Nyxelestia (Posts tagged fandom racism)

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This quote actually well-represents the experiences that many fans of color have within (white) female-dominated fandom spaces that are otherwise seen (or assumed to be) as more progressive than male-dominated spaces like sports fandom or other collector-based fandom spaces.
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Here is a very detailed account of what’s been happening in the Star Wars fandom by Stitch, including a timeline of the recent harassment of John Boyega.

It represents a pattern that has historically been present in fandom spaces where a fan – primarily a fan of color – will express distaste in something or frustration with a white fan (or their creation) – and the next thing they know, they’re being accused of bullying or harassment as their fandom circles around the poor white woman fan to shelter her from the sting of responsibility.

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When you refuse to listen to the people talking about how they’re being hurt because they’re not saying it nicely enough to appeal to your inner white savior –

You’re the one showing a pretty problematic bias…

When I talk about how white womanhood is weaponized, I’m talking about how when I and other fans of color who are mildly annoyed by how frustrating fandom is for us, we get subtweeted for days by people who are just so very hurt by our existence criticizing fandom.

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They absolutely do understand what they’re doing when they whip their followers into a frenzy against supposed censorship, put Black fans on anti blocklists (or block our followers en masse, write overlong articles about how “well, actually there’s no racism in fandom, you’re just jealous of our white m/f ship” and smugly share content labeling specific fans of color as dangerous to fandom because they’re critical of it.

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What I do know is that even with this, fans of color feel more comfortable speaking up about racism they witness towards their fellow fans and towards other fans of color. What I do know, is that fans of color are fed the fuck up with fandom mantras like “Don’t Like, Don’t Read” and “Make Your Own” being trotted out when they criticize it and we’re more comfortable pushing back against it.

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russianspacegeckosexparty asked:

Not only is the ~territory~ thing overblown but it's some colonialist bs in regards to the Hales: rich white family, werewolf royalty almost who ~own~ the land. They're settlers, plain and simple. The show actually did good with Derek living in the burnt wreckage of the house trying unsuccessfully to rebuild the dynasty but ultimately finding happiness and healing and moving on but stans are fixated on rebuilding the house, the seat of power and owning the land

princeescaluswords answered:

It’s the entitlement.  

As a white person, I’ve noticed that one of the fundamental problems when people like me try to grapple with the consequences of colonialism is a sort of binary thinking as defense mechanism.   If something was good, then it can’t be bad.  There were many positive reasons for expansion and colonization: fleeing religious persecution, exploring economic opportunities away from established oppressive economic structures, countering overpopulation of cities, the ennobling effects of freedom and exploration – all these are great, inspiring things.  What’s uncomfortable is trying to reconcile them with the unintended but very much omnipresent consequences of that colonization:  slavery, disease, generational poverty, and cultural obliteration inflicted on the natives from which colonists stole the land.  You can’t have one without the other.

So their reaction is to deny that it happened.   To say it doesn’t matter.  To say that it happened so far in the past that they shouldn’t have to think about  it.  To focus completely on one side.  (In one excellent development, claiming it was for the natives’ own good has completely fallen out of fashion.) It’s easier that way.  This is also entitlement.

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This attitude expresses itself constantly in fandom – an exclusive focus on the Hale family’s needs and history and the wrongs done to them, which serves to minimize and erase that the Hales’ attempts to satisfy those needs were executed on the backs of children and adults who were not Hales.  Yes, the Hales were protectors of Beacon Hills. Yes, they helped found they city.  Yes, they were powerful and influential.  Yes, they were the victims of terrible persecution and a terrible crime.

And not one bit of that justifies the consequences of what Peter and Derek did to the children and adults around them.  It wasn’t until Derek (and to a lesser extent, Peter) let go, as you said, of the idea of Hale supremacy and made it up to the people whom they hurt that they actually got to grow.  

The idea that Derek and Peter didn’t deserve a return to the glory days of the Hales cannot be processed by fandom, so they create elaborate justifications of the worst abuses the show depicted in pursuit of that supremacy.   They’re real werewolves!  They’re mystically tied to the land!   They’ve got the backing of some half-baked werewolf/occult government that recognizes their sovereignty – again and again and again.  It doesn’t matter that it contradicts canon or doesn’t make any sense – if Scott is such a danger because he doesn’t werewolf right that the werewolf government has to step in, are they going in turn give control to Peter, a man who killed people from behind until he got his ass kicked by a bunch of teenagers, or Derek, who never met a Bad Decision he didn’t make? 

No, this concept of the right of others to rule over people who have no idea who they are and never asked for their rule is used to diminish others.  Scott got to play first line!  Scott got popular and the girl!  So he should be grateful for the Bite, for the mental violation, for the lies and manipulation, for all the responsibilities and violence he didn’t want but had to endure. (Look at all the good things we brought to the savages!)  Stiles should be flattered that Peter, after brutalizing the girl he loved in front of him, after kidnapping him, after forcing him to work at his command, graciously offered him the Bite rather than forcing it on him.  It doesn’t matter that Peter used Lydia as an object for his own ends, the trauma forced her evolution into a powerful young woman.   Or the dozens and dozens of people who eventually paid the price for Peter’s temper tantrum.

And those three Gurkhas I mean Betas were willing recruits to fight someone else’s war.  And Derek loved them so much he treated them like family soldiers (training them through combat and breaking their bones, forcing them to sleep on the floor, shouting at them when they dared to want something else.)  Two of them died honorably, fighting Derek’s wars.

