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[–]DoodooMonke 6554 points6555 points  (248 children)

"Pop music is so generic and formulaic that AI can make more of it" sounds funnier

[–]WhenTheDevilCome 1661 points1662 points  (109 children)

"100 monkeys in a room could write books as good as what our company publishes. Regulation is needed for the congregating of monkeys."

[–]Androzanitox 591 points592 points  (22 children)

It was the best of times it was the blurst of times????!!!!

[–]cleeder 131 points132 points  (5 children)

Stupid monkey!

[–]roflcopter44444 40 points41 points  (11 children)

Wow I thought I was the only one who remembers I Am Weasel

[–]Randall-Flagg22 74 points75 points  (5 children)

I Am Weasel

i dont' know what that is but the quote was from The Simpsons

[–]dragonmp93 26 points27 points  (3 children)

I think that there was also a variation of the joke with I.R. Baboon.

[–]boxette 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I.R. Baboon is star of cartoon

[–]dave_jetze 15 points16 points  (1 child)

You dont need pants for the victory dance

[–]DrPepper86 3 points4 points  (0 children)

'cause I.R.'s better than Weasel

[–]Sopa24 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Wasn't the character name I.M Weasel?

[–]Its_aTrap 17 points18 points  (0 children)

No youre thinking of I.R. Baboon

[–]TotalBlissey 234 points235 points  (65 children)

Legit though, I have studied music theory and most modern pop music is the same 3-4 things in various orders for 2 minutes

[–]point_breeze69 122 points123 points  (16 children)

https://youtu.be/5pidokakU4I

Sometimes it’s better to explain something with a song!

[–]Owyn_Merrilin 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Oh no. That's outdated. Modern pop songs have less distinct notes in their melodies than there are chords in that progression.

[–]Ummyeaaaa 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That was fun! Thanks for sharing.

[–]Uranus_Hz 13 points14 points  (5 children)

There are other songs where the lyrics explicitly tell you the formula.

one you probably haven’t heard that expertly dissects the “boy band formula”

And one you definitely have heard

[–]Aoiboshi 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's all Pachelbel's Canon

[–]milesedgeworth89 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?! You stupid monkey!"

[–]allgonetoshit 62 points63 points  (10 children)

I heard that's how they came up with Twilight.

[–]LeroyWankins 34 points35 points  (4 children)

WHAT YEAR IS IT

[–]pegaunisusicorn 27 points28 points  (3 children)

which paranormal teenage romance should one make fun of now in order to be topical and relevant?

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I heard that's how they came up with Morbius.

[–]Zamers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's crazy talk... Some could say it's straight up batty

[–]DoodooMonke 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Imagine Shakespeare suing infinite monkeys

[–]FriesWithThat 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Popular artist have threatened the AI Music Industry for the last decade, so it's only fair.

[–]BerserkOlaf 120 points121 points  (6 children)

There was a pretty bad argument of the sort some time ago where professional photographers wanted to forbid amateurs from sharing their pics for free on the internet.

Because, you know, since smartphones, everyone is basically an amateur photographer (and it's not a problem, anyone can do what they want for a hobby). But those pro saw it as "unfair competition".

Man, if you, as a professional with all the experience and technique, can't manage to get the quality of your work recognized, even against random people just having fun... That's not a good sign of how useful you personally are, and it's nobody's job to make you relevant.

[–]SprucedUpSpices 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Man, if you, as a professional with all the experience and technique, can't manage to get the quality of your work recognized, even against random people just having fun... That's not a good sign of how useful you personally are, and it's nobody's job to make you relevant.

But if your collective has enough potential votes to cast, you can probably convince a politician to hold the rest of the population back just so you can have a monopoly. Maybe give the politician a few donations or a high paying position in a company within the sector.

[–]AreWeNotDoinPhrasing 14 points15 points  (2 children)

And here kids, is how the modern American Corporatocracy was born.

[–]magistrate101 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Every time I see the words "corporatocracy" or "oligarchy" I am reminded of an old, fun flash game called "Oiligarchy" in which you play an oil baron trying to suck the world dry. You can donate money for elections to both sides, and depending on how much you donate the president appoints a varying number of oil-friendly advisors that help push oil-friendly legislation (or environmentally-friendly legislation if you don't donate enough). Eventually that's not enough for you though so you set up shop in a third world country whose government you can depose in order to gain more access to oil deposits. Every once in a while you have to pay them to round up the "rebels" for execution. And there's so much more that reveals how awful the political system is. I recommend everyone trying it out, though it requires either installing the Ruffle extension to enable flash (it's an emulator for flash that converts it into JavaScript and HTML5) or downloading the swf file and running it with a flash projector (you can get the official one from some Adobe still).

