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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
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ScopeEdit
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussionsEdit
Discussions awaiting closureEdit
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 15 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 14 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 12 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 11 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 10 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 9 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 8 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 7 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 6 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 5 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 4 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 3 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 2 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 1 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 27 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 26 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 23 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 22 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 21 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 20 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 18 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 15 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 7 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 5 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 4 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 31 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 20 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 19 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 12 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 6 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfDEdit
Nomination procedureEdit
TwinkleEdit
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Nominate for deletion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.
Manual nominationsEdit
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub typesEdit
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update TemplateName, ProposedName and Reason): For ==== Template:TemplateName ==== :* '''Propose deleting''' {{lt|TemplateName}} :'''Nominator's rationale:''' Reason. ~~~~ For ==== Template:TemplateName ==== :* '''Propose renaming''' [[Template:TemplateName]] to [[Template:ProposedName]] :'''Nominator's rationale:''' Reason. ~~~~
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Notifying interested projects and editorsEdit
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd-notify|Category name|2019 March 23|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd-notify}}
to inform the category's creator and {{Cfdnotice2}}
for all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedureEdit
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categoriesEdit
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to continue the process, it may be requested regularly at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
Speedy criteriaEdit
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixesEdit
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practicesEdit
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree namesEdit
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's nameEdit
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply, even if an article is the primary topic of its name.
- This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result.
C2E: Author requestEdit
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
Admin instructionsEdit
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there are no oppositions to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing the opposition(s).
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed - follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is Delete, Merge, or Rename"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussionsEdit
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging hereEdit
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
This will sign and datestamp an entry automatically.
Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 23:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC). Currently, there are 100 open requests (. )
Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here! Categories are processed following the 48-hour discussion period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requestsEdit
- Category:People from Kirovsky District, Republic of North Ossetia-Alania to Category:People from Kirovsky District, North Ossetia–Alania – C2A: see Kirovsky District, North Ossetia–Alania. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:People from Pravoberezhny District, North Ossetia-Alania to Category:People from Pravoberezhny District, North Ossetia–Alania – C2A: see Pravoberezhny District, North Ossetia–Alania. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:People from Prigorodny District, North Ossetia-Alania to Category:People from Prigorodny District, North Ossetia–Alania – C2A: see Prigorodny District, North Ossetia–Alania. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Women's sports organisations by country to Category:Women's organizations by country – C2C per Category:Women's organizations – Fayenatic London 20:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Should be Category:Women's sports organizations by country, I think. Oculi (talk) 21:56, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Thai National heritage films to Category:Thai national heritage films – C2A: C2A, C2E - Typo by me. Paul_012 (talk) 19:28, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Paul 012: What, precisely, is a "Thai national heritage film"? I checked about a dozen of the articles and saw no references to "Thai national heritage". Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- It's an official film preservation register maintained by the Thai Film Archive. The official list (in Thai) is at [1]. See [2] for example of news coverage. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:43, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Paul 012: What, precisely, is a "Thai national heritage film"? I checked about a dozen of the articles and saw no references to "Thai national heritage". Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:TAC Cup players to Category:NAB League players – C2B: per NAB League/Category:NAB League. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Women's organisations based in Croatia to Category:Women's organizations based in Croatia – C2C: per the convention in Category:Organizations based in Croatia. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:51, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Transport research organisations to Category:Transport research organizations – C2C: convention within Category:Research organizations by field. Oculi (talk) 00:34, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:World Open (squash) to Category:World Squash Championships – C2D, renamed in 2016 to World Squash Championships. Tagged by user:PPEMES in January but not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 23:13, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Islamic dress controversy in Europe to Category:Islamic clothing controversy in Europe – C2C per Category:Islamic clothing. Tagged by user:PPEMES in January but not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 23:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Kapfenberger SC to Category:Kapfenberger SV – C2D per Kapfenberger SV, stable at that name. Category was tagged by anon in January, not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 23:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament to Category:Hlinka Gretzky Cup – C2D, article was moved April 2018 to Hlinka Gretzky Cup. Category was tagged by anon in January, not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 22:59, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:2019 ITF Men's Circuit to Category:2019 ITF Men's World Tennis Tour – C2D per 2019 ITF Men's World Tennis Tour, moved per RM at Talk:2019 ITF Women's World Tennis Tour. Category was tagged by anon in January, not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 22:44, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:2017 World Youth Championships in Athletics to Category:2017 IAAF World U18 Championships – C2D, main article was moved a year ago by user:Sillyfolkboy to 2017 IAAF World U18 Championships, and the name has not been disputed since. Category was tagged by anon in January, not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 22:41, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Horse racing organisations in Canada to Category:Horse racing organizations in Canada – C2C: convention within Category:Sports organizations of Canada. Oculi (talk) 18:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:1995–96 CBA season to Category:1995–96 Chinese Basketball Association season — C2D per 1995–96 Chinese Basketball Association season, etc. The head articles for each of the 16 categories were renamed by an RM discussion at Talk:1995–96 Chinese Basketball Association season#Requested_move_14_March_2019, initiated by me.