The production systematically demolished the arguments of the Hales as to their rights to a glorious destiny.   Derek grew up and moved on.  Peter didn’t and was appropriately punished.   One of the interesting things about every single enemy in Teen Wolf is that they all sprung from the Hales and the Argent’s conflict, and yet the warriors, the people who suffered from them, tended not to have either of those last names.  Every villain was a consequences of the villain before that, and that all went back to a struggle of which most of the victims had never even heard.  

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gayboyadvance

there’s a big difference between “this show contains things that are morally wrong” and “this show contains things that are morally wrong and frames them in a positive and harmless light and/or shows an amount of [insert x morally wrong thing] to the audience that feels unnecessary, gratuitous, and/or fetishistic” and it’s very very important to remember that distinction when criticizing media

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yenstarkofrivia

"the character was boring ain't always about race" is legit the battle cry of racist fandoms lmao like you can't tell me it "ain't about race" when legitimately I have heard this said in defence of why they prefer their white characters over poc ones in pretty much every fandom

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When you can't empathize with someone, they're less interesting because you can't relate to their emotions, even if the source material delivers it.

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And also, ‘the character was boring’ stops being a legitimate explanation for hating a character that just happens to be a character of color - when your blog or Ao3 page is full of proof you have no problem fleshing out Random White Side Character #17949 in a 60K slowburn enemies to lovers coffeeshop AU. 

Like sorry not sorry, if a character literally having only two minutes of screentime and virtually no canon personality doesn’t make them too boring for you to ship and stan, you’ll have to forgive others for being doubtful that you truly just couldn’t find a single interesting thing about a main character of color throughout their entire narrative arc.

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there’s a large grey area between “this creator is a misogynist/homophobe/racist” and “this creator did not fully think through the implications of some of their writing choices” and it would be nice if people would stop to assess where in the scale between those two cases their criticism applies, instead of going for a hard zero on the first option all the time

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Hanlon’s Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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Team: “I really don’t hate this character but seeing how they are clearly favoured by the company and the fandom makes me really tired of seeing them everywhere”

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And there is –

Team: “Fandom decided to take this minor character and make them everywhere so I am so tired of them when I didn’t have an opinion before.”

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Team: “I don’t think this character’s flaws are all that bad really but the way people keep acting like they don’t exist is driving me up the wall.”

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And finally team: “This character has flaws but the way the fandom blows them out of proportion really makes my skin crawl.”

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Team: “Just let me enjoy my fave.”

Team: “If This Character Were A Cishet White Dude, Would We Be Having These Conversations?”

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team “jesus christ imagine if this character wasn’t treated terribly by their racist/sexist/homophobic writers”

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@princeescaluswords it’s rather strange when you say all this because when I watch the show none of these things ever bothered me. Perhaps I should we watch the show a little more critically

Well, that’s certainly not your fault!

Part of it is definitely the production’s fault.  It’s well known that Jeff Davis considered Stiles his self-insert, which is why Stiles is such a fully realized character.  When I call him an asshole, that doesn’t mean that I think he wasn’t well-written or extremely well-acted.  He was both.  And, except for the last season, he was a necessary character.  He served as a foil for Scott, showing in his own characteristics the qualities the protagonist hero (Scott) needed to possess.   If Scott had acted like Stiles, the story would have a completely different ending, and it wouldn’t have been a very happy one.

My problem isn’t in the writing of Stiles’s character – Stiles had every reason to be a possessive, controlling asshole and those reasons just kept on getting bigger as the seasons progressed.   My problem is with the writing of everyone around him, which got worse as the seasons progressed.  The show didn’t want to show the consequences of the way Stiles treated his friends, so they just didn’t bother to show it.  They had Scott just take Stiles’ bullshit, and since they never let him talk about the conflicting feelings such behavior should generate, it made Scott look like a doormat and not a hero.   Did you ever notice that after Stiles dumped Malia in Ouroboros, they never had a real conversation for the rest of the show?  They couldn’t because any conversation would have to touch on why Stiles dumped her.  It wouldn’t look good for him.   They also had to leave things out like what did Lydia feel like when she learned that Stiles had lied to her and concealed important things from her again?   There’s no reason they should start dating in Season 6 after that, except the writers wanted them to, but they didn’t do the heavy work of moving from point A to point B.

Part of it is our culture’s fault.  I think there is an obvious tendency in our culture to allow good-looking white boys to misbehave in ways we don’t allow minorities and women to misbehave.   Stiles can lie to every single member of the pack for five episodes, and the worst thing that happens to him is that Scott tells him to go talk to his Dad.   His father doesn’t say “you broke the law!”  His dad promises to break every oath he ever took to protect him.   Stiles ends the season with a career path and a new girlfriend.  Scott, on the other hand, lied to Kira and violated Corey, and as a punishment he gets to fight Dread Doctors and the Beast and Theo and the chimeras with a non-healing chest wound for six episodes.  At the end of the season, he’s been exposed to his classmates and he’s lost his second girlfriend.  

And throughout it all, there’s this unspoken expectation that Scott not only has to fight all these monsters and bad guys, but he also has to take care of Stiles’, Malia’s and Liam’s feelings – as if they weren’t the people who turned on him.  No one would criticize a white action hero for holding an ally in contempt and avoiding them if that ally tried to kill him or betrayed him, but Scott is expected to make Liam and Stiles feel loved again while fighting off an eighteenth-century supernatural serial killer.

Part of it is definitely the fandom’s fault.  Do you think the production would have done any of this if they didn’t think that the fandom  would dig it?   The fandom believes Stiles can do no wrong, and if he does do something wrong, he should be pitied for it.   They were enraged when Scott didn’t believe Stiles in Lies of Omission, even though Scott had just caught Stiles lying to him.  They cheered when Stiles hit Scott because Scott’s mistakes might have allowed Stiles’ Dad to get hurt, but if Lydia had hit Stiles because Stiles’ mistakes had gotten her hurt, they would have had a cow.   This type of double standard needs to be pointed out.

