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Why Fish Don't Exist: A Story of Loss, Love, and the Hidden Order of Life

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A wondrous debut from an extraordinary new voice in nonfiction, Why Fish Don’t Exist is a dark and astonishing tale of love, chaos, scientific obsession, and—possibly—even murder.

David Starr Jordan was a taxonomist, a man possessed with bringing order to the natural world. In time, he would be credited with discovering nearly a fifth of the fish known to humans in his day
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Hardcover, 225 pages
Published April 14th 2020 by Simon Schuster
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Lucas If you make a group that includes bony fish like bass and non-bony fish like sharks the group would span to include mammals, which we don't consider f…moreIf you make a group that includes bony fish like bass and non-bony fish like sharks the group would span to include mammals, which we don't consider fish. So our understanding of fish doesn't conquer with the actual order of life.(less)
Carol And the audiobook has a recording of her child learning to say "Fish!" I listened and loved, and now I'm on my way to buy the book too. So many passag…moreAnd the audiobook has a recording of her child learning to say "Fish!" I listened and loved, and now I'm on my way to buy the book too. So many passages I want to see and absorb with my own eyes. (less)

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Olive Fellows (abookolive)
There are books, and then there are the life-changing sorts of books. For me, this is one of the latter.

This is a memoir that details a time in the author's life when she was sorely in need of a role model. She had recently made a huge, life-ruining mistake, destroying a relationship she valued, when she came across a story of how a historical figure, taxonomist David Starr Jordan, in the wake of an earthquake, starting pinning nametags to the dead fish specimens he worked so hard to catalog so
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Hayley DeRoche
I cannot fully express how perfect this book was for reading during COVID-19 crisis. It's perfect. It's Chaos, it's order, it's loss, it's love. ...more
Elyse  Walters
May 22, 2020 rated it liked it
Audiobook read by the author, Lulu Miller

This was a book that I appreciated more than really enjoyed.
.... My mind drifted off to much...
.... it took me forever to understand what the author was trying to say. She was trying to figure out chaos from Jordon, ( he had plenty in his life), and how it affected her life.
....it’s still a little puzzling why Lulu picked David Starr Jordon to study in relationship to her needs.
....Lulu thought Jordon had a handle on life - and she might learn how to d
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Ken Liu
Jul 13, 2021 rated it it was amazing
Absolutely wondrous.
Stephen
Jan 07, 2020 rated it liked it
Shelves: 2020
I wanted to like this more. Miller is a gifted writer and her subject is fascinating, and she does a good job of untangling the various threads that make David Starr Jordan both compelling and fascinating.

Unfortunately, I couldn't get past the tone of hokey cuteness. (Miller's bio says she is a "frequent contributor to Radiolab, which I find nearly insufferable for this exact tone.) The jokey tone is at best irritating, and at worst, as when the writer refers to a dictator responsible for the d
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Diane S ☔
Jun 22, 2020 rated it really liked it
Shelves: nfr-2020
Her life unraveling, a failed suicide attempt, and NPR reporter Lulu Miller finds herself searching for a way out of the chaos of her life. She becomes fascinated with David Starr Jordan, a taxidermist, who spent his life up to then, collecting and labeling fish. He traveled the world to find as many different examples, it was his life's work. A collection he would lose most of in the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco. What fascinated Miller was that he didn't give up, he saved what he could, fou ...more
Lindsay
Trigger Warnings : Rape, Eugenics, Nazism, Forced Sterilization, Racism, Ableism, Childhood Incarceration. I probably missed some of them in my list but just know this covers a lot of hard to read topics.

I annotated and highlighted .... that's how much I loved this book.

