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The Purple One. His Royal Badness. The High Priest of Pop. The Minneapolis Genius. The Modern Day Mozart. The Prince of Funk. A Subreddit Produced, Arranged, Written and Composed by the Music of PRINCE June 7, 1958 - April 21, 2016 - ∞
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r/TheDragonPrince
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The Dragon Prince, created by Aaron Ehasz (Avatar: The Last Airbender) and Justin Richmond, tells the story of two human princes who forge an unlikely bond with the elven assassin sent to kill them, embarking on an epic quest to bring peace to their warring lands. Season 4 is out now!
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A second place to discuss the Netflix show Dragon Prince. The first place is r/TheDragonPrince. You should really try there first. If you're still here, be cool. Discuss the show amongst friends.
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You learn something new every day; what did you learn today? Submit interesting and specific facts about something that you just found out here.
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Just a small place for residents of Prince Edward Island to talk about the news and issues facing our province, share photos, suggest places to eat and anything else PEI related you’d like to post
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Discussion of C S Pacat's M/M fantasy romance trilogy, The Captive Prince, as well as related fan work.
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The 80s were a wild time. From the massive improvements in technology (with the introduction of home computers, consoles and portable phones), to the civil wars that still have an impact today, to the everlasting power of 80s pop culture, this time is well regarded and considered one of the most influential in media, especially within the current time period. Musically the influence of the 80s is extremely noticeable with the synthpop and nu disco revival of the 10s and 20s. Alongside this was a rise in androgyny amongst celebrities. Be it through power dressing, glam makeup & hair or avant garde performance art, there was a small but influential movement that has affected queer history positively. This rate will explore four of these individuals that are synonymous with the word androgyny in pop culture.

Annie Lennox, Grace Jones, Prince & David Bowie. All four of these artists have majorly impacted pop culture and helped move the public perception of gender and sex in a more progressive direction. From normalising a more masculine look for women to defying what is expected from a man, these four artists pushed the button on gender issues. Not only that, their push for progressiveness, be it putting a spotlight on black artists and issues affecting black communities in the US or helping shape the second wave of feminism. The impact of these artists is still felt today in both society and among the current batch of musicians.

Eurythmics - Touch

Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart burst onto the scene with the single Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) with a stunning video where Annie Lennox dazzles sporting a bright ginger buzzcut and a mens suit. The video and Annie’s look became one of the most talked about pop culture moments of 1983 with it seeing heavy play on MTV. This androgynous style remains one of Eurythmics signature looks with the ginger short hair being replicated in many tracks throughout the 80s. It broke the mould for what was expected from a female performer and raised the bar for so many other artists. The media went into a frenzy about this new look with Annie becoming the biggest new thing that every magazine wanted to have. This remained the case for Touch, Eurythmics' follow up album with a signature synth pop sound that didn’t shy away from experimentation.

Being the followup to the massive hit that was Sweet Dreams was always going to be tough but Eurythmics hit it out of the park with this album. Continuing the experimental style that Dave Stewart loved, this album contains some of the greatest hits of the duo. Heavily leaning into the new wave sound, Touch remains one of the most consistent Eurythmics albums and a fan favourite.

  1. Here Comes the Rain Again

  2. Regrets

  3. Right By Your Side

  4. Cool Blue

  5. Who’s That Girl?

  6. The First Cut

  7. Aqua

  8. No Fear, No Hate, No Pain (No Broken Hearts)

  9. Paint A Rumour

Grace Jones - Nightclubbing

The impact of Miss Grace Jones on pop culture cannot be understated. Starting out as a model, her androgynous looks gave her plenty of attention, becoming a star in the Parisian modelling scene. During this time, she often performed and attended in gay clubs which was a major influence on her first few singles and albums In 1981, Nightclubbing was released cementing Grace Jones as a multi talented artist, reaching the top 10 and critical praise from critics. Nightclubbing remains one of the most influential albums of all time; it also pushed Grace Jones to new heights as a model, artist and actor. The popularity of this album and Grace Jones’ look paved the way for her within the movie industry. Grace Jones’ influence extends to the modern era with some of the biggest stars of the past 40 years taking cues from her, including Annie Lennox, Beyoncé and FKA Twig. A true trailblazer held to a high regard by everyone.

