I have but one thing to say.
Liars and Cowards!
He pulled the page. Now that’s standin by your position!

It seems Mr Sutherland is all mouth and no trousers, just another racist coward, who needs to get his facts right. Shame on you Mr Sutherland.

‘Mr Sutherland’ is in fact Andrew Sanders, one of the chappies busted with petrol bomb material in Brighton-le-Sands.

Andrew’s father, Steve Sanders, died in 2003. Andrew appears to have fallen prey to the stereotypical suite of personality problems common to a large percentage of those who join up with nazis and other white supremacists- mainly a lack of a strong father figure in the home and little sense of belonging to a group, like one’s family.

All one need do to gain the approval of the hatemongers is to profess to hate the same people they do. The hatemongers don’t care what one’s deficiencies are- they will fill their bereft prey with all manner of supports in exchange for victimising racial targets. It’s absolutely predatory behaviour.

However, I have no sympathy for one who would victimise others to make themselves feel whole, whether that is a nazi or his emotionally damaged recruit.

It may be the skeptical media eye from an undergrad in journalism, but isn’t it also possible that Mr Sutherland was too extreme for the group and posted things they disagreed with and therefore removed it and gave him the boot?

Or is it just easier to point fingers at everyone and scream ‘fascist’ just as we faced with the communist witch hunt twenty years ago?

Joe, if you read the post you just commented, you would have enough information to answer that rather rhetorical query yourself.

‘Sutherland’ is Sanders and Sanders registered the website. It’s his- and so were the plans to burn and bash brown people.

I realise you only came here to troll, so a sensible answer probably isn’t what you wanted, but there it is.

I’m just wondering something. The article by Sutherland says that some of the members of fightback are of middle eastern origin. Why, then, are we calling them nazis and racists? I’m just wondering where it says specifically that these guys are nazis.
Granted they are taking some sort of action in Cronulla but I can’t find evidence that they are white-supremacist, especially considering the multi-culturalism of its membership?

Ak, it’s because they* are LYING. The person who claims to be of ‘half leb’ origin- isn’t.

*meaning fightback.org.au & the parties responisble for it.

ok. and I suppose that’s the same for the apparent ‘distribution of the Anarchist Cookbook’?

keep in mind i’m not trolling, I just want to cover some of the claims so I understand

I neither have any independent knowledge of Sanders’ distribution of the Anarchist’s Cookbook nor do I find it terribly significant- other than the fact that the AC goes into some depth detailing some incredibly dangerous nonsense. If you apprehend a guy with 25 litres of petrol and materials to make molotov cocktails though, as Sanders was, you might reckon he’s given the AC a good read.

I do have independent knowlege of the fellow who is claiming to be ‘half-leb, half-greek’ and am familiar with his membership in the White Pride Coalition of Australia.

What’s your point?

My point was, there has to be solid evidence determining whether they are white-supremacist or not. If not, where does the accusation come from? The actual words of the site cannot be said to be white supremacist. However, if you have information that does determine it, show it. ‘Independant knowledge’ is a good thing, but ‘they’re nazis because I said so’ is not convincing. Notably, ‘they’re not nazis’ is also not convincing. I’m just looking for facts.
My point is that I want to see evidence so I can agree with you. I’m not arguing in favour or defense of them, I’m an anarchist, I just want to be sure of what you’re saying.

Aketus, do you think that Sanders & his mates being apprehended with materials to make molotov cocktails ALONG WITH white supremacist literature (believed to be from the White Pride Coalition of Australia) is enough to call them violent nazis?

How about records of the guy who says he is ‘half-leb, half-Greek’ posting on the WPCA forum (before FightDemBack killed it)?

Plenty for me.

I’m interested in the WPCA guy. Do you know his alias on the WPCA forum? Incidentally, has it been killed? I was just trying to find some information and found the WPCA forum here: is it dead?

If he really is/was a member of WPCA then I’m convinced.

