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In Charlotte Brontë's "Jane Eyre" (1847), Edward Rochester describes "a string" connecting him to Jane Eyre. Was Brontë inspired by the Red Thread of Fate legend from Chinese mythology, in which two people connected by the red thread are destined lovers, regardless of place, time, or circumstances? by Obversa in AskHistorians

[–]Obversa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More likely, I suspect we are seeing a generic concept that easily manifests in unrelated cultures without any specific connection.

Very interesting, especially with this line, which seems rather reminiscent of Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" (1949), as well as Campbell's other works and views on the intersections of mythology. Thank you for taking the time to write up a detailed explanation!

Monday Methods: Politics, Presentism, and Responding to the President of the AHA by CommodoreCoCo in AskHistorians

[–]Obversa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is not to say we are going to not listen to any recommendations from a member of the community regarding how to be more accessible to people with disabilities, but also to be gentle to remind that you sometimes do not know other peoples struggles and disabilities.

I want to clarify first that my reply was directed at Zhukov, who I am more familiar and comfortable interacting with, and not at you. I don't really know you, and as far as I can recall, we haven't interacted before; or, if we have, I don't remember.

Your response feels a bit dismissive and defensive of the reply I spent a while to consider and type up at Zhukov's request. Again, my reply was not directed at you, or any of the moderators, personally. I was simply recounting my personal feelings and experience(s) in regards to my previous interactions with moderators who may or may not also be disabled. (If the ones I interacted with are disabled, that's news to me.)

I would also add that, though you say "this is a gentle reminder that you don't know other people's struggles and disabilities", you also don't know my struggles and disabilities. Your response made me feel invalidated due to how quick you seemed to be to dismiss my experiences, as well as my feelings, as a fellow disabled person. My response to this would be that, as a user, my experience is different than that of a moderator, and what I'm going by is my interactions with non-disabled moderators.

That being said, this is the first time I've been informed of any of what you spoke of, despite being on the subreddit for several months now, and just reinforces my opinion that there needs to be more open discussions about disability on the subreddit.

All of what you mentioned should not be a "mystery". It should definitely be more publicly addressed, discussed, and and transparent on the subreddit, which would go a long way to changing my view of the subreddit in regards to disability inclusion.

Monday Methods: Politics, Presentism, and Responding to the President of the AHA by CommodoreCoCo in AskHistorians

[–]Obversa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

During a seminar discussion of the American south in the post-Civil War era, saying that Federal forces should have remained in place and forcibly reconstructed the former Confederacy at the point of a bayonet rather than the Corrupt Bargain of 1876;

Saying that Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, etc. were traitors against the United States government and should have recieved full treason trials;

Being told my idea for a paper was "too niche" when I wanted to investigate the story of Albert Cashier, who is - I would argue - the first fully, formally documented transgender military veteran in U.S. history that we know of so far;

Was informed - point blank - by a fellow student in front of a professor that I was "a terrible historian" for "being so virulently against the South, you can't do your job as a historian with any sort of objectivity. You need to separate yourself from your subject." - and the professor said nothing.

I don't know about "too modern", but some of these definitely come across more as your own personal opinions or interpretations that may be irrelevant to the actual history. For example, "Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee should have received full treason trials", which comes across more as a personal opinion than reflecting on what actually happened in history.

To contrast a topic I'm more familiar with, as a disabled amateur historian who has thoroughly studied the controversy over Hans Asperger with the release of Edith Sheffer's Asperger's Children in 2018, a common sentiment you'll frequently find online is, "Hans Asperger was a Nazi, and deserved to be tried for his complicity in the Aktion T4 euthanasia program." There are also false or exaggerated claims often made about Asperger in relation to his claimed culpability and crimes - often based on poor research of the topic - but, in my experience, the often circular conversations such sentiments provoke don't really help autistic people, nor do they really do anything to combat Asperger's primary sin - eugenics - in the modern day and era.

If anything, from what I have seen, such arguments about the "what ifs" and "what-should-have-happeneds" in relation to Hans Asperger, and the community's almost obsessive and pedantic focus on the topic, has actually taken away from - or harmed - real discussions about how historical eugenics has evolved into today's ableist attitudes, as well as the fact that Asperger alone was not wholly responsible for this. Indeed, Lorna Wing - a long-time and highly-respected psychologist who was a dominant figure in the field for decades - was largely responsible for creating "Asperger's Syndrome", and she was the one to elevate Asperger as a historical figure of interest to begin with. Prior to Wing, Asperger's work was obscure and unimportant.

