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[–]Firm_Bit 12.5k points12.5k points  (132 children)

Usually in situations like this the board or governing body fires them, but it’s framed as a resignation. “Get out now or the press release after we fire you won’t be so nice.”

[–]Tef-al 2807 points2808 points  (9 children)

"Invited to leave"

[–]HCSOThrowaway 269 points270 points  (4 children)

Can confirm, was "invited to leave" law enforcement.

[–]nightpanda893 1714 points1715 points  (87 children)

He founded the organization. I’m guessing they were willing to at least let him resign with that in consideration.

[–]Gabbagooled 26.5k points26.5k points  (365 children)

Well damn Jackie I didn't know the judge was gonna share those letters to the world !.

[–]amunoz1113 4079 points4080 points  (99 children)

You would think Masterson would have better attorneys. If they had submitted those letters to the probation department as part of a pre-sentence report, as opposed to directly filing them to the court, the letters would most likely remain confidential.

[–]battleofflowers 4270 points4271 points  (65 children)

His attorneys didn't give a shit about Mila and Ashton's reputations; they only cared about getting their client a lighter sentence.

[–]RedditisRunbyChimps 2185 points2186 points  (40 children)

Which makes sense, they don't represent Ashton and Mila, and they aren't paid by them, so why would they care? Their legal duty as attorneys is to help Masterson.

[–]daaaayyyy_dranker 1014 points1015 points  (14 children)

I’m sure there’s a Scientology-related reason for thst

[–]JukeBoxDildo 618 points619 points  (4 children)

Yes. The reason is... Scientology.

[–]Sparcrypt 131 points132 points  (3 children)

In this case not really. All defence lawyers have an obligation to mount the best possible legal defence they can within the confines of the law.

So if those letters are admissible and could help their client by filing them as they did, it's their job to do that. Protecting the reputation of other people who aren't their client isn't part of their job.

[–]Grogosh 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Those letter were submitted in the first place because Ashton and Mila are involved with Scientology as well as Masterson.

The church just loves their celebrity members and hates to lose them so probably asked those two into sending those letters.

[–]PowertothePixie 140 points141 points  (0 children)

The letters were requested to remain sealed but it was up to the judge, and she decided that they could be made public the day of his sentencing.

[–]Paizzu 163 points164 points  (0 children)

I believe it's up the that jurisdiction's filing rules to decide whether character witness statements have to be submitted as separate docket entries?

I've read a few horror stories involving the Probation Department completely ignoring certain documents that were submitted through their office.

[–]fallskjermjeger 929 points930 points  (106 children)

Jackie wrote a letter supporting the convicted rapist as well.

[–]PoppyHamentaschen 930 points931 points  (101 children)

So did Red and Kitty.

[–]Bjorn2bwilde24 895 points896 points  (3 children)

Someone needs to put a foot up their asses

[–]So_be 242 points243 points  (0 children)

Robocop will take care of Red

[–]madhi19 744 points745 points  (35 children)

Yep I got a feeling they just killed That's 90s show. Netflix is going to run the fuck away from this.

[–]brando587 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Unless they convince Topher and Laura to be full time and have Eric and Donna move with Leia into Red and Kitty’s house after they retire to Florida.

[–]CharBombshell 466 points467 points  (18 children)

Sucks for the crew that will be out of a job, but good fucking riddance to Red & Kitty. Dumbasses.

[–]sonofaresiii 211 points212 points  (6 children)

A professional crew will move on to another job. That's what the job is. There may be some PA's or whoever who end up burning out and not finding anything, but I wouldn't worry too much for the crew.

I'm sure they'd rather have the stability and cohesiveness of staying on one gig though, but I'm sure they all knew going into it that a netflix show was a roll of the dice on renewal no matter what

[–]caligaris_cabinet 139 points140 points  (1 child)

Well you don’t sign onto a Netflix production for stability. Unless it’s Stranger Things.

[–]ExtraAgressiveHugger 177 points178 points  (0 children)

Even that’s iffy. There’s been huge breaks between seasons. Those kids will be 30 playing 16 year olds before the final season is aired.

[–]BornagainTXcook210 288 points289 points  (42 children)

But kitty has pierced nipples.

That's a fact you now know.

[–]whowantstotouchit 2378 points2379 points  (0 children)

dude, where’s my car’eer

[–]skeptic9916 4861 points4862 points  (8 children)

Talk about a PR nightmare. These are 2 people who were generally well regarded and even loved by a ton of people.