If you have any more info, I’d be interested, drop me a line at aketus(at)gmail(dot)com and I can explain why

Cheers

I’m referring to one Robert Roach of Forrestville, NSW. He used the nickname “Freak” on the WPCA forum.

Yes- the WPCA forum is a dead dog. The operators of WPCA, Terry Davis (nickname ‘Cyrus Samhain’) and Peter Campbell (‘Kromlek of Asgard’) pulled it offline when it got a little too hot for their liking.

[…] Weezil has written two very interesting articles on Fightback.org, the website Andrew Sanders authored. […]

i think its rediculous people call these people nazis, they are purely defending there culture. and i think if the ethnic youth have a culture of violence and abuse agaisnt wemon WHICH THEY DO and people just need to admit it other wise they wont solve it, and thus the people demanding action agaisnt them are justafied.

i have friends who have been beated up just because they stood up and said they were australian when some turkish gangsters asked if there were any skips on a train. its outragious, racial violence agaist people..in there own country!? we have a need to defend ourselves because obviously the police arnt aware of the violence of modern ethnic youth.

but in saying that i dont mean all ethnic youth has this problem, but it is a majority. i have greek and italian friends who say cronulla was justafiable because even they see that these gangster idiots are embarrising them, Australia needs action to show that this behaviour is not tolerated.

i say even if 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants show blantant disrespect to the nationlistic ways of australia and insult our way and out right just say they dont like Australia should be deported.

if they hate us so much, go “home!”

Inkboyjosh, were your… err… nameless friends accosted by the infamous Westside Turks?

Do you think aboriginals should go “home” too?

Nationalists are dinosaurs whose own IQ will sort them right out. You’re living proof- for the time being. Remember, never cross against the light… and hope you can remember your colours.

no my friends arnt “westside turks”.

and no i dont think aboriginals should go home. dont put words into my mouth iam not being racist iam meerly saying there IS a problem with ethnic (not aboriginal) youth in australia and this assosiation with nazis that people lable any who blantantly express a opinion with out fear of political correctness get. (i find this really fun when italians call people nazis, they seem to forget that they themselves where infact real nazi)

i just think migrants should show some more respect to our culture and our laws.

and please dont call me dumb thats jsut childish, i presume you only read the last line of my comment and presumed i was just saying “go home” to every one who isnt white, well your wrong, i said if they dont like us they should go home, we shouldnt have to accomidate for there criminal behaviour or change our culture so they can sexual harrass wemon, quite frankly they should ether intirely isolate them selves or return to their country so they cant interfear with mine.

Josh- Let’s put this to rest; the vast majority of people who want to justify a racist comment (like yours) say shit like ‘my friend was beaten/robbed/abused by (name any ethnic group).

I’m a migrant to Australia; which laws do you think I really ought to be paying attention to? Racial vilification laws, perhaps?

You can piss off now, moron.

your right weez, I’m a racist moron. I’ll go away now and never come back.

That’s the old spirit, mate.

Andrew Scott Gianni Sanders is actually of italian decent. His grandparents are known as Nona and Nono. I can’t remember the amount of times I heard Andrew and his English born father Steve talking about how shit this country was and how much they wanted to go back to what they called HOME!His mother’s family migrated to Australia in the 50s from the south of Italy and lived in a migrant camp, in Parkes NSW. Not bad for someone that hates everyone that isn’t white.

curious, Renai.

It’s interesting to note that after the storm in a tea-cup of media exposure and three years of silence on the subject that no one in the media, nor the multiple witch-hunting hobbyist sites, have cared to appreciate that the only source of negative information on this matter was … oh, let’s see, Iemma’s storm-troopers leaking misinformation to the press.

No evidence was ever submitted that I was a white-supremacist, or a neo-nazi, or anything of the sort; because no evidence exists.