Given this, as well as my other points, I think an argument about the punishments that Davis and Lee "should have received" belong more so on subreddits like r/HistoryWhatIf, as opposed to r/AskHistorians, or history seminars. One could spend all day debating about the punishment (or lack thereof) of Confederate leaders and generals, or the punishment (or lack thereof) of Hans Asperger, but I think the most important points is to present the facts of what happened in history - and why, at the time, these figures were not punished for their complicity.

As for Albert Cashier being transgender, I can understand why some historians might claim your assertation about Cashier being transgender is "presentism". Often times, especially when it comes to the topic of LGBTQA+ people in history, what we will see are many people imposing modern-day ideas about what it means to be LGBTQA+ onto historical figures who might have been considered LGBTQA+, if they were alive today. Again, to use an example I'm more familiar with, "Isaac Newton was gay"; or, more so for me, "Isaac Newton was most likely asexual".

However, it's important to keep one's biases in check, even if we may personally relate to a historical figure because we ourselves identify as LGBTQA+. The people of the past - the ancient Greeks especially, as another common example, as people often claim "Achilles and Patroclus were gay" - often had much different views about homosexuality, homosexual acts, and other LGBTQA+-related actions than we do today. Due to this, some historians are more careful not to project their own, modern ideas of "LGBTQA+ identity" onto historical figures; especially since, as often pointed out, in many circumstances, we don't know all of the facts or details.

My opinion about this is also the same for "[X historical figure] was autistic / neurodiverse / etc." Many people who are completely unfamiliar with, and untrained in, the field of history seem to enjoy retroactively armchair diagnosing historical figures because they feel that it adds to "representation in history", or to "claim" them, but I personally feel that this practice does more harm than good. History is all about facts; and, unfortunately, in the vast majority of some of these cases, we simply don't have all of the facts when it comes to both identity and disability.

That doesn't preclude or prevent someone for making a case for "I think that this historical figure would be considered [insert modern term here] today", but these arguments, in my view, fall more into the territory of "theoretical history", or personal opinion, than historical fact.

Monday Methods: Politics, Presentism, and Responding to the President of the AHA by CommodoreCoCo in AskHistorians

[–]Obversa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Learning and teaching Puerto Rican history here, I tend to spot a LOT of sympathy for the pro-independence movement despite a lot of their terroristic actions (attempts at assassinating both the governor, as well as shooting up Congress in the 1950s) as well as general anti-imperialism in pretty much all the books i read here.

What are your thoughts on the 2020 referendum and the proposed Puerto Rico Status Act?

Monday Methods: Politics, Presentism, and Responding to the President of the AHA by CommodoreCoCo in AskHistorians

[–]Obversa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In a general sense, more contributors, more questions, more representations on the mod team, more accommodations / more accessibility for disabled users, and more public outreach to disabled members and contributors, as well as discussions on disability. Accommodations and accessibility were the main two issues I noticed posing barriers to disabled participation on r/AskHistorians, particularly for people who are unfamiliar with the subreddit's many rules and guidelines of how to participate.

For example, autistic people - myself included - already struggle with the many rules and guidelines of social interaction, to the degree where it constitutes a disability, or something that negatively impacts our lives. While autistic people generally learn and follow rules and guidelines well when they are taught or instructed in a way that they understand, if we don't understand the rules and guidelines of participation and interaction, we frequently get frustrated and upset, because we often end up offending others by "not following the rules" - and we don't understand why, or what went wrong.

This, of course, could be mitigated by creating a simple-to-read "disability-friendly guide to participating on r/AskHistorians", sort of like a "How-To" or "For Dummies" book, but without it being ableist, discriminatory, or demeaning towards disabled users. For this, I would recommend reaching out to the disability community, particularly on Twitter, to ask for assistance and/or partnership. I think also reaching out to disability historians on Twitter, and inviting them to participate on r/AskHistorians if they are interested, would also help to improve disability representation and expertise on the subreddit.

Outside of Twitter, I would also recommend potentially reaching out to disabled and disability historians who might not necessarily use social media, or be active. Maybe there can be more AMAs with disabled and disability historians, for example.