I was tentative at times; I was only reading this in preparation for a convocation coming's up this fall for uni. However, this won me over in a somewhat disjointed but ultimately elegant blending of nonfiction (which I ten
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Tori Thompson
Sep 10, 2020 rated it it was ok
I had a hard time with this one. It was well written, felt well researched, and the audiobook was a solid performance by the author. I'm not surprised at the book's overall rating, and think if it had covered almost any other subject I would've enjoyed it a lot more. But I went into it already knowing that David Starr Jordan was a bastard eugenicist, and it made reading the first 75% of this book and its glowing account of his life and work and perseverance uncomfortable to the point of excrucia ...more
Blaine
May 13, 2021 rated it really liked it
Shelves: 2021, from-library
When I give up the fish, I get, at long last, that thing I had been searching for: a mantra, a trick, a prescription for hope. I get the promise that there are good things in store. Not because I deserve them. Not because I worked for them. But because they are as much a part of Chaos as destruction and loss. Life, the flip side of death. Growth, of rot.
Why Fish Don’t Exist is one part memoir, one part discussion of science and its history, and one part biography of David Starr Jordan. Jordan li
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Megan O'Hara
Jan 07, 2021 rated it did not like it
hmmm...this whole book....is about a eugenicist and it tries to bury the lede and shock you that he is one of the most prominent American eugenicists of all time??? seems like something you would find out, say, googling him and not after mapping some weird life plan over this template set by this man who you can tell sucks before the big *reveal".... but regardless of any of that (🤨) it's full of forced themes, overwrought metaphors, and I cannot believe it is book length given this story probab ...more
jasmine sun
Jan 21, 2021 rated it it was ok
lulu miller is more writer than historian. this book - and history - suffers for it.

this book is structured in a strange way. each chapter peels back a different facet of jordan's life analogized to her own, though neither are told chronologically. the first half of the book paints jordan as a quirky but sympathetic character, until a sudden descent into covering up jane stanford's murder and advocating for forced sterilization.

here's the problem: jordan was a eugenicist and white supremacist t
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Lexi (Reads and Riesling)
Apr 05, 2020 rated it it was amazing
On the surface, Why Fish Don’t Exist is a biography of David Starr Jordan, a taxonomist who discovered and named about 20% of the fish known to man. Miller highlights his entire life: from naming stars to naming fish. Jordan was a revolutionary. That’s not to say he did not have his flaws—he had MANY. He was an early proponent of eugenics and encouraged the government to enact legislation that would allow for the legal sterilization of individuals deemed “unfit.” I’m not sure about you, but I di ...more
Jenna ❤ ❀  ❤
Sep 01, 2021 rated it it was amazing
Recommended to Jenna by: Bk Z
"Chaos is the only sure thing in this world."

I am thankful I learned what this book is about before opening it, rather than just reading it based on the cover. I'd have been disappointed if I'd thought I was going to read a scientific book about fish - er.... non-fish? - and encountered details about the author's personal life and that of taxonomist David Starr Jordan. When I read a science book, I want scientific facts and scientific facts alone.

Why Fish Don't Exist isn't that. Instead, it is
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Michael Perkins
Jun 28, 2021 rated it really liked it
This book is a memoir. As an inspiration, the author focuses on naturalist David Starr Jordan, who was a world expert on fish. She admired his grit and determination and the success in his field. He was also the President of Stanford and a suspect in the murder, by poison, of Jane Stanford, wife of Leland. He did have a grudge against Jane, given that she threatened to fire him. Her death was timely in that regard. But the author only discovered belatedly that David Starr Jordan was the founder ...more
Gail C.
Mar 25, 2020 rated it really liked it
When I first opened this book, I was expecting more of a biography on the life and studies of taxonomist and former Stanford University President David Starr Jordan. His work in classifying fish was groundbreaking in his day, marred by the destruction of many of his exhibits in the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.
Once I began reading, I discovered much more. There were many details about David Starr Jordan and his work, at times perhaps more than I would have liked. However, the details were given
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Akansha
Apr 19, 2020 rated it did not like it
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Pascal
May 21, 2020 rated it it was amazing
just read it bro
Abby
“When I give up the fish, I get, at long last, that thing I had been searching for: a mantra, a trick, a prescription for hope. I get the promise that there are good things in store. Not because I deserve them. Not because I worked for them. But because they are as much a part of Chaos as destruction and loss. Life, the flip side of death. Growth, of rot.”


Incandescent! I read ravenously; Lulu Miller’s winsome prose is addictive. The complicated story of scientist David Starr Jordan merges with M
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Mimi
Dec 18, 2021 rated it did not like it
It's weird to read memoirs by people who aren't famous or at least well known to me. So why did I pick this one up? It was a recommendation from one of the librarians at a local branch whom I'd gotten to know a little over the past couple of months. We've been trading recommendations back and forth, and so far, it's been an interesting reading experiment. Not all were hits, but they got me out of many slumps when I couldn't read. Anything. At all.

