezing blood out of a stone if they xould

[–]TheAsusDelux999 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Lack of consumer protection in the us doesn't help.

[–]Over-Analyzed 86 points87 points  (12 children)

I’m laughing at the thought of Hawaii having the most electric cars per capita because once Toyota releases their electric car. 😂

[–]naufrago486 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Toyota aside, Hawaii is the best place for EVs anyway. Short distances, good weather, ability to generate clean electricity (solar), high gas prices, and a more environmentally conscious population.

[–]FresnoMac 76 points77 points  (9 children)

Reminds me of that Hilux they tried to destroy on Top Gear. They crashed it, left it in the sea overnight, lit it on fire and placed it atop a building that was demolished.

The car took a beating of course but with a mechanic and no spare parts, it was still up and running enough to get it to the studio.

Tanks, absolute tanks.

[–]Over-Analyzed 32 points33 points  (7 children)

Their reliability is also why they’re so popular in Hawaii. In a place where you don’t need the latest car or anything terribly fancy. All you need is a vehicle that can carry your water gear. Something that can last.

[–]NotComping 14 points15 points  (3 children)

and also the reason they pop up in.. other, less advertised places

[–]urmomaisjabbathehutt 60 points61 points  (14 children)

Have you seen the top gear to killing a Toyota?

this is part 3, be aware that during parts 1 and 2 they already did put the poor truck through hell

https://youtu.be/kFnVZXQD5_k

🤣

[–]MafiaMommaBruno 30 points31 points  (2 children)

This and the North Pole episode really highlights Toyota quality.

Wish they'd do a modern bit on the new Tacomas/Hilux.

[–]chauggle 21 points22 points  (1 child)

That truck isn't indestructible, it's immortal.

[–]Over-Analyzed 10 points11 points  (1 child)

That was beautiful! 😂.

[–]64557175 24 points25 points  (5 children)

'82 Datsun 720 diesel here. Thing still purrs like a kitten. Easily has another 40 years left on it.

[–]Ineedsomuchsleep170 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There was a farmer who bought a datsun ute new in the 70s where I live. It finally died a couple of years ago and he legit put a death notice in the paper for it.

[–]Timely_Sun8761 45 points46 points  (17 children)

I think this right here is exactly why Toyota has been dragging their feet. They have an excellent reputation for being extremely reliable, and having people driving their cars with relatively few problems for decades. However current battery tech is just not ever going to have anywhere near that kind of longevity. It’s also probably why they are shooting for such high range numbers. Batteries are going to degrade over time no matter what, but going from 600 miles per charge to 300 is not going to effect most people’s driving habits.

[–]cyb3rpun_k 10 points11 points  (3 children)

wasnt it more because they invested heavily in Hydrogen?

[–]ayriuss 22 points23 points  (7 children)

They've had batteries in priuses for literally forever and nobody is complaining.

[–]Timely_Sun8761 13 points14 points  (5 children)

True but Prius batteries don’t go through the same extremes in de-charge and recharge as a full EV. The ICE is handling all of the heavier acceleration loads and the battery is kept at a more or less constant charge from the ICE. EVs today are like your phone or laptop battery. Eventually it just degrades to the point of not holding much of a charge.

[–]Sirboggington 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Currently driving Prius plug-in hybrid. Runs full electric for 40-50 km. We almost never run the engine. 80,000 km, so far no issue

[–]Iwouldlikesomecoffee 70 points71 points  (35 children)

I don't see anything in that article about 900 miles in ten minutes. There's a sentence about 900 on one charge, but nothing about how long it takes to charge.

[–]MrDurden32 91 points92 points  (27 children)

That's because it's complete bullshit. A useable battery in the real world that charged 10 min for that size would be a massive breakthrough.

[–]jx84 25 points26 points  (12 children)

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (10 children)

That looks extremely promising. We’re on the precipice of an amazing battery technology that will change the world as we know it. There’s no way it’s a lie either, because corporations wouldn’t ever lie to us to hype up investors to drive up their share price. Lying is incredibly unethical, and I just couldn’t see a multi billion dollar corporation doing that to us. Can’t wait!!

[–]RivRise 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You had me in the first half ngl

[–]stdfan 41 points42 points  (8 children)

It’s a solid state battery. They charge incredibly quick and have an incredible capacity. Every car company is working on one. Its not complete BS.