I hope you don’t feel bad.  The point of my post wasn’t to make you feel bad, it was to give you a different perspective on the show and on our culture.   I think it’s important and I try my best, but I’m not really someone to get upset about.

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russianspacegeckosexparty asked:

"Embrace the wolf" is a prime example of stans blowing up concepts that never existed in the show to the point people assume it's canon. If anything, such a concept is the opposite of what the narrative was trying to convey. This fanon ~invention~ is neck in neck popularity wise with "territory" whereas the show mad no less than three packs living in proximity with no issues

princeescaluswords answered:

It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so fundamentally racist.

Think about the concept of ‘territory’ which the show never embraced and how that would supposedly work if the show had embraced that concept.   Not only do people who embrace the concept of territory use it in a way science never did in regards to wolf packs, we’re finding now that science had misconceived of how wolf packs regarded territory.  When they use that word, they’re using it the way gangs and feudal lords used it.   It’s another bastardization of pack as paramilitary unit rather than pack as found family, which was the show’s idealization.

The concept of pack territory derived from pop culture would be more of an impediment than an advantage.  Would Scott have to rip out someone’s throat to be able to attend UC Davis?  Would Stiles have to submit to another pack in order to go to George Washington?   Is the pack forbidden to travel to Disneyland?   Would Derek have to stand, defiant and proud, and say “Scott, this is my Kroger.  You have to go hunt elsewhere.”   The show rightfully eschewed it.

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Territorial wolves in action.

The concept of werewolf territory serves white fandom’s power fantasies by investing the alpha with social and political power which enables them to act outside of basic civilized decency.  You might notice, this fanon concept only seems to apply when – you guessed it! – white men are in charge.  Peter has a right to revenge and to punish whomever he sees fit, because he’s the alpha and this is his territory.   Scott in the first three seasons must submit to Derek and/or Peter because he lives in their territory.  Derek can kill or Bite whomever he wants, because this is his territory, etc.

Yet this same fandom rages against Talia for removing Peter’s and Derek’s memories, even though it was her territory wasn’t it?   They despise Laura for ‘running,’ yet they don’t seem to scorn Satomi for not smothering omega Peter to death in his coma or driving beta Derek away after Laura’s death drew the attention of the Argents.  No, instead they concentrate on how Scott is supposed to be weak, neglectful, or too moral to protect his territory.  (It will always be the height of hypocrisy because, by their own conception, Scott could have driven Derek out of the city, executed Peter, and killed the possessed Stiles ‘for the greater good.’  Yet they never hold the fact that he didn’t against him.)

It’s the same thing with ‘embrace the wolf.’   First off, no one knows exactly what that means, so it’s a blank slate available for fandom to erase Scott’s legitimate grievances against Peter and Derek.  Scott’s dislike of Peter isn’t motivated by legitimate resentment for transforming him against his will, for violating his mind, for trying to kill everyone he loved; it’s about him not ‘embracing the wolf.’  Scott’s refusal to submit to Alpha Derek, who used him, lied to him, threatened him and the people he cared about, beat him, and demonstrated no leadership skills whatsoever isn’t about Scott maintaining his own beliefs and autonomy, it’s about him not ‘embracing the wolf.’   We have not a single canon instance of Scott ‘hating himself’ because he’s a werewolf – he wants the cure because he’s been told that unless he has iron control (or submits to these brutal, violent strangers) he is not only in mortal danger but there’s a strong possibility he’ll hurt the people he loves.  Eventually, in Season 4, he accepts being a werewolf and an alpha because Liam needs him to do so, and he has a responsibility toward Liam.  He put aside his dislike of the powers and responsibilities forced on him against his will because he had to.  

You notice, no other werewolf is accused by fandom of failing to ‘embrace the wolf.’   Peter loves his Italian tables and Shelby Cobras, and I’m sure the Primal would say he was failing to ‘embrace the wolf.’   Satomi teaches her pack peaceful resistance and the ability to hide, and Derek “You’re not leaving, you’re running” Hale never criticizes her once.  Cora abandons her pack (and territory!) for one in South America – twice – but no one ever says she’s betraying her wolf nature.

It’s a created standard for fandom to delegitimize a werewolf who manages to embrace the best of what it means to be a werewolf and the best of what it  means to be human – courage, compassion, humility, and principle – while still having flaws.   I’ll accept the ‘embrace the wolf’ criticism when someone applies it to the white male werewolves.

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While this varies by species and region, I wanna add that irl, a lot of wolves are migratory. Whether or not they are migratory or static, territory doesn’t quite mean “I want no other wolves outside of my own pack in my space!”; monopoly of land is a human problem.

There’s basically two types of territorialism, and wolves tend to not be as hung up on protecting their reproductive territory as, say, lions are, or great apes like gorillas or orangutans or humans. That just leaves resources, and territory in this instance isn’t “stay out of my space!” so much as “we can’t have too many hunters/predators in one area, or else we’ll run out of prey to eat very quickly, so we’ll snap at predators that get too close so we spread out”.

IDK about you, but somehow I doubt Peter, with his Italian leather, imported coffee tables, and Shelby Cobras, hunts deer for his dinner every night. Hell, Malia actually used to do that, and he was trying to get her out of that mindset. And there’s a 50/50 chance the foodies at UC Davis will manage to turn Scott into a vegetarian anyway.

One of the best parts of the show was that it took all the usual werewolf tropes borne of terrible understanding of wolves…and turned them on their heads, in a way that actually reflects irl misunderstandings and actualities of wolves. Much like irl, many people interpret alphas and betas as commanders and soldiers…and just like irl, in reality alphas and betas are more like parents and kids. Wolves might get territorial if they feel their resources are threatened…but otherwise, they don’t care, and many never give two shits about territory in the first place.