How two Florida moms spearheaded a parent movement aiming to impact the 2022 elections by CouchCorrespondent in florida

[–]Obversa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At least the United Daughters of the Confederacy had the somewhat plausible defense that "they wanted people to remember the men who fought for the Confederacy", even if that ultimately backfired on them. What can Moms for Liberty even claim as a defense? "Freedom"?

How two Florida moms spearheaded a parent movement aiming to impact the 2022 elections by CouchCorrespondent in florida

[–]Obversa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Byron Donalds in a nutshell. He betrayed the Black community and became an anti-masker.

How two Florida moms spearheaded a parent movement aiming to impact the 2022 elections by CouchCorrespondent in florida

[–]Obversa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This sounds like when "One Million Moms" turned out to be more like "One Meddling Mom". These conservative moms sure love to claim they have a lot more support than they actually do.

https://www.glaad.org/blog/its-not-one-million-its-one-meddling-mom

What are your opinions on the impending Russian / Romanov royal succession crisis? by Obversa in monarchism

[–]Obversa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also Karl Emich would be barred according to the Pauline laws, he is from a female line and he’s not even Russian or from the House of Romanov, he’s a German from the House of Leiningen.

So? Most of the Romanovs are of German ancestry; Grand Duke George Mikhailovich is literally part-German himself. His father is a German prince: Prince Franz Wilhelm of Prussia, the latter of whom is the son of Prince Karl Franz of Prussia and Princess Henriette of Schönaich-Carolath. The Romanov family itself originated in Germany as well.

Also, Prince Karl is a descendant of the House of Romanov. His grandmother is Grand Duchess Maria Kirillovna of Russia, the sister of Grand Duke Vladimir Kirillovich of Russia. If the succession can pass through Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna, then it could potentially pass through Grand Duchess Maria Kirillovna in the future.

The argument that "a German can't inherit the throne of Russia" literally makes no sense. Catherine the Great was both German, as well as Empress of Russia, and she's still seen in a favorable light by many Russians today, per Russian-related subreddit posters.

It's like trying to claim "a German can't inherit the throne of Britain" (King George I inherited through his descent through the House of Stuart), or "a German can't possibly become King of the United States" (Prince Henry of Prussia was considered).

Monday Methods: Politics, Presentism, and Responding to the President of the AHA by CommodoreCoCo in AskHistorians

[–]Obversa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What exactly does the subreddit and, I assume your agreement with Dr. Sweet mean for the content of the subreddit?

I don't think the person in question necessarily agrees with Dr. Sweet. I've also seen other people discuss the same talking points the poster brings up previously on threads on r/history. These threads also predate the Dr. Sweet debacle by months, or even years.

I myself had a previous instance where an r/AskHistorians moderator - not Zhukov - had what I feel was a heated discussion with me on Twitter over a movie that has received mixed reviews from historians overall; however, that is neither here nor there, and I don't think that this moderator's one-off response reflects on the subreddit as a whole.

I do feel like r/AskHistorians could do a better job of disability inclusion, but again, that is my personal opinion, and the objecting person in question probably wouldn't like that, either. That said, I feel that the criticisms against Dr. Sweet's piece are entirely valid.

What are your opinions on the impending Russian / Romanov royal succession crisis? by Obversa in monarchism

[–]Obversa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also as the child is apparently confirmed to be a boy, the future succession seems pretty safe for now.

Except that Grand Duchess Maria acknowledged that the Pauline Laws are still in effect. She has made no move or motion to change them, and as of the 2010s, the Monarchist Party of Russia supports another potential heir to the throne (Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen). Other monarchist sources indicates that something happened, of which I'm not entirely clear, in which the elders of the Russian Orthodox Church rejected changing or abolishing the Pauline Laws.

So, no, I wouldn't say it's nearly as easy, nor straightforward, as that. Another commenter also stated that is a solution is not found, the claim will revert to Prince Karl's descendants, which is presumably why the Monarchist Party is already supporting him instead of Grand Duchess Maria.

If this were still the early 1900s, then the most obvious solution would be to simply arrange a marriage between Prince Karl's line and Grand Duke George's child(ren) to settle the dispute; but, quite obviously, this is 2022, and that option would likely not work. (Even then, it still might not work, because George's marriage to Victoria is still recognized as morganatic, and to my understanding, Prince Karl and/or his relatives have non-morganatic marriages.)