[–]bittabet 38 points39 points  (6 children)

The problem isn’t that they can’t do it, it’s that it’s going to take many years to scale this technology up to where the batteries are cost competitive with existing batteries and can be produced in similar quantities. And in the meantime the other battery tech is advancing rapidly too. Both Amprius and CATL are already making 500wh/kg batteries. That would already be able to hit similar range figures but again the problem isn’t that the tech doesn’t exist, it’s that it’s hard to manufacture in the volumes needed to build millions of cars at a low enough price point.

[–]NorthImpossible8906 6496 points6497 points  (192 children)

"In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have wasted 40 billion dollars and many years being a lame troll on twitter"

  • Elon Musk

[–]FreddyForshadowing 2602 points2603 points  (115 children)

Not even on his deathbed would he admit he was wrong. Narcissists lack any sense of introspection. The closest they get is trying to figure out what gets them the most attention.

[–][deleted] 904 points905 points  (80 children)

Trump’s last words will be witch hunt or maybe her emailssssssssss

[–]sethmeister1989 396 points397 points  (36 children)

The laptopppppppp

[–]23skidoobbq 369 points370 points  (28 children)

“Please tell ivanka I love her, and tell my sons…. Well just make sure you tell ivanka I love her.”

[–]ChrdeMcDnnis 115 points116 points  (1 child)

“Ivanka, Donald wanted you to know he loves you.”

“K”

[–]sarcasatirony 362 points363 points  (5 children)

“I have another son with Melanoma but he’s too tall to be trusted. Too tall. Big hands. The biggest hands. Not as big as mine. Not as tall as me. He ain’t Ivanka either.”

[–]Hakkonnis 56 points57 points  (6 children)

Nah she's dead to him too now. She even took her husband's last name.

Maybe it's Tiffany's time to shine.

[–]iheartxanadu 64 points65 points  (3 children)

I really, really want Ivanka to have turned on him for immunity.

[–]ImmaRaptor 54 points55 points  (2 children)

I hope she doesnt get immunity and goes down too.

[–]lilsnatchsniffz 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Will Goya give her a Loya?

[–]mechwarrior719 35 points36 points  (0 children)

“What about your wife?”

intentional non-answer

“Sir?”

“I heard you”

[–]ManofSteel2477 19 points20 points  (1 child)

He loves her like a potential girlfriend

[–]FLSun 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh wait, I'll just tell her when she comes for conjugal visits. I do get conjugal visits with Ivanka, don't I?

[–]SoberTek 31 points32 points  (9 children)

I hope the last words he hears will be "Loser!"

[–]Specialist-Invite673 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hoaaaaaaaax

[–]m0fugga 28 points29 points  (4 children)

The closest they get is trying to figure out what gets them the most attention.

Projection, deflection, and gaslighting...

[–]MaximumOverfart 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Gaslight Obstruct Project

[–]cgn-38 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Like a Cage match between two pasty white out of shape nerds?

[–]Ambitious-Bed3406 73 points74 points  (1 child)

He's like Trump, Narcissistic and can never fail even when they're failing.

[–]Rafaeliki 122 points123 points  (13 children)

We all know he wanted to back out of the deal, but it's funny that he's now trying to transition Twitter into this concept of X, which largely seems to be inspired by the government-run apps in China like WeChat. He can't even get it running smoothly for sending out small text lines but he expects it to replace Netflix, Venmo, Spotify, Instagram, TikTok, WhatsApp, etc

[–]crackheadwilly 75 points76 points  (8 children)

Instead of Twitter, for $40B he could have purchased the LA Lakers, NY Rangers, NY Yankees and Dallas Cowboys, paying 150% value to get it done, and still had $10B left over.

[–]CHEMO_ALIEN 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Jesus the numbers are staggering when theyre put in context like that

[–]sharinganuser 32 points33 points  (0 children)

For 40bn he could have completely funded the rest of the construction of ITER, or built a base on the moon with 10bn left over.

Or he could have solved world hunger.

[–]joshTheGoods 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is what people often miss here on Reddit when they theorize that super genius Musk must be destroying Twitter on purpose. For 40bn, he could have destroyed twitter 80 times.

[–]pegothejerk 32 points33 points  (0 children)

He couldn’t keep it from crashing during a simple audio only campaign event

[–]Lord_Despair 54 points55 points  (13 children)

Or indulging in conspiracy theories and challenging other billionaire CEOs to cage fights.