To answer a few questions–which given the shameless and baseless vilification I’ve copped I really shouldn’t be arsed to do–fightback.org.au was a website registered by a group of socialist university students who thought social action through peaceful protest against gang violence was the answer. Needless to say, any such action attracts muppets, who were dropped on their arse for their actions and sent packing. The organisation was thoroughly multi-racial, and not just as cited here with one ‘half-leb’ as it was so eloquently put.

It’s recurrently cited that I was in possession of 25 litres of petrol and ‘bomb making equipment.’ Our wonderful boys in blue were refering to a 20 litre jerry can affixed in the boot of the vehicle, which is not in any way unusual. They came to the conclusion it was for nefarious use because also in the boot was a backpack, in this backpack was a first aid kit. Within that first aid kit were latex gloves. The police did allude to this in various ‘leaks’ to the media. However it still puzzles me to this day how no one had the common sense to remember back to .. ooh, year 7 science and appreciate what petrol does to latex.

Uh, for those who seemed to have skipped that, the petrol would pour straight through the membrane, dissolving it. Gloves are clearly not what are used to create molotov cocktails, they are clearly for placing over one’s head and inflating through the nose as party gags, or .. gasp, perhaps for use in first aid. But that’s just a factual matter, and let’s face it facts are irrelivant in this era of terrorism! And I’m sure there are people sitting here thinking “OMG BUT WHY DO YOU NEED A BACKPACK? OR A FIRST AID KIT? OR LATEX GLOVES?!?! CLEARLY YOU MUST BE A NAZI!” I am involved in many outdoors activities, or what some would call ‘extreme sports,’ and my vehicle more often than not has abseiling gear, safety gear, hiking gear and actually I do believe there were two wet suits and some scuba gear in the boot. Perhaps I was going to attempt sea-born fire bomb invasions of Cronulla via Brighton? Gasp! Yeah .. no.

Three years, defamation, vilification, the fash and their fishing expeditions and dozens of charges added, removed, replaced, swapped, I stand here free and unconvicted after an all-grounds appeal. The last of the charges placed against me were in relation to an expired firearms license, which according to the face was not expired, however according to the firearms registry was. Disposal of the target pistol in question was sought, the police wouldn’t take it into custody, nor would a firearms shop, thus I was advised to keep it safe (1) and reapply and they would hasten the application proceedure. I did everything possible on my side, they dragged their feet and used it as an excuse to eventually charge me.

The other weapons of mass destruction retrieved from my property after our jackbooted states finest trashed the place amounted to smoke flares and and old non-functional can of mace owned by someone who lives at the property from a state other than NSW (note: I believe it’s only NSW where women cannot carry a can of pepperspray in their purse for their own protection at present.) Interestingly though, if so many WMD’s were in my abode, and I was truly on the streets of Sydney being a public menace, why was the only ‘weapon’ recovered from my vehicle a utility knife in a pocket on a kit belt with my abseiling gear? Alas, merely just another fact, we should push those aside and instead just run with the assumption of guilt until proven innocent, because after all, that’s not fascist.

What amuses me the most is, at the time we had a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and a media culpable of irrational fear mongering and yet some of the folks here, and on other such sites, had the audacity or perhaps the ignorants to assume -I- was the fascist. The police state we live in where people live their lives in terror of their neighbours closet-terrorism/nazism/communism/paganism/homosexuality(ism?)/etc ad neuseumism, fuelled by media witch hunting and backed by coffee house intellectuals has induced a society of fear mongering where very few people have the common sense or decency to stop, take a step back, and be critical or objective.

Thank you, however, to the few posters on this board and others who had taken the time to do that and question the facts of this matter. Because under even slight skepticism, scrutiny, or investigation, the allegations amounted to a puff.

The state wanted blood. I was the sacrificial lamb. Yet, thankfully, wisdom and justice prevailed.