Then they decided to go to bat doe a convicted rapist. Incredibly dumb decision.

[–]DefNotUnderrated 1487 points1488 points  (1 child)

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when Ashton and Mila's PR people or lawyer called them after the letters got leaked.

[–]johnwyles 962 points963 points  (0 children)

“Ashton, Mila, to the situation room! Take off all your makeup and wear a hoodie or some dumpy shit. Check your inboxes for a script - we go live in 5 minutes!”

[–]truevindication 1306 points1307 points  (3 children)

I think they assumed the letters to the judge would be kept confidential and not released to the public. I'm sure they would not have written anything if they thought there was a chance of people finding out. I'm always glad when people show their true colors, celebrities or not.

[–]meatball77 197 points198 points  (0 children)

Between these two and Joe Jonas Ariana and SpongeBob are looking quaint with their divorces and moving in together.

[–]Dreamking0311 12.1k points12.1k points  (412 children)

He destroyed his credibility. He was forced to resign more likely.

[–]joseph_jojo_shabadoo 7977 points7978 points  (259 children)

that old resurfaced interview from the Rosie show where he said he made a bet with Danny on whether or not he could stick his tongue in 14 year old Mila Kunis's mouth might have had something to do with it too

[–]SecretAntWorshiper 3894 points3895 points  (37 children)

That interview. WTF. No wonder why so many child stars go crazy and are super fucked.

[–]aged_monkey 1616 points1617 points  (28 children)

"You were 15 by then!"

Lmao oh my god!

[–]Vsx 1237 points1238 points  (22 children)

The whole thing is a recipe for disaster. That's why they didn't want to hire any actual kids for the show in the first place. She lied about being 18 until after the casting was complete. They should have probably recast her anyway but she did kill that role. Crazy thing is as far as child stars go even being friends with a convicted rapist she's probably one of the more well adjusted ones.

[–]SilverThread 488 points489 points  (14 children)

She lied about being 18 until after the casting was complete.

I keep reading this, but how true could it be? She had already done commercial work in the US by that time. It wasn't the 1950s, production would be able to easily verify her age within a day or so. They had to have known all along she was underage, but didn't care.

[–]Vsx 405 points406 points  (8 children)

You think they do a background check on everyone who reads for a part? People tell you their age and you believe them.

[–]tic_tac_oh 281 points282 points  (4 children)

I would agree they probably don’t do checks for everyone who reads for them, but I would think they likely do it for the ones they actually decide to cast, wouldn’t they?

[–]Vsx 135 points136 points  (0 children)

They found out via the contract stipulations after she was casted yeah. Between casting and signing since her contract required things that only children have to be provided.

[–]LegacyLemur 328 points329 points  (1 child)

Even back in 2002 the audience was noticeably uncomfortable

[–]ahhh_ennui 449 points450 points  (0 children)

French kissing minors wasn't cool to any normal person even back in ye olden times of 2002.

[–]lostboysgang 1517 points1518 points  (69 children)

That made me physically uncomfortable.

Especially the comment saying Ashton was definitely 20 years old at the time and she was 14… And then Ashton is trying to brag that he did sneak tongue her but she doesn’t remember it!?

She is like, ‘No I teeth blocked it.’

[–]plebbituser6-9 550 points551 points  (3 children)

One comment I read under the first time it was posted here was that they were desperately trying to cover for him, but he didn't get it, lol

[–]MeatballDom 319 points320 points  (1 child)

"But he didn't end up doing it"

"I SO DID!"

[–]PoppyHamentaschen 237 points238 points  (0 children)

Such a Kelso.

[–]happysri 682 points683 points  (19 children)

Felt more like she was trying her damndest to cover his stupid butt.

[–]EnadZT 199 points200 points  (16 children)

What? She's the one who threw him (deservedly) under the bus by bringing it up in the first place.

[–]Fifteen_inches 229 points230 points  (12 children)

I don’t think Mila Kunis wants to be known for almost getting molested by Ashton.

[–]CrawlingKangaroo 459 points460 points  (11 children)

Yikes! That’s so terrible “that one year makes the whole world of difference” sounds like a quote a child exploiter would use..

[–]TheDesertFoxToo 439 points440 points  (8 children)

Sounds like a guy who fucked Mila Kunis at 15

[–]sue_me_please 346 points347 points  (57 children)

I really hate that the loudest "opposition" to child sexual abuse like this seems to come from people who have something to hide and/or are just projecting.