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liliaeth asked:

Ever notice how when people talk about Derek's traumatic past, they forget that Derek was at most about a year younger than Scott was in s1 when Paige died. This is not to dismiss Derek's trauma. He had a terrible few years at that age. His girlfriend was attacked, partly because of him, he had to kill her to end her pain. And then while he was coping with that trauma, Kate used his pain to insinuate herself in his life and manipulated him into betraying his family. Leading to their deaths. 1/

princeescaluswords answered:

All of this was no doubt horrible for a teenage boy to have happen to him. And I’m sure that his sister, who was dealing with her own grief, and having to cope with becoming an alpha at too young an age, was not the best emotional support for a kid dealing with all of that. But… up until that point, Derek had had a happy life. A family that loved him, protected him, took care of him. I’m sure his life wasn’t perfect, but it was for the most part happy. 2/
A sixteen year old that was attacked in the dark, in the middle of the woods, assaulted, violated, had his body altered against his will. A teenage boy of only 16 who spent a month where he had a vicious alpha terrorize him, invade his mind, and where he was was repeatedly abused and tortured. And that’s not even counting all the torture he went through in s2 up to 6. Why do you think it is that people do not consider that part of Scott’s traumatic childhood

The problem with parts of the fandom is their strategy of – and this is a laugh riot of irony – black-and-white thinking.    Characters are either one thing or the other; they don’t change for the worse or the better over time, and if they are good people, they can’t do bad things, and if they are bad people, they can’t do good things.

What this frees parts of the fandom to do is to isolate one point of time where the character they are attracted to is good, powerful, skilled, etc. and freeze them at that point forever.  So, they all remember where the show gave Scott a heroic moment where his pack beat the bad guy, and they forget how panicked a sixteen-year-old was when he first changed.   

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Scott’s panicked and suspect decision making at the beginning of Season 1 disqualifies him from his more settled and heroic behavior in say, Season 4.  

Similarly, for many members of this fandom, Derek Hale will forever be a victim of Peter and Kate – a young boy who wanted to loved and be loved and thus deserving of success, and patience and regard.   

For many members of this fandom,  Peter Hale will always be the alpha, on the road to righteous and well-deserved revenge and thus his atrocities are unfortunate but necessary.

For many members of the fandom, Allison Argent will always be the woman who under her grandfather’s tutelage shot Boyd and Erica with malice in her eyes.

For many members of the fandom, Scott McCall will always be the boy who having been turned into a werewolf and gained phenomenal athletic skill, played in a game he shouldn’t have to impress his mother, impress his girlfriend, and retain his dream.

It’s a very simple trick – just pick the character you like at their best or pick a character you don’t like at their worst, and see everything they ever do through that lens.

It doesn’t matter to them that Derek in Season 2 was doing exactly what Peter and Kate did to him and Scott – placing teenagers in extreme danger for his own ends.  Derek used Erica, Boyd, Isaac and tried to use Jackson as child soldiers and a replacement family.  It was horrible and the show intended it to be horrible, though it also presented it as understandable (empathy without approval).  But fandom can’t see that Derek, as much as he was harmed by what happened to him, is acting the villain.   They keep him frozen at the point he lost his family, a perpetual victim protected from the consequences of his actions by his trauma.

It doesn’t matter to them that Allison in Battlefield (2x11) was reacting to the manipulations of Gerard and the violent actions of Derek’s pack.  Yes, Victoria died, but she died after Derek and his pack tried to kill Allison’s friends Jackson and Lydia repeatedly.  Allison’s glee at tracking down and hurting Erica and Boyd was wrong, wrong, wrong, but it ignores the fact that Isaac would be dead if Allison hadn’t intervened in Shape Shifted (2x02) – they keep her frozen at the point where she was Grandpa’s girl, hunting down werewolves for fun.  

Neither picture – Derek as perpetual victim or Allison as Kate’s reincarnation – is a true picture.  But this technique is very useful if you like Derek or you dislike Allison, if you find Peter sexy or you hate Scott McCall.  To keep Derek Hale innocent of his bad decisions, all you have to do is ignore the consequences of Derek’s refusal to overcome his trauma in Season 2 or his ability to do so in Seasons 3B and 4 and keep going back to Innocent Baby Derek.  To keep Allison Argent as just another prejudiced Argent hunter, all you have to do is ignore all the time she didn’t behave that way in Seasons 1-3.  

Parts of the fandom who wanted the narrative shifted to the white characters know that Scott when bitten was the same age as Derek as when he was seduced by Kate, but they move their focus of judgment to after Scott’s been a werewolf for two years and should understand all this.   That’s how they can forget – by a deliberate choice.  

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russianspacegeckosexparty asked:

Remembering when Teen Wolf stans had that fixation bordering on obsession with the Hale Pack as a family of ~pure~ wolves and rebuilding their dynasty and whew boy the white supremacist vibes of it all. And that is related to the trope in fic of "what was Peter thinking biting Scott" yet they all agree Stiles should receive the bite.

princeescaluswords answered:

You’re right and you should say it.  

I mean, it’s pretty obvious isn’t it? You have a Latino main character whom significant parts of the fandom despises to the point of rejecting canon in its entirety.  If I could change the strength and breadth of the double standards that the fandom employs to delegitimize Scott into pure energy, I could free us from our dependency to fossil fuels.

In one breath, they say they identify with Stiles because he has ADHD, he’s emotionally fragile, he’s broken, and he involves himself in situations that aren’t healthy for him with no resources of his own because he’s recklessly brave and foolishly loyal.