(1) – Firearm storage requirements under state legislation are vastly superior to the storage requirements of the police, or even our military. The requirement that firearms are kept in a safe of specific dimensions and stregth (which locksmiths cannot even break into should you lose the key, in fact SHOULD you lose the key it is highly unlikely you will be able to access the safe without inadvertantly destroying it’s contents also) whilst also meeting guidelines of certain burglar alarm, window break and door reed requirements and the requisite CCTV coverage of the property were all met at the time of the fishing expedition.

Mr Sanders, you published (yes, you published- remember the BRITFEST ABN you used to register the .org.au domain name?) a list of gear to take to a race riot- and then the cops find the VERY gear you describe… in your car, right down to CB radios on channel 20.

DONT BASH PEOPLE WHO LOOK �WOG� / �LEB� ON THAT ALONE!

No, we sure wouldn’t want to bash them just on their LOOKS!

Sanders, you had a reasonably good attorney, a shitty prosecutor, lazy arresting officers- and the luck of Riley. I don’t think you get luck like that twice in this lifetime. Enjoy your uni career- and keep your nose clean.

I register a website, therefore I am every person who publishes on that website? I have a CB radio built into my car, ergo I must be a neo-nazi terrorist?

So let me understand this properly. I was tried, found innocent, my lawyer barely said a word and the judge massacred the prosecutions storm in a teacup case, and yet .. my trial by jury is of course the one you’ll run with? Ahuh. Non sequitur.

You register and set up a personal website- yes, I would expect you to have sole control of it. You are NOT Blogger.

I was born at night- but it sure as hell wasn’t LAST night.

Don’t you think if it was a personal website that after a certain knob jockey posted crap on there that I’d have copped flack for hate speech? Or that the rest of the folks who had access / posted on there would have too? Given that EVERYTHING to do with that site was reviewed under subpoena by the DPP and the courts and I was never charged with ANYTHING racial or hate driven, I have a strong feeling that what I stated above still stands as the irrefutable truth.

Keep in mind that the police and DPP will only meet their budget requirements on an ‘on conviction’ basis, combined with the Daily Terrorgraph’s neccessity to fire up the ultra-conservatives demanding blood rather than justice, I can say without any doubt that this matter has been thoroughly hashed out and I was charged with EVERYTHING they could possibly charge me with.

If the state stormtroopers took to your house–think hard and honestly here–and seized all your computers, et cetera, and literally ransacked the place trying desperately to find something to charge you with; would you have the same outcome? Oddly, over the past three years of discussing this situation with many people, very few could safely say yes.

What intrigues me is the social implications of this thread, our discussion, your reaction. It is amazing that there are people within our society who overtly state they hate fascism and the use of force to make people conform to the will of a segment of society, yet then turn to private citizens (whether rationally based in some cases, or purely based on media spin) to find their targets of whom to accuse of biggotry or fascism, the whole while sitting blind to the events and effects of the state and the ultra-conservative portion of the media, whom carry out acts that in even the United States would be considered to have been in breach of various laws.

The fact of the matter is, after all that has played out, I feel completely at peace with the decision of the court. No, not because “I got off,” because they investigated the matter with a fine tooth come and found all the allegations raised to be baseless.

The Cronulla issue, in my opinion, was merely a facilitator for the government to get the Patriot Act II equiv. legislation passed, with abilities to ‘lock down’ areas, seize electronic devices off people and hold them without warrant, et cetera. From the commencement, I had wished I had taken a more active role in communication with the media simply on the grounds that I saw first hand the spin machine at work and the only victim from that entire fiasco was the civil liberties of all Australian citizens. However truth be told, had I even dared to make comment at that point it would have yielded some horrific misquote that would have fuelled the DPP to try and apply charge for any sporks, lighter fluid, deoderant can, or coffee mug I may have owned in some farcical trumped up delusional charge which only makes sense when the mind is that obscured with the illogical need for a sacrifice to appease the masses.

Alas, I could discuss this until the cows come home and then some. If this subject does interest you however, I’d be more than happy to discuss it further; however I can’t exactly keep checking back here all that often so forgive the tardiness of my replies. In the meantime, you have my email address.