[–]Shenanigans80h 1266 points1267 points  (31 children)

This such a crazy turnaround for the dude. In recent years he’d built so much good will publicly and had developed a persona of philanthropy, all to throw it away for his rapist buddy. I imagine any and all charity work he pushes is going to distance themselves from him publicly

[–]oldgeek123 476 points477 points  (5 children)

He had a pretty sketchy reputation when he was with Demi Moore, so I wasn't entirely surprised by this with him. Mila, though, had me fooled. I really did think she was a good egg.

[–]ShartingTaintum 242 points243 points  (0 children)

I have a fun story to tell about Ashton and that era. At the time Ashton was on That 70’s Show and he had started dating January Jones. January is from Sioux Falls SD. They came to Sioux Falls for Thanksgiving one year. They even met her friends from high school at Nutty’s. Fast forward a bit and January ended up getting cast in a movie called Bandits with Bruce Willis. Bruce was married to Demi Moore at the time. One night after filming Bruce was waiting for January in her hotel room and they hooked up. This is all I know. After this Ashton and Demi were a thing.

[–]LoganGyre 221 points222 points  (10 children)

If he ever cared about the cause I would hope he resigned to prevent them from sharing in the backlash but he probably should have thought it through before he wrote the letter in the first place.

[–]Substantial_Bad2843 333 points334 points  (90 children)

Kind of disappointing how almost everyone on that show turned out to be bad people.

[–]jpdemers 397 points398 points  (19 children)

Except Topher Grace and Jim Rash.

[–]AnnieNotAndy 102 points103 points  (5 children)

I haven't heard anything bad about Don Stark or Tanya Roberts (Bob and Midge).

[–]TabulaRasaT888 121 points122 points  (1 child)

Tanya Roberts passed away in 2021 unfortunately

[–]flybyknight665 262 points263 points  (2 children)

It doesn't seem that Laura Prepon wrote a support letter.

Which is extra interesting considering she dated Danny Masterson's brother for years and is an ex Scientologist.
Makes me wonder what all she knows about that family.

[–]solstone23 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Tommy Chong as well

[–]Other_Personalities 307 points308 points  (0 children)

Blew years and years of positive PR on a damn letter

[–]smutketeer 494 points495 points  (0 children)

Remember - If a scientologist knows something about you then the "Church" knows it too. They are an intelligence gathering operation first and foremost.

[–]theWizzardlyBear 6786 points6787 points  (187 children)

Imagine tanking your career and reputation for Danny fucking Masterson. Garbage people.

[–]thx1138- 2072 points2073 points  (107 children)

I wonder if Masterson or scientology has dirt on them

[–]castpearls 1486 points1487 points  (24 children)

Yes you’d have not only a safe bet, but precisely the hidden point of auditing.

[–]thx1138- 268 points269 points  (10 children)

Has anyone seen them enjoying an ice cold Fanta?

EDIT: Fresca

[–]Squirll 163 points164 points  (0 children)

Scientology doesnt let anybody in without having dirt on them, I imagine. Its their bread and butter.

[–]summer_nights16 491 points492 points  (36 children)

Most likely both. I’m also guessing one of them (or Mila Kunis, Laura Prepon, Christopher Masterson or even Debra Jo Rupp) spilled the beans during auditing so of course Scientology has incriminating stuff to forever hold over their heads.

[–]4kondore 187 points188 points  (6 children)

Kitty's a Scientologist? Damn

[–]summer_nights16 268 points269 points  (5 children)

She has never made a public comment about it but she’s been to many of their events. She even wrote to the judge overseeing Hyde’s case asking for leniency.

[–]cire1184 180 points181 points  (4 children)

So did Kurtwood Smith (Red Forman)

[–]juicepants 127 points128 points  (2 children)

This one hurts the most. Loved him.

[–]cire1184 226 points227 points  (0 children)

Who would've thought he would be a dumbass.

[–]bongo1138 129 points130 points  (21 children)

Laura Prepon got involved too!? Nooo

[–]summer_nights16 600 points601 points  (19 children)

She was a Scientologist for a long time. She dated Danny Masterson’s brother Christopher for 8 years. She intimidated one of Danny’s victims in a parking lot. So yup, Laura was involved.

[–]PoppyHamentaschen 162 points163 points  (14 children)

Dammit, this is so disappointing :(

[–]chuckDontSurf 404 points405 points  (8 children)

Don't hold anyone in the entertainment industry in high esteem; they're most likely crappy people.