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Yet, I’ve lost count of the number of stories where fandom has older white male characters – the ones who praise Scott in canon – say that Stiles should have been the one Bitten.  After all, he’s smart and he’s loyal that he would just be so much better, even though he’s emotionally fragile, broken, recklessly brave and foolish.

Or the human alpha nonsense, when canon Stiles’ idea of leadership was to berate and mock the people who looked up to him.  They can’t name one scene where Stiles expressed anything resembling leadership to anyone who didn’t like him in the first place.  But he should be alpha, because he’s smart and he’s loyal and so he would just be so much better, even though he’s emotionally fragile, broken, recklessly brave and foolish.

And then there are the qualities that they use to disqualify Scott from the dubious honor of being alpha to people who end up taking him for granted, betraying him, and then letting him make it up to him.   You know what’s weird?  (It’s not actually weird; it actually is pretty understandable.) Most of these reasons could come directly from the Grand Wizard of the KKK’s Handbook.  

Scott is sexually obsessed.  He’s pursuing (insert love interest here) while other people are dying (except he never actually did that, and several times put his romance at risk in order to help other people).  If you don’t think the white supremacists of yesteryear used the concept of racial minorities are coming for our women! as tools of control, you need to read more.

Scott is stupid.  He’s a bad student (this argument has been debunked so many times it should be a meme in itself), he’s oblivious, he’s immature, he’s lazy, and his plans are terrible (except when they’re not, then they are suddenly someone else’s plans).  If you don’t think the white supremacists of previous generations used the concept of racial minorities are ignorant children in a larger world!, you need to watch entertainment dated before 1970.  

Scott is angry, stubborn, tyrannical, etc.  His hatred of Derek and Peter is due to anger management problems and petty grudges (footage not found).  He never listens to other people (except for the times when he does listen to other people).  If you don’t think the white supremacists of last week used the concept that racial minorities are violent savages and warlords!, you need to tune into Fox News once in a while.

While I approached this tongue in cheek, I’m also very serious.  These are ways used by white supremacists to marginalize other races, even today, and rob them of their humanity.  Why wouldn’t they be employed for this?

The fandom is riddled with ideas that make Scott not only the other, but inferior:  He didn’t earn his True Alpha status, it was the product of experiments by a sinister black man.  His defeat of Derek is stripped of context and likened to rape.  He didn’t actually bite Liam – Liam is a born werewolf and Peter’s real child.  Scott’s not a werewolf at all – even though the entire premise of the show is that he’s a werewolf – but he is actually a lowenmensch like the Nazi villain because his sclera turned black once.  And there’s more.

It’s as insidious as all the stories where Stiles forms a real pack with Derek, Isaac, Jackson, Lydia, and Liam  (and sometimes Peter).  Mason, Kira, Malia and the other lesser races can stick with the Latino menace.  Don’t take my word for it – look it up for yourselves.  They haven’t deleted those stories yet.

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russianspacegeckosexparty asked:

This story really sums up racist fandom. Kate's reimagined as Laura's cool bestie who can be bitchy but has a heart of gold and wunderkind Stiles helps her with her issues gently. But Braeden (Derek's ex) is arrogant, bitchy, needs to be taken down several pegs, "resents what she can't control". She's no more abrasive than Kate but while Stiles is fond of Kate's antics, his feelings are hurt by Braeden's. She's also trans so that has even *more* awful implications of bitter black woman ex gf

princeescaluswords answered:

I know I’m harping on this particular story a lot, Prince, but as a black trans person, I have to. Because clearly so much research went into developing this + portraying diverse cultures. It just makes it worse tbh. And if prominent members like cole taught us anything, fans of color + LGBT fans can regurgitate and espouse racist rhetoric and homophobia or transphobia. Cuz we all grew up in this society with its propaganda. Ok, Stiles is pan? But your sole trans characters are treated poorly
And an author needn’t be white to write a story with white savior (over or under) tones.

Thank you for this question, though it feels that you’ve got me dancing in a minefield.   I want to talk about respecting other identities in the creation of fiction.  It’s not an easy thing to do, but it is an important thing to do.   

For example, as a white gay cis male, I have to recognize that, even when crafting a fictional story, my insights into other identities are approximations at best.  I can work hard to imagine and put down in writing the thoughts and perceptions of others, and that it is important to do so, but I must always acknowledge that I’ll never quite be able to be 100% authentic.  This awareness should help steer my writing away from many things – overgeneralization, fetishization, etc. – but to me, the most important thing it helps me do is constantly question both the evaluation of other-identity characters that I write and the causation of other-identity characters that I write.  

I also bear this in mind when I read.  No identity, either of writer or character, is immune to mishandling.

From what you describe, the writer has completely transformed the character of Braeden into something unrecognizable (though it has nothing to be with being trans).  Braeden in the show never forced anyone to do anything.   She asked questions.  She offered to teach.   She did demand that Isaac hold on to her when she was trying to rescue his half-dead werewolf but from the twins, but to equate that with controlling is quite a stretch.  If anything, Braeden could be criticized for being too laissez-faire, such as when she didn’t care what the Calavera would do to Kate once she captured her.  

And it’s quite a transformation to make Kate the sassy best friend of Laura.

It can be done.   You can do anything in fiction.  You can also criticize fiction, and this particular one gives you concern.  One of the pitfalls I watch for when making changes to a character in my own writing is what I call the “Mr. Potato Head effect” – if you’re not careful applying a new identity to a character, you can end up associating certain traits with other traits when that association doesn’t exist.