[–]wearmeasalightjacket 14 points15 points  (11 children)

They don't fight each other, they have personal gladiators that fight to the death

[–]dsdvbguutres 44 points45 points  (4 children)

Twitter is a tool to push agenda. It doesn't lose money, it costs money.

But being a lame troll was optional.

I never thought I would cheer for zukk for anything, but I'll make an exception for the octagon.

[–]matt_mv 18 points19 points  (2 children)

And that’s the point for Zuck. The only thing that could help his popularity is choking out Musk. Musk will never do it because he’ll never take the time to actually adequately train.

[–]Hyperion1144 89 points90 points  (16 children)

He's kinda given up on Mars, hasn't he?

[–]KintsugiKen 34 points35 points  (1 child)

tbh the best thing he can do for SpaceX's success is to leave it alone and keep focusing on Twitter

the less he meddles, the better

[–]Discombobulated-Frog 94 points95 points  (5 children)

Well spacex is kinda doing it’s own thing and I think until starship gets going mars is just a distant goal. Realistically the optimal way to go there is to work with NASA with their upcoming moon missions for a decade as it’s meant to lay the foundations for manned deep space missions.

[–]TaqPCR 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I mean SpaceX won the competition to make the next moon lander so they are working with them even if the architecture of the rest of the mission is dumb as hell (2B dollars to launch a capsule to lunar orbit just so that starship can actually be the thing to actually do the landing, SLS should be cancelled immediately). Blue Origin also won a second competition by vastly underpricing their bid (I wish Bezos the best luck in blowing his money) and are making a vastly less capable lander that will be used on later missions.

[–]50k-runner 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Twitter is Elon's OceanGate

[–]ArjunaIndrastra 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Being an asshat with a serious case of untreated narcissism means that he will never engage in any amount of self-reflection. People like that just don't have the capacity for it.

[–]-thegay- 3192 points3193 points  (485 children)

I think Tesla’s gonna tank. Elon’s gone conservative, which okay—do what you want, but conservatives aren’t buying electric cars.

[–]envision83 1918 points1919 points  (214 children)

Personally I don’t care if Elon is a conservative. I won’t buy a Tesla (in the market shortly after my current lease) because he’s a fucking idiot and refuse to give him any of my money.

[–]phdoofus 1854 points1855 points  (47 children)

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[–]Emotional-Thunk 561 points562 points  (21 children)

Precisely. His Twitter purchase, despite what headache it caused, showed everyone that he is a prime bullshitter. He started talking about something way more people understand and study and exposed his whole ass.

[–]Clear-Struggle-7867 134 points135 points  (4 children)

Yeah it's crazy, I don't know shit about programming but it seemed like every time he tweeted about updating code and all that, he would just get torn apart even by current and former twitter employees, who clearly knew what they were talking about.

I was like damn dude, just shut up. You're legit losing decades of built-up (and false) credibility in a matter of weeks

[–]Emotional-Thunk 108 points109 points  (2 children)

I remember a live q&A where a former Twitter employee asked Elon point blank what he meant by "rebuild the codebase from scratch" or something like that. Musk was complaining about some speed issues that this guy had apparently been personally working on for years before being fired, and he insisted Elon explain exactly what needed to happen. Elon kicked him from the call 🤙

[–]SalaciousSausage 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Even better, Elon kicked him after calling the guy a jackass. I love that whenever someone calls him out on his bullshit, he does a DeSantis - getting mad and becoming abusive

[–]The_Original_Miser 157 points158 points  (11 children)

He started talking about something way more people understand and study and exposed his ass.

chefs kiss

This is the part that was so enjoyable. Watching this narcissist get knocked down many pegs.

My prediction is at some point Tesla will be purchased by a big three for the tech, and will make cars no more.

If I had some extra money, any appreciable money laying around, I'd be inclined to short Tesla.

[–]KlicknKlack 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I have been thinking this for years... but stupid people with money keep pumping his stock. The value over the past 5 years just seems insane to me.

[–]InsomniacCyclops 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I agree that Tesla will inevitably get bought out, but I wouldn't be surprised if it sticks around as a subsidiary since the Tesla marque is still attractive to a certain breed of insufferable men with money.