What are your opinions on the impending Russian / Romanov royal succession crisis? by Obversa in monarchism

[–]Obversa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the explanation!

Another monarchist forum I read stated that Grand Duchess Maria "tried to change the Pauline Laws for decades, with no success", mentioning something about her consulting "the elders of the Russian Orthodox Church". Does this have anything to do with why she hasn't changed the Pauline Laws yet, or has she not changed them to not potentially endanger her own claim?

As for "the sisters of Grand Duke Vladimir", I assume they mean Maria Kirillovna, Princess of Leiningen, and Kira Kirillovna, Princess of Prussia.

The eldest daughter Maria's children are as follows:

  1. Prince Emich Kirill Ferdinand Hermann of Leiningen (18 October 1926 – 30 October 1991); married Duchess Eilika of Oldenburg on 10 August 1950. They had four children.
  2. Prince Karl Vladimir Ernst Heinrich of Leiningen (2 January 1928 – 28 September 1990) married Princess Marie Louise of Bulgaria on 20 February 1957 and they were divorced on 4 December 1968. They had two sons.
  3. Princess Kira Melita Feodora Marie Victoria Alexandra of Leiningen (18 July 1930 – 24 September 2006) married Prince Andrew of Yugoslavia on 18 September 1963. They had three children.
  4. Princess Margarita Ileana Victoria of Leiningen (9 May 1932 – 16 June 1994) married Frederick William, Prince of Hohenzollern on 5 January 1951. They had three sons.
  5. Princess Mechtilde Alexandra of Leiningen (2 January 1936 - 12 February 2021) married Karl Anton Bauscher on 25 November 1961. They had three sons.
  6. Prince Friedrich Wilhelm Berthold of Leiningen (18 June 1938 – 29 August 1999)
  7. Prince Peter Victor of Leiningen (23 December 1942 – 12 January 1943)

The eldest son, Prince Emich, had issue:

  1. Princess Melita Elisabeth Bathildis Helene Margarita of Leiningen (b. 19 June 1951) married Horst Legrum on 14 April 1978.
  2. Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen (b. 12 June 1952) married Princess Margarita of Hohenlohe-Öhringen on 8 June 1984. They have one daughter. He remarried Gabriele Thyssen on 24 May 1991 and they were divorced in 1998. They have one daughter. He remarried, again, Countess Isabelle von und zu Egloffstein on 7 June 2008. They have one son.
  3. Andreas, Prince of Leiningen (b. 27 November 1955), married Princess Alexandra of Hanover on 5 October 1981. They have three children.
  4. Princess Stephanie Margarita of Leiningen (1 October 1958 - 23 September 2017)

Sources indicate that Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen (also known as Grand Duke Nikolai Kirillovich Romanov) is the most likely heir. He is also supported by the Monarchist Party of Russia.

Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen (born 12 June 1952), also known by his Orthodox Russian name Nikolai Kirillovich Romanov, and recognized with the regnal name Emperor Nicholas III by Monarchist Party supporters of the Imperial Throne.

He is a claimant to the defunct throne of the Russian Empire, held until 1917 by the Imperial House of Romanov, as a grandson of Grand Duchess Maria Kirillovna (1907–1951), eldest child of Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich, who claimed the Russian crown from exile in 1924.

He is a great-great-grandson of Emperor Alexander II of Russia, and grandnephew of Grand Duke Vladimir Kirillovich of Russia.

In 2013, the Monarchist Party of Russia declared [Prince Karl] the primary heir to the Russian throne upon his conversion from Lutheranism to Eastern Orthodox Christianity; and in 2014, announced the formation of the Imperial Throne, wherein Karl Emich had agreed to assume imperial dignity as Emperor Nicholas III.

As such, however, he came into competition with the widely recognized pretender to the throne, Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna of Russia, who is recognized by the Patriarch of Moscow.

Yes! by Hofy362 in harrypotter

[–]Obversa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ravenclaws are the ones that are chosen because they’re smart, value intelligence, and value originality

I'd have to dispute this somewhat. Ravenclaw's values are specifically listed as "wit and wisdom", and wisdom is not only "being smart and intelligent". It's also having experience and good judgement to make fair, clever, and just decisions. If I had to describe it more fully, I'd compare it to the Justice (Judge) card in a Tarot deck.

