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[–]jettyGTA 839 points840 points  (211 children)

They need to hurry up and airdrop their long awaited governance token to users so we can vote against this shit.

[–]Lillica_Golden_SHIBTin | BANANO 5 395 points396 points  (142 children)

It is just bizzarre how centralized the industry happens to be

[–]BaecchusPlatinum | QC: CC 541 | r/WSB 11 350 points351 points  (93 children)

Decentralisation is just a buzzword at this point.

[–]TheTrueBlueTJDeveloper 265 points266 points  (72 children)

Decentralization can mean the slightest bit of hassle for the end user, so they choose the shiny centralized option instead.

[–]Fedora_expertTin | SYS 6 90 points91 points  (46 children)

This here is it. Chains aren't developed with the optimal blockchain in mind, but rather how to make the most money for VCs and fast, because that's what brings in the investments at the moment.

[–]meeleen223Moons = Magic Internet Money Vol. 2 74 points75 points  (25 children)

Only good thing that came out of this FTX shitshow, is that people will understand how bad Centralized entities are and be reminded why decentralization is important

[–]JebusuraTin 68 points69 points  (15 children)

*for 3 years. Then only the old guard remembers. Then there is enough new members for a Mt gox, bitconnect, ftx to happen again. Rinse and repeat

[–]CrzyJekPlatinum | QC: LTC 205, CC 150, BTC 26 | r/AMD 239 30 points31 points  (10 children)

2012 here. Can confirm, people don't learn.

[–]Z3LS3Bitcoin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

But that’s what makes us so compelling to the aliens watching us on inter-dimensional cable

[–]OrdainedPumaBronze | ADA 17 | Politics 11 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Teeeeechnically we do. We just aren't present for history's previous lessons.

[–]amajesticmoogleTin 7 points8 points  (2 children)

If only we could read history... Or take the advice of those who were there...

[–]TheTrueBlueTJDeveloper 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is so true, it hurts

[–]TwentyCharactersShorTin | UKPers.Fin. 50 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Because hundreds of years of banking hid that problem so well.

[–]deebobby1Tin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would never agree that any good thing is coming out of this shit show

[–]RabidMiningPlatinum | QC: GPUmining 22, XMR 21, ETH 18 | MiningSubs 62 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yet most people are brainwashed by mainstream goverment media and don't know about crypto so centralization is all they know and belive in.

[–]Mashadow21Bronze | SHIB 25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also reminds us why it will never happen.
Things with value will always get centralized by them fatnecks.

[–]Flynn_KevinPlatinum | QC: CC 139, ETH 118, XMR 80 | MiningSubs 178 29 points30 points  (13 children)

Monero hasn't ever let me down.

[–]samuraipizzacat420Tin 14 points15 points  (1 child)

monero actually used as money where ever other coin is an investment. wich has gone south. i fucking love monero

[–]Flynn_KevinPlatinum | QC: CC 139, ETH 118, XMR 80 | MiningSubs 178 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's held up better than any of my other crypto through this bear, and it's because people use it as currency instead of speculation.

[–]be_bo_i_am_robotPlatinum | QC: CC 31, XMR 17 | r/SSB 14 | Unpop.Opin. 33 15 points16 points  (9 children)

Satoshi’s vision, made real.

[–]Flynn_KevinPlatinum | QC: CC 139, ETH 118, XMR 80 | MiningSubs 178 14 points15 points  (6 children)

The only thing I'd change about it is transaction finality if it were possible, but if waiting 15 minutes or so is the price we pay for privacy, then so be it.

[–]BollockSnotBronze | LRC 21 | Superstonk 28 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Even with swift payments can take 2 hours. 15 mins is nothing

[–]Bok101Tin 2 points3 points  (2 children)

But is swift not only used for transfers? I don't actually know, but I was under the impression that payments were more or less instant on visa or mastercard, where as swift would only be used to make a wire transfer.

[–]wsdfasdTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I completely love that exchange platform because of that I am rich

[–]DeeperBagsBronze 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We undermine the very purpose of blockchain in order to make it accessible. I argue there is no reason a DEX cannot be as simple and and intuitive as a CEX, so not sure why we keep pumping money into centralized solutions.

I think there's an incoming wave of next generation DEXs/DEX aggregators that will be able to compete with centralized parties in ease of use and on boarding potential.