Except Mr. Rogers.

[–]MatttheBruinsfan 199 points200 points  (0 children)

And Dolly.

[–]oldgeek123 91 points92 points  (0 children)

Henry Winkler seems like a sweet man.

[–]N8CCRG 87 points88 points  (2 children)

She at least has been out of Scientology since 2016, but hasn't stood up against them at all.

[–]LegacyLemur 127 points128 points  (0 children)

I honestly wont blame her for that. You have to have balls of steel to take that on

[–]Snow_mold 333 points334 points  (0 children)

One of Danny’s victims has said there is another shoe to drop and this one will ruin Ashton.

Popcorn anyone?

[–]LABS_Games 130 points131 points  (6 children)

They performed at various Church of Scientology fundraisers over the years: https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000036352493.jpg?w=1024

[–]FolkSong 176 points177 points  (4 children)

Reassuring to see Topher wasn't there.

[–]LegacyLemur 145 points146 points  (1 child)

Reassuring to see he never wrote a letter either

[–]oldgeek123 327 points328 points  (0 children)

Now we know why he kept his distance with all his costars. It all makes sense now…years later. For years he was painted as a cold and distant snob and he didn’t say a word. I love that he’s being vindicated now.

[–]ptapobane 24 points25 points  (0 children)

that letter sure reads like he was put on an assignment to write the letter by someone

[–]Empyrealist 50 points51 points  (0 children)

They do the Catholic confessional thing turned up to 11. They have dirt on everyone.

[–]Dead_Halloween 86 points87 points  (4 children)

Wouldn't surprise me. Didn't they forced Chef's voice actor to quit South Park after that Scientology episode?

[–]blackdragon8577 100 points101 points  (0 children)

I heard it is a recording of a phone call proving that Ashton went into the house of his then girlfriend who had just been murdered by a serial killer. Ashton freaked out and left and went partying and left her body to be discovered much later.

Mila, I have no idea.

[–]gsfgf 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Oh, are they in Scientology? That would explain everything.

[–]TheMoonsMadeofCheese 11 points12 points  (0 children)

People keep saying this, but that also leaves out the very likely possibility that they are simply pieces of shit.

[–]zomangel 278 points279 points  (16 children)

Don't really need a career when you and your wife are multimillionaires

[–]KarmaCycle 91 points92 points  (0 children)

Seriously.. of all the scandalous, career-tanking possibilities, never would’ve guessed it’d be over supporting a has-been D-list ~ actor ~ criminal.

Edit, fixed formatting.

[–]knave-arrant 6961 points6962 points  (139 children)

You cannot in one breath decry the evils of sex trafficking and in the next try to influence a judge’s decision on a convicted rapist without being a hypocrite. It’s really as simple as that.

[–]ChiBeerGuy 2804 points2805 points  (26 children)

BTW Thorn is a shit organization, that is anti sex worker, doesn't help actually child trafficking and sells surveillance to the cops.

https://www.engadget.com/2019-05-31-sex-lies-and-surveillance-fosta-privacy.html

[–]ioantha 988 points989 points  (2 children)

Thank you for reiterating this.

I hope THORNS is just as scared about being under public scrutiny as they are about Ashton looking like a twit.

[–]HCSOThrowaway 277 points278 points  (0 children)

I had absolutely no knowledge of THORNS before the Masterson/Kunis/Kutcher affair, other than it was an anti-sex-trafficking charity using Kutcher as a poster boy.

I have heard so much about them in the last few days that I will never have a positive opinion about them again.

[–]zylstrar 183 points184 points  (1 child)

Thanks for the info. It's great that Kutcher's situation is bringing scrutiny to this organization.

[–]bgaesop 307 points308 points  (10 children)

I've been saying this for years and it's only now that reddit doesn't downvote everyone who says that into oblivion

[–]javacat 258 points259 points  (0 children)

You guys ought to watch 'Growing Up In Scientology' on YouTube.

Ashton Kutcher *KNEW* the women who were raped...and he still defended Danny Masterson.

[–]masterspeler 938 points939 points  (25 children)

Thorn and Ashton in particular has lobbied heavily for EU's proposal to circumvent end to end encrypted messaging platforms to save the children.

https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-eu-for-more-surveillance/

[–]thefanciestcat 1291 points1292 points  (46 children)

Here's some generally weird shit about that cast:

These letters. They were written after the convictions. That is lost on some people.

