Tim Worstall: So You Want to Nationalize Facebook?

The latest bright idea from Paul Mason is that Facebook must be regulated or changed in some manner to make darn sure it does what Paul Mason wants Facebook to be doing.

There are lots of problems with the Corbynista columnist’s idea. They include: not understanding how the internet or corporate law works; ignoring how innovation happens; and the political problem of allowing the government to control a social network, real or digital.

That’s not to mention the broader point that the people best placed to control Facebook are the 2 billion users of Facebook, who can choose to use the service or not. But such free-market liberalism isn’t quite the fashion de nos jours, is it?

State-Managed Social Interaction Is Awful

Let’s start with the question of ownership. That Facebook is a public, listed company therefore owned by the public seems to escape Mason. Perhaps by public ownership, he means government ownership. But that is something he rules out.

Heavy state regulation of Facebook would be to repeat the mistakes of the 20th century when governments really did try to control the social milieu. As Anne Applebaum points out in Iron Curtain, the first thing every Soviet-imposed government in Eastern Europe did was to make sure that all corners of society were state controlled. The local equivalents of the Womens’ Institute, the chess and jazz clubs, swimming teams, and simply every expression of civil society were brought under the control of the state and Party bureaucracy. People were actually sent to jail for continuing to run Scout troops.

There might be some manner in which “public owned” and “state” are different, but I’m absolutely certain that this wouldn’t be the case in modern Britain.

Mason, along with far too much of the British Left, is pretty relaxed about repeating Soviet mistakes, but there’s no reason why the rest of us have to go along with it. That rather covers the regulation and ownership aspects. As to breaking the company up, we find more in his thread of tweets on the subject.

He points to the UK corporate registration as proof that we can control the local bit, or break it off from the whole. Such a conclusion is hard to square with the complaint about the Facebook profits HMRC struggles to tax. The reason Facebook doesn’t pay UK corporation tax on all the money collected from the UK is that the UK company just does some engineering bits, and doesn’t actually run the service. That engineering could be done from elsewhere just as the ad sales are. And the design. And there’s absolutely no one at all who has insisted that there must be a UK company out there before signing up for the service, is there?

We then come to what is arguably Mason’s silliest claim: “Next comes the f***wittery about ‘we don’t want the state owning our data.’ Me too. Hence I proposed a public owned digital ID service.

There might be some manner in which “public owned” and “state” are different, but I’m absolutely certain that this wouldn’t be the case in modern Britain. As even Gordon Brown ended up agreeing when he revealed that the BBC license fee was indeed just another tax all along.

The State Does Not Innovate

But there is a deeper reason why we don’t want the British state to have anything to do with the likes of Facebook. The state never does innovate. Even if we accept Mariana Mazzucato’s points about invention—which we shouldn’t—it was still Apple that made the iPhone. There was no state involvement in the creation of MySpace, Twitter, or Facebook. There never is in people using extant inventions to do something new and whizzy, that very definition of innovation. Therefore we just don’t want the state running things in those areas of innovation, do we? For if it did, it would never happen.

The mere fact that someone is successful within those rules isn’t an argument to nationalize or regulate them further.

That, in short, is why we don’t want the British state anywhere near something like social media or any other fast-changing technology business. The moment decisions are taken on the sort of societal grounds that Mason admires and insists upon then technological advance will grind to a halt.

Facebook should be and is subject to all the same sorts of rules as any other business in the country. That is the proper role of government: to set general rules which must be obeyed by all and then we all get to see what happens. If Facebook did indeed break the law then they should, of course, be held responsible.

But the mere fact that someone is successful within those rules isn’t an argument to nationalize or regulate them further and that, when it comes down to it, is the only real argument Mason is employing. For there’s no one quite as jealous as a statist discovering that an organization other than the state has a meaningful amount of power.

Reprinted from CapX.

Tim Worstall


Tim Worstall

Tim is a Fellow at the Adam Smith Institute in London

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Open Forum: March 24, 2018

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IdentityTech

My RMIT colleague Alastair Berg has an essay up at Medium:

While self-sovereign identity is only one possible eventuality, the economic consequences of blockchain on the governance of identity, and other economic institutions will be disruptive. Perhaps a form of federated identity facilitated through blockchain technology, would allow users or citizens of one system or country to access services or facilities of another within a federation. This is analogous to single sign on (SSO) functionality, and reduces the cost to firms and governments of verifying the identity and attributes of individuals.

Blockchain technology could equally be used by government or firms to impose a single uniform identity on all citizens. If technology is morally neutral, then the libertarian future Satoshi Nakamoto and the other cypherpunks envisioned is equally possible to a world in which governments use blockchain technology to further centralise identity governance.

Read the whole thing.

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On the brighter side

NUTELLA RIOTS IN FRANCE. PORTENT OF A NEW DARK AGE? H/T Dan Mitchell.

Dan Mitchell has a look at France and the contrast between Marcon’s plans for deregulation at home and dirigism abroad.

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The major stories of the moment

The big story:

President moves to slap China with $50 billion in tariffs…

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The small story:

ALL EYES ON RAND AS SHUTDOWN LOOMS…
McConnell Sets 1 AM Saturday vote…
Lawmakers Had 1,000 Minutes to Read 2,232-Page, $1.3T Bill…
FUNDS JUST 33 MILES OF BORDER WALL…
Schumer Celebrates: Era of Austerity Coming to End…
Congress Gives Itself A Bonus!
USA added $1 TRILLION in debt in 6 months…

The major story:

STORM WARNING…
CBS SET FOR TRUMP SEX…
LAWYER TEASES BOMBSHELL INTERVIEW…

Which one do you think we will remember twelve months from now?

