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Coast to Coast interview Spotify Link: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7FJcJobbjWEf9YuKLDH3Zc?si=Z-9MQSu9SMCmFTtxKbPB8w

Fascinating interview with lots of good information! Would recommend a listen if you are interested in the Varginha UFO case.

UFOJoe did some great work and transcribed parts of this interview that are particularly interesting and that I will have posted below.

UFOJoe Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/TheUfoJoe/status/1654921763405582336?t=Qp6HX81UlJ0RgI6TUbmj3g&s=19

Roger Lier on going to Varginha, Brazil to investigate the 1996 UFO case:

Leir flew to Brazil (I believe it was 2002) to investigate the Varginha case and was greeted like a dignitary. The mayor greeted him at the airport and shook his hand. Art Bell (who was sooooo good) asked if maybe this was some sort of a set-up to get Leir to endorse and promote a bogus case and bring tourists (and money) to Varginha? Leir admits it's possible.

Leir met and interviewed a doctor (an orthopedic surgeon) who was at Hospital Regional when the event took place in 1996 and Leir said, "the interview was probably one of the most emotional events that ever occured to me in my life. Here's a guy who starts out by telling us that all this was rumors, these were things that he'd heard from his friends and colleagues in the hospital...he had no firsthand knowledge of any of this. And then winds up, at the end of the interview with his hands shaking, his head lowered and tears running down his cheeks. So, you know, that disclaimer at the beginning was absolute nonsense. "

"He talked, from the beginning, the happenings of that night and how he saw an increase in military personnel in the hospital. And he really didn't think that much of it because sometimes they brought in accident cases from the base, and so on." But then he saw something he felt was sort of strange: Military personnel were guarding certain doorways and hospital and civilian personnel were not allowed to go in, or out. But he just went on doing what he usually does. At one point, he was asked by two military police officers to accompany [them] and he was taken into a wing that they had cordoned off, which included a surgery suite. They then asked him to scrub for a case and when he asked what kind of a case, they wouldn't tell him anything. He did as told and went into the surgical room where there was a guard outside at the door who told him not to come out until the job was done.

The patient was covered with a drape sheet and this orthopedic surgeon took a look at the x-rays of what he thought was a child with some sort of a fracture of the femur. Then he pulled the drape sheet back and he almost fell over because he knew it wasn't human or a deformity that he had ever seen before. It was bipedal with two arms and two legs and less than five feet tall. The skin was brown and looked verticulated, meaning he saw, "outlines of large scales, but then when you went to touch the skin," with gloves on, it was very smooth and you couldn't feel any demarcation. The body was hairless with no hair on the head, arms or torso. The color was brown and the skin was oily.

"There was a set of external blood vessels, like varicose veins, that coursed up the shoulders. They did not go up into the neck but were only on the shoulders. The head was quite large in proportion to the torso and the face had two, large upturned eyes that were red in color but he did not want to look this creature in the eye." Leir asked him why and he said he really didn't know. "The eyes looked like two pools of liquid and gave this very strange feeling which made him definitely not want to look it in the eye at all. On the top of the head were three protuberances that ran from the front, above the forehead, to the back, that stuck out about an inch. Bone protuberances, running across the head from the front to the back. One on each side and one across the middle. Very little mouth, no particular nose, nothing that he considered ears. No pinna, the outside, fleshy part of our ears. The neck was thin and looked like it couldn't support the head well. The torso was that of like a child. He said the arms were emaciated, very thin, long. Hands went down to about the lower center of the thighs. The hands had four fingers, and the fingers, he said, they could articulate with each other. In other words, you could take the 2nd finger and make it work with the 5th finger. There was no opposed thumb. And he said, mechanically, a hand that operated in this manner didn't need a thumb."

Bell: "Was he absolutely convinced, at this point, that he was looking at a non-human, or did he imagine in some way that he was looking at a deformed human?"

Leir: "I asked him that, specifically, and after he saw the face and neck, he had no doubts in his mind that this was not a human being. Then he went on to...again, he described how the fingers worked and he didn't know whether they were multi-jointed fingers or whether they were composed of some kind of a soft cartilage that could bend. But he said the hand could do anything that we could do with our hand, without the use of a thumb.

"There was no navel, there was no umbilicus, no belly button, there was no external genitalia seen. The legs were quite muscular and short, and there was a normal -looking knee, without a visible patella...he really didn't see a kneecap. When he got down to the foot, the leg just sort of went into the foot without the normal appearance of a human ankle. He talked about the toes, there being three, large very-fleshy toes, with no toenails. But he described another appendage, which came off the center portion, like, if you're looking at your foot, mid-arch area, the side of the arch. And there was an appendage that he called a vestigial appendage. Now, I don't know where he got that idea. But he said it hung down in relaxed position, so, in other words, 90 degrees to the long axis of the foot. And on the end of this appendage was about a three-quarter of an inch claw. But when the being walked, which was later, he saw that he took that appendage and made it parallel with the foot and just walked like a normal human being. Berishara (sp?), who was sitting there, listening to the testimony, when he talked about this appendage, he sat straight up in his chair and got kind of wild-eyed. And I looked at him and I said, 'Does that mean something to you?' And he said, 'That explains it.' And I said, 'What is it that it explains?' And he said, "Well, he went to investigate the area where the three girls saw the creature kneeling. He said he could see the impression in the ground. But just about where the foot was, there was a round hole in the ground and he couldn't figure out what could have made the hole.'"