[–]SalaciousSausage 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There was this puff piece from the late 2000s about him and SpaceX that I read a little while ago, and in it he talks about hiring engineers from Boeing, NASA, etc.

He then has the fucking gall to say that he knows more about rockets and engineering than they do.

Like holy fuck, how far up your own ass do you have to be to genuinely think that.

[–]Apart-Landscape1012 44 points45 points  (13 children)

His rockets do have a pretty good record, which only means he was not that involved in anything at SpaceX

[–]Ryuko_the_red 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Thank goodness they're not his cars or rockets. He's a dumb as fuck figurehead who can memorize a fair bit of science mumbo jumbo to get the press rock hard.

[–]dsdvbguutres 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Transferable.

[–]Hyperion1144 458 points459 points  (49 children)

Yeah. Idiot.

Like he said. Conservative.

[–]00-Void 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Ehhhh, I'm past thinking that conservatives are just "idiots". Many of them are plain evil. They're not idiots, they know exactly what they're doing.

[–]mxpx424 239 points240 points  (74 children)

I’m not ever buying a Tesla because they are built like shit. Their quality is garbage. I will own an electric down the road. I’m glad other manufacturers are building better cars then POS Tesla. They guy didn’t even make the company, he bought the company. That being said “Fuck that walking talking turd!” He is a piece of shit.

[–]envision83 38 points39 points  (13 children)

Yea I get Tesla stuff showing up as “interests” in my Reddit thread and it’s full of people with issues lol. Or their cars getting keyed. Or messing with the car while charging.

[–]step1 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I mean, a bunch of idiots ICEing a charging station is more of a “them” issue. Like what kind of bitch ass idiot would do that and strand people? Happens all the time though. Happened to me last night; trailers and vans blocking every spot. Same with them getting keyed or otherwise fucked with. Buncha fuckin animals can’t just let people be. It’s a fucking car, get over it.

[–]Bentstrings84 106 points107 points  (42 children)

I was once told “Maserati prices for Kia quality.”

[–]CyberCat_2077 51 points52 points  (5 children)

As I understand it, Maseratis are actually infamous for extremely poor build quality for their price.

[–]unclejoe1917 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but at least you have a sizzling hot Italian car for your trouble.

[–]RainMonkey9000 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Maseratis give you the best 5 minutes of your life when they are running.

[–]CombatConrad 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I think the saying is “Maserati prices for Maserati quality.”

[–]ThrowRA1701C 72 points73 points  (26 children)

My kias are pretty good quality!

[–]BasketballButt 55 points56 points  (18 children)

I will say that I’ve heard nothing but good things about Kia the last few years and they look really good now. Far cry from the super cheap cars they introduced to the US market back in the 90s.

[–]Bruce_Rahl 36 points37 points  (8 children)

They’ve had a PR team working overtime since they decided to eliminate any and all security in their ignition system for a few years.

[–]OreganoJefferson 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They need to bring the hamsters back

[–]Mr_Salmon_Man 13 points14 points  (6 children)

That only affected cars in the US.

Kias in Canada didn't face the same problem, as they had the demobilizer systems in them.

[–]Amount_Business 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Also, even though it's an ice, Kia stinger goes pretty hard.

[–]Cannabace 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Also consider what happens to the existing vehicles if the company tanks. Buy outs aside. They’ve turned transportation into a subscription service.

[–]lonegrazer 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That may prove to be the future more broadly

[–]ContemplatingPrison 18 points19 points  (4 children)

This is exactly the case. I was going to buy a tesla before I knew what a complete piece of shit he was.

Also my coworker has one and he got hit 3 months ago and he still can't get it fixed. They told him not until November. That's a ridiculous timeline to get work done on a car. He can still drive it but only during the day because a headlight is out.

[–]AxsDeny 38 points39 points  (4 children)

When Tesla does tank do you think Elon will spite deactivate everyone’s vehicle? Seems on brand for him.

[–]Odd-Help-4293 99 points100 points  (13 children)

conservatives aren’t buying electric cars.

This actually made me think of a right-wing buddy of my dad's, who bought a Prius after 9/11. Not because he cared about the environment, but because he didn't want to give Arabs his money by buying (as much) gas.

But the virulent anti-Arab sentiment that was so common among Republicans 20 years ago seems to have cooled off a bit. So I can't see that being a winning sales strategy for Tesla.