To take the example from above, if you change Braeden from the free-wheeling mercenary she is in the show into a controlling, abrasive antagonist and make her trans, if you aren’t careful, you could imply that Braeden is a controlling, abrasive antagonist because she’s trans.  Braeden was a hero and an ally when she was cishet, and she’s now an obstacle and a threat now that she’s trans?  That’s not a good look.   

What I feel writers must strive for, and readers should freely criticize them about if they fail, is how they integrate these changes with the characters as they are basically understood.   You, as reader, feel that this author signaled the value of characters by their race and self-identification, and they did it poorly, equating being black and being trans with negative qualities while a white character is enhanced by being described as “pan.” 

It is absolutely something you, as a reader, have a right to criticize.  

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russianspacegeckosexparty asked:

May be incorrect but, I feel that Teen Wolf (lets be real, Sterek or Fanon!Stiles) stans who push this "praise seeking, glory hogging Scott" narrative (it's been around for years now) are purposefully misconstruing us Scott fans who are rightfully upset the brown protagonist is routinely diminished by fandom + want his importance recognized. And mad that he dare be the lead instead of Stiles, he is ~stealing~ that role from him, he must be knocked down several pegs

princeescaluswords answered:

Look, let me make one thing clear.  No one believes any of this.

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No one really believes that Scott McCall was written as a glory hound.  There’s too much evidence that he isn’t and not much evidence that he is.  Both scenes in which he is unfairly praised told us more about the his enemies – the people praising him – then it did about Scott McCall.

No one really believes that Scott McCall (much less Melissa McCall) was written as vindictive.  There’s too much evidence that Scott never sought revenge and no evidence at all that he pursued it.  He doesn’t seek revenge against Peter, against Gerard, against Derek, against Deucalion.  More than one character (Stiles, Peter, and Scott himself) literally express frustration, fear, and scorn that he doesn’t.  

No one really believes that Scott McCall was written as a tyrant.  Scott seldom gives orders and when he does so, they’re neither cruel nor oppressive.   Even at his lowest point with Stiles, all he does is demand space and for Stiles to talk to his father, the sheriff, about a killing.

No one really believes that Scott McCall was written as a hypocrite about killing. Scott shares the same attitudes toward killing that ninety-nine percent of humanity does – that killing should be avoided and that you shouldn’t kill people for being victims of other people.   For every time that he actively opposed the killing of victims and innocents (Allison, Lydia, Jackson, Mason, the chimera, the normal population of Beacon Hills, and the supernatural population of Beacon Hills – twice), he withheld judgment on Derek, Braeden, Chris Argent, among others for using lethal force.  Even when deceived about the nature of Stiles’s killing of Donovan by Theo, he’s not angry about it.  He’s destroyed by it, as you would be too if your best friend killed someone, hid it, and lied to you about it.

No one really believes that Scott McCall was written as a bad friend to Stiles. The overwhelming evidence is here.  

None of these interpretations were made in an effort to understand or enjoy the show.  They were motivated by an agenda and only vaguely and reluctantly connected to canon – that the lead protagonist should have been an array of white male characters instead of a Latino male character.  

When I was in second grade, I got into a fight with a Seventh-Day Adventist about – I’m not even sure what it was about – but it was stopped by my music teacher.  She gave me advice that I remember to this day: “You can take a single verse out of the Bible and make it mean anything you want it to mean.  If you want to get at the truth, you have to take the book as a whole.  Does what you think that verse means fit in with everything else?”   She was a very good teacher.  

The simple fact is that everything about Teen Wolf put together makes it clear that none of these above interpretations are valid.   The writers, the producers, the actors, and the majority of the audience knows they aren’t valid, when you take the show as a whole.  If Scott was any of those things, basic writing would have insisted that it be dealt with before the end of the show.  

Then why draw them?  The members of the fandom are pursuing an agenda.  They don’t desire to talk about what is on the screen, they want to justify what they desired to be on the screen.  What’s sad to me, is they got what they wanted.  Derek rode off into the sunset after all the terrible things he did with a proper redemption arc, a family, a hot girlfriend, and new powers – all the good things that they insisted  he deserved.  Stiles got his bad actions forgiven and brushed over, got a wonderful, important future, his father didn’t die in his arms, and managed to have two girlfriends without either of them dying or being kidnapped by demigods.   Peter didn’t spend the rest of his life in jail or a mental health facility after nine murders, eight attempted murders, multiple attempts at mind control, three kidnappings and assorted other crimes. Instead, he flitted about with his millions and his cars and even got a daughter as a shortcut to redemption.

Yet there are parts of the fandom that believe were “robbed” by the writing.  That somehow, Scott McCall ending the show as the hero and the lead protagonist deprived their favorites of a happy ending.   The goal of their agenda isn’t about justice, it’s about delegitimizing the entire series which had the nerve to put a Latino male as front and center.

But it’s not racism.

nyxelestia

Really wanna emphasize this, because it encapsulates racism not just in Teen Wolf fandom, but across multiple fandoms and the history of racism vis a vis fictional media over the last several centuries of Western media:

The members of the fandom are pursuing an agenda.  They don’t desire to talk about what is on the screen, they want to justify what they desired to be on the screen.

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I made an observation the other day, while watching The Witcher with a friend.  In this episode The Witcher ties up a bad guy as bait for a monster that the bad guy help create.  The bad guy dies horribly and the Witcher helps redeem the monster.  

And the person I’m talking to makes a remark that it was pretty ruthless of Geralt of Rivia to do that.   Especially since the bad guy didn’t intend for what had happened to happen.   They wondered if there were going to be any repercussions for Geralt’s action, whether in the show or in the fandom.

And, with little thought, I quipped.  “Of course not.  He’s a white guy.”