All of this happened while the show was still on the air.

Wilmer Valderrama was 24 when he started dating a 17 year old Lindsay Lohan.

Mila Kunis was 14 when they cast her. She lied about her age to get the job and then instead of recasting her, she had to share her first kiss with a 23 year old Ashton Kutcher.

Ashton Kutcher rushed to defend Joe Paterno after he was fired.

...And people were mad Topher Grace didn't want to come back for more.

[–]RisherdMarglus 574 points575 points  (11 children)

Kutcher was 20, not 23. Changes nothing but just want to state it for the record.

[–]grajl 538 points539 points  (5 children)

Wilmer was also, 20 when dating a 16 year old Mandy Moore and 29 when dating a 17 year old Demi Lovato, the guy had a type.

[–]MixWitch 276 points277 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Valderrama has a very gross history of being in sexual relationships with minors while he very much isn't one.

[–]MunchYourButt 221 points222 points  (0 children)

Demi put out a recent song about this exactly. It’s called “29” lol

[–]snowlock27 173 points174 points  (0 children)

From what I read at the time, Topher didn't really have anything to do with the rest of the cast. He treated it like a job and went home at the end of the day, while the others all hung out together. When Kutcher, Valderama and Masterson all bought a restaurant together, it was pointed out repeatedly that Topher had nothing to do with it or them.

[–]Wemnzxop 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not that it makes anything better but wouldn't Kutcher be 19/20 if she was 14? She's 40 he's 45 rn

[–]GeorgeLovesBOSCO 316 points317 points  (0 children)

After my wife and I spent several days of listening, personal reflection, learning, and conversations with survivors and the employees and leadership at Thorn

Wait, you had to do all that to learn that rapists are bad? Seriously?

[–]Lumpyalien 368 points369 points  (2 children)

Notice how his apology doesn't address Danny's victims, he is just hiding behind a blanket of "all victims".

[–]Elegyjay 173 points174 points  (0 children)

No longer the kind of advocate the organization can raise funds with.

[–]Blasphemous666 706 points707 points  (77 children)

It’s just wild that they didn’t know the full impact of what they were doing with the letters. Sentencing almost always has prosecution presenting victims statements as well as defense calling character witnesses to mitigate the penalties.

I don’t care if a coworker or friend was awesome I knew them. If they’ve been convicted, whether I think they’re guilty or not, I’m not going to bat for them. At that point it becomes not about their reputation but mine.

So many celebrities and others in public eye never think about how something looks.

[–]FoxyInTheSnow 347 points348 points  (18 children)

Think about how many high end actors bleat about the injustice unconscious-child-rapist Roman Polanski has suffered because he’s good at directing. If my best mate was a plumber who was convicted of raping children, I certainly wouldn’t appeal for leniency because he was very good at attaching pipes to other pipes, or whatever plumbers do.

[–]Gabbagooled 261 points262 points  (13 children)

Ohh they just didn't think those letter would make it to the public eye... Their more upset by that then anything else. That apology video was bologna. Wonder how many times they rehearsed it before they felt it was just right

[–]CraZKchick 131 points132 points  (0 children)

They looked more annoyed at having to do it than anything.

[–]KarmaCycle 112 points113 points  (2 children)

Zero. IMHO Mila looked pissed that she had to do it. WTH??

[–]HallandOates1 83 points84 points  (1 child)

I got the impression she knew they had both really f’ed up and their careers were really going to suffer. I mean, it’s not Kevin Spacey level career killer but they needlessly inserted themselves into the story. They’re either really dumb or had no choice. I wonder if their publicists knew about them writing the letters. I just imagine Vinnie Chase’s bad ass PR chick on Entourage saying HELL NO.

[–]Muffin_Appropriate 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I think it's pretty clear they have some dirt in scientology and they were obligated to testify on his behalf. A friendship that long and knowing scientology is known for using "audits" as a way to get dirt, I'd say it's a damn near guarantee they did this out of obligated and knew it would likely come back to haunt them but that the alternative dirt is probably worse to come out.

I have no proof of this but it seems pretty clear to me.

[–]even_less_resistance 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Apparently they didn’t get much time cause they had an Air BnB spot to film shortly after in the same location lol

[–]DefNotUnderrated 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I don't think they rehearsed it at all. If they had they probably would have tried to appear less like they were only doing a video because they absolutely had to.