Note that CBA is massively ambiguous, so redirects should not be kept. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:42, 22 March 2019 (UTC)- Category:1996–97 CBA season to Category:1996–97 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:1997–98 CBA season to Category:1997–98 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:1998–99 CBA season to Category:1998–99 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:1999–2000 CBA season to Category:1999–2000 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2000–01 CBA season to Category:2000–01 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2001–02 CBA season to Category:2001–02 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2002–03 CBA season to Category:2002–03 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2003–04 CBA season to Category:2003–04 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2004–05 CBA season to Category:2004–05 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2005–06 CBA season to Category:2005–06 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2006–07 CBA season to Category:2006–07 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2007–08 CBA season to Category:2007–08 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2008–09 CBA season to Category:2008–09 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2009–10 CBA season to Category:2009–10 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2010–11 CBA season to Category:2010–11 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2011–12 CBA season to Category:2011–12 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2012–13 CBA season to Category:2012–13 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2013–14 CBA season to Category:2013–14 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2014–15 CBA season to Category:2014–15 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2015–16 CBA season to Category:2015–16 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2016–17 CBA season to Category:2016–17 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2017–18 CBA season to Category:2017–18 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:2018–19 CBA season to Category:2018–19 Chinese Basketball Association season
- Category:Skeptic organisations by country to Category:Skeptic organizations by country – C2C: convention within Category:Organizations by subject and country; also Category:Skeptic organizations. Oculi (talk) 14:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:People educated at Northampton High School to Category:People educated at Northampton High School, England – C2D per Northampton High School, England, Northampton High School is ambiguous and the choice of "England" was chosen at Talk:Oxford High School, England#Requested move 14 March 2019. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:People educated at Oxford High School, Oxford to Category:People educated at Oxford High School, England – C2D per Oxford High School, England, see the recent RM the current title is ambiguous as there are other high schools in other Oxfords, see Oxford High School. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:31, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:North Ballarat Rebels players to Category:Greater Western Victoria Rebels players – C2D: Team's name has changed – Teratix ₵ 09:56, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Scientific organisations based in Croatia to Category:Scientific organizations based in Croatia – C2C: convention within Category:Organizations based in Croatia. Oculi (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Opposed requestsEdit
- Category:Order of Faithful Service to Category:National Order of Faithful Service – C2D: National Order of Faithful Service. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Recipients of the Order of Faithful Service to Category:Recipients of the National Order of Faithful Service
- Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of Faithful Service to Category:Grand Crosses of the National Order of Faithful Service
- Oppose speedy. @Oculi, the current title is the result of an undiscussed move, and I don't see any English-language reliable sources ti support it. I did a Gbooks search, and usage seems to be lean more to omitting the word "National". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Despite the fact that the Romanian name of the Romanian order clearly includes the word "National"? That is beyond illogical! It's clearly the name of the order. Just because some English-language sources have obviously been lazy does not mean that we should be or that we should alter the clear and obvious name of an order from a non-English-speaking country. And in any case, there are plenty of references to its full title in English in this search. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing to do with me. Oculi (talk) 16:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, Oculi, I pinged the wrong editor.
- @Necrothesp, per WP:COMMONNAME "When using Google, generally a search of Google Books and News Archive should be defaulted to before a web search, as they concentrate reliable sources". That is why I did a search of Google Books. Your general web search predominantly searches unreliable sources, so it is irrelevant. (As an aside, this is a very basic issue in article titling. I am very surprised that after so much involvement in article titles, Necrothesp has flouted the fundamental principle of WP:CRITERIA to follow reliable sources).
