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The reason why this is misinformation is that you are comparing very different things:
One one side a UN confirmed death count and on the other hand the claimed death count of Hamas. That's not even making the argument the second number might be unreliable, some Ukranian equivalents argue the civilian death count could be over 100 000 thousand civilians. The UN number for Ukraine is far far lower because it is only about deaths they can confirm, and thus doesn't include any numbers in occupied Ukraine (notably Mariupol).
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You are responding to a "what if Hamas didn't win though".
Initially Israel was not nearly as restrictive, especially on the most crucial aspect of import/export from Gaza.
It's beneficial for Israel to not be involved in a war against Gaza, as it's difficult for them to gain much there. Expansion in the West Bank however can be beneficial.
80% of Hamas militants are orphans
Is that really a fact? I don't disbelieve it but before the present war around 10 000 Palestinians died since 2000. I don't see how you'd have enough orphans for them to be most of the membership. Especially since this statistic would include a lot of soldiers (so presumably young).
A belgian court made the claim they weren't, and the Belgian governement explicitly came out to claim they were in response. Maybe that's what you are refering to?
Circa 3 years ago.
He's talking about Jewish people outside of Palestine, it's largely irrelevant to the conversation
The comment you disagreed with specifically mentioned "more Jews lost their homes in the middle east than Arabs", which you then doubted was the case.
So no, it's not irrelevent to this conversation. And it's absolutly not irrelevant to the question of a Jewish state existing in the Middle East either. Reality is that this was an Israeli-Arab conflict for decennia before 50 years of war got exhausting.
Israel used to demand accepting a potential two state as basis for negotiation in return for lifting the blockade.
Recently the only requirement for ending the blockade was a longterm truce between Israel and Hamas. Hamas refused that offer as well.
Why on earth would Israel accept opening borders that will then explicitly be used to attack them? It's completly outside of common sense to demand them to accept that.
Also, Gaza can fish as far as I know. Gets restricted during periods of tension but usually their biggest issue by far is restrictions on dual use items and the like. Which is more nuanced than it being forbidden as you seem to claim?
Israel went up to "granting" 97% of the West Bank during the Taba conference. Outside if specific large settlements they have mostly agreed to that in the past, so never is way too strong.
Netanyahu and similar parties absolutly wouldn't though, that's a fact.
This is a forum dedicated to civil and informed discussion of military and defense issues and to bring better public understand of related topics. As such, our rules are more stringent than the typical subreddit.
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The reason why "children" is specified here is because it is about transfering the children from one group to another. In UN law transfering children to another group is explicitly a form of genocide. Forcible deportation is a war crime but not part of any genocide convention I know of.
I'd say forcing people from their homes is ethnic cleansing but usually not genocide in and of itself. Most wouldn't say that jews who fled to Israel from other middle eastern nations were genocided for instance.