Because it’s true.  It’s absolutely true.   When saving the day, when beating the bad guys, the only thing that a white male hero has to worry about is saving the day and beating the bad guys.   He may – nay, he’s encouraged – to make the villain’s comeuppance as unpleasant or as gruesome as possible.  It’s considered dry if the villain simply gets sent to jail.   

I’m not just talking about anti-heroes either.  Anti-heroes are those heroes who profess to be acting without conventional heroic qualities, such as compassion or principle.   I’m talking about heroes who are compassion and principles but still a little bit of an asshole.  

It’s expected now that the white male hero is going to go through some rough times.  He’s going to be under stress.  He’s going to need to break a few rules.  He is oftentimes going to need to defy legitimate authority.   Defeating the bad guys is difficult work, so he has to focus on that, and if he has to snap at his sidekicks or make decisions over the needs of his allies, that is what he has to do.

The time of the Boy Scout superhero – the ones who are always polite and never hurt anyone’s feelings – died in the 1950s.  For white male heroes, being polite is now an endearing quirk.

But if you’re not a white male, it’s a requirement.

Take Captain Marvel.   There were people complaining that she used her greater strength to steal a snide, leering bystander’s motorcycle in order to get where she needed to go.   If she were a white male, that would be … normal behavior.

And there was even more upset when her archenemy, Yonn-Rog, challenged her to fight without powers and she blasted him away like the chump he was.  There was an entire subset of fandom that despise the fact that she wasn’t chivalrous or kind. 

Shuri in both the Black Panther and the Infinity War movies was criticized for being sassy, a trait that people love in white males, and that her claim for being the smartest person on Earth was somehow an injustice.

Even in my own fandom, the Latino hero Scott McCall is despised because in the course of defeating the bad guy in Season 2, he inconvenienced another antagonist for 30 seconds.   He’s also despised for putting the Season 4 villain who tried to kill him into a mental institution with less than benign practices.  I mean, he is literally hated for this.   

I guarantee you that if Derek had put Peter into Eichen House, there would be tons of meta about how it was absolutely necessary.  

You see, as much as things are changing, they’re not changing that much.  Heroes that aren’t white and male have to not only save the day, but they have to justify their qualifications for saving the day, to be cautious with their methods while saving the day, and to answer for their temerity in saving the day.

firelxdykatara

While this is an interesting observation, you should probably mention that the ‘monster’ in question was actually a young woman who’d been born via significant, horrible trauma, because of a curse placed on her mother by the ‘bad guy’ (who, incidentally, was pissed that her mother rejected him [yes, yes, in favor of her brother, but that rather paled in comparison to what Ostritt did to her–it’s strongly implied that she was raped, and he did it]). The monster wasn’t ‘redeemed’–the curse that had been placed on her by the guy who cursed her mother was broken. Ostritt had it coming. I’m not sure what ‘comeuppance’ Geralt, or anyone in that situation, should face for saving a young girl’s life at the expense of the man who cursed her. That was kind of a significant, hugely important part of the story.

Now, the double standard existing where, for example, Captain Marvel caught endless flak for breaking a guy’s wrist when he was trying to harass her, but male heroes don’t face the same scrutiny? That’s a valid point. But the full context of situations is important too. The fact that someone looked at what happened with the striga and thought Geralt was ruthless and should have had some sort of punishment for what he did in a horrific situation is….. kind of appalling, to be honest. I watched that shit and all I could think was good for her, because a) she got to kill the literal source of her trauma, and b) said source of her trauma was absolutely content to let her slaughter her way through a bunch of innocent people while he tried to get the heck out of dodge. He wouldn’t even reveal the way to break her curse until he was tied down and under imminent threat of death.

Seeing that sort of behavior be viscerally punished is pretty damn rare in media like this.

princeescaluswords

Thank you for your observations.  I’m not really arguing about whether Ostritt had it coming or not, for I didn’t personally get the rape hint, though I’m certainly not doubting that he could have done it.   I’m not here to say that Ostritt should have lived or not.  My concern is about Geralt’s freedom to transcend law and custom to act.

Let me put it another way, if you’ll indulge me.   Geralt of Rivia’s task there was to break the curse and free the country from the monsters.  He wasn’t paid nor was he empowered to punish Ostritt.  Once he got the details of the curse, Geralt had no overwhelming need to leave him there to be disemboweled by the poor princess.  (You could argue that he did it to give the princess someone to play with in order to waste her time before dawn.  Certainly a worthwhile factor.)  

I’m saying that white male heroes like Geralt can choose to cross that line, to make someone like Ostritt die horrifically and seldom have that choice be questioned in media or by fandom.  Some people would want Ostritt punished as horrifically as possible, but within the bounds of the world, Geralt didn’t have that right.   He was the Butcher of Blaviken after all, called that because he picked a fight with Renfri’s men and Renfri herself.  

My point was more that most often, white males are entitled – or even cheered on – to overstep boundaries like Geralt did, while minority and female heroes aren’t.

Let’s take Captain Marvel.   While Yonn-Rog might not have been as seedy as Ostritt, he was still guilty of gas lighting and manipulating Carol Danvers for years.  He was still guilty of attempted genocide against the Skrulls and manipulating Carol to also participate in a genocide against the Skrulls as a servant of the Supreme Intelligence.  Comparing Yonn-Rog’s and Ostritt’s crimes against each other is pointless, but if Ostritt deserved a terrible death, Yonn-Rog certainly did as well.

Yet, if Carol had executed Yonn-Rog like that, there would have been outcry.  And while it might not be a medieval world, Carol had been trained as part of a militaristic society, where it was strongly implied that she had destroyed the enemies of the Kree.   As it were, Carol simply humiliated her deceptive captor and an imperialistic stooge, and it was questioned severely.   

