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Why Reddit users are protesting against the site’s leadership by gabestonewall in technology

[–]mariosunny 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Why is it always the same five users posting these pro-protest articles multiple times a day?

Reddit mods are calling for an ‘affordable return’ for third-party apps by lucerousb in technology

[–]nsfwtttt -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Yup.

By the 20th, all the “I’m leaving Reddit for good” people will be back.

Americans Hate ISPs Almost As Much As They Hate Gas Stations, Survey Finds by rit56 in technology

[–]danmanx 75 points76 points  (0 children)

Four buttons on the right. Press the second one. You're welcome!!!

Lithium-ion battery creator John Goodenough dies at 100 by Sorin61 in technology

[–]donato0 347 points348 points  (0 children)

He died at full charge. Family should get a refund. I keeed but respect where it's due!

A Reddit transcription community will shut down over a 'lack of trust' in the platform by Exastiken in technology

[–]Racsorepairs 3213 points3214 points 23 (0 children)

Damn dude, as a person that was on Reddit since it’s first months, the glory days of the 2010-2015 ish era, and the slow downfall that came after. It’s been a good run boys, we had fun while it lasted!

Edit: yes, we all remember broken arms, crow vs jackdaw, r/trees, the safe, jolly rancher story, blue waffles, r/gore, those guys in that jailbait sub, and so on… for those who weren’t around for the uncensored times, hopefully all these and all the other crazy things that happened at Reddit are talked about for years to come. It really was a wild ride see real the thoughts of others, before bots, before trolls. It was never perfect, humans never are. But at one time, Reddit was a community of humans that truly communicated across the globe. We still have amazing conversations now, but the vets know what I mean ;)

Double edit: Thank you for my first gold in like, ever! All of you are amazing people regardless of who and where you are. I appreciate the years of comments, upvotes, downvotes, communication, and teachings I had in this place. Hopefully we still have some good times in the future. Much love to all of you.

A Reddit transcription community will shut down over a 'lack of trust' in the platform by Exastiken in technology

[–]Bladewing10 455 points456 points  (0 children)

Spez and the admins have never been trustworthy. The fact that there are people defending them to dunk on mods is either some of the most blatant astroturfing I’ve seen or some of the most braindead anti-protest knee jerk that deserves to be ignored

Reddit API fee protests push into third week by thebelsnickle1991 in technology

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Whole lotta bitch ass shills itt.

Reddit pressures mods to end the blackout as they find new ways to protest by ICumCoffee in technology

[–]nmmldwaywnmqsqygsyps 68 points69 points  (0 children)

Part of this whole protest is definitely the sheer lack of tact on display of the Reddit leadership. Like if you want to tighten API access and get more money out of it, you should have given a June 30th deadline but announced the changes way back at the start of the year. State your demands and then give people the genuine ability to negotiate in good faith and either some agreement is reached or it isn't, but give the proprietors of these apps some long term ability to meet the deadline or prepare to wind their products down. Instead there was this rollout of a ultimatum with really no good ability to even have time to respond and counter (bring up a financial response on what they could actually reasonably pass on to Reddit that wouldn't bankrupt them). The ensuing chaos is definitely much more due to this lack of tact moreso than genuine opposition to increased monetization of the platform. Most people accept there's a cost to be had to pay for all the servers and reddit employees and if using reddit is free then you're going to be seeing ads.

Reddit is in danger of a death spiral by TommyAdagio in technology

[–]iWut 532 points533 points  (0 children)

I’m sure traffic is back to “normal” and all is well, but we haven’t hit the 30th yet when our apps go dark. I’ve personally been weening myself off of Reddit since I know I won’t use the native app or web page options. It’s been hard. I’m actually fucking sad thinking about it. That said, I don’t really see an option.

I’m not trying to join a movement or rally anyone to a cause. I just know I’ve enjoyed Reddit for 8 years. Been able to experience so many wonderful births of memes and internet culture, and I’m going to miss it (Here’s to you Sprog, $3.50, ducks and horses, cum box and broken arms). But, unfortunately, Reddit has only existed for me as a mobile app in any real sense. I started out with Alien Blue and switch to the god-like Apollo and never looked back. When I think of Reddit now, it only looks like the Apollo UI.