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Over-reaction much?

Here is Peter Dutton telling the crazy lefties how it is:

Some of the crazy lefties at the ABC, and on The Guardian, HuffingtonPost, can express concern and draw mean cartoons about me and all the rest of it. They don’t realise how completely dead they are to me.

Here is Wendy Harmer on twitter:

Read the thread too.

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Labor could make all super earnings taxable but that would require political honesty

Today in The Australian

After a week of taxation claim and counterclaim, 10 propositions are essentially uncontested.

First, Labor’s elimination of the full reimbursement of imputation credits will replace a system where dividends received by Australian residents are taxed at their personal income tax rates by one in which all dividends are taxed at no less than 30 per cent, even if that rate is well above the rate which would apply to any other taxable income that taxpayer might receive.

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Does Australia Need a Donald Trump?

DOES AUSTRALIA NEED A DONALD TRUMP?

With Tom Switzer, Parnell McGuinness, James Morrow and Miranda Devine 

Join us after work for drinks and canapes in Sydney on April 3 as we debate whether Australia needs a disruptive leader like Donald Trump.

He has turned US politics upside-down by mocking the media, provoking critics, cutting bureaucracies, setting ambitious targets and pursuing them with the unpredictability of a world-class negotiator. By doing so, Donald Trump has revived investment, employment, share prices, consumer confidence and US global power, not to mention grass-roots patriotism.

Australian politicians, meanwhile, are constrained by Canberran conventions. Could we use a maverick? Could a shrewd outsider with a showbiz streak do to Australia what Trump has done for the US? Join us as our two panels – Miranda Devine and James Morrow (for) and Tom Switzer and Parnell McGuinness (against) – imagine the consequences.

DATE: Tuesday, 3 April 2018, 6pm-8pm

VENUE: Hudson House, Level 15, 131 Macquarie Street, Sydney

COST: $30 pp/ $15 members. Click here to book

ENQUIRIES: Please contact James Mathias at [email protected] or (02) 6273 5608.

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Another day, another tax

The Fairfax media are reporting that a $5 tax will be applied to parcels entering Australia.

A discussion paper obtained by Fairfax Media shows department is considering ways to balance the bio-security budget, which is under pressure by the explosion in small parcels entering Australia from overseas retailers. Some 38.7 million parcels worth under $1000 each were imported to Australia last financial year – a 22 per cent increase on the previous 12 months.

Just a couple of quick thoughts:

  1. Australians already pay for security via their income tax.
  2. Overseas sales less than $1000 will be taxed after July by the GST.
  3. This is an additional protectionist measure for poor retail experiences in Australia.
  4. The whole purpose of Border Force was to drive efficiencies and save money.
  5. I don’t believe for one second that every single parcel coming into Australia is scanned.
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Sydney University – Youz allz R Suckas

The University of Sydney is one of Australia’s oldest universities.  It may actually be the oldest.  And within its sandstone walls is housed the Sydney Environment Institute:

Born as an Environmental Humanities and Social Science Network, we have become much more.

The Co-directors of this institute are professors from the Department of History and the Department of Government and International Relations.  Those expert qualifications in history and government are essential for environmental and economic pontification.

The University of Sydney also houses something called Sydney Ideas and together (Sydney Ideas and Sydney Environment Institute) are holding an event in ….. Sydney ….. in June 2018.  The subject of this event:

Why we need to think about inequality and climate change.

The following is a verbatim cut and paste of the description of this event.  The emphases belong to Spartacus.

Climate change has the potential to significantly accelerate inequality. Low income and precariously employed Australians tend to live and work in areas more susceptible to temperature extremes, and in buildings less able to withstand them. They are less able to afford the cost of energy required for airconditioning, have less access to public green space, shaded recreation areas, pools and schools with facilities for learning in extreme weather. At the same time, rising inequality in Australia is making it harder to tackle climate change. Elites in highly unequal societies pollute more, waste more water, emit more carbon dioxide, and produce and consume more products that are designed not to last. Highly unequal societies are less democratically responsive, and are more likely to accept climate change ‘solutions’ that are premised on the privatisation of ‘liveable space’. This panel will bring together speakers who make the case for the necessity of seeing climate change and inequality as entwined challenges.

These are the people who are educating our children and these are the people who are extracting salaries from tax payers.  Read it and weep.  Read it and weep.

The sad reality is that climate change and inequality are entwined challenges.  Climate change policies perpetuated by academic and inner city elites are the driving inequality they criticise.

But before Spartacus runs to the bathroom to vomit, please read again the following statement that comes from the tax paid academics at an inner city university.  You know, the elites:

Elites in highly unequal societies pollute more, waste more water, emit more carbon dioxide, and produce and consume more products that are designed not to last

It’s a good thing that the University of Sydney is only a brief walk from the ABC’s Ultimo head office.  After all, the Sydney Environment Institute seeks to:

build flourishing working communities – among academics, policymakers, cultural institutions, practicing artists, students, NGOs, and committed citizens.

  • Business and private sector people – not invited.
  • Lifters – not invited.
  • Scientists – not invited.
  • Economists – not invited.

Breathtaking.

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