Help save Ontario Science Science

DarthRaspberry · 2023-04-19T16:20:18+00:00

The only perspective on this I haven’t heard is from the Science Centre themselves. Do they want to move? Do they want to stay? I feel like their opinion is probably the most relevant.

Frogenics · 2023-04-19T17:25:12+00:00

I was walking around Ontario Place last summer and there were a lot of people just enjoying it as a park and i personally liked looking at old ruins. at the end of the day my only real problem with this whole thing is i dont trust the fat bastard to do it properly

baronessvonraspberry · 2023-04-19T17:37:37+00:00

The current Science Centre has over One Million visitors per year (according to them) - Students, Tourists, and Members. It provides a valuable resource to where it sits now. The neighbourhood has different housing levels - older apartment buildings and townhomes, but now there's chi chi Condos and even more expensive condos being built where Celestica used to be.

The place is packed during the week and during the colder months of the year on holidays and weekends - despite how tired looking it may be.

I have no doubt the current OSC will be torn down for more multi-million $ condos and never see the light again. Such a shame.

DankRoughly · 2023-04-19T16:18:22+00:00

Let's just have 2 Science Centres.

Toronto is a world class city, isn't it?

Sensitive_Fall8950 · 2023-04-19T16:48:15+00:00

So they’ll close the science center and basically have none because it’ll take years to re-develop Ontario place (if it ever happens)

No-Turnips · 2023-04-19T18:56:10+00:00

I spent almost every weekend there as a child from 7-10. My parents divorced in the 80s and my dad wasn’t sure what to do with me on the weekends. We went to the science centre and each week he’d buy me a rock for my rock collection. As you can guess, we spent a lot of time in the geology area. I love the Ontario Science Centre.

Hot-Worldliness1425 · 2023-04-19T17:33:36+00:00

I went to the science centre with my kids a few years ago. It’s in desperate need of funds to deliver useful programming.

The intent of this post is excellent. This was not designed to be a tourist attraction, it’s a place to support and inspire Ontario’s students. Moving it to the waterfront doesn’t help that mission.

We need to figure out how to get quality leadership in Queen’s Park.

lazarevm · 2023-04-19T22:39:58+00:00

There is a greek proverb : "A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in".

Instead, we have old men cutting down the trees planted by previous generations to make their own house bigger, while leaving everyone else with no shade to sit in.

dembonezz · 2023-04-19T16:40:17+00:00

The tiny amount of space being dedicated to Science Centre at Ontario Place makes it obvious just how much Ford cares about kids learning hands-on. Pods? More like Dinghies.

tiiiki · 2023-04-19T17:33:29+00:00

How long until the next election? This government has already pulled the "Oops it got demolished overnight" on other historical buildings.

gwh811 · 2023-04-19T18:16:29+00:00

Crazy how Doug Ford is destroying Ontario. But it has nothing to do with how we all laughed at his brother being caught smoking crack. And how we learned his family had criminal ties to biker gangs. Or how Doug funneled money through his dads business. We are to believe Doug is just incompetent and doing this cause he’s a conservative and this is conservative ways.

So what is it ? Conservatives are routinely destroying our country/provinces ? Or Doug is on a revenge trip ? Either way this POS needs to be recalled before he does anymore damage. There’s more then enough evidence he’s colluded with out side interests to destroy the greenbelt for profit. He used his daughters stag and doe for personal gain. Yet he faces no repercussions. But you know liberals are so bad. And NDP where no where near a choice to vote…….. So please explain how we are better off with this state puff marshmallow as a premier ? Cause our future and our kids future seems real fucking bleak right about now. And the only people who seem to have a good outlook are developers, investors and the rich.

Mission_Paramount · 2023-04-19T16:58:50+00:00

Who making money off of this decision? Cause it seems to stupid to be a good decision.

Somethingpretty007 · 2023-04-19T17:29:09+00:00

Remember when Southern Ontario voted for Ford while the majority of Northern, Western, Eastern voted for NDP?

jakemoffsky · 2023-04-19T22:54:21+00:00

But Dougie probably already took the bribes from his developer buddies for the land. He can't go back now.

Hopfit46 · 2023-04-19T17:08:42+00:00

Our healthcare is on fire and he wants to invest our money in this so his developer buddies can build a more profitable tourist trap?!! Are they going to house homeless people in the old building? Nope, sold to developers as well.

canopystudio · 2023-04-19T18:30:13+00:00

When I first heard the idea several weeks ago, I was leaning towards this being a good idea, but the more and more I learned about this, and after Doug Ford said it would be a much smaller space, I'm definitely in the camp of keeping it where it is.

I see benefits of the Ontario Place location, although it's not a big/obvious win for me. I think OSC being part of the Don Valley ravine gives it a unique look into the biodiversity portion of science that would be equally important to me if the new location would explore the biodiversity of Lake Ontario in return.