[–]HealthyBox5 97 points98 points  (8 children)

Y'all got a 4 chord song yet?

[–]JMEEKER86 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Everyone needs a 4 chord song.

[–]selfbound 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Let me get this straight Chicken Little, What you saying is you can take 4 chords and repeat them and recreate every pop song ever?

[–]Otis_Inf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Am C F G
Now give me the money please

[–]timeshifter_ 141 points142 points  (52 children)

The funny thing is, working at Walmart, listening to Walmart Radio for 9 hours a day, I'm not sure if half of the music played is AI-created or human-created, but for the same reason: it's nonsensical. So many of the songs we're subjected to have no internal thematic consistency; it legitimately feels like somebody said "I want a song that has this, this, and this, and to hell with how they're supposed to connect!" Songs do a complete 180 in their feel, for no reason at all, and then just... end. Or they essentially turn into entirely different songs for a bit... hey wait a sec, when did Justin Bieber become a big name? Because that one song of his (yeah, you know the one, baby) actually describes what I've noticed perfectly. If somebody told me that all radio pop music songs in the past 15 years were written by an AI, I honestly wouldn't be able to develop a compelling argument against it. Structurally disjointed, thematically inconsistent, lacking any lyrical or musical "point" other than to exist...

You know, this actually explains a lot, doesn't it?

[–]chezze 90 points91 points  (16 children)

well it does not help that 50% of all pop music is written/made by one swedish guy for the past 20 years

[–]GreatCornolio 19 points20 points  (10 children)

What's the story behind this? Never heard of it

[–]Kramtomat 44 points45 points  (0 children)

He might be referring to Max Martin, but there are a couple of other swedes in the pop music scene such as Peter Swartling, Andreas Carlsson, Bagge & Peer, and more.

[–]SkrullandCrossbones 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Think it’s the guy who wrote Britney’s “Hit me baby one more time”. He thought it was a common phrase in America iirc.

[–]mrkushnugz 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Oh baby baby how was I supposed to know

[–]CatGatherer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He meant "hit me back" or "hit me up," but he wasn't great at English yet and didn't understand the colloquialism.

[–]You_Will_Die 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He shortened the phrase "hit me up" as in "call me" to make it fit the melody better without realising the meaning was lost. He did not think people actually said "hit me" in America.

[–]chezze 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Top 100 Songs that Got Produced by the Same Person (Max Martin) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZT-7OF36Uk&list=RDEMnGuXOHWt3DXMLDdpPXo_dQ&start_radio=1&ab_channel=Redlist

And this vid is 4 years old. so i guess you can add 20-30 songs to it. hehe

[–]Cmin7b5 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Look up Max Martin. He's a genius

[–]b-roc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You mean this scene from “under the silver lake” is based on a true story!?

[–]koalawhiskey 23 points24 points  (16 children)

I heard a song in the gym the other day that I'm 100% sure that was composed by an AI, the latest success by the Black Eyed Peas, Shakira and David Guetta:

Don't you worry Don't you worry 'bout a thing 'Cause everything's gonna be alright (repeat 10 times over generic pop-electro beats)

You cannot be more generic than this.

[–]jai151 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Isn’t that basically just Three Little Birds by Bob Marley?

[–]elictronic 25 points26 points  (2 children)

The music that has been selected has likely gone through thousands of hours of AB testing to determine which sounds increase sales while also lowering hostility of customers. Whatever effects the bottom line.

Those disjointed sections might actually drive consumers to be more focused, break off of their initial goal and wander, or any of a number of different scenarios. Sadly, your just stuck listening to crap.

[–]DerKeksinator 8 points9 points  (0 children)

From what i've seen on reddit, they should focus on "reducing the hostility of customers" more.

[–]DMC1001 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m waiting for AI generated movies to threaten Hollywood. Not that it’s necessary since they just recycle the same stuff over and over again.

[–]koalawhiskey 17 points18 points  (1 child)

And it's not like the music is that important in the pop industry. Just turn an attractive person into a persona catered to please a certain demographic, invest a bunch in PR and marketing, and you have a success.

[–]thatnameagain 39 points40 points  (18 children)

The article is not about AI-generated music but rather AI music manipulation tools.