- I could be persuaded by an official source which clearly gives the Romanian title as starting with the word "National". But I didn't find one in the head article, and Necrothesp's comment here amounts to assertion rather than evidence (a practise which Necrothesp engages in far too often). If Necrothesp has actual evidence of the Romanian usage, please present it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- So, evidence from such apparently unreliable sources as Carnegie Mellon University, Associated Press, the EU, the US State Department and NATO, plus the common sense that that's what it's actually and obviously called in Romania, its country of origin (and there is absolutely no reason, given it's a Romanian order mostly only awarded to Romanians, that it would have an alternative name in English), is irrelevant because a few lazy English-language authors have missed off the initial word (and note that the first author even in BHG's search uses the full name)? And apparently because they're printed books they trump any other source (because, as we all know, authors who write actual books never, ever make mistakes and their words must be taken as Gospel truth)! And then BHG makes what appears to amount to a personal attack on a fellow highly-experienced editor, my integrity and my activities on Wikipedia. What precisely is going on here? This seems to be a very odd renaming request to challenge. Because to me it seems to be blatantly obvious that that's what the order is called. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oh dear, @Necrothesp.I'm sorry that you are so offended by my pointing out that en.wp has a policy of using reliable sources, but it shouldn't be news to you. The secondary sources which you cite now do appear to be reliable sources, but the general google search you linked to earlier is not, for the policy reasons above.
- But where's the actual evidence for you assertion about the official name in Romania? "
It seems to be blatantly obvious
" is not evidence of either official or common usage, and nor is your assertion that it's "common sense that that's what it's actually and obviously called in Romania
". As ever, I'm open to actual evidence. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:38, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- So, evidence from such apparently unreliable sources as Carnegie Mellon University, Associated Press, the EU, the US State Department and NATO, plus the common sense that that's what it's actually and obviously called in Romania, its country of origin (and there is absolutely no reason, given it's a Romanian order mostly only awarded to Romanians, that it would have an alternative name in English), is irrelevant because a few lazy English-language authors have missed off the initial word (and note that the first author even in BHG's search uses the full name)? And apparently because they're printed books they trump any other source (because, as we all know, authors who write actual books never, ever make mistakes and their words must be taken as Gospel truth)! And then BHG makes what appears to amount to a personal attack on a fellow highly-experienced editor, my integrity and my activities on Wikipedia. What precisely is going on here? This seems to be a very odd renaming request to challenge. Because to me it seems to be blatantly obvious that that's what the order is called. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy. @Oculi, the current title is the result of an undiscussed move, and I don't see any English-language reliable sources ti support it. I did a Gbooks search, and usage seems to be lean more to omitting the word "National". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussionEdit
- Category:Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in Australia to Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases in Australia – C2C per Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country Danski454 (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in New Zealand to Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases in New Zealand
- Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse cases in Canada to Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases in Canada
- Oppose at least speedy. The main articles of the categories are Catholic Church sexual abuse cases in Australia, Catholic Church sexual abuse cases in New Zealand and Catholic sexual abuse cases in Canada. Armbrust The Homunculus 06:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- I suggest placing this one on hold until this related discussion closes. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:49, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Done. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Moved to full discussionEdit
- Category:Wikipedia character-substitution templates to Category:Character-substitution templates – C2C, to agree with Category:Character templates, Category:Line-handling templates, Category:Example-formatting templates, Category:Typing-aid templates, Category:Unit indicator templates, and insert 100+ other examples here. We only need prefix "Wikipedia" in template category names when it is needed for clarity (e.g. Category:Wikipedia self-reference templates). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 11:05, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose: (1) per Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates; (2) per Wikipedia:Category names#Special conventions: Categories used for Wikipedia administration are prefixed with the word "Wikipedia" (no colon) if this is needed to prevent confusion with content categories. I am not sure about "table of contents templates" being a real-world thing (I think of the various TOC options in MS Word...), but templates definitely are. Category:Character templates, etc. should all be prefixed with "Wikipedia". -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:36, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- This should go to full CfR, then. "Templates" are not something about which we are going to have articles/categories that are going to be ambiguous with the names of Wikipedia-specific templates' names and categories. "It exists in the world" and "it is an encyclopedic topic" are not synonymous. The few off-site templates which are notable don't have names like our templates' names. The phrase "formatting and function templates" arguably is over-broad enough as a classifier to require a "Wikipedia" prefix, but "character substitution templates", etc., are not. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:38, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Full CfR opened (just about the first of these; we needn't have essentially duplicate CfRs open to settle the same question). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:53, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Full discussion located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 10#Category:Wikipedia character-substitution templates. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:08, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose: (1) per Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates; (2) per Wikipedia:Category names#Special conventions: Categories used for Wikipedia administration are prefixed with the word "Wikipedia" (no colon) if this is needed to prevent confusion with content categories. I am not sure about "table of contents templates" being a real-world thing (I think of the various TOC options in MS Word...), but templates definitely are. Category:Character templates, etc. should all be prefixed with "Wikipedia". -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:36, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
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