Mr Sanders, if I recall correctly, your ‘how to throw a race riot’ website came to the attention of myself & FDB as a result of your postings on neo-nazi website Stormfront under your then nickname “blue8eyed8devil,” n’est-ce pas? The 8s wouldn’t happen to stand for the 8th letter of the alphabet, H, eg 88 = HH = Heil Hitler?

Don’t even THINK about playing angelic with me, son.

Now, so it happens, it’s been three years hence- many memories have faded, including mine. Were I you, I’d be using that to your advantage- but your ego, the very same ego that has kept you periodically coming back to this website and searching it for your own name (yes, WordPress records minutiae like that) apparently won’t let you.

I have absolutely no intention of going to the trouble of writing & researching you only to converse with you about it. It’s only fair that I go back over my notes and publish some new stuff about you and fightback.org.au… and make sure it’s accurate… and very complete.

I promise it will soothe your chafed, indignant ego- I’ll be sure to use a “fine tooth come.”

Stay tuned. 😉

Firstly, I’ve never used a website that to my knowledge was neo-nazi, overtly or otherwise. Unless you question the racial bias of a few certain not-to-be-named socialist groups out there I may have commented on the forums of. I condone and encourage peaceful action only, and have participated in some way in many political protests over the years, but this is of no relevance.

As for ‘ego,’ I don’t see how ego comes into play when merely searching the internet just to examine how badly one’s name has been dragged through the mud and suffered defamation and libel, that is clearly not the truth, which is the only reason I felt the need to address the issue with you personally.

I had hoped that over time you would have come to the conclusion that much of what you had written previously was overt defamation of sorts, but you seem to be stuck in the complexities of the fact that a static HTTPD can be maintained and accessed by anyone who is given a login and password. Thus, given that my name was the registrant, I am solely liable for whatever is written on that site. I figured the defamatory material would, through natural attrition, come to pass.

Well, it appears my attempt to communicate rationally has proven pointless, so enjoy your ‘fine tooth come’ [sic] and try not to let your irrational hatred blind you. I aknowledge the threat of further defamation, and will most definitely stay tuned. 🙂

Hey- feel free to sue me at your leisure! 😆 Seriously, come and get me!

There won’t be any material removed from mgk- if I pulled stuff down every time some bonehead threatened me with a lawsuit, there’d be nothing here. Lawyer up and fire at will.

Considering the kkkrap you put on Stormfart (do you still support the idea of taking over Tasmania for the white race?)

(formerly here)

blue8eyed8devil:
The only solution is to inhabit someplace small and logistically sound (like Tasmania), begin swinging votes by making circumcision illegal (bam, there goes the jewish population), which isn’t a hard thing as most parents and doctors refuse to do it anymore as mutilating one’s children serves no purpose. It’s 2005, we can all wash our genitals quite well now.

…it’s REAL hard for you to claim you’ve never used a racist website… 😆

The ‘fine tooth come’ error was yours. 😀

Writs at dawn- or STFU. I hope you can afford your court costs- and mine.

Hmm. Andrew, the best part is, if you want to get legal, you have to put yourself in the court again, which is fantastic, because we get to prove in court using expert witnesses from both the press and the police (both of whom have perused these documents on your site) that you really are guilty of what we claim you are.

Remember son, you got found not guilty (Not “innocent”, subtle difference) of something completely different, and we can prove this to the standards of a civil case.

To quote a great one, “Go ahead. Make our day”. Hope you got deep pockets!

You know, if you swapped ‘racist’ for ‘terrorist’ in the above thread, I’m pretty sure you guys would have been hired in little Johnny’s regime as head propagandists for his hate machine. Seriously, valium, and lots of it. 🙂

Sanders, your comments will no longer be published on mgk. I’m under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to give you a platform, but did so anyway. My kindness expired with your threat to sue. I’m not feeling generous anymore.

I’m now waiting on your defamation writ. 😆 So are Hildebrand