[–]AlteredStatesOf 45 points46 points  (17 children)

No it's about using copyrighted music to teach the AI

[–]jk_scowling 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I thought home taping was killing music?

[–]34TH_ST_BROADWAY 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I'm guessing they could tear it up in the classical and jazz realm, too. Compose some truly ground breaking shit.

[–]RockyBalbroah 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This is an idiotic, outdated trope. AI can generate an oil panting in the style of Van Gogh, or in realism, of Kirk VanHousen running the cracker factory. Just did it. This can easily beat wonderwall.

[–]angryshark 767 points768 points  (54 children)

Are they looking for sympathy from us, who they've threatened and sued, or the musicians they shit on?

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points  (0 children)

No other industry is so aggressive as the music industry. I'd rather try my luck with copying Nintendo games 1:1, than trying to make a song that may slightly resemble a song that already exists. The music industry is more likely to sue you. The soundtrack dvd of a movie is often more expensive that the blueray of the movie itself. The music industry can fuck itself.

[–]FartingBob 110 points111 points  (47 children)

This threatens the artists more than the record companies, because it's the record companies that will pump out a million songs in every genre. Artists will continue to depend on touring to make money and having to market themselves well, but this tech won't just be limited to generic pop. AI can already make beautiful classical music, it can already make vocals in almost every style you can think of.

[–]tankfox 85 points86 points  (34 children)

Why would I need a pre-recorded song with a copyright burden if I can just ask my music ai to make a pleasant derivative of the copyrighted song whenever I wanted?

'Alexa play "standing outside the fire" but make it a reggae in the style of UB40'

[–]regoapps 52 points53 points  (13 children)

"The AI music generator requires a subscription to Amazon Music Prime Plus AI Max. Would you like to subscribe for $19.99 a month?" - Alexa

[–]HerbertWest 30 points31 points  (9 children)

"The AI music generator requires a subscription to Amazon Music Prime Plus AI Max. Would you like to subscribe for $19.99 a month?" - Alexa

Nah, open source stuff is already out of Pandora's box at this point. You could use it now if you wanted to, especially for image generation.

[–]Mysticpoisen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm trying really hard to think of literally anything the RIAA doesn't view as a threat.

[–]CatchingRays 809 points810 points  (64 children)

Wait until they see my movie Score generator. It takes the images on the screen and automates instrument & notes based on character, lighting, movement and mood aim.

[–]HangryWolf 122 points123 points  (9 children)

Jokes on you. My movie is a comedy with dramatic depressive French film lighting and film grain. Try to figure that one out Robot! HA!

[–]JohnathonLongbottom 226 points227 points  (36 children)

Any sort of score writing would beat out todays production studios. They are literally just recycling everything from 30 years ago.

[–]AndByMeIMeanFlexxo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I’d just settle for not having to work the goddamn volume 50 times per movie

[–]B_Street 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Hey now! I’m a film composer! Don’t come for me, please. 🙏

[–]CatchingRays 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I have no programming or musical ability at all. This was just an idea. John Williams, Danny Elfman, Hans, and you are all safe.

[–]B_Street 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Phew! Haha, Sounds good. (But if you figure it out, I’ll admit I’d be scared but impressed!)

[–]Mr_Hu-Man 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hate to say it, but it’s only a matter of time. My idea for you: get on top of the tech and stay on top of it NOW, so then when new tools become available you can implement them into your business to either 10x your output or just make your life easier. Slowly add more tools and adapt, because once the wave starts there ain’t any stopping it! (I’m not happy about that by the way, just being pragmatic)

[–]spock_block 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Camera rises over a dark cityscape, but the cityscape is a reflection in a puddle and a foot steps in it

the score: BWAAAAAAA

Oscar please

[–]redderStranger 2008 points2009 points  (138 children)

The only thing it threatens is the Record Labels ability to gatekeep and collect a toll between a musician and their audience

[–]I_Mix_Stuff 346 points347 points  (36 children)

well, the title says it threatens the industry, not music itself

[–]_one_lucky_redditor 236 points237 points  (34 children)

I remember when they said Napster and mp3s threatened the industry, too. Unfortunately, they survived.

[–]And_yet_here_we_are 112 points113 points  (8 children)

Every new innovation was going to "kill" the music industry, all the way back to when recorded music was invented.

[–]dragonmp93 64 points65 points  (6 children)

Don't forget that Video Killed The Radio Star.