Yeah, it sucks to think about, but come the 30th I won’t be able to just tap my app and join in, so I’m out. The numbers maybe stay the same, but I won’t be there, and I will miss you all.

How John Oliver became a weapon in Reddit’s civil war by davster39 in technology

[–]Knickerbockers-94 10 points11 points  (0 children)

A “weapon”, y’all take yourselves way too seriously. No one gives a shit.

Reddit is battling against moderators marking their communities NSFW by thebelsnickle1991 in technology

[–]E-Mage 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This metaphor doesn't really work at the length you're taking it, but it would be more like a farmer said, "Yeah you can milk my cows for free while I get all of the milk. I'll provide you the tools to milk and you'll do the milking just because you like working with cows."

And then ten years later, after you got attached to all of the farmers' cows and became proud of the work you've done, the farmer said, "I'm taking away all of those tools I gave you to make this job easier. Oh, you're not happy about this? Now I'm going to tell everyone you're a greedy piece of shit who just wants my milk. What are you gonna do now, quit?"

Mods don't get any milk (money). There are definitely some shitty mods out there, but in my experience, reddit mods are just people who love the community they mod for and have done thousands of hours of unpaid work to keep that community free of malicious links and bullies, and to maintain the subreddit's general vibe we all take for granted.

Reddit Gave Its Moderators Freedom—And Power by gabestonewall in technology

[–]gabestonewall[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

In case of paywall:

For more than a week now, Reddit moderators have been using the site’s tools to protest proposed business changes. The stalemate reveals how much power the site’s users have accumulated over the years—and just how much the site depends on its moderators’ free labor.

Not a Worker, Not a Customer

If you’re looking for pictures of John Oliver, for some reason, I have a recommendation for you: The Reddit group r/pics. For the past several days, the r/pics forum, normally populated with food pictures and nature shots, has featured a steady drumbeat of photos of the comedian: John Oliver with his wife. John Oliver’s face Photoshopped onto Spider-Man’s body. John Oliver at a desk. John Oliver on his show. Indeed, the group’s moderators have forbidden users from posting anything besides John Oliver photos.

This is more than just a fun stunt (though it is pretty fun for observers). It is one of the various creative ways that Reddit moderators have used their authority in recent days to register discontent with proposed changes to Reddit’s business.

For the past 10 days, moderators of thousands of Reddit forums have been protesting the company’s plans to charge third parties to run apps on the site. Last week, nearly 9,000 forums went dark for 48 hours. Some forums remain shut down this week, and others are continuing to disrupt the normal flow of posts through the pipelines of the platform.

The trouble began after, earlier this spring, Reddit said it would start charging some other companies for Application Programming Interface (or API) access. In April, the company framed upcoming changes as an effort to ensure that it would be compensated when AI companies scraped the site’s reams of user-generated content. More recently, changes have meant that some beloved apps that make the site easier to use will be forced to shut down because of prohibitive expenses.

Reddit moderators can be forgiven for resenting changes that might make their lives harder. After all, they do a significant amount of work for free. Reddit’s users, especially power users such as moderators, contribute in a big way to the quality and growth of the platform. They lead and nurture (and police) communities that gather around various interests, such as relationships, parenting, plumbing, or weighing in on whether, in a given situation, a poster is the asshole. The relationship between Reddit and its users is unique. The company places outsize responsibility on its volunteer moderators, but as a result, they also have outsize power—which means that their coordinated actions can cause much disruption on the platform.

Moderators are not paid employees of the site. But they are not always customers, either—though Reddit has a premium tier, many users don’t pay to use the platform. Reddit, like many tech companies that provide free products, runs ads (cue the adage “If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product”). Now, with its new rules, the company is attempting to monetize the content that users—and particularly moderators—have been generating for free.

By protesting the changes, moderators are reminding Reddit just how much the site needs them—and how much the moderators need third-party tools. “Many Reddit moderators rely on third-party apps in order to do their jobs,” my colleague Kaitlyn Tiffany, who reports on internet culture for The Atlantic and recently wrote a great book about online communities and fandom, reminded me this morning. “Without them, they’re rightfully concerned that their forums will be flooded with garbage.”