What killed this for me is the smaller space. I loved the OSC's size as a kid growing up. It felt like you could never explore it all in one day, and its material was targeted to a wider audience than most science centres I've visited in other cities, which cater more to the 8-15 crowd. In comparison, even as an adult, I feel like OSC brings tremendous value. The much smaller space being proposed is most definitely going to mean OSC won't have the luxury of catering to such a wide audience, and is one of the main differentiators to me why I loved OSC so much more than other science centres around the world.

JeahNotSlice · 2023-04-19T19:45:48+00:00

I FUCKING LOVE THE ONTARIO SCIENCE CENTRE

drakenloverrr · 2023-04-19T23:58:51+00:00

I hate Doug ford tbh

ThrowRA-James · 2023-04-20T00:27:05+00:00

The science centre is prime real estate for Ford donors. What else are they going to move? Fire stations? That’s exactly the storyline of Backdraft.

pacey494 · 2023-04-19T19:16:16+00:00

Getting to Ontario Place if you don't own a car is simply awful. The fact it doesn't have a subway stop blows my mind, but maybe in 30 years? [edit: spelling]

Deadpool2715 · 2023-04-20T01:14:41+00:00

The new science center must be built first before this one is even scheduled to be torn down. I have 0 faith in the Ontario government otherwise

Hellion639 · 2023-04-19T19:47:45+00:00

Has anyone ever taken one look at Doug Ford a d thought "Yeah, this guy cares about STEM?" He's probably gonna tear down the location and sell the land to his real estate wranglers. Yet another reason why the OPC is a threat to the province.

Talnoy · 2023-04-19T19:58:29+00:00

It's going to be bulldozed for condos.

Really overpriced condos. Guaranteed.

gcerullo · 2023-04-19T21:43:41+00:00

As a teacher I can't imagine carting 30 students across those stupid foot bridges because the parking is a mile away

LlamaJamaDingDong · 2023-04-20T03:00:14+00:00

the science center property was already lost to a developer during the toonie toss at Dougie’s daughters stag n’ doe.

Virtual_Ball6 · 2023-04-19T23:03:42+00:00

If their intentions were good and just this would've been planned for YEARS. Instead, EVERYONE finds out at some bullshit hearing. I see exuberantly expensive condos or apartments where the Science Centre should remain.

AdIndependent4134 · 2023-04-19T16:02:35+00:00

They built a freaking LRT station for the Science Centre! Now it’s going to be moved the middle of nowhere, only accessible to those with cars???

SCP-093-RedTest · 2023-04-19T21:18:20+00:00

? What's posting this thing going to do to help? Are there any actual specific steps we can take to actively oppose this decision?

holyfuckricky · 2023-04-20T00:03:35+00:00

I hope they build condos on the land.

Because Toronto needs more condos.

Silicon_Knight · 2023-04-19T23:20:12+00:00

No. I want to see a commitment to actually rebuilt it somewhere else. PERIOD. Until I see that, dollars allocated, etc... this all fucking BS and we should be against it. I recall so many years going there and being amazed by technology perhaps it's one of the reason I went into software development. Its something that many of us recall, be it that "food" thing where we filled out a punch card about food or the static electricity generator making peoples hair stand up, kids are not interested yet in fucking Quantum Mechanics and particle entanglement we need people be interested. GIVE ME A FUCKING PLAN otherwise you're just speaking bull shit to get votes. :1900:

penny4thm · 2023-04-19T21:16:00+00:00

This whole thing could just be to distract from the spa plan at Ontario Place which was already controversial.

StrangeloveSkater · 2023-04-19T22:05:49+00:00

Young Sheldon is the op

PunkBobPlaidPants · 2023-04-20T08:45:13+00:00

In Doug’s defence, he doesn’t know what it was built for, or what it does, or who goes there, or where it is.

obscureposter · 2023-04-19T18:30:37+00:00

If people were honest with themselves, the science centre is not really anything special. I doubt anyone one complaining actually has gone recently. It’s fairly barebones and wouldn’t be a huge loss if moved somewhere else. People are literally just hating because Doug Ford is involved. The science centre is literally as replaceable as it comes.

The bigger issue would be is this where we want government funds going to when we have bigger issues to tackle and I don’t think a revitalization of Ontario place should be a priority.

YourBestBudPingu · 2023-04-19T18:42:28+00:00

Nooooooo If this happens I will be so sad..

This place is a big part of my childhood and shouldn't be packed into one big mush of buildongs on the harbor!

I hate this Dougs guy policy soooo much. Get rid of something else to make housing. This cannot be the ONLY option to make room.

AndyThePig · 2023-04-19T19:43:14+00:00

Obviously everyone's entitled to their opinion.

But couldn't it be argued that it's easier for many other people to get to if it's in the downtown centre (or at least closer to it than it is now)?