Bell: "Oh, that explains the footprint!"

Leir: "Right."

Bell: "My guess is as good as any. A predator's foot, I don't know."

Leir: "Well, you know, monkeys have what's called a monkey-grooming claw. And when I went through all that research that we did on the Gary Lowry (sp?) case, with the so-called claw - we found that certain animals have claws for grooming. Others have claws with a little canal in them that contain the gland that puts out poison. I don't think this looks like a description of a creature that has a claw for a weapon."

Bell: "Was this procedure that the doctor was doing, was all of this, in some way recorded?"

Leir: "Were there cameras in the room? No. He said there were no military personnel in the room. They were all outside. But the intimidation was there and he was not supposed to come out until the job was done."

Bell: "God! You would think something of this magnitude, working on an alien creature, they would want to memorialize every second of it, from the military point of view."

The Varginha creature was on the operating table with a compound fracture and the doc set it, reduced the fracture as much as possible and put the bone back. And it started to heal on its own. Bone was pinkish and pretty much like human bone except it had large cavities that gave it a tensile strength which was much, much greater than human bone and made it that lighter. When he first saw the large cavities in the x-rays, he thought it was from severe osteoporosis.

Blood was same color as human blood. They acquired blood samples and did testing that showed the cellular structure was similar to human blood except the small, white cells, the platelets, were tenfold over what it is in the human body. And the blood would clot almost immediately when it came out of the blood vessel but doc didn't know if that was because of the increased number of platelets or whether the blood was being introduced into an atmosphere that was far different than what it was used to. Very possible the number of platelets indicates a more efficient clotting and healing system. Or, maybe it's because they didn't come from the same gaseous environment as Earth. They had a sample of blood and bone.

Closed him up but didn't put the being in a leg cast because he didn't know what to expect and felt it was safer both for the being and him, "because if something had happened to the patient, who knows what would happen to him [The Doctor]?"

What happened next was the most amazing thing he had ever seen. In the next 24 hours, everything healed, including the skin.

So how did it go from that...to death?

Leir was told the being was in satisfactory condition, which means all vital signs are present and the patient is ambulatory, meaning they can walk okay, breathe and everything is functioning well. That's the condition the being was in when it left the hospital with a military escort. Witnesses outside the hospital say it was put into a military truck that left the back portion of the hospital and immediately took it to another hospital.

Leir asked the doctor: Did you have any communication with this creature? He became silent, and then said, "I'm gonna tell you something that happened in the operating room and you can believe it or not. When we were almost finished with the surgery, the room began to fill with a greenish haze. He didn't know whether it was coming from the creature or whether it was coming from somewhere else. He didn't know whether it was gonna be toxic. They didn't smell anything. As this room filled with this greenish haze, he turned around and he saw that the source of it was the being laying on the table (How big was the operating room that he/they didn't immediately realize the haze was coming from the being? ~Joe). He locked eyes with the creature, which he didn't want to do, and he says, at this point, he could not remove his eyes.

"He said that it downloaded, into his head - which is the best way he could describe it - these thought-grams. And he said it was like somebody had physically taken a rubber hammer and hit him over the head, time after time, after time, after time, resulting in something that was akin to the worst possible migraine headache with nausea and vomiting, which lasted for over two weeks."

Bell: "Was information being imparted with every hit of the mallet?"

Leir: "Yes."

Leir asked the doctor to tell him what the being told him and he said he would only tell him two things.

Leir: "They, whoever they [are], or wherever they come from, felt sorry for human beings [because] human beings have the capability of doing everything that they could do. And as an example, he said, it would not be necessary for [anybody], wherever he came from, to be brought to a facility to have the repair done to his body that he had done here. That they could either do it singularly, or they could join together and heal, and that we could do the same. The other reason was something that was quite earth-shaking. He felt sorry for human beings because they were totally detached from their spiritual self."

The being left the 2nd hospital in a casket.

Listen to the rest of the audio below and then at the link.

Everything was taken to the University of Campinas, about 40-50 miles from Varginha, and that is where the American military presence was seen.

My transcription is almost word for word but is not of the entire audio below.

Leir: "The Varginha aliens are somewhere in the U.S. and lord knows how many others from somewhere else. Once you leave a country like Brazil, the veil of secrecy goes up and the information goes completely black."

Start at 1:53:18 but the very beginning of Leir's interview starts at 44:32.

Thanks for reading everyone, hope you found this interesting. What do you all think of this account by Lier endorsed by James Fox?