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This user gives false information

This user edited a page on Rochas okorocha adding false in informations Blessedbukason (talk) 07:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

This is a bot. It can not add ”false information”. It’s not the bot that added that info. So you might want to retract your statement.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

According to edit all it did was fix this [link]. What exactly was "false" about that? A sentient pickle (talk) 17:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Related improvements

While you're at updating markup it could you also update archive-url and archive-date too please? See Template:cite web. -- 109.79.76.70 (talk) 11:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

If you mean what I think that you mean (replacing |archiveurl= with |archive-url= and replacing |archivedate= with |archive-date=), the horse has pretty much left the barn. If you are talking about Monkbot/task 16, that task is just about to be retired because articles with |dead-url= and |deadurl= are now only dribbling into Category:CS1 errors: deprecated parameters.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:46, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. Should've asked sooner but better late than never though. -- 109.79.76.70 (talk) 13:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Still, too late is too late. Modifying the bot to do what you want will require work on my part to implement that functionality and, likely, a new WP:BRFA to approve it. Too much effort for so little gain. And, |archiveurl= and |archivedate= are valid and acceptable parameter names, just not the canonical, preferred names.

Perhaps in future bots I'll include renaming parameter aliases to their canonical forms as ancillary changes made to cs1|2 templates when those templates are modified according to the bot's primary purpose.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for considering it at least. (I'm not sure what the exact reason for the change in those parameters was but I certainly prefer to see less deliberate misspellings when I'm trying to edit markup, makes real mistakes easier to see.) -- 109.79.76.70 (talk) 14:29, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Hyphenated parameter names were adopted as the preferred names in accordance with this RfC.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:35, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Citation templates

Hi Trappist the monk! After the recent change in the Module:Citation/CS1, I and other users have noticed a 'broken' behaviour in the citation templates: if the title is not specified, the url does not work, and an error message is displayed. While this may be OK for {{cite book}}, it is problematic for templates like {{cite encyclopedia}}, where 'title=' is reserved for specific entries, but where multiple entries from the same work may be referenced in an article. I have a number of reference work templates that transclude {{cite encyclopedia}}, like {{Prosopographie der mittelbyzantinischen Zeit}}, {{Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium}}, and {{Prosopographisches Lexikon der Palaiologenzeit}}, where this has led to problems, for example this behaviour:

Lilie, Ralph-Johannes; Ludwig, Claudia; Pratsch, Thomas; Zielke, Beate (2013). Prosopographie der mittelbyzantinischen Zeit Online. Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften. Nach Vorarbeiten F. Winkelmanns erstellt (in German). Berlin and Boston: De Gruyter https://www.degruyter.com/view/db/pmbz.

Can you please correct this/revert to previous behaviour? Thanks, Constantine ✍ 08:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

The change was discussed here: Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 58#cite encyclopedia without |title=.

For {{Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium}} I might suggest something like this (not tested):

|encyclopedia={{#if:{{{title|}}}|[[Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium|The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium]]}}
|title={{#if:{{{title|}}}|{{{title}}}|[[Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium|The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium]]}}

additionally, remove |article= because {{Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium}} does not support |article-url= and, because this source lies behind a paywall, set |url-status=subscription (when there is a url present) as a notification to readers.

If you are feeling more adventuresome, consider rewriting these templates to use Module:Template wrapper which will give editors access to all of the cs1|2 template parameters.

I looked at how {{Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium}} is used in Abydos (Hellespont). There, {{harvnb|ODB|...}} templates point to the {{Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium}} template. That's ok, I suppose, for readers who are reading the article online, but the three-character string 'ODB' does not exist in anywhere in Abydos (Hellespont) § Bibliography. A perhaps better method would be to use {{harvc}} which is explicitly intended for this kind of citing where multiple contributors to a single work are cited. Here is an example taken from Abydos (Hellespont):

I have rewritten the several {{harvnb|ODB|...}} templates (exposed here for clarity but in an article would be wrapped in <ref>...</ref> tags):

• Brand 1991, p. 2134
• Hollingsworth 1991, pp. 1476–1477
• Kazhdan 1991a, pp. 1094–1095
• Kazhdan 1991b, pp. 1706–1707
• Kazhdan 1991c, p. 1216
• Kazhdan 1991d

In §Bibliography a {{Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium}} template (written here as {{cite encyclopedia}} to hide the missing title error) followed by the several {{harvc}} templates for the individual contributions:

• Kazhdan, Alexander, ed. (1991). The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium. Oxford and New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-504652-8.
  • Brand, Ch. M. "Tzachas". In Kazhdan (1991).
  • Hollingsworth, P. A. "Nikephoros I". In Kazhdan (1991).
  • Kazhdan, A. (1991a). "Kallipolis". In Kazhdan (1991).
  • Kazhdan, A. (1991b). "Ports". In Kazhdan (1991).
  • Kazhdan, A. (1991c). "Leo of Tripoli". In Kazhdan (1991).
  • Kazhdan, A. (1991d). "Kephalas". In Kazhdan (1991). – a Royal Holloway University of London login page? is that the correct url?

{{harvc}} doesn't support |url-access= but I can see that in, this case, it should. I'll fix that. Fixed; |url-access=subscription added to the above {{harvc}} templates.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2019 (UTC) 14:31, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the very detailed answer, I'll have a look at your suggestions and start implementing them. Constantine ✍ 08:39, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

SVU Season 14 Episode Traumatic Wound

1. Have You seen this Episode? Yes or No?

2. did [Alex, Jake, Britt, Louis, Ralph] know 100% that [Gabby was Going to Get raped]?(2601:243:400:B5E0:BDE4:3A1D:457F:9CA0 (talk) 15:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)).

Why not?

Your name was in Revision History for SVU Season 14, so did You watch [Traumatic Wound episode]?(2601:243:400:B5E0:BDE4:3A1D:457F:9CA0 (talk) 17:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)).

I have restored your original post. I have never edited Svu season 14. My bot has, but I have not. The answer to qestion #1 is: no.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)