[–]batmansleftnut 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The best way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is to reduce our dependence on oil.

[–]MBCnerdcore 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Yeah now they all love Saudi Arabia and don't care that MBS is a horrific dictator, because he is good friends with Republicans and they get WWE shows and golf now

[–]Prestigious_Clock865 15 points16 points  (4 children)

That’s a funny way of spelling ‘fascist’

[–]slambamo 138 points139 points  (65 children)

If Elon didn't go rouge, I can guarantee I would own a Tesla right now. Screw him though, there are equally or better quality EVs out there now.

[–]PhantomSpirit90 79 points80 points  (4 children)

Damn makeupped Elon…

[–]ApprehensiveCode2233 46 points47 points  (31 children)

I want an electric car but Teslas are ugly AF to me. So wasn't even considering buying one and that was before Musk's descending into Right wing awfulness.

I'm waiting for a Midsized ETruck.

[–]kaleidoverse 40 points41 points  (2 children)

I like the way they look, but I'll be damned if I want to think about Elon Musk every time I look at my car. Pass.

[–]real_nice_guy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

but I'll be damned if I want to think about Elon Musk every time I look at my car.

tbh I'd be as concerned about people making an assumption about me based on that as well, I don't want to be thought of as a Conservative/Elon fan for even an instant.

[–]OffalSmorgasbord 24 points25 points  (3 children)

He's going to be leveraging Twitter to garner more tax money to compete.

[–]sylpher250 8 points9 points  (2 children)

"Free Blue Checkmark for new Tesla owners!"

[–]Ohrwurm89 26 points27 points  (25 children)

And even if he didn't dive off the deep end, every single major auto manufacturer is developing its own fleet of EVs. Most of these companies sell/produce more cars in a month than Tesla does in a year, and they will offer significantly cheaper cars that are in many ways better and safer than a Tesla.

[–]Explore-PNW 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Elon’s gone publicly politically divisive. See no, speak no, and hear no evils and a well managed company will be fine. Do any of those repeatedly and publicly and you’re hopefully fucked by shareholders demanding more return for their risk not to mention public, free market, scrutiny.

[–]delayedlaw 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Not only are conservatives not buying his cars, but he's pushed liberals into not buying them too.

[–]argylekey 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Corporations are buying electric fleet vehicles, like the F-150 lightning, regardless of conservative or not.

If Tesla had produced a mass market F-150 alternative… they still wouldn’t have sold very many because so many companies go with ford over almost anyone else.

I’ve always laughed at the Tesla fanboys. Tesla has struggled for years to keep up with demand. Cool new tech? Absolutely. Actually able to keep up with the incumbent car manufacturers? Kind of a pipe dream.

Musk made his money and bought Twitter with it. Probably bring both companies down in the process.

[–]batmansleftnut 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The cyber truck is coming! Any day now! We just need another week or two. Or fifty, or... just... it's coming alright!

[–]thoroughbredca 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is a huge application for EVs, where companies can have their own charging infrastructure, rather than depend on having to go to gas stations, and where it's known how much they drive in a particular day. Already Dominos is deploying fleets of Chevy Bolts for their deliveries.

[–]Rafaeliki 12 points13 points  (2 children)

There are some wealthy nonrural conservatives who definitely are buying the car, but it won't replace the demand from the base that originally grew its popularity. Especially now that so many alternatives are coming out that from what I've heard have better quality standards (not a surprise considering how new Tesla is to the auto industry and how Elon likes to cut costs).

[–]thoroughbredca 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Which is funny because one of the enormous selling points of EVs is that you don't need a gas station to fill them up. You just fill them up at home. So if you live 20 minutes from the closest gas station, charging them at home is a lot more appealing option.

I've had this discussion with ICE drivers and it's really something I didn't realize until I bought an EV is that the experience is just really different. I really don't wait until I'm down to near E, drive somewhere and fill up. I have a lot of microcharges, either at home or when there's a charger somewhere I'm already going. I rarely go out of my way to "fill up" unless I'm driving an awful lot of miles in a short period, which really isn't that often. The rest of the time I'm already using the time I'm already going somewhere, either at home at say at a Target or grocery store parking lot where I was already going to pick something up, and that's the sunk cost time I use to charge up that I would have already been doing anyways. Even if it's not a fast charge, sometimes just the time I'm in the store, I end up at home with more of a charge than I left, ameliorating any need to "fill up" at a station.