[–]Ozlin 38 points39 points  (5 children)

Video kills radio. Napster kills video. Streaming kills Napster. YouTube revives video. ... woman inherits Earth?

[–]vazark 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Lmao. This reminds of the scene from Bojack where lawmakers actually passed gun control laws when it seemed like women were advocating for it as an expression of liberty.

So what I’m saying they’ll probably step in at the last step of the process

[–]Destrina 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of the time when noted noted Republican Shitbaton Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party of California passed gun control laws because black people were arming themselves to protect themselves and their neighborhoods.

[–]Rockburgh 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I mean, at this point we're approaching the stage of "cheap mocap raises the radio star from the dead."

...less literally than that could be interpreted to imply, though.

[–]Socky_McPuppet 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think it was tape cassettes that finally killed the music industry off for good in the early 80's, and why there has been no more music since then - the great rhythm mines, the melody refineries and the note mills of the past - all shut down, and the workers ... all shot. Very sad.

[–]GhostHeavenWord 30 points31 points  (2 children)

They threw a fit about CDs, tried to get CD writers made illegal, freaked out about cassette tapes, and probably took a few swings at radio just for fun. They've whined and kvetched about every innovation since the invention of commercial radio and every time things have gotten worse for listerners and musicians and vastly more profitable for the record industry.

Far past time we shoved them all in to a wood chipper and let musicians record their own music and release it directly to fans.

[–]WhatIfThatThingISaid 35 points36 points  (11 children)

Profits are half what they were in 2000 and people barely pay for music anymore...

[–]Intrexa 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Can you source that? From what I quickly found, right now they're at 2/3rds revenue of 2000.

https://www.statista.com/chart/17244/us-music-revenue-by-format/

[–]Torifyme12 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Tbf they're also no longer selling Jewel cases with singles. Yeah. ofc profits are down.

[–]mostnormal 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Just waitll you hear what people will pay for concert tickets.

[–]Atello 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Hey, the execs had no choice, they need more yachts!

[–]dragonmp93 7 points8 points  (0 children)

For the artist, you mean, the record labels are even richer now.

[–]tacodepollo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah but alot of good labels didn't. Just like alot of good labels couldn't survive the streaming revolution. These things can absolutely be fatal for those small niche labels who give a stage to small honest artists who wouldn't have gotten one otherwise.

Source: product manager and a&r for an indie house label back in the 2010's.

[–]Maximum_Poet_8661 88 points89 points  (14 children)

Opposite if anything, Record Labels would pull in stupendous amounts of money if AI music became popular because they could corner the market on the best quality of it without even needing to pay for artists.

[–]Sparkleton 78 points79 points  (12 children)

They would have AI generate millions of songs a day then trademark all of them and copyright strike any human music that sounded similar.

[–]Annon201 72 points73 points  (7 children)

All 8 note/12 beat melodies are public domain because someone algorithmicly generated every single possible one and released the entire collection under a creative commons zero licence..

[–]council2022 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Yeah too bad that won't worth for dirivative works. Say you add lyrics or changes to that as your own song derived from the public work. If everything is public domain you couldn't keep someone from using same melody with different words and theirs be a hit and yours not. No way to get any justice. Or claim to the derivative.

[–]Annon201 12 points13 points  (3 children)

That's exactly what happened with baby shark.. Pink Fong doesn't own the words or melody to baby shark.

They do own both the audio and video composition + the recordings thereof though, along with the characters, animation and artwork.

And recently the streamer Ludwig hired an orchestra and recorded a bunch of classical pieces that had no public domain recordings just to solve that problem.

[–]Flying_Nacho 7 points8 points  (0 children)

that's so fucking rad

[–]Solonotix 145 points146 points  (41 children)

I'm just imagining a service like the Library of Babel, where instead of recording your song, you just share the hash that computes the audio pattern and people look it up.

[–]Largerthanabreadbox 78 points79 points  (10 children)

If only there was a little computer package in a variety of playable formats that could contain and play music without needing computing power and research and artists could even distribute them however they see fit! But since nothing like that exists yeah feeding a computer a hash to generate a song makes sense

[–]nox66 24 points25 points  (11 children)

Due to information theory, the hash would have to be at least somewhat similar in size to the song itself.

[–]Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Plus, 99.999999...% of hashes just lead to white noise. Library of babel stuff is fun, but useless. You have to already know exactly what you are looking for.