I can certainly detail more examples.

nyxelestia

To put this in perspective, how different would the fandom’s reaction to this be if it had been Yennefer, or if Geralt had been POC? I know I certainly agree that Ostritt had it coming and that I don’t think it was worth shedding tears for Geralt to sacrifice him to save the cursed princess.

But I guarantee the fandom would not have seen it that way if Geralt hadn’t been a white man. If Yennefer or Dara, or pre-betrayal Fringilla had done it, fandom would be in an uproar for them failing to save Ostritt/keep him alive in the process of rescuing the princess from the curse.

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Just one last thing for the day, before I just walk away from the whole thing with the Trumpist’s tantrum and take a breather.

In the last day alone, I have deal with so much antisemitism that I am fucking drained.  Most days this thing with the Trumpist would have been chuckle-worthy for just how self-parodic they’re being, with the screams about how they’re being persecuted and it’s just their opinion and stuff like that.

But today and yesterday were not “most days”.  

For the last two weeks (starting on January 16, 2020) , a Trumpist has been working his way through my main writing project, A Thing Of Vikings, over on FF.net, and leaving nasty and insulting guest reviews (as of today, they occupy most of the first four pages of the reviews).  

Yesterday (January 28), he reached chapter 63 of ATOV, where I start the Judaism subplot and, in the Author’s Note, state that I am Jewish.

He did not take it well.

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[Text of the review: Guest chapter 63 . Jan 28 And now it all makes sense. The idiotic liberal agenda, the attacks on Christianity, the false presentation of the Norse from how they were, the sly and sneaky support of taxation, the ahistorical homo agenda… it’s how your kind work. You get in, you run the media, corrupting it bit by bit, twisting things until up is down, left is right, and smart policies are an excuse for a coup, cough, excuse me, an “impeachment inquiry” that overrides the will of the people! Oh, I see you. I SEE YOU. How much did Soros bankroll you to write this, so you could get your hooks into niche markets like this, where people wouldn’t be expecting your corruption! Well, I see you for what you are, and I’ve seen it from the beginning, even though I was missing that key piece that made it all make sense! I was smelling the stench of your rejection of Jesus, the King of Heaven, and your renunciation of His Love, and your allegiance to your true patron, Lucifer, on whose behalf you and your kind operate in your thirst for Christian lives and blood as you fatten your coffers at our expense! I can see now that the twisting of history had a purpose, but I know that there is no turning you from your path, as twisted and sick in Satan’s service as you are, and I will turn back from exposing myself to your corruption any further!]  

So I got that yesterday. And that wasn’t the only bit of really blatant antisemitism I’ve had personally directed at me in the last 24 hours.

I am so fucking done.

But sure, banning someone who supports a wannabe dictator with the official position that he is above the law is somehow the worst case of oppression ever.

Bull.  Shit.

I don’t walk outside with my kippah or anything that makes me identifiable as Jewish for fear of my life.

Trumpists aren’t born that way; they choose to be monsters.

I’m called a monster for being born.  

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That same guest was apparently annoyed with my reviews on A Thing of Vikings where I voiced my views about white supremacists pushing their agenda on my cultural heritage (I’m Swedish). So today, he went to one of my fics on FFnet and left a “review” that went full Nazi.

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[Text of the review: Guest Chapter 1 . Feb 17 :It’s not an “agenda”, it’s the truth! A truth that is being twisted and tainted thanks to the efforts of people like the censoring globalist who wrote that ahistorical nonsense that you’re defending! Look at what she wrote in that propaganda piece that she’s touting as “historically accurate”! Government interference in people’s daily lives! Taxation of the most successful and deserving to GIVE parasites things that they don’t deserve! And free immigration and naturalization? We call them Globalists for a reason, and that fanfic is a microcosm of the reasons why! If you actually took those ideas that the (((author))) is pushing, then we’d all end up enslaved to the government, without freedom or choice for ourselves! It’s how they’re trying to destroy the white race-OUR RACE! My blood is the same as yours, but yours is endangered by the invasion taking over your country, the country that my ancestors left, trusting you to keep it safe! And you have failed that! What sane people allows themselves to be invaded by degenerates and make them cozy and support them, knowing that they’ve invited a cancer into their very lifeblood!? But you don’t see the threat being raised against you and your homeland, and whose fault is that!? I’ll tell you-the very same ones who wrote that fanfic you’re so ardently defending! You want to throw the Dunning-Krueger effect at me? That’s so rich coming from an idi]

Placing the final paragraphs under the cut for triggering content, including extremely vile antisemitism.

Keep reading

athingofvikings

And THIS is why I don’t want Trumpists following me, reading my stuff, or joining the Discord server.

Because how am I supposed to interact with someone like THIS?

kalessinsdaughter

You aren’t. There is no way you (or I) can interact meaningfully or safely with someone that far into right-wing territory.

athingofvikings

Exactly. And for the people who say that I’m conflating all Trumpists with Nazis…

A) Am I wrong to do so? No.

B) Even if I was wrong to do so, that not all of them have those beliefs explicitly, the fact that they accept them implicitly by not policing their own party and making it not acceptable means that they are still effectively saying that such beliefs are okay to them.

And C) even if they claim to be one of the non-racist, non-fascist Trumpists (and for my next trick, I’ll find a unicorn), I have no reason to trust that claim.

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@athingofvikings

You speak the truth, and it scares them

athingofvikings

It’s not even what I’m speaking that makes them hate me.

They hate me for who and what I was born as. They hate me for things I cannot change about myself. The fact that I am opposed to them politically is only part of it. The rest of it is an incredible hatred for me, my people, and my heritage, because their ideology demands a scapegoat for their own failures, and my people are who they have picked to blame.

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