Unlike her previous albums, the club sound isn’t the main draw of Nightclubbing. Rather, this album pulled from her Jamaican roots alongside the prominent sounds featured in black clubs such as funk to create an album that is still regarded as one of the greatest of all time to this day. It’s full of confidence in the diverse sounds put on display without a drop in quality. It embodied why Grace Jones was so popular in the modelling and club scene and allowed her to shine.

  1. Walking in the Rain

  2. Pull Up to the Bumper

  3. Use Me

  4. Nightclubbing

  5. Art Groupie

  6. I’ve Seen That Face Before (Libertango)

  7. Feel Up

  8. Demolition Man

  9. I’ve Done It Again

Prince - Controversy

One of the most flamboyant artists of all time, Prince is considered one of the most prominent androgynous icons due to his fashion sense and wide vocal range. Considered one of the greatest performers of all time, Prince made a name for himself with his 3rd album Dirty Mind, which showcased his androgynous style and musical talent beautifully. It also showed controversy around his work with a lot of sexually explicit and controversial lyrics, something that is consistent within his work throughout the years. The reception to his looks and lyrics inspired Controversy. This album also began the purple era that has become synonymous with Prince. These two albums alongside 1999 placed the spotlight on Prince, who continued to move from strength to strength throughout the 80s & the rest of his career while maintaining his flamboyant androgynous style. His influence has been felt on the entire music industry from Bruno Mars to Lady Gaga to Lenny Kravitz to Beck; there are countless people who have been influenced by Prince.

Controversy was the much anticipated followup to Dirty Mind and it didn’t disappoint. Leaning more into a ‘political standpoint’ Controversy touched on many topics that were relevant at that period of time. Whether these were about his sexuality, his explicit lyrics, the US political climate or his complicated relationship with religion. It’s sexually charged, envelope pushing music in a way that only Prince could do. Leaning into the funk and new wave sound that was becoming popular, Prince traverses various topics with his signature flair, some creating more controversy than the album that inspired it.

  1. Controversy

  2. Sexuality

  3. Do Me, Baby

  4. Private Joy

  5. Ronnie, Talk to Russia

  6. Let’s Work

  7. Annie Christian

  8. Jack U Off

David Bowie - Let’s Dance

David Bowie is probably the most famous musician that comes to mind when the word androgynous comes up. A powerhouse in the industry, this forward thinker made headlines and captivated the world when the persona of Ziggy Stardust came out in the 70s. Flamboyant with long hair, this canonically alien superstar was one of the key factors in Bowie’s meteoric rise, despite the abuse he received due to looking feminine at the start of this era. It signalled a change in the public perception of gender and remains one of the most iconic personas to come out of the music industry (with a certain lightning bolt portrait being one of the most recognisable symbols in the world). The androgynous look took a backseat as Bowie’s career as he leant more into a pop sound but the flamboyance still remained. Looking into the current stars of the music industry, it’s difficult to find one that didn’t take influence from Bowie’s music, fashion or stage presence.

Following the success of Heroes and Scary Monsters, Bowie looked for inspiration in the pop music scene. Far from the Art Rock he was known for, Bowie enlisted the help of the legend Nile Rodgers to create an album that would stand out as a pop album and it worked. Becoming his best selling album, Let’s Dance brought a new level of fame for Bowie which became both a blessing and a curse for his career. This new wave driven album contains some of Bowie’s greatest tracks.

  1. Modern Love

  2. China Girl

  3. Let’s Dance

  4. Without You

  5. Ricochet

  6. Criminal World

  7. Cat People (Putting Out Fire)

  8. Shake It

The Rules
  • Every song must be listened to and rated. Any ballots with missing scores will be rejected

  • Decimal places to one digit is allowed (7.5, 4.8 etc.) Any scores with 2 or more decimal places (7.54, 4.86) will be rejected.