If Ravenclaws were picked merely "because they're smart and value intelligence and originality", then Albus Dumbledore would be a Ravenclaw, but he's a Gryffindor. Tom Riddle would also be a Ravenclaw; but, instead, he was Sorted into Slytherin.

Harry being Harry by Hofy362 in harrypotter

[–]Obversa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except that Harry never shows this in regards to his own schoolwork. He comes across as quite lazy and more preoccupied with Quidditch, compared with Hermione.

What are your opinions on the impending Russian / Romanov royal succession crisis? by Obversa in monarchism

[–]Obversa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is also true. The Romanovs also have a long history of marrying their own cousins, even right up until Tsar Nicholas II was murdered in 1918. Letters from Nicholas II's daughters, Olga and Tatiana, also showed a dislike for the Pauline Laws' requirement for them to marry other royals. The two teenagers flirted with "commoner" men while serving as nurses, and had sweethearts.

If both girls had lived, it's quite likely they, too, would have married morganatically. One or both girls also expressed a romantic desire to marry for love, or even sabotaged attempts to arrange eligible royal marriages for them, as seen with Olga and Prince Carol of Romania's meeting.

Looking at the royal records for the Romanovs in the 2-3 decades leading up to Nicholas's death, there is a definite push for Romanov royal heirs to marry other Romanovs; often times, wedding their own cousins to meet the Pauline Laws' requirements. There was also a definite pushback by some Romanovs against the Pauline Laws, resulting in many of them marrying morganatically.

What are your opinions on the impending Russian / Romanov royal succession crisis? by Obversa in monarchism

[–]Obversa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. I think it's time for a serious revisiting of the Pauline Laws in the future.

What are your opinions on the impending Russian / Romanov royal succession crisis? by Obversa in monarchism

[–]Obversa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Russia electing a new Emperor or King? Isn't Vladimir Putin technically an Emperor already?

(Before anyone gets offended, this is a joke, and not meant to be serious.)

What are your opinions on the impending Russian / Romanov royal succession crisis? by Obversa in monarchism

[–]Obversa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. The Romanovs who married nobles should not be excluded from the succession, should restrictions against morganatic offspring be abolished, and retroactively. The Pauline Laws are extremely strict when it comes to excluding spouses from the nobility.

What are your opinions on the impending Russian / Romanov royal succession crisis? by Obversa in monarchism

[–]Obversa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another important thing is that Victoria is not a commoner, she is a noblewoman, as Bettarinis are a noble family.

I'm fairly sure the claim of the Bettarinis being a noble family is disputed.

From my understanding, Victoria (Rebecca) and/or her father, Roberto Bettarini, were ennobled to a certain degree upon Victoria's marriage to Grand Duke George, and any potential Italian titles of nobility and/or royalty are not legally recognized by the Republic of Italy. However, the degree of ennoblement is not enough to make the marriage non-morganatic.

Quote from the source:

"Rebecca's father, Ambassador Roberto Bettarini, provided significant support for the construction of the Orthodox Church of St. Catherine in Rome. For his assistance to the Russian Orthodox Church and his efforts to develop and strengthen relations between Russia and Italy, the Head of the Imperial House of Russia, Grand Duchess Maria of Russia, made him a Knight of the Imperial Order of St. Anna First Class, an award which carries with it membership of the historical hereditary nobility of the Russian Empire."

Per another source:

"I imagine the Nobile [status for Victoria, as bestowed by Grand Duchess Maria] does refer to the titles his mother [Maria] gave her father [Roberto]; otherwise, there would be an essay on the illustrious Bettarini family, and not just her father's career as an Ambassador, [in the official wedding announcement]."

NPR also reported:

"Meanwhile, his bride — Bettarini — comes from a non-noble diplomat's family and converted to the Orthodox Church for the wedding. With her conversion, she replaced her birth name Rebecca with the more Russified Victoria Romanovna."

I assume that elevating Roberto Bettarini to the status of "hereditary nobility of the Russian Empire" was an attempt by Grand Duchess Maria to lessen the gulf in status between her son and Victoria (Rebecca), but she cannot elevate the Bettarinis to non-morganatic status.

At this point, there is more evidence of the Gucci family, of Gucci fashion fame, of being an ancient noble Italian family than there is of the Bettarini family being an Italian noble family. (Even then, the descent of Guccio Gucci from the ancestor who was ennobled is disputed.)