[–]nox66 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What would be really cool that I'm hoping we'll see in the future is AI-based data compression. You could get all of the benefits of an advanced upscaler like Topaz AI by default, as AI-type algorithms probably produce much better base models. It'd probably result in smaller file sizes for formats like 4K HDR.

[–]Disastrous_Elk_6375 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Not necessarily. You could have a large model like "stable diffusion" does for pics, that "generates" a song from a prompt and a seed.

[–]Acrobatic-Parsnip-32 38 points39 points  (9 children)

Literally. Record companies already killed anything good about the industry

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Oh noooo we can't just sit on our arses collecting money while other people do creative things with music we didn't personally write, perform or record any more wahhhh

[–]thatnameagain 25 points26 points  (8 children)

It doesn't even threaten that.

Tell any real musician that they should be concerned because there's only now going to be too much cheap and easy competition for them to keep up with and they will laugh their ass off.

[–]Soupdeloup 336 points337 points  (25 children)

"____ says AI ______ generators threaten _____ industry" also works

[–]Nixavee 141 points142 points  (12 children)

"OpenAI says AI AI generators threaten AI industry"

[–]MIBCraftHD 30 points31 points  (7 children)

Honestly might happen at some point

[–]Kailoi 15 points16 points  (2 children)

It's called the singularity. :)

[–]durandal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Most underappreciated scenario, even now (or especially now, as we are really close on the humanity timeline).

[–]Basic_Description_56 38 points39 points  (1 child)

You’re threatening the headline industry with that

[–]Electronic_Side786 43 points44 points  (4 children)

Sex ceo, sex, sex

[–]anonpls 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, pretty much works just fine.

[–]TriggerHydrant 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This guy sex

[–]TheBitingCat 11 points12 points  (1 child)

PENIS says AI PENIS generators threaten PENIS industry.

I mean, I have seen some stable diffusion porn, and I'm sure there's a dick out there trying to stop it from taking their job away somewhere.

[–]hamsterwheel 667 points668 points  (147 children)

Maybe to ultra generic music that labels rely on. But musical art by humans is far from dead

[–]TitualSacrifice 207 points208 points  (37 children)

Not to mention there will always be a market for live music and live performances, something that AIs can’t exactly do (yet, I guess).

[–]Daimakku1 173 points174 points  (19 children)

[laughs in Hatsune Miku]

[–]cakeKudasai 91 points92 points  (10 children)

It still is not an AI generated performance. A human makes her do stuff. I would love to see an AI generated performance though, the initial attempts would be hilarious.

[–]council2022 8 points9 points  (8 children)

There had it do entire symphony pieces all ready. These labels also feel if it trains on their artists eventually what it writes will be better removing a huge market. Because in 20-30 years it will.

[–]cakeKudasai 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I meant the movement part. Not the music, but the dancing and performing on stage part. Those would be hilarious at first. I do believe the music part is already beyond the hilarious stage.

[–]therealwavingsnail 14 points15 points  (2 children)

She's a cool gimmick, but you can't really accuse her of taking over the live performance market.

[–]EruantienAduialdraug 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I mean, if by gimmick you mean massively popular musical instrument, then yes.

Also live Miku gigs are a thing. Live band on stage accompanying a recorded hologram and voice.

[–]APeacefulWarrior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that was more Sharon Apple's thing.

[–]Rum____Ham 56 points57 points  (12 children)

But musical art by humans is far from dead

If you mean that humans will continue to create art, then yes. If you mean that AI will not be able to create complex, creative music, then you are wrong.

[–]Tofuloaf 22 points23 points  (7 children)

There was an episode of radiolab about ai generated music where they closed with Jad playing music generated by an ai trained on Mahler, Robert's favourite composer. Robert is so confident at first that no computer could generate music that would come close to anything Mahler had composed, and you can just hear his heart sinking in his voice as within seconds of the music starting, he realises it does actually sound like something Mahlermight have composed. This was years ago so I can only assume ai generated music is more advanced now.

[–]chiniwini 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Yeah, people shitting on pop music (like the current top comment) from their super high horse, and being confident the oh so complex and tasteful music they listen to can't be generated by an AI algorithm don't know what AI is or how it works.

Like algorithms haven't already generated paintings in the style of the best painters of history.

[–]Chrisazy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's going to be a very strange arms race at some point, where human artists naturally tend toward more eclectic art styles that AI has a harder time emulating, until it can, and they both move on

[–]merkwerk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, these people sound exactly like the ones who were saying AI would never be able to create paintings that are close to or surpass what humans can do...and then an AI generated image won an art show and they all started moaning about how unfair it was.

https://www.creativebloq.com/news/ai-art-wins-competition

Human beings are so egotistical lol.