  • You can give one song a 0 and one song an 11. These are optional, you can use these for your favourite and least favourite song.

  • You can leave comments on songs by adding it after your score e.g.

Annie Christian: 10 Annie are you okay?

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Album: Touch: Why does this not have a title track

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Please don't attack me, I come in peace. I don't mean for this to be a confrontation. But reading the 1999 discussion has finally pushed me over the edge to ask this.

It's not that I hate Prince, although I do, but that's not the point. There are plenty of musicians I can't stand and would pay to avoid hearing, but usually I understand why people like them. I get it. The very factors that make me describe James Taylor's music as "the auditory equivalent of the taste of lukewarm water" are probably the same factors that his fans would describe as "pleasant" or "soothing" or something. I know we're hearing the same thing. Our brains are just reacting differently.

And if just one person told me "I love Prince, he's one of my favorite musicians," I would smile and nod and quietly note to myself not to take any album recommendations from them. But what confuses me is the fact that on forums like this one, Prince is held up as a genius of some sort. Not only that, but it is taken for granted that this is the case. It is the normative default opinion. Hell, scroll all the way to the bottom of the 1999 ADC post, and someone who feels the same way I do about Prince got buried under downvotes (admittedly he/she wasn't entirely politic about it), and the top response is "I'm sorry for your loss."

I'm so confused. Admittedly I've never listened to an album of his, but I grew up in the 80s so I know the singles, and in the ADC discussion a lot of the songs I know are mentioned as recommended listens - "Cream," "Little Red Corvette," "Purple Rain," etc. I don't get why. They strike me as among the most banal and forgettable pop music in a decade that virtually specialized in banal and forgettable pop music. You could switch "Huey Lewis and the News" or "Debbie Gibson" for Prince in this discussion and I'd be exactly as lost as to why we were holding this artist up as exemplary.

I can think of a number of reasons why artists become highly-regarded legends, and I cannot apply any of them to Prince.

He wasn't groundbreaking, at least as far as I can tell; I can't see what new genres or subgenres he founded, what other musicians' careers are defined almost single-handedly by his influence. I may not personally be a fan of Black Sabbath but I totally get how they're foundational to countless artists who followed. I can't see this with Prince. Or there are interesting and innovative fusions, when artists combine elements of genres or styles in brilliant ways. But I don't hear Prince as doing this either. What's he doing that the world wouldn't have been the same without?

Or there's mastery of an art. Some artists just blow you the hell away with how good they are with what they do. Think of an instrument or a vocal style and I'll bet you can think of artists who boggle your mind with how elegantly they're perfected it. But there's nothing I've heard on a Prince song that stands out more than if a programmed robot had been doing the same thing. What am I missing?

Finally, there's charisma, that great X-factor that sometimes just lifts that one specimen above the rest. It's hard to define, but you know it when you see it. Charisma is why Nirvana sounded fresh and original in the early 90s; Sonic Youth and Swans and the Melvins might have been doing it earlier, but Kurt Cobain had charisma. Or take Billie Eilish. I'm not at all sure I believe she can actually sing - in fact I'm pretty sure she can't - and I'm saying this as a fan. And maybe that's a great example, because she seems to be one of those artists you love or hate viscerally without ever being able to define quite why. In Prince's case, like I said, I hate him. Sincerely. I find his presence repulsive - sleazy, greasy, weasely. But I'm willing to acknowledge this might be one of those things I just don't "get." Like Donald Trump. People tell me that he's charismatic, and I have to believe them, on the objective basis that he, like Prince, has millions of adoring fans. His charisma is objectively verified. But apparently I'm immune to it, because I find him repulsive. Is there something of that in it?

Please, Prince fans, as I said, I come in peace. I just want to know what it is you're hearing, or perceiving, that I don't. Because never has a revered artist fallen flatter on me than this one.

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