So when people ask me how much "time" I need to charge, the time I spend not doing something I was already doing is pretty near zero.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I work next to a fascist that is obsessed with Elon and his Tesla

Not saying it’s common but Tesla’s cult is basically Electric MAGA

[–]jfb3 860 points861 points  (59 children)

I'll believe it when it's in production.

Predictions, plans, and test vehicles aren't worth the price of the electrons we read.

[–]meatmechdriver 246 points247 points  (25 children)

this. type 1 diabetes has been ‘cured’ at least 5 ways in a lab during my lifetime, but guess who is still diabetic?

[–]TheIntrepid1 98 points99 points  (16 children)

Cancer patient checking in 🙋‍♂️

[–]Traditional_Cat_60 58 points59 points  (11 children)

There’s so many types of cancer. Successful treatment for one type, unfortunately, does not mean it’ll work for a different type.

[–]TheIntrepid1 39 points40 points  (10 children)

You’re telling me

[–]Intelligence_Analyst 25 points26 points  (9 children)

Hey dude. We don't know each other, but I just want to say keep on trying. There's that silver lining after that.

Be strong. You can do this.

All the best.

[–]TheIntrepid1 28 points29 points  (8 children)

Thanks man. I went from a 10 year battle with stage 4 to being pretty well…but it can always come back…lurking in the shadows, ready to rear it’s ugly head again.

But if you’d like to know, I appreciate your uplifting commentary.

[–]SlinkyBandito 96 points97 points  (9 children)

Solid state batteries will very likely come to market but Toyota has not yet been serious about EVs. They like to talk. Other companies make electric cars.

“Toyota recently unveiled a prototype of its all-solid-state battery, the latest entrant in a technology niche that could become the next big thing”… from an article in 2010.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/toyota-mulling-solid-state-batteries

[–]FreddyForshadowing 186 points187 points  (27 children)

Nice. I still don't understand why they couldn't just take the Prius, remove the gas engine and transmission and turn it into a pure EV.

But I've been sort of low key looking to replace my 2009 model car, and who knows, 6-years might be just about the right amount of time since I'm still not at 100K miles.

[–]TheBrassDonkey 105 points106 points  (5 children)

Adding a large enough battery to support that kind of mileage is a major structural frame change to a vehicle that requires specialized equipment you don't need on an assembly line for ICE models. If your vehicle sells well enough already why cannibalize its sales before you have to when you can just develop an all new model?

Source: am automotive engineer

[–]_____WESTBROOK_____ 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I have a Model Y and that thing is fast, but also feels like a chunky boi. It's a heavy vehicle. A Prius vs. Model 3 is easily an 800 pound difference. Not to mention you have to distribute the weight and not just shove all the batteries in the front or rear.

[–]charklaser 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And the Model Y has structural-structural battery packs to help keep weight low. Imagine if they just threw non-structural batteries in a Prius!

[–]Xaero_Hour 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Biggest reason is that until a few years ago, Toyota didn't WANT to make an EV. They were trying to get people invested in their hydrogen cell tech instead and lobbied against EV adoption. Eventually, they begrudgingly gave in and announced they'd start making them, but the lost over a decade of development time.

[–]MadAtYouu 23 points24 points  (0 children)

My husband explained it to me like this when I asked this exact question: you basically need to rearrange the guts of the car to have room for the batteries and make sure it’s balanced with the extra weight of the batteries.

[–]SegaTime 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Sometimes, it's best to start from the ground up.

[–]rnelsonee 170 points171 points  (52 children)

I mean, I certainly wish them the best. I think Elon sucks and I don't want my next car to be a Tesla (full disclosure: my car now is a Tesla). But this is the same company that

  • Routinely bet against electric in favor of hydrogen fuel cells
  • Has only 1 EV, which is slow and goes 160 miles. Lucid outsells Toyota, and that's a joke company.
  • Owns zero fast chargers

Meanwhile

  • Telsa has 4 cars for sale, and they're all in the top 6 EV's in the US
  • Telsa owns most fast charging stations in the US
  • Ford and GM, #2 and #3 in EV's, along with others, recently agreed to use Tesla's chargers for 2024+. This is more revenue for Tesla.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (17 children)

You missed one more thing, that one EV that Toyota has, is literally impossible to get for most people. I have a deposit down (I’m in Canada) and the wait is 2-3 years.