[–]dookiehat 34 points35 points  (11 children)

As an artist who went to school for illustration and is obsessed with stable diffusion, get ready. AI is moving fast as fuck, and only accelerating. Some music will be inhuman sounding, but it will be completely new, completely new instruments will be created and musicians will use these tools to curate and cocreate music. If there are things that the human doesn’t like about the song there will be fine grained tools to change it, whether it be changing something about the genre, timbre, melody, etc. I’m most excited for superhuman singing abilities.

Software is very close to being autogenerated by software which will accelerate things further, there are almost 5k machine learning papers coming out every month now and the curve is starting to tilt vertical soon.

[–]MartyMcFly7 285 points286 points  (70 children)

I bet, in the future, you will be able to say, "Computer, show me a movie about XYZ," and AI will write the script, compose the score, compile the images, and deliver an original piece.
You'll be able to watch movies where you and your partner are always the stars and every story is unique.

[–][deleted] 170 points171 points  (16 children)

What if you're already the AI composing the movie of your life?

[–]Ricketier 46 points47 points  (1 child)

This guys asking the real questions

[–]InterludeRenewed 45 points46 points  (3 children)

If that’s the case someone please feed me a different prompt because the plot’s really meandering

[–]sausage-superiority 17 points18 points  (1 child)

“Then, quite unexpectedly, giant mushrooms erupted from the ground all around them.”

There you go. Have fun

[–]HCResident 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Then you will shed a single AI tear

[–]ProfessorRGB 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It took me far too long to realize that my life had an unreliable narrator.

[–]dragonmp93 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So the grandpa of the Holodeck.

[–]KDamage 28 points29 points  (23 children)

Absolutely. This future is being written right now, and as always, some will adapt and still surf on, others will crumble behind. We've seen it lately with picture generation ais, tomorrow it will be movies, music, virtual spaces, etc. Tech progress can never be stopped, even if it has pros and cons. In the end the only winner is popularity. We witnessed it with every major tech progress, fire, electricity, cars, radio, television, smartphones, ai, all of these did have its share of refusal, but eventually became a part of our life.

edit : for ai, we can already see it with r/aiArt, people who never thought they could be creating art are actually having tremendously fun times, some even discovering what old times would have called a "creative gift". Someone I read on Reddit had an interesting comment about it : AI generation is a form of skill comparable to being a writer.

I've been drawing in my childhood, teen, and sometimes in my current adult life, and was always frustrated when I heard people saying "I wish I could do that", because I don't think it's a "gift", but rather a will to focus on something you really enjoy (like sports). As long as you wipe out the gatekeeping made up by elitism, you're building skills step by step, eventually leading to satisfaction, and then concrete results.

Now AI is unlocking this creative freedom for basically anyone who simply wants to dream. Creativity and inspiration are essential for the mind... so I very welcome a tool that can give it to more people.

[–]kaptainkeel 9 points10 points  (0 children)

even if it has pros and cons

Some more than others. I'm looking at gaming in particular. Nowadays AAA games easily involve hundreds, often 1,000+ or multiple thousands, of people working on a single game. That creates its own issues such as coordination and making everything created by those 1,000+ people actually work together coherently with little to no conflicts/issues.

With AI, it'd make that far, far simpler. The way I see it in the future (certainly not in the next few years, but let's say like 15-20) there'd be an AI used for each element of the game. Describe a character and an AI outputs a model. Describe a building and it outputs a building. Provide a background and description of what you want and it outputs a narrative. Even better when we get hardware powerful enough to do this kind of stuff in real-time (e.g. generate a house, then fine-tune it by saying to increase the floor space by 20% and it does it in 1-2 seconds). Real-time dynamic responses from NPCs rather than pre-written responses. Dynamic quest generation. And a general AI that oversees all of these different sub-AIs to make sure they work together in a sensible way.

There will still be the human element to fine-tune the AI and make modifications to what is created, but it could greatly reduce the number of people needed for a modern game.

[–]HermanCainsGhost 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm engaging with art and art styles in a way I hadn't until relatively recently. I knew of some artists, and some art styles and periods, but when you're like, "I really want to make something look cool", you need to dig into the depths and learn how to use the prompts.

Same with text generation too.