[–]beepbeepdipBronze | QC: CC 22 10 points11 points  (8 children)

It's fine to use centralized services, but in just 5 minutes you can turn it into a decentralized asset just by withdrawing it.

[–]jesta030Bronze | SC 38 | r/AMD 59 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Until you can't because the decentralised service is insolvent.

[–]RocketMoonShotPlatinum | QC: CC 15 | Accounting 116 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's why you should always hold your assets in cold storage. Chasing yield is a fools game.

[–]vadimanageTin | 5 months old 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is easy to use them but most of the people do not even know about them

[–]RocketMoonShotPlatinum | QC: CC 15 | Accounting 116 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Cold storage is your only refuge.

[–]RationalDialogBronze | 4 months old | r/Prog. 12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it does. Because you should run your own node and connect to that one.

[–]deathbyfish13NFT Degen 9 points10 points  (3 children)

It gets the people going, but ultimately doesn't mean much anymore

[–]ArjanaEUPlatinum | QC: CC 46 | Politics 13 16 points17 points  (0 children)

If anything became clear from the FTX drama is that decentralisation is key to survival in this space. I mean look at Solana aswell, centralised AF (also a victem of FTX ofc).

It is to the detriment of the consumer that they choose the centralised option.

[–]JSchuler99 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Unless you use Bitcoin. Infura runs Ethereum.

[–]moldyjellybeanSilver | QC: CC 462, DOGE 185, BTC 61 | r/SSB 62 | r/WSB 58 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Call me crazy but basically all POS is centralized. The only things I think are decentralized are no premine, POW, no VC.

[–]BravisimoTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It really does seem that way doesnt it? Its only going to get exponentially worse here in the coming months.

[–]DerpJungler"CryptoBro" 52 points53 points  (9 children)

Satoshi: Here, take this decentralized coin. Im out.

Rest of the world: OKAY WHAT IF WE CREATE A WHOLE INDUSTRY OUT OF THIS?

[–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 574 | r/WSB 16 11 points12 points  (2 children)

greed destroys everything…

[–]Alfador8Platinum | QC: BTC 419, CC 21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not Bitcoin

[–]Financial_Clue_2534Tin 11 points12 points  (4 children)

As long as humans are involved they will always creep towards self interest

[–]SergKnifeTin | 3 months old 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everyone in this world would always prefer self and rest over anything else

[–]OneloffSilver | QC: CC 234 | DayTrading 142 | TraderSubs 144 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yet nobody wants to admit that they are selfish. Funny isn’t it...

[–]natufianSilver | QC: CC 105 | IOTA 223 | TraderSubs 57 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It is just bizzarre how centralized the industry happens to be

It doesn't "happen to be" centralized. It's centralized because centralization is easier, and faster, and more efficient and generally just better by every metric except the few specific ones where it isn't (censorship resistance, redundancy for continuity of service, increasing size of anonymity set).

99% of the time 99% of us don't benefit from the excruciating costs incurred by a meaningful degree of decentralization. So the market does what markets do, it rewards product fit for the use-cases consumers actually care about. And to be fair to consumers, we are not a mono-culture with a common lore. Some of us go back to the days of the original cypherpunks and early hacker ethos, many of us were raised up on the solid food of Andreas Antonopolous. Most are here to stack some USD in anticipation of looming economic hardships. To each his or her own.

Don't be perplexed. In practice, the "decentralization" frame is a relatively niche subset of the "market fit" frame. Always was. The next major shift to anticipate is decentralization's role as we exit this current epoch of regulatory arbitrage (in response to Luna, Celsius, 3AC, FTX, etc). As the market bifurcates into projects with an appetite for regulatory compliance vs those wishing to remain largely agnostic we might expect further polarization with regards to decentralization.

Just some food for though.

[–]be_bo_i_am_robotPlatinum | QC: CC 31, XMR 17 | r/SSB 14 | Unpop.Opin. 33 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well, we used to use UseNet and IRC to have discussions on the internet, but now we use Reddit/Twitter and Slack/Telegram, which are centralized web things owned and managed by companies.

Perhaps disintermediation is but a pipe dream after all.

[–]zuzu2020Time-chain 17 points18 points  (1 child)

There is no new industry here and the sooner your learn that the better. The only innovation here was the discovery of Bitcoin all others are noise and will be all under government regulation and centralized entities.