I could get a Tesla tomorrow. Quality control issues and Elon are stopping me, but it’s the only EV up here with actual supply.

[–]7MAC-11s 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I mean the wheels having been literally falling off the Bz4x.

[–]RKS3 14 points15 points  (5 children)

I thought Toyota wanted no part of the EV market?

[–]Double_Lingonberry98 12 points13 points  (7 children)

Suppose it's 150 kWh. To charge it in 10 minutes that would take 900 kW of power. If the power cable carries 1000 V, that would be 900 A, or some 300 sq mm. That would be a hell of a cable.

[–]dropname 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Even generously assuming 4 miles / kwh, higher than any production electric car currently (heh) achieves, that would require over a megawatt of power to top up 900 miles in 10 minutes... How is that going to integrate into charge solutions? Will the top-up stations have their own, multi-megawatt-hour battery banks?

[–]Distinct-Hat-1011 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Press X to doubt. Companies have been issuing press releases about solid-state batteries for years now. They are perpetually 5-10 years away. I hope that the technology can actually mature but I'm definitely giving the "hydrogen cars are definitely the future, for serial guys" company side-eye over these claims. Toyota and Honda have lost a lot of credibility with me.

[–]altapowpow 104 points105 points  (36 children)

Musk is one stupid comment away from destroying all of his businesses.

He's going to end up pulling a Papa John's moment sooner or later.

[–]thc_enhanced 53 points54 points  (0 children)

I’m ready for him to go full Kanye. It’ll happen eventually.

[–]WilliamSabato 44 points45 points  (13 children)

Bro’s made so many stupid comments and is doing okay.

Tesla is like the standard for electric cars right now, lets not pretend like he’s backed in a corner right now.

[–]VadersSprinkledTits 12 points13 points  (3 children)

This whole thread is talking about Elon, and ignoring the fact Toyota who doubled down against Electric for Hydrogen, and who’s only electric vehicle has wheels falling off. Suddenly claimed they have the end game stage batteries.

Well I have a 2k mile battery that charges in 5 minutes. So suck on that!

[–]buttpincher 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is not true. This is what they are aiming for. Fuckin hate liars like this douche bag

[–]Thermite1985 79 points80 points  (23 children)

If Toyota gets fully into the EV market, they would crush Tesla due to being able to manufacture less expensive better engineered vehicles and Lexus would easily compete with high end Tesla. Like who in their right mind would be like yeah this Lexus is cheaper has better range and looks nicer but I'm going to spend more money on a model s and watch it fall apart.

[–]deathandtaxes1617 58 points59 points  (0 children)

I don't disagree but people have literally been saying this verbatim for a decade now. Toyota crushing Tesla if they wanted to is the Cybertruck of EV commentary. Always one year away.

[–]arondaniel 35 points36 points  (4 children)

There is a reason Tesla is the only company currently making profits on battery electric vehicles. One reason is they buy and build the most battery cells and they have the lowest production costs due to advances in manufacturing. Toyota has even recently acknowledged this publicly.

Sorry to the haters but these scale and manufacturing advantages to Tesla are only increasing. IMO hoping on some next-gen tech to save the farm is not going to work. They are running out of time.

Don't believe me just watch.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

No. 932 miles on 10 mins charge is not feasible.

I would not want to be anywhere near a charger with that kind of current either.

[–]Hyperion1144 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I'll believe that when it's on the lot.

Also, I'm not aware of a charging technology being deployed that supports that charging rate.

[–]kilometer17 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The whole post is anti-Tesla/Elon rage bait.

[–]adamempathy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

[–]MrFunkyPunkie 22 points23 points  (37 children)

My wife was just in an accident with our newest car. (2018 Prius) Someone blew through a red light and completely clobbered her and she amazingly walked away with minor bruises (Toyota's safety is top notch.) For years I was set on buying a Tesla. Due to Space Karen, that's no longer the case. My wife and I are investing in a 2024 Rav4 Hybrid. I don't get to put my money where my mouth is a lot...so it feels good knowing that Tesla isn't getting my $40K.

TLDR: I would highly recommend Toyota to anyone due to their safety performance alone!

[–]rp_361 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Toyota is also reliable and doesn’t self ignite