What made me give this memoir a try, out of seve
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Krista
Oct 12, 2021 rated it really liked it
What David Starr Jordan set in motion by practicing the art of taxonomy, by following Darwin’s advice to sort creatures by evolutionary closeness, led to a fateful discovery. In the 1980s taxonomists realized that fish, as a legitimate category of creature, do not exist.
Birds exist.
Mammals exist.
Amphibians exist.
But fish, in particular, do not exist.

Why Fish Don’t Exist is one of those memoirs dressed up as an historical investigation, and in the moment, I was completely fascinated by everyt
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Ari Levine
Aug 07, 2020 rated it it was ok
Shelves: dnf
Gave up halfway. This might have worked as an hourlong episode of Radiolab, packed with forced scientific wonder and self-indulgent millennial quirkiness, but falls utterly flat on the printed page. Desperately needed surgical editing. Especially for sentence fragments.
Joy
Jun 23, 2020 rated it did not like it
Words cannot express how much I hated this book. The author seems tone deaf to every marginalized community that exists, and it's infuriating. Her personal story line made me empathetic at first, and then it just pissed me off. I've never thrown a book out as soon as I finished it, but here we are. That being said, if you're white and able-bodied, you might enjoy it. My one star is for my new knowledge of "fish" not existing. I did like that part. ...more
Bogi Zweiundvierzich
May 20, 2022 rated it really liked it
Shelves: philosophy, humor
A story of loss, love and the hidden order of life - that's what I've been promised. And the prologue digs right into the theme of loss by bringing upon us the second law of thermodynamics. You probably know it - and if you don't, you better get to know to it: Lulu Miller is a science journalist, and she does get nerdy in her writing. But not too nerdy, and she keeps a light touch with a sense of humour.

Parasites, meanwhile, were clear lowlifes, the lot of them. Just look at how they earned thei
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Barbara K
No struggles to find the right rating for this book - it easily earns 5 stars.

At a low point in her life, struggling with the consequences of an impulsive action that she feels has ruined all chances for happiness in her future, LuLu Miller searches for that silver bullet, that idea or philosophy or approach to life that will allow her to carry on. She thinks she may have found it in the life of David Starr Jordan, an ichthyologist who carried on without missing a beat after losing a collection
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Kerry
5 stars, I'd give it 10 stars. A book even as I finish it I know I will never forget. One I just want to inhale and have much of what I read become part of my own DNA. Had to buy the book so I can look back at it at my leisure whenever I feel my own self taking the natural world around me for granted. This is a book about a woman looking for live's meaning. A scientist in the early 20th century looking to name and order the natural world, a world renown university, its beginnings and its unsolve ...more
Nerdette Podcast
Apr 23, 2020 rated it it was amazing
I can't say enough good things about this book. It's the perfect invitation to find beauty and solace in uncertainty and chaos. READ IT! ...more
Steve
May 28, 2021 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: non-fiction
Wow.

What an exquisite jewel of a book.... a pleasant surprise... an unexpected, circuitous journey... a captivating (and shockingly informative) biography of an extraordinary historical character... a science lesson, ... and a touching, raw, and ultimately uplifting and inspirational memoir-of-sorts.... So much crammed into such a slender volume... And so nicely constructed ... and beautifully written... And did I mention the prose!?!?!?

I can't recommend it enough.

Reader's nit: as is my habit an
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Jill S
Aug 05, 2021 rated it it was amazing
This is the best book I've read in 2021 ...more
Ross Blocher
May 11, 2021 rated it really liked it
This is one of those rare books I was able to start reading without any idea of what it was or what was coming, and it was interesting to see it unfurl in unexpected ways. So... if you're really into science-adjacent memoirs, human stories and contemplating the complexities of heroes and definitions, you can stop here and put this on your TBR (to be read) pile.

Okay, here's the more **spoilery** take. Author Lulu Miller had heard the intriguing story of David Starr Jordan, or at least, the part o
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Erin (roostercalls)
May 28, 2020 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: 2020-reads
“[I]t is our life’s work to mistrust our measures. Especially those about moral and mental standing. To remember that behind every ruler there is a ruler. To remember that a category is at best a proxy; at worst, a shackle.”

Right at the corner of depth and whimsy sits Lulu Miller. Fans of NPR's Invisibilia will delight in this long-form nonfiction by that podcast’s co-creator, and those unfamiliar with her work have a treat coming when they discover her inimitable storytelling capability.

Mille
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