[–]KAX1107 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There is no new industry here

I disagree. There is a new industry of noise and scam feedback loop. It's the same old industry or even worse maybe, doesn't change anything and has no meaningful use case. It's basically corporate, VC fiat industry. Issue equities on blockchain, give majority shares to ownership and management, control distribution like any equity issuance with central premines and shady IPOs then market blockchain buzzwords to escape from legacy regulations. "Don't regulate us. It's decentralized. We're also using blockchain like bitcoin."

Satoshi open sourced his life's work for free so that anyone in the world could audit the code. Instead tens of thousands of greedy rent seekers forked and centralized the shit out of it trying to become the new bankers. If you want to enable this industry that's upto each person to decide. BTC and XMR are the only ones I support.

[–]Every_Hunt_160Platinum | QC: CC 517 | r/SSB 10 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Not bizarre, in fact quite inevitable when you think about it

Governments/Regulators aren't going to let decentralisation pass like they've been doing so for the past few years and this bear market is the best time for them to clamp down (Negative public perception of crypto is at an all time high). So they are doing all they can to strong-arm the big players to comply, if not those companies (e.g metamask) won't be able to operate there.

[–]immibisPlatinum | QC: CC 28 | r/Prog. 111 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is Infura not Metamask.

[–]MasterOwelTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Metamors code never be successful in this world i can sensee

[–]circleuranusPlatinum | QC: ETH 82, CC 68 | ADA 10 | Politics 199 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Going too far down the rabbit hole might lead one to conclude the volatility and negative pressure was engineered to produce this exact effect. Or it could just be a coincidence of timing. Who knows?

[–]RationalDialogBronze | 4 months old | r/Prog. 12 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Not only centralized but completely open and 0 privacy. Except for monero. Honestly I think that is why there actually is interest in corporate world. imagine the data mining you can do by tracking a persons every single transactions. Yes visa can do that but do you pay everything with Visa? they don't know about what you earn or other payments via bank transfer or you master card payments. With crypto all is out in the open for everyone to see and analyze. One thing for Visa to know, another for Google /Apple/Meta on top what they already do or foreign governments.

We have to be aware this can all be used against the initial goal. And it is why I'm highly skeptical of the success of any blockchain that does not have moneros features. I would simply not use a blockchain for everyday use without privacy guarantees. And the issue is the eternal memory. Once your addressed is doxxxed anything can be reconstructed after the fact.

[–]surebud234Tin | 2 months old 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Buzzard? I’m surprised that all coins haven’t been cancelled for state fun coins and tokens.

Dude fuck predictive text so fucking much I can’t stand it anymore. You type the entire fucking word and then you hit space and type shit maybe the next 2 letters of the next word before it changes your previous word that we have already moved on from. What in fucks sake. I know this isn’t the place but it was the fucking straw that broke the cameras back

[–]Budget_Detective2639Tin | 3 months old 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It used to not be like this, I'd say cryptos all been downhill in terms of philosophy since like 2015

[–]athsrueasBronze | QC: CC 22 | r/WSB 18 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Doesn't help how expensive it is to be a node provider. Gotta have 32 eth

[–]mechman19Bronze 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Infura =/= MetaMask

If you don’t like Infura use a different RPC https://ethereumnodes.com/

[–]Snowflake8050Tin | 5 months old[S] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Sadly, Consenys will probably own the majority of MM tokens and governance will be broken.

[–]fuckermaster3000Platinum | QC: CC 375 14 points15 points  (0 children)

As always. Governance is a meme

[–]Tavionnf 20 points21 points  (3 children)

If tracking your IP is being forced by law, governance tokens won't help us. There are laws like that in Germany for example. We gonna have to vote for parties that do not support that.

[–]Moneroship_Monero 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Monero will. ;)

Make protocols that cannot be regulated.

[–]hnhdamTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Atmite provide but it all depends on the company regulations

[–]heyheoyPlatinum | QC: CC 1105, CCMeta 18 17 points18 points  (1 child)

they did this "Hey guys we will decentralize Metamask, expect some airdrop" more than 1 year ago... After this people started using the Swap inside Metamask that charges a fortune and they start making millions per month just bc of this. 1+ year later no news, at this point i think the airdrop thing was a tactic to make money using people hopes.