The API debate has exposed broader fault lines on the site, Fraser Raeburn, a historian and Reddit moderator, told me. He said that Reddit should better acknowledge “the role volunteers play within it, in terms of curating content and keeping Reddit a relatively safe and functional part of the internet.” The moderators of his forum, r/AskHistorians, have restricted posts on their forum as part of the protest. Raeburn said he hopes to see Reddit’s leaders engage constructively with questions and clarify how they will handle the disruptions that come from losing some add-ons.

So far, things have been fractious. Reddit CEO Steve Huffman told NBC last week that moderators were like “landed gentry,” and suggested that he might make changes that would allow users to vote moderators out. (When I asked Reddit for comment on the recent protests, I was directed to a blog post from last week on the API updates.) For now, moderators remain powerful.

Moderated communities are what have made Reddit distinctive as a platform, and as a result, helped it last. As Kaitlyn pointed out, “Reddit’s model of empowering moderators has given the site a much longer shelf life than I think many would have thought possible 10 years ago.”

It’s not easy for a tech company to make a lot of money and make all of its users happy—especially on a platform that has an open-source ethos. For all the talk among VCs and techies about the power of community, Reddit is demonstrating how fraught the community-based model can be. Especially as Reddit eyes a potential IPO, its corporate interests and user needs may clash.

Raeburn told me he wants this resolved so that he can get back to the reason he’s on the site: talking about history. But for now, he marvels at the way that the site’s structure and culture made this type of action possible. “Reddit had to give us a degree of control over the site because they wanted us to do that work for them,” Raeburn said. “Reddit, probably inadvertently, has created the structure for protest to succeed.”

Reddit Goes Nuclear, Removes Moderators of Subreddits That Continued To Protest by gabestonewall in technology

[–]randomusername6 776 points777 points 2 (0 children)

Yeah I agree.

The problem in my eyes (and yours apparently) is that the steps Reddit has taken recently looks like the first step in a series of measures to make Reddit profitable.

The problem is, as you mentioned, the whole ideology of Reddit making money. Reddit is (was?) the last bastion on the web where you could get honest opinions from other "real" people on pretty much any topic, and it never felt like the purpose of Reddit was to force a product down your throat

Just look at the trend of adding "reddit" to the end of every Google search. Of course, that trend arose because people searched normally, and then you had to spend 20 minutes filtering various SEO optimized websites afterwards, before you found some honest feedback on the product or topic you searched for. In the old days, I always found what I was looking for in the first 3 results on Google, and the joke back then was that if you got to page 2 of Google's search results, you had gone too far. Today it is not uncommon that what I am looking for is on page 2 or 3 because the first page is occupied with what will make money for Google and is therefore not what you are looking for.

So that's why I really want to keep Reddit in its current state. I don't think Reddit should make money, just have enough income to cover operations. I would like to pay 15 or 30 USD (converted from my currency, keep that in mind) per month to keep Reddit as is, knowing that I then cover a lot of users who use Reddit without paying.

That's why I'm super sad about Reddit's move, as it looks like the beginning of the end to me. If "the curve most goes up" then the final version of Reddit will just be a watered down version created to make money, and not the utopia of knowledge sharing that it could be.

"Short term gains" rule our world and I hate it so much. Unfortunately the only solution to this problem is that some billionaire who likes the principle of Reddit drops by, drops a lot of money, and then fucks off with no expectation of any return on the investment. I won't be holding my breath :(

Reddit Goes Nuclear, Removes Moderators of Subreddits That Continued To Protest by gabestonewall in technology

[–]CraigJay -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

I'm sure there are a bunch of legitimate instances where instances where subs have needed to change from sfw to nsfw or vice verse. However, this obviously wasn't one and I think we can all agree that one day a sub allowing porn isn't the kind of thing we'd like to see on Reddit

People are welcome to downvote me all they want and I know my opinions, whilst make up the majority site-wide, aren't well received in this sub, but I'm telling you a very reasonable explanation why it was somewhat fair to remove the mods after what they'd done