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California won't renew $54M Walgreens contract over company's abortion pill decision

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Alright, So Walgreens decision was in response to a letter from several Republican attorneys general. In their letter, they said, among other things,

These state laws reflect not only our commitment to protecting the lives and dignity of children, but also of women. Abortion pills are far riskier than surgical abortions, according to established scientific consensus: “Medication abortions were 5.96 times as likely to result in a complication as first-trimester aspiration abortions.”3 Abortion pills carry the added risk that when these heightened complications invariably occur, women suffer those harms at home, away from medical help. And finally, mail-order abortion pills also invite the horror of an increase in coerced abortions. When abortion drugs are mailed or consumed outside a regulated medical facility, the risk of coercion is much higher—indeed, guaranteed—because there is no oversight. Outside the regulated medical context, a person can obtain an abortion pill quite easily and then coerce a woman into taking it.

BUT SURGICAL ABORTIONS WERE BANNED! This is a bizarre defense of their argument, since they got rid of the safer option!

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'Abortion pills are far riskier than surgical abortions'

If this was an actual concern for them, they wouldn't be banning surgical abortions.

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· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago

Abortion pills are far riskier than surgical abortions, according to established scientific consensus: “Medication abortions were 5.96 times as likely to result in a complication as first-trimester aspiration abortions.

BUT SURGICAL ABORTIONS WERE BANNED! This is a bizarre defense of their argument, since they got rid of the safer option!

Yep, and both the FDA and WHO beg to differ re: risks of medication abortion.

But then again, the FDA - and the rest of the nation - is having to contend w/a party mostly comprised of narcissists and christofascists where many on the right are convinced that they know better than any expert on this or on any other subject, e.g., COVID, climate change. etc.

Medication abortion, also known as medical abortion or abortion with pills, is a pregnancy termination protocol that involves taking two different drugs, Mifepristone and misoprostol, that can be safely used up to the first 70 days (10 weeks) of pregnancy according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

The World Health Organization has authorized use to 12 weeks of pregnancy. Since the FDA first approved the drug in 2000, its use in the United States has quickly grown. By 2021, over half of abortions in the US were medication abortions.

The FDA has found that medication abortion is a safe and highly effective method of pregnancy termination. When taken, medication abortion successfully terminates the pregnancy 99.6% of the time, with a 0.4% risk of major complications, and an associated mortality rate of less than 0.001 percent (0.00064%).

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/the-availability-and-use-of-medication-abortion/

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It's nefarious and calculated.

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I’d like to see the study they reference because iirc Tylenol has more adverse risks than mifepristone.

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· 6 days ago
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the risk of coercion is GUARANTEED. This is all just foolishness. They're worried about an edge case of a woman being coerced into something she doesn't want, and a result made it harder for ALL women to make the choice she wants, thus coercing her...

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He uses invariably after describing 5.96 times increase.... invariably means every single time.

He later says coercion is guaranteed if there is no supervision.

Abject stupidity, and zero agency given to women in his thinking.

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So we banned the safest medical treatment for this one thing, but the second best option is more dangerous so don’t do that. And we’ll just plug our ears and close our eyes and say “nah nah nah nah lalalalalalahhh I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you” so we can tell ourselves that backally abortions or self abortions won’t occur directly because of our policy and just assume there’s no abortions cause there’s laws and just assume that women lost the baby while boating (current excuse for gun owners if their gun becomes illegal).

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It also ignores the fact that the absolute number of serious complications is incredibly low and the medication has a slightly better safety profile than aspirin, and that many women prefer the privacy pills provide.

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That's a tell tale sign of a bad faith argument. Meaning it was never about safety

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· 6 days ago
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And finally, mail-order abortion pills also invite the horror of an increase in coerced abortions.

Doesn't Walgreens know that the only ones allowed to coerce a woman's choice is the government? /s

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It's interesting that Republicans want to ban something that has a legal use but can be used against another person in a crime. Hmmmm . . .

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And it doesn’t even matter if they’re riskier than surgical abortions. Abortion medication is far safer than pregnancy and child birth.

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· 6 days ago
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It's an intentionally deceitful use of [relative risk] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_risk?wprov=sfla1) vs absolute risk. What they don't say is that the absolute risk of surgical abortion is so low that even if medical abortion is 6x riskier (I'd be interested in their source), it's still extremely safe.

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and every medication or medical procedure comes with some risk!

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"Per mile, planes are much safer than cars. That's why, for the safety of citizens, we have decided to ban the use of cars for commuting."

Comparing two options when one of them isn't an option is beyond ludicrous, it's just a distraction.

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