Constant-Pen-1352

Scots voted to stay in the UK on indyref 1 in order to stay in the EU

This is not how democracy works. Look i can accept that you want it. If Scots really want it it will happen eventually, its just got to be a matter of time for it to be fair and just to the referendum thats already been had. You could be really happy next year it goes through then cursing that theres going to be another one because of some similar logic to the one you've provided, except it will be another political justification or proxy vote or so forth.

I kind of covered this in another comment somewhere but the rules of election or any democratic exercise are declared upfront. To change the rules after is not really worthy of being in a sentence with democracy in it.

Like the new caledonian election had the number of referendums decided before the actual referendum.

There is nothing wrong with Scottish independence really/ if it is something Scots really want its just a question of time. What is so wrong with that, everyone does have to accept it otherwise its not really going to happen.. It has to be fair and legitimate.

At least its not gone as petty as the doorbell ringing. It is still kind of funny how geopolitics plays itself out

I am pro democracy to the hilt but it has to be principled (i.e a sufficient amount of time needs to pass as i mentioned.

I can understand your point of view but the awareness of brexit was there and the choice of the vote could be after the brexit vote but it was chosen before. It also leaves the choice on the whim of the view on the EU which seems a bit like a political justification that can change, i.e if the EU does something hostile like the NI issue earlier this week. It still does not seem right to have it soon because a political justification is used.

I can however respect that you want it though. There is nothing wrong with that. It is a long march to get it if Scotland really wants it its just a matter of enough time.

So now democracy needs 90%+ approval for any decision to be overturned?

Come on man read my post im not trying to gaslight you or anything. I said 90% (99% really+) need to 'accept' the outcome. You cannot really find anyone saying the 2015 referendum was not fair or illegitimate. But this one is basically people who are not happy with the outcome of the 2015 one.

So how many years is that? Who decides once a political cycle has been done with?

Its not decided by years, its just really the party changes and back, it is almost in every political theory class you could get. E.g Democrat to Republican and back to use the US analogue

What are these principles you speak of here? I'm being principled in favor of direct democracy.

My english is not perfect but i mean to say to a discussion which isn't based on nationlist fighting/ideology