[–]Literally_-_Hitler 119 points120 points  (8 children)

They actually think that people were upset because they thought they were arguing that the verdict isn't fair and that it's ok because they were actually just asking for him not to be punished for it.

[–]Blasphemous666 106 points107 points  (2 children)

“Come on guys…. You’ve already shown he’s a piece of shit rapist. Does he really need to be punished for it? This is overkill!”

[–]BeeNo3492 155 points156 points  (4 children)

Well thats how that cookie crumbles

[–]excessive_brutality 152 points153 points  (6 children)

people need to stop assuming that celebrities (especially actors for fucksake) are actually the persona they're wearing in public

[–]Sub_pup 667 points668 points  (39 children)

He's just fucking sad it got leaked. Fuck em both for trying to protect a rapist.

[–]Deviate_Taco 288 points289 points  (37 children)

It wasn't just the two of them, it was almost the entire cast minus Eric and Donna I believe.

[–]RevolutionaryCoyote 207 points208 points  (5 children)

Not Mitch Hedberg. That guy kept his mouth shut.

[–]Spend-Automatic 294 points295 points  (3 children)

He used to be dead. He still is, but he used to be too.

[–]WhatamItodonowhuh 117 points118 points  (7 children)

So Kurtwood Smith is pro Masterson?

I can Wilmer doing this, but not Kurtwood!

Edit: Fucking hell. Kurtwood did write one. Damnit. And Wilmer did not.

[–]DoctorPapaJohns 98 points99 points  (4 children)

Yup. And Debra Jo Rupp unfortunately :/

[–]that_guys_posse 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I read both of theirs--something about both of theirs read a little differently than Kutcher/Kunis's.
Rupp and Smith both read, to me, more like they always thought he seemed like a good kid with a good head on his shoulders but, again, IMO, they seemed make it clear that they were aware that they didn't know every single aspect of the guy and mostly knew him in a professional sense (plus I felt like I could tell that both of them were both in shock by the whole thing and hadn't really absorbed everything). (For comparison, Kutcher and Kunis, to me, felt like they were saying 'these allegations/accusers are bullshit and you're stupid if you believe it'--they just had a strong 'fuck this' tone IMO)

That said, after reading several of the letters--honestly, I can get why the people closest to him were shocked or willing to believe it can't be true. Maybe it's due to scientology coaching or something but the guy wasn't just a normal dude in his day to day--it sounded like he tended to go above and beyond in a lot of ways. Rupp talked about him showing up to a show of hers in NYC to support her and somebody talked about him being the only cast member to show up to their graduation ceremony (tbf it was apparently outdoors and hot out) and stuff like that.
Dude is still, obviously, terrible, but I can see why they're shocked/in denial.

[–]TwerkForJesus420 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Damn didn't see the downfall of Ashton Kutcher on my 2023 bingo card

[–]UnbanEyeOfUgin 181 points182 points  (1 child)

Well no shit.

It turns out when you run an organization against sexual abuse of women and kids, then defend someone who does just that, you're not going to run that organization anymore.

Good riddance, fuck rapists and fuck the people defending them.

[–]PolishSausa9e 116 points117 points  (0 children)

Just shows you in what kind of out of touch bubble of a world these people live in.

[–]Known-Programmer-611 46 points47 points  (0 children)

What blackmail does scientology hold over ashton?

[–]Literally_-_Hitler 343 points344 points  (10 children)

He was famously known for saying "no real man has to pay for sex" then supported a man that took sex by force. So clearly he has just been saying stop paying for sex when you can just take it.

[–]julbull73 121 points122 points  (0 children)

Sometimes your friend is a rapist.

Sometimes you shouldn't back your friend if he's a rapist.

YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT BACK YOUR FRIEND AFTER HE'S BEEN CONVICTED OF RAPING!

[–]ManfredsJuicedBalls 49 points50 points  (1 child)

I’ve said it elsewhere. I get Danny is a friend, but there comes a point, especially with a topic like this, where one has to go “man, you fucked up, you’re on your own”, and not vouch for him. Especially when he’s done the work he’s done against trafficking and abuse.

[–]quigleyupunder3 58 points59 points  (0 children)

He and Mila just imploded their whole lives defending a violent and psychotic cult rapist, including the good things they were doing.

[–]jrob321 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Things we've learned thus far: Even when your best friend is convicted of raping someone, step the fuck away...

[–]clashtrack 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Of all people, his response honestly shocked me.