I always went to it by school bus *those go downtown too). It's accessible by TTC. But at Ontario place it would be accessible by TTC, GO Train, and a major highway. I'm just wondering if it would get more visitors from Mississauga, Niagara, and even psefs north, etc.

It IS educational. But it is not a school, nor is it affiliated with one specific one. It IS to some degree a tourist attraction, and that shouldn't be denied or ignored. It can be - and many around the world ARE - both!

For the record, I always have, and always will cast my votes against DoFo. I despise the man, and anyone who carries that name, and have zero respect for them. I have zero faith that he'll do anything good AROUND this project (housing, etc.). But the idea of moving the Science Centre itself is not a bad one to my mind. It at least deserves more investigation. There is a lot to fight DoFo on. Let's pick our battles.

BustyMicologist · 2023-04-19T16:27:23+00:00

This is pretty weak I’m sorry to say. The Ontario Science Centre IS a tourist attraction and arguing it isn’t just makes you look foolish and the new location should generally be easier for most people to access so I would remove that argument as well. Focus more on the actual problems with the proposal (new facility is smaller, flemingdon park benefits from having the science centre nearby, the building is iconic and part of a dwindling number of impressive brutalist buildings in Toronto [and Canada for that matter, there’s no love for brutalism these days], etc.) and less on silly statements.

For the record I think the new science centre looks good but I’d prefer it if the government kept the old one around in some form, either by having both facilities operational or converting it into a community centre or a different attraction.

VisibleAd3180 · 2023-04-19T18:39:06+00:00

Moving it grants access to more Torontonians.

PoetOfTragedy · 2023-04-19T18:52:14+00:00

I loved the science centre growing up, im 20 now and I still love it. I’m not even in a stem related career but it’s fuelled my curiosity since I was a child. I honestly enjoy it more than the ROM.

flutterbyeater · 2023-04-19T19:14:45+00:00

(grunting fat man noises) ‘lets jus cram this in the greenbelt bag…’ ooof ooof

No_Growth257 · 2023-04-19T20:14:05+00:00

This sub will complain about anything Ford does, this province desperately needs housing and the Science Center has been dying for years.

twobelowpar · 2023-04-19T21:16:44+00:00

What the hell’s so great about its current location??

-Boxpusher- · 2023-04-19T22:39:52+00:00

I heard a rumour a little while ago that the Ontario Science Center is going to be repurposed as a casino. Let's wait and see what happened shall we?

The_lushusmojo · 2023-04-20T01:22:08+00:00

I think it’s a shame, a lot of schools use this as an educational trip for students I know as a kid we went there lots of times but I’m just wondering with the extended drive and already horrific traffic how many activities and days are going to be cut short due to traffic timing. Getting down to lakeshore is already enough of a pain in the ass let alone adding droves of school busses into the mix. Just another inconvenience to the average person that dougie and friends don’t have to deal with.

ColdAmoeba · 2023-04-20T03:01:24+00:00

Watch as soon as it gets designated as a heritage building, a "mysterious fire" will break out and destroy it "beyond repair"

OkJuggernaut7127 · 2023-04-20T11:36:56+00:00

Remember when they hosted that retro 90s concert? I believe Toronto's very own Prozzak was the headliner 😁❤️

OriginalFit · 2023-04-20T12:51:14+00:00

I think the current place is perfect. Moving such a beautiful and wonderful building to new location is absurd. I support NOT to move it but ti renovate it and upgrade it.

gcerullo · 2023-04-20T13:33:28+00:00

Interview this morning on CBC Metro Morning

@metromorning

“Talking to Professor Summer from UofT about Science Centre being torn down & moved to OP, notes the Moriyama designed Science Centre shouldn't be torn down. Newer isn't always better. Let's repair and creatively reuse what exists. #topoli #Onpoli

If we thought of cities the way we do these heritage buildings, every city would look like Las Vegas. Neglect has led us here, it's worth investing to keep buildings like these. Prof doubts the Science Centre at OP will be better.

The Science Centre has interesting relationships with its surrounding, a symbiotic relationship with the buildings & landscape which will be very hard to recreate. (Sounds like the current Ontario Place!)

Prof notes housing can be built on the parking lots of the existing Science Centre. The idea that housing could work on more of the OSC ravine site is highly questionable.

We should be reinvesting in what we've already made, transit is going to the Science Centre now. The Science Centre is special and could never be built the way it is today. Down tear it down!

Prof notes the building he occupies has been reused many times over its 125 year life. Prof is highly skeptical that the Science Centre at OP would be anywhere near the quality of the OSC. There just isn't the same space there, being used to justify MegaSpa at OP. #topoli #onpoli

Calls the moving of the Science Centre to OP a distraction from the MegaSpa at Ontario Place. Pretty sure the Prof is right”

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