[–]djarvis77 283 points284 points  (31 children)

Too bad for the artists, but overall, fuck the music industry.

[–]Balls_DeepinReality 90 points91 points  (6 children)

They’ll just throw a bunch of money at AI

It’s the equivalent of crying wolf

[–]MystikIncarnate 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Ehhh. This might affect the over-manufactured pop artists. But anyone writing largely their own stuff, won't really give a damn.

The people this affects the most are the record label execs that manufacture pop artists.

I'm not saying all pop music is overly manufactured, nor that they're the only ones affected, just that's the majority of the folks who will be put out by it.

Not sure why they don't leverage AI to replace full jobs at record labels already.

[–]Dwarf-Eater 63 points64 points  (2 children)

What they really dont want you to know is an AI wrote this article

[–]ArchonStranger 104 points105 points  (10 children)

"Record labels say the introduction of the eight track threaten the music industry."

"Record labels say the introduction of the cassette threaten the music industry."

"Record labels say the introduction of the cd threaten the music industry."

"Record labels say the introduction of the mp3 threaten the music industry."

"Record labels say the introduction of the streaming service threaten the music industry."

"Record labels say the introduction of the AI Music Generators threaten the music industry."

[–]metadatame 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Broken record labels

[–]2074red2074 34 points35 points  (4 children)

In their defense, all those other things were media for distribution. AI generators would be cutting out the artists, which is totally different.

[–]ReticlyPoetic 40 points41 points  (2 children)

The record industry has long abused the artists and the customers. The record industry, threatens the longevity of the record industry.

[–]BestRammus 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Consider it karma for all the copyright abuse bitch

[–]tom_tencats 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It kills me that of all the practical and genuinely useful applications for AI, art is the one taking the hardest hit. At least at the beginning.

[–]captaincarot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Checks Blink 182 ticket prices, uh maybe there are other things...

[–]LongjumpingMonitor32 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Wait wait wait... They're literally the ones who started it. Remember that supposed AI rapper that recently got signed to a RECORD LABEL. First off, the executives are usually the ones who are cheap and have horrible business practices.

The record labels themselves are at fault and they're the penny pinching, money greedy fucks who already continue to capitalize on dead singers music library.

Recently Selena (90's Selena) has a new album out and supposedly they somehow altered Selena's voice to be more mature, becoming something of what she would have sounded like had she been still alive. Personally, I don't like this kind of behavior. I understand the importance of keeping a singers or artists legacy moving forward, however the record labels sign off on these projects.

They're the ones willing to finance these expensive AI ventures. It may sound like a great idea and to continue the cash flow coming in, but they're the ones who are muddying the water here. They're the ones who opened this Pandora's Box. All they have to do is say NO, not to use AI in commercial music.

They haven't even fixed the radio industry yet and it's been decades since anything new has come to take it's place. The only new is that these record labels own more in the industry and still continue to ruin the terrestrial radio experience.

[–]Sushrit_Lawliet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

“Oh no we can’t gatekeep industry”

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (30 children)

AI threatens every industry. At this point we could all quit working and let the robots do all the work. Except this won't happen due to money, yes the official scorecard of the rich will never let people quit working.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (16 children)

Not in your lifetime it doesn’t, people vastly overestimate the level of ability any existing AI has. We can barely make self driving vehicles work, which is a very clearly defined task, yet it’s going to replace everyone? Good luck. Something huge will have to change before it gets to that.

[–]incelwiz 7 points8 points  (11 children)

lol, no. Good luck replacing trades.

[–]Floorganized 6 points7 points  (5 children)

At what point do we all finally get to just kickback, relax and spend our universal basic income while the AI does everything else?

[–]hyperhopper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Never. Increased productivity leading to nothing but more wage disparity shows that all the relaxing will be done by the few at the top, and we'll all still be worked harder and harder for less and less.

But we'll have some neat ai generated entertainment to read in our 65sq ft apartments during the 5 hours a week we aren't working so we'll be content.

[–]OkBreak9774 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The music industry threatens music itself. Fuck the music industry.

[–]Just1ncase4658 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I mean AI threatens all our jobs. Which is fine because if we run out of jobs and AI pumps out as much work as 10 humans a day we probably don't have to work anymore. Either by means of universal basic income or homelessness.

[–]Ferociousfeind 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Good. The music "industry" needs to die.

[–]ThriceFive 17 points18 points  (8 children)

People will always patronize good music artists, just like they always have.

