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darawk · 2020-06-29T17:38:38+00:00

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

So, to be clear: If a black person in the United States says something like "kill all white people", that is allowed? But the converse is not?

Are these rules going to be enforced by the location of the commenter? If a black person in Africa says "kill all white people" is that banned speech, because they are the local majority?

Does the concept of 'majority' even make sense in the context of a global, international community? Did you guys even try to think through a coherent rule here?

If 'majority' is conceptualized in some abstract sense, like 'share of power', is that ideologically contingent? For instance, neo-nazis tend to believe that jews control the world. Does that mean that when they talk about how great the holocaust was, they're punching up and so it's ok?

EDIT: Since a few people have requested it, here's the source for the quotation:

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

EDIT2: To preempt a certain class of response, I am not objecting to the hate speech ban. I am supporting it. I am only objecting to the exemption to the hate speech ban for hate speech against majority groups. If we're going to have a "no hate speech" policy - let's have a no hate speech policy.

lucasvb · 2020-03-24T19:18:20+00:00

Would you please consider also implementing approval voting instead of just plurality voting/First Past the Post? You literally just have to replace radio boxes ("pick only one") with check boxes ("check all that apply"), and do the appropriate minor tweak to the backend. Here's CGP Grey's explanation of approval voting.

As you said, "there’s no better place to get honest answers and gauge consensus". The current "choose one out of many" method of voting DOES NOT gauge consensus! This is a well-known problem of plurality voting, and a mathematical fact! It's in fact a major reason why elections worldwide are unrepresentative, because this form of voting is fundamentally flawed.

On the other hand, approval voting DOES find consensus, mathematically. So it is a MUCH more powerful voting tool.

We have a whole community here on Reddit dedicated to discussing voting systems, /r/EndFPTP, and we'd be thrilled if you could reflect the known advancements of voting system theory in this feature. Rise above the horribleness of "choose one" plurality voting, and get more out of this new feature!

Note: It would be even better if you could also let users pick other voting systems (score, STAR, Condorcet, etc.), but approval voting is an absolutely trivial change and would make this feature infinitely better and more useful. If people wanted to vote for a single option they could still do it even in approval, but there are so many more situations where voting for more options is required or better. So having a hard limit "vote for only one" is unnecessary in a lot of applications. The only situation where FPTP is really useful is when you want to gauge the size of mutually competing "factions", without really trying to select a "winner" out of them (so the opposite of elections). In every other situation there are better systems to be used.

Sporkicide · 2015-06-10T19:08:26+00:00

We haven’t banned it because that subreddit hasn’t had the recent ongoing issues with harassment, either on-site or off-site. That’s the main difference between the subreddits that were banned and those that are being mentioned in the comments - they might be hateful or distasteful, but were not actively engaging in organized harassment of individuals. /r/shitredditsays does come up a lot in regard to brigading, although it’s usually not the only subreddit involved. We’re working on developing better solutions for the brigading problem.

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