[–]ferdsXoomTin | 1 month old 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We will be waiting a while longer

[–]Far-Scholar9028Platinum | QC: CC 226 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The sad truth is, even if an airdrop happens, the metamask team will have more than enough of their token to rig the results to whatever they want it to be

[–]Low-Cattle-5142Tin 2 points3 points  (4 children)

They could probably go back on their decision if this gets enough attention and uproar.

[–]WulkingdeadPlatinum | QC: CC 442, ETH 15 12 points13 points  (3 children)

[–]BakedPotato840Rusty Tin | -69 months old 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's great, hopefully they get it done soon

[–]Low-Cattle-5142Tin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Now, that's great! Why does it need "fixing" if they implemented it themselves tho. They should just say, "We've changed our minds and decided that privacy is priority"

[–]kapein 28 points29 points  (22 children)

Gamestop wallet

Edit : https://nft.gamestop.com/

[–]Kike328Silver | QC: CC 564, ETH 268, CT 16 | CRO 28 | ExchSubs 28 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Do you really think that GameStop doesn’t track your IP? The even DO NOT state what RPC provider are they using, which is even more suspicious.

They could be using easily infura and we would have the same issue. The wallet is NOT the issue, the provider is. Metamask is not tracking anything, infura is

[–]Technical_Order7673Tin | 1 month old | CC critic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They wouldn't be airdropping their token soon, if they would,it would be hard for them to make these changes.

[–]Bucksaway03 288 points289 points  (50 children)

Well done Metamask.

You just introduced a reason to continue to avoid you.

[–]user260421Platinum | QC: CC 52, ETH 23 | TraderSubs 10 17 points18 points  (34 children)

What's your go to?

[–]PiratexelATin 55 points56 points  (6 children)

Loopring wallet is my go to. Social recovery makes my funds safe. Some cataclysmic end of world shit has to go down for me to lose access. Simultaneously I'd have to have my back up wallets hacked, my physical seed keys destroyed, my phone and laptop stolen, and two of my friends dead. Otherwise, I can recover from any mix of those.

[–]TheGiftOf_JerichoPlatinum | QC: CC 813 | ADA 5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep, I stopped using it as much but now I'm gonna totally avoid.

[–]OneThatNoseOneBronze | QC: CC 20 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They also collect your bank account information btw

[–]EdgeLord19941 156 points157 points  (26 children)

Oh look I live in Cambodia, wait no it's Italy, good luck catching me in Brazil Metamask.

[–]DerpJungler"CryptoBro" 47 points48 points  (8 children)

Do Kwon is that you?

[–]UltraHyperDonkeyDickBronze 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Couldn't be, Do Kwon isn't making any effort to hide /s

[–]homrqtTo The Moon! 5 points6 points  (1 child)

He's just right here waiting for the police to come get him. Right here. On planet Earth. Maybe.

[–]ShadyCryptoGuyTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro went to the moon....

[–]Snowflake8050Tin | 5 months old[S] 12 points13 points  (10 children)

Keep em guessing

[–]Ill-Addition2024Tin | CC critic 10 points11 points  (9 children)

I just downloaded a VPN, thanks to you guys

[–]OneloffSilver | QC: CC 234 | DayTrading 142 | TraderSubs 144 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Once you go VPN, you’ll never go back... Enjoy the free-internet.

[–]The_Chorizo_BanditSilver | QC: CC 821, XRP 40 | TRX 28 6 points7 points  (1 child)

So many sites are starting to block you if it detects a VPN though, it’s incredibly frustrating.

[–]OneloffSilver | QC: CC 234 | DayTrading 142 | TraderSubs 144 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I’ve come across this sometimes. Unless I must use the site I’ll just go to another.

Nonetheless, it can be annoying.

[–]Ill-Addition2024Tin | CC critic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I will !

[–]Journey-DestinationTin 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'd recommend a non-logging VPN. Some of the most popular/free VPNs are questionable.

Look at something like Proton VPN or Mullvad - both also have Bitcoin payment options that don't require you to doxx yourself.

[–]Ur_mothers_keeperPlatinum | QC: XMR 278, ETH 61, CC 31 | Privacy 351 93 points94 points  (9 children)

Oh my god do any of you even know what an IP address is? Literally every server you connect to on the internet gets your IP address. If you were basing your security on the goodwill of others you're asking for it. The onus is on you to protect yourself, wear a rubber, use a good VPN or use Tor, don't raw dog the internet.

[–]TheLazyD0GBronze | Politics 21 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Yeah im not sure how they were able to serve you a website without collecting your IP.

[–]Kat-but-SFWTin | PCmasterrace 14 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Or put your transaction into the mempool without seeing what transaction you want to add to the mempool, or scan the blockchain for your wallet balance without knowing what to scan for...

[–]subdepethereum 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Thanks for being the voice of reason here.

IP addresses are useful for many different purposes and are not a fucking secret.

Funny thing is tons of people are using Metamask with Chrome, and what do they think Google does with that information alone? LOL

[–]HereForTheNervesTin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The ironic difference is that everyone already expects Google to capture and exploit as much private information as possible, so they don't fret as much about that scenario. DeFi is "supposed to be better" about such things. I think it's not so much about IP addresses actually being saved/used: it's about the misplaced trust and allegedly broken trust in DeFi technologies.

This might be a shock to some, but it turns out DeFi companies will do what they can to make money, too. If your info is up for grabs, then consider it part of that transaction.

[–]ricozuriBronze | QC: CC 19 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Couldn’t have said it better.

[–]raw_cakeRedditor for 3 months. 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Ankr has free public RPCs that don’t collect user data: https://youtu.be/YjvuYcKDWVo

[–]shootingpiscesTin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well that's just good man, thanks for this one for real.

[–]raw_cakeRedditor for 3 months. 2 points3 points  (0 children)

🫡

[–]Kike328Silver | QC: CC 564, ETH 268, CT 16 | CRO 28 | ExchSubs 28 62 points63 points  (6 children)

Metamask is not collecting your IP… Infura is doing it.

Just change your RPC to another provider, but most of them will log your IP, they always have done it

[–]pot_head_engineer 37 points38 points  (13 children)

Would it be easy to move my NFTs on metamask to GameStop wallet?

[–]CalameroBronze 47 points48 points  (3 children)

Your NFTs are not “on” metamask. Metamask is just a front end to display blockchain information of your public wallet address.

GameStop wallet allows you to import your own keys, you just do that and you can get rid of MM.

Here is a guide:

https://support.blockchain.gamestop.com/hc/en-us/articles/5558142529555-How-do-I-migrate-my-wallet-from-MetaMask-to-the-GameStop-Wallet-

[–]Stiltzkinn 4 points5 points  (1 child)

NFTs are not .jpeg archives as this sub likes to mock, your NFTs are tokens in the blockchain you just need to change your wallet.

[–]legitbsTin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this, hope others will see this right now man.

[–]kim_jong_un_da3rdTin | 3 months old 62 points63 points  (55 children)

A good vpn is an option

[–]Tavionnf 39 points40 points  (10 children)

VPN connection is only as trustable as your VPN provider.

[–]Tribalboi69Bronze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Use mulvad ivpn or ovpn, you can pay using monero and they don’t have log in information.

They provide a random string for your account which you gotta save though.

All of them support torrents and opvn supports netflix streaming.

Dont use nordvpn or express or tunnel they are sus as fuck.

[–]zagdemTin | Economy 21 9 points10 points  (4 children)

And most of them have an history of bending to governments. So. Meh.

[–]haunted-liver-1Tin | Privacy 17 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So only buy from the good ones. There's several.

[–]Bucksaway03 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Whilst an option I shouldn't have to be using one

[–]Far-Scholar9028Platinum | QC: CC 226 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Cant wait for a wallet with built in vpn

[–]LiberalMasochistTin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Trezor suite uses tor by default

[–]bny192677Platinum | QC: CC 407 8 points9 points  (29 children)

VPN not just tracks your IP, not using the proper VPN could eventually make you lose all your holdings

[–]AnewbiZ_Platinum | QC: ATOM 25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A good paid VPN is generally the best option. I use Nord personally. Never had an issue.

But have heard good things about proton, Sentinel which is a decentralized VPN based in the cosmos ecosystem $DVPN, and mullvad as very strong options.

[–]JoeChip87Tin | r/SSB 10 11 points12 points  (22 children)

Not using a vetted and well reviewed VPN is really the fault of the user, though. There’s plenty of info out there to point you in the right direction.

I know it’s sort of the gold standard but I used Nord for years and have never had a single issue when it came to trading, minting, buying/selling on dex’s as well as cex’s. If you want true anonymity while using Nord, you can create an account using an onion router, and proton mail (using their onion URL)

There is however Mullvad VPN that only requires a payment (in one of a number of coins/tokens, including Monero), and then simply gives a number out as your user info for login. They also have a .onion URL that you can access to set up said account.

Hope this helps someone out. And definitely not vouching or trying to shill either of them. Just sharing my experience.

[–]Europa_GainsBronze | CRO 9 | ExchSubs 12 9 points10 points  (17 children)

Proton VPN also a good option. The important part is it is log less.

[–]apbt-dadTin 3 points4 points  (14 children)

Till they are forced by law enforcement. I was using Proton VPN for a while but switched to another provider after I read about Proton being forced to cooperate.

[–]JoeChip87Tin | r/SSB 10 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I believe you’re referring to their email server logs. And this was for communication that was obviously not using PGP, and was therefore not E2EE (end-to-end encrypted). Proton will encrypt comms between two proton users, but this is only if someone sets up their PGP keys correctly.

If one is properly using PGP keys with another party— there isn’t any way of them obtaining any text comms being exchanged. Unless they were using a supercomputer, and even then it would take months if not years.

—they just move onto the next easier case at that point. Plenty of people not using PGP.

[–]apbt-dadTin 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You are right. I stand corrected.

[–]JoeChip87Tin | r/SSB 10 2 points3 points  (1 child)

No worries man. I know a good deal about this stuff for work. Have a good thanksgiving! (if you’re a fellow idiot American, like me) 😅

[–]apbt-dadTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha thanks mate. Yes idiot American here, happy Thanksgiving to you too. 😊

[–]JoeChip87Tin | r/SSB 10 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is proton truly not logging anything, running everything on ram servers that are just automatically cache cleared? If so, this is news to me.

I know that Nord is based in Panama, in which the USA (as well as the other 4 eyes, I believe) has no jurisdiction in and therefore cannot request any logs, legally.

I’m sure they could get them via electronic means somehow. But the jurisdictional thing will save you in court if it ever comes to anything like that.

[–]Europa_GainsBronze | CRO 9 | ExchSubs 12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I cannot confirm that. That is only what they claim. They’re also based in Switzerland which helps.

I would actually like to know though!

[–]cryptoripto123Silver|QC:BTC270,Coinbase244,CC104|CelsiusNet.94|ExchSubs244 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Who has lost their holdings from not using a proper VPN?

[–]IWillKillPutin2022Tin | 4 months old | CC critic | CelsiusNet. 50 14 points15 points  (1 child)

This post was sponsored by NordVPN!

[–]theerzaTin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha, we are just loving these things in the comments.

[–]Kike328Silver | QC: CC 564, ETH 268, CT 16 | CRO 28 | ExchSubs 28 20 points21 points  (3 children)

It’s incredible the amount of misconceptions around this topic.

METAMASK DOES NOT LOG YOUR IP.

Metamask is just a wallet, like ledger or like a piece of paper with a private key written on it.

It also allows you to interface with nodes, like most wallets out there. But to interface with those nodes, is necessary to interact with a blockchain provider, in this case, infura. Infura logs the IP, and will log it if you use with MetaMask OR WITH ANY OTHER WALLET.

You can easily change Infura from your MetaMask wallet

[–]AvanchnzelPlatinum | QC: XMR 56, LW 31, CC 15 | CelsiusNet. 6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wrong title.

It's not MetaMask that is collecting your IP. It's the default RPC (Infura) which will collect it even if you use it in another software wallet.

Just change the RPC and you're good.

I'd use sth. like https://chainlist.org/ to switch to a new RPC nice and easy.

[–]HashtagYoMammaTin | KIN 6 | Superstonk 157 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Gamestop wallet.

[–]SookMaPloomsTin | Superstonk 25 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Loopring or GameStop wallet

[–]pazvazTin | Superstonk 68 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Gamestop wallet.

[–]zipzopzobittybopTin 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Strikex wallet is kinda nice, good ui and self custodial

[–]bonik19954Tin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well yeah man, most of us can say that, the are good.

[–]karmapaymentplan_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Been using that, pretty nice so far

[–]cjeapelTin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is just fucking wrong man but most of them are doing this.

[–]BollockSnotBronze | LRC 21 | Superstonk 28 33 points34 points  (22 children)

GameStop wallet is how I will be operating

E/ seems they collect IP as well

[–]Christiefresh1Tin 24 points25 points  (6 children)

I mean jp Morgan does own it what did we expect

[–]Accomplished-Design7Platinum | QC: CC 812 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That is how these big businesses ruin decentralized things

[–]AlbinoniteTin | 1 month old 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That is not surprising now.

[–]Two_Pickachu_One_CupCryptocurrency Analyst 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sataying with Metamask:

God I could use some good satay right now.

[–]Accomplished-Design7Platinum | QC: CC 812 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Me no likey this they doey

[–]KingKneeChoose Lambo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Samesy

[–]MrBullishhTin | r/CMS 6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Moved to strikeX wallet, problem solved

[–]tobypassquarantPlatinum | QC: CC 144 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Abandon that app.

Next comes geolocation tracking and blocking if you're from certain countries. Say the EU bans crypto but you're connecting from an EU IP? You can no longer access MetaMask.

[–]SartherisBronze | CRO 20 | ExchSubs 20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What about Brave wallet?

[–]FreshDopeBoyBronze | ADA 24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

brave enters into the chat. You don't need to install the wallet because it's built into the browser.

[–]mach3fetus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've had pretty good luck with the Brave Wallet.

[–]Tribalboi69Bronze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just change the rpc or don’t use mm, there are better wallets out there.

[–]blubberysealcoatTin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's unbelievable how the original ideology that propelled crypto forward has just become an afterthought. It's just a money making vehicle like anything else in the traditional economy. Makes me sad.

[–]rallieralTin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Decentralize Metamask. Pocket network. This is the way!

[–]makemesteaksTin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Metamask isn't storing anything, Infura is. Just change the RPC and you're good to go (if you go to Alchemy, most likely they are doing the same).

[–]NirbhikTin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Decentralization and anonimity are mere farcical illusions

[–]gwt002Tin | 5 months old 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So fucking bad but most of them are just doing this shit.

[–]CryptojannePlatinum | QC: ETH 42, CC 27 | TraderSubs 19 30 points31 points  (22 children)

Just use your own node, it’s simple and that is what they were designed for. People in this space has gotten to lazy to follow the ethos of crypto.

[–]ben165Bronze 12 points13 points  (10 children)

Doesn't it take a lot of resources?

[–]TrixteriTin | CC critic 14 points15 points  (9 children)

yeah I want to run a node but 4tb of nvme ssd is like $600 CAD. not really feasible.

[–]erpetaoBronze | QC: CC 18 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2Tb is enough

[–]0xf3eGentlewhale 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Is a light client ready yet? I want to run geth in light client mode, I dont have so much ressources to run a whole node.

[–]robeewankenobeeSilver | QC: CC 334, ALGO 29, BNB 20 | ADA 232 | ExchSubs 20 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not feasible for the masses.

[–]michivideosSilver | QC: CC 133 | GME_Meltdown 61 | r/WSB 97 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes, "adoption is right around the corner".

[–]CymandeTVYour forever DM 3 points4 points  (3 children)

It all depends of the amout of crypto you have in Metamask. VPN or just don't bother.

[–]WulkingdeadPlatinum | QC: CC 442, ETH 15 5 points6 points  (4 children)

https://twitter.com/danfinlay/status/1595647164520140800?t=NF5Az4tqatVjUpUHaWtVhQ&s=19

The dev Dan finlay already replied that they will fix this.

[–]Snowflake8050Tin | 5 months old[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

People have been sugesting GameStop Wallet and Brave wallet.

GameSop does also collect your IP adress.

Brave Wallet uses Infura as default RPC too.

[–]OctagonalSquare 3 points4 points  (0 children)

GameStop wallet

[–]KappatalizablePlatinum | QC: CC 823 18 points19 points  (18 children)

Well that sucks. Ive been using MM ever since Ive been here and now I actually have to look at alternatives. Why do these companies always try to 'fix' something that is not broken?

[–]flatpak2021_08_2021Silver | QC: CC 40 | ADA 70 23 points24 points  (6 children)

no you don't. just change your RPC like OP suggested

[–]deathbyfish13NFT Degen 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Damn, you expect people to read the post?

[–]Odysseus_LannisterPlatinum | QC: CC 1476 7 points8 points  (4 children)

To be fair, I’d say 3/4 people don’t read the actual post and just say something based off the title

[–]MatrixObito8686Tin | 1 month old 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's true man, they just jump to conclusions before reading the post or its contents.

[–]MrMogzPlatinum | QC: CC 271, BTC 20 | r/CMS 20 | r/Pers.Fin.Cnd. 20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AHHH, scary title!!! Let me go comment about how shitty MM is and how we should all move to GameStop wallet which certainly doesn't already use all your data to make you the product!!

Let's go, boys and girls!

[–]Every_Hunt_160Platinum | QC: CC 517 | r/SSB 10 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They have to comply with regulations for them not to be banned by certain countries

[–]WulkingdeadPlatinum | QC: CC 442, ETH 15 8 points9 points  (2 children)

[–]RadicalRaidSilver | QC: BTC 18 | BANANO 24 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"Whoops accidentally added storage of IP-addresses, my bad. We don't even use them so weird this got programmed on accident you know how it be"

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[–]BaecchusPlatinum | QC: CC 541 | r/WSB 11 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Why do these companies always try to 'fix' something that is not broken?

So they can sell your info.

[–]Snowflake8050Tin | 5 months old[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Because they are not fixing. They are intentionally tracking you to cover their asses.

[–]KAX1107 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Only use Bitcoin and Monero. No centralized shitcoins so don't care. Everything else is just a silicon valley start up. They can and will have eventually on chain KYC. If you don't recognize it then you're not paying attention.

[–]dozebullSilver | QC: CC 28, DOGE 22 | TRX 26 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Tails for added security.

[–]KAX1107 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Electrum on Tails and Bisq all the way!

[–]-BananasBandana-Tin 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Im shocked how many people still think VPNs make them anonymous 😅

[–]Hqjjciy6sJrPlatinum | QC: BTC 27 | Firefox 12 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Not sure if Alchemy is an improvement:

"We may collect certain information automatically when you use our Services, such as your Internet protocol (IP) address, user settings, MAC address, cookie identifiers, mobile carrier, mobile advertising and other unique identifiers, browser or device information, location information (including approximate location derived from IP address), and Internet service provider. We may also automatically collect information regarding your use of our Services, such as pages that you visit before, during and after using our Services, information about the links you click, the types of content you interact with, the frequency and duration of your activities, and other information about how you use our Services."

https://www.alchemy.com/policies/privacy-policy

[–]IWillKillPutin2022Tin | 4 months old | CC critic | CelsiusNet. 50 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for making this post! Fuck this shit

[–]Slainte042Platinum | QC: CC 523 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hard wallet here we go.

[–]Castr0-We Shall HODL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sadly becoming even more centralized. I would like to vote against that shit.

[–]imfrombizSilver | QC: BCH 37 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just use vpn

[–]The_Chorizo_BanditSilver | QC: CC 821, XRP 40 | TRX 28 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This post was sponsored by Nord VPN.

[–]Snowflake8050Tin | 5 months old[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll take their sponsor money very kindly

[–]Chet_kranderpentinePlatinum | QC: CC 381 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would using a VPN also help in this scenario?

[–]Exarc799Tin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

MyEtherWallet’s Enkrypt web3 browser extension is a great option imo

[–]TheFudIsRealTin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What about if you were using a VPN would they still get your ip?

Are they the first to do this or is this also a risk when using other networks via metamask?

[–]LitesLigerBronze 1 point2 points  (1 child)

While ago i did a tutorial how to change the RPC to one that's censorship resistant, guide for those interested or new to this stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMPEItY9vOw

[–]th3_3nd_15_n347Tin | 4 months old | PCgaming 22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not MetaMask, it's Infura. Just change your RPC

[–]SpaceBumCraig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like centralized garbage to me.

[–]verysillymanSilver | QC: CC 76, DOGE 36 | r/SSB 12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does using a VPN get around this?

[–]OK_RenegadePlatinum | QC: CC 239 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like we are not already being tracked 24/7

[–]jackhippoBronze | QC: CC 19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vpn?