[–]taeem 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Sure but a lot of the good ones will find it more and more difficult to make a living

[–]bored_in_NE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Slowly every industry will be saying this.

[–]fightingmonks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How about fuck record labels?

[–]laspero 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Man, this kind of stuff would be cool to me if our society were set up differently, but given the hellish capitalist landscape we live in, this seems like a nightmare for artists and musicians. The corporations will be fine though. Taken to the extreme, being an artist of any type won't even be a viable career choice... I guess they'll all have to go work in a Fullfilment Center.

[–]Yodan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

electricity is threatening the coal industry! ~the coal industry

[–]lordspidey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are these guys still freaking out about home taping, can we collectively tell em to fuck off yet?

[–]Smilechurch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah. Just another tool for humans to expand their creativity. People forget that humans still actually need to like whatever A.I. generates, just like whatever any human creates.

[–]AverageCowboyCentaur 27 points28 points  (11 children)

You have no idea how good AI has gotten, check this out, a 10 hour mix created 100% by AI! It's unreal how good this is. Harmonizes, steps, breakdowns, it absolutely mind blowing! And the guy who did this was just bored and threw it together. I have jammed out to this guy so much, he has a live stream 24/7 with auto generating music going too.

His piano is so stupidly good, I can't take it. It's even more impressive that an AI can write such beautiful music so well and evoke an emotional response!

[–]cunningmunki 7 points8 points  (0 children)

But that... that's terrible.

[–]Kaiju_Cat 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Eh, I dunno, it's neat to see how far it's come but people in the video comments section are acting like it's actually good.

It's interesting to see what's currently capable but I couldn't even bring myself to listen to it for more than 20 seconds before skipping ahead. And I even like that genre. I'm not sure that's even qualifiable as music.

Again, impressive from a proof of concept, beginning of the road kind of way, but.

Saying this is good is like people saying the "AI generated Batman stories" are actually good unironically.

[–]Mikimao 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Eh, I dunno, it's neat to see how far it's come but people in the video comments section are acting like it's actually good.

Exactly, it's good by AI standards, but I am never gonna listen to it again

[–]WreckitWrecksy 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Everyone remember when they said creative jobs weren't at risk because ai would never be able to create stuff?

[–]7in7turtles 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What a fragile industry, Jesus Christ, every slightest leap forward seems to threaten it’s existence.

[–]polisonico 7 points8 points  (0 children)

the music industry has blocked all type of musical creations since they consider it's fair to copyright starting at 3 seconds of sound, if you make a 3 second sound that sounds like something they own, you will get to meet their ruthless lawyers. Now they want to control ALL sound from 1 second so not even a computer can try in it's infinite variations to make something new.the record labels are the reason the internet is how it is today and why your isp is watching everything you do, and it will only get worse. Most artist don't even get the money from their creations, it's the fucking top brass of these companies, and the artists gets 5 to 10% of the money, 90% goes to the bosses.

[–]iNewtons4thLaw 12 points13 points  (5 children)

I believe it threatens art as a whole!

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (27 children)

I’m confused on the amount of people saying this is good. Like, I agree, fuck the recording labels and companies that monopolize accessibility and abuse pricing because of it.

But this may actually be good for them to do. The article lists various websites that make money off of their services by using other peoples’ music/productions without their permission.

Sure, it’s not gonna be super bad for Ariana Grande or Jay-Z, but for the smaller artists (>500,000 followers) , to have their music basically taken and reproduced by a third party who’s monetized it is bad bad

Edit: “There are online services that, purportedly using artificial intelligence (AI), extract, or rather, copy, the vocals, instrumentals, or some portion of the instrumentals (a music stem) from a sound recording, and/or generate, master or remix a recording to be very similar to or almost as good as reference tracks,”

Like imagine you want to be a singer or are in a band and one day you see someone’s making songs using your voice. Or you’ve worked your butt off learning music production and see someone is using an instrument/waveform you created just because some third party company accessed it with their AI database. No bueno. No bueno at all

[–]TriggerHydrant 11 points12 points  (14 children)

Jfc as somebody who works in music full time this scares the fuck outta me.

[–]WingerRules 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think people don't understand how many people are involved in making records and the equipment and software used for making them, this isn't going to affect just the labels.

[–]deedeekei 16 points17 points  (10 children)

People in /r/technology have hardons for AI and don't really give a crap about the human creators I learned over the last few weeks.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Hey, don't sweat it, AI and automation are coming for literally everything.

... Ah wait, that's worse, isn't it...