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    [–]FTAKJ 26 points27 points  (13 children)

    The real problem there is one person will come in with a reasonably informed opinion and receives many upvotes. First child comment agrees and receives a high number of upvotes.

    Then someone comes in with a dissenting opinion, which is also reasonably informed, but he gets downvoted to obivion.

    In this game, either person can be right, and the way the votes go these days it actually encourages less discussion, because everyone will be too scared to share an opposing view knowing it will just be downvoted.

    [–]Linkfoursword 11 points12 points  (11 children)

    I have NEVER understood why people care so much about upvotes and downvotes. I don't even know the last time I upvoted or downvoted someone or looked at my karma.

    [–]matt_the_hat 14 points15 points  (6 children)

    Votes determine which comments appear higher or lower on the page, and therefore how many people are likely to see them.

    [–]Ram-U 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    This is one of the most trigger-happy subs, in terms of downvotes, that I subscribe to. Not sure why, really. I wish people understood that it's not a disagree button.

    But I agree with you, I think it really inhibits discussion. In my experience, I find the ones that are commenting aren't the ones downvoting. It's...the lurkers

    [–]dharasick🍤⌚ 2012 AC Top 10, 2013 AC Top 5, 2021 Cmltv Top 10[M] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Mods have very little control over rampant downvoting. All we really can do is try to encourage a positive atmosphere.

    [–]Ram-U 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Totally understand. I think you guys do a great job of filtering out a lot of the BS. The downvotes are just an unfortunate side effect of a hobby based on almost pure speculation. And some hold pretty strong convictions.

    [–]plotinus99 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Some subs get rid of the downvote button. Maybe worth considering. Or experimenting with.

    [–]dharasick🍤⌚ 2012 AC Top 10, 2013 AC Top 5, 2021 Cmltv Top 10[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Ours is transparent already, but there's nothing we can do from mobile users or those disabling CSS, both of which are simple workarounds. I've seen enough subreddits experiment with removing downvotes to know that addressing the problem that way is futile.

    [–]Linkfoursword 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I guess. Though I tend to always scroll through new posts. And especially in a forum like this where the threads aren't that long.

    [–]ThePelvicWoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I don't care about my karma but you should be upvoting and downvoting others, don't let good comments get buried!

    [–]dharasick🍤⌚ 2012 AC Top 10, 2013 AC Top 5, 2021 Cmltv Top 10 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Have you never visited the Karma Gift Shop?

    [–]Purdaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Look at any thread about Wallace right now and they all seem to follow this formula.

    [–]moneybagels 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Seems like most player discussion lately is: Tell me this guy is good please, I desperately want to hear reassuring things about my player

    Sometimes literally

    [–]zirtbow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Anders... like Anderson.. Mr Anderson.. with your connection to the matrix can you tell me that J. Charles will be all right? Pls reassure me he will be all right!

    [–]dharasick🍤⌚ 2012 AC Top 10, 2013 AC Top 5, 2021 Cmltv Top 10[M] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    That's to be understood. We're not expecting every Player Discussion to have professional quality analysis.

    The content of the post sets the tone for the comments. Improving the post quality should help guide the discussion, which is the purpose of this post.

    [–]Anders157 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That sounds like a good plan

    [–]Aesop_Rocks 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I think you've done a good job of qualifying what we don't want to see, but how about some guidelines for what we do want to see.

    If I'm going to make a thread to discuss a particular player, I should be able to identify and explain 2-3 (or more) key points I want to discuss. Replies should be based around those points, though new ideas are welcome. Keeping the conversations specific can help to minimize generic answers that don't offer any real insight.

    I realize this would likely mean a lot more mod overhead initially, but over time, I think it might level out as meaningless posts and replies would hopefully decrease.

    [–]dharasick🍤⌚ 2012 AC Top 10, 2013 AC Top 5, 2021 Cmltv Top 10[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I think #3 has some bullet points about what we're looking for.

    [–]Aesop_Rocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah alright, fair enough. I suppose there's no need to be rigid as I suggested.

    [–]Prof_Dankmemes 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Hey guys, you think I can drop ________ this week for ________. Thanks for the free insight in the completely irrelevant thread!

    [–]FlyThruDown 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    Hey, mods, I've been meaning to ask this for awhile now, and since we're discussing discussing players, it seems like a good time.

    Is it possible to implement a rule that any time a specific player is referenced in a thread title, it should always include the player's full name? E.g., "How long will AB remain the most valuable player?" I think we all know who's being referenced here, but it makes for a terrible search experience. Something like, "How long will Antonio Brown remain the most valuable player?" would be much more helpful when trying to reference past threads.

    Any thoughts?

    [–]dharasick🍤⌚ 2012 AC Top 10, 2013 AC Top 5, 2021 Cmltv Top 10[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I personally think that's asking too much of the users. We have our rules plastered all over and we have people every hour completely ignoring them when posting.

    Every post flagged with the Player Discussion flair is placed in the News and Discussion sticky post. If you're searching looking for recent/relevant discussions, it will be there.

    [–]shigydigy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Excellent idea. But idk if you meant force the OP to use the full name. Might be better to just have the post flair be the full name or something

    [–]FlyThruDown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Flair would actually be a great idea, if that's searchable. I was thinking of, yes, forcing OP to use full player name, but whatever would be easiest while still be able to search by player name would be best.

    I personally hate the Reddit circle jerk with searching while reddit search sucks in general, and I especially hate searching /r/fantasyfootball when everyone's writing "AB, AP, AD, DJ, Gronk, TB, Tom, Tommy, TB12, ARod, etc."

    [–]KakunaUsedHarden 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    How did you guys think /u/fantasymod did in the most recent post "Player Discussion Discussion"? I think he's looking like a Sell low candidate right now

    [–]joseville 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Can we ban the use of Cuck, Pepe, Based, Trump, Clinton, Based, Strokes, and Centipedes?

    [–]dharasick🍤⌚ 2012 AC Top 10, 2013 AC Top 5, 2021 Cmltv Top 10 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    [–]Megatron_Masters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Jims been chugging the swish.

    [–]workffthrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    /u/Prayes step aside, new graph designer's in town.

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