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Six things I learned from reading The Iliad

1. Kids have been building sandcastles by the beach for at least 3000 years.

He kicked down the wall of the Achaeans as easily as a child who, playing on the sea-shore, has built a house of sand and then kicks it down again and destroys it.

Can't blame them. Healthy outdoor fun AND an always handy metaphor for the transience of earthly things.

2. Marriage dynamics haven't changed much since the invasion of Troy:

But father Zeus, when he saw Athena and Hera, was very angry… …’I will hurl them from their chariot, and will break it in pieces. It will take them all ten years to heal the wounds my lightning shall inflict upon them; my grey-eyed daughter will then learn what quarrelling with her father means. I am less surprised and angry with Hera, for whatever I say she always contradicts me.’

3. Cute, innocent, cuddly rainbows, as we know and love them from My Little Pony, the LGBT flag, and every kid drawing ever, used to be a terrifying omen of calamities:

…like a lurid rainbow Zeus sends arching down to mortal men from the high skies, a sign of war or blizzard to freeze the summer’s warmth.

4. The Olympian gods are the OG conspiracy theory.

The fortunes of war have turned against us. Is this because of bad leadership, low morale, or because we are simply outnumbered? No, man, I'm telling you, it's because of tHe GoDs!!1! They're monitoring and controlling everything and selectively interfering at seemingly random times. And the only reason you can't see them is that they're so powerful they can make themselves invisible.

5. On the same note, it's so much easier to explain things away with polytheism than with monotheism.

When the luck of battle changes every other moment in an inscrutable chaos and the guy who was just being blessed by the higher powers 10 minutes ago is now having a spear thrust through his liver and his skull crushed under a horse’s hoof, that's just because Ares was a huge fan of his but Athena hated his guts and they were just taking turns getting their way.

6. Achilles is an evil, boastful, whiny, narcissistic asshole who deserves a slow and painful death.

I never realized this:

The dead hero had had house-dogs; two of them did Achilles slay and threw upon the pyre; he also put twelve brave sons of noble Trojans to the sword and laid them with the rest, for he was full of bitterness and fury.

...and later:

He yoked his horses to his chariot, and bound the body of Hector behind it that he might drag it about. Thrice did he drag it round the tomb of the son of Menoetius, and then went back into his tent, leaving the body on the ground full length and with its face downwards.

And there's plenty where that came from. I was just waiting around for his inevitable demise and then the book bloody well ended before it even happened. Sheesh.

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Which translation did you read? I read the Verity translation fairly recently and was really surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I'd read the Odyssey and enjoyed that, but always got the impression the Iliad was boring by comparison. I ended liking it much more.

You're not wrong about Achilles but he sometimes stands next to Agamemnon, and a beer-fart in a jar would look like a great guy if it stood next to Agamemnon.

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About Achilles, isn't it kind of the point that he was a dick? I always saw him as the first anti hero in some ways.

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It's been years since I read it, by I can still remember my favorite line is a diss on Agamemnon.

"Thou sot! With eye of dog and heart of deer!"

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I definitely enjoyed the Lombardo translation, had to read it in Uni not long after 300 came out. Lots of discussion about how inaccurate 300 was, but it did a fantastic job of portraying images, and Lombardo made the text seem cinematic.

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And Paris is even worse than either of them. Agamemnon at least cares about his brother. Paris doesn't care about anyone but himself.

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O.o Illiad is so much better imo than odyssey. I read it at least once a year growing up haha

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I’ve always thought that the Fagles English translation is the most enjoyable read.

I think historically the Hobbes and the Pope translations are considered the most accurate to original.

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Man i feel so privileged being taught the Iliad ( and Odyssey ) in ancient hellenic when in mid school.

I have never read it in English . Achilleas (ΑΧΙΛΕΥΣ/ΑΧΙΛΕΑΣ ) is the OG anti hero in my books. King of the Myrmidons, greater warrior of his time, with a single weak spot - will pause here to prevent any spoilers to people that want to dig into the mythical figures.

his name, as all hellenic names have a meaning; his is "person that tend to have anxious rage/ angy sadness)

Palmer's and Nagy's interpretation is "the person that causes anxiety to the army" ; i personally disagree with that application.

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Just remember the sun spit morning. With its rosy fingers

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I'm waiting for Emily Wilson's translation of the Illiad. Her translation of the Odyssey was absolutely amazing!

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Use the Fagles.

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My favorite Achilles quote (delivered just before murdering Hector):

"YOU DOG. Do not beg me kneeling, do not speak of parentage. My only wish is that I find the strength and rage to hack your flesh to pieces and eat it raw for the wrongs you have done me."

I've been trying to use this in polite conversation, but it's been difficult to find the right moment.

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· 15 hr. ago

Lmao why are we all doing spoiler tags over the most famous duel of all time?

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It's not murder when it's on a battlefield in a war

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· 18 hr. ago · edited 18 hr. ago

Tis true...

Will be difficult to find an excuse to use that.

Edit: Actually, NVM, just found an entire crowd that needs to hear this...

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Yeah, I have a tough time recognizing Achilles as a dick for this, considering the very wrongs Hector had done. Achilles was fucked up about it, bro.

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I find it hilarious that we are using spoiler tags for a 3000 year old book.

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You need to understand that, as much as society depends on it, sometimes polite conversation is over-rated.

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Seems like many opportunities would arise.

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