I’ve been a fan of the Pumpkins for decades. And yet Billy opening up at the end of the episode about the Spin photo shoot into his perception of SD being him at his most vulnerable and then needing to disassociate from himself on the following records because of abuse finally crystallized everything he is to me. I was incredibly moved and saddened and feel like I gained a ton of new insight into his character and why he is the way he is as an artist. Anyway, I’m sure many of you already knew this, but if you haven’t listened to that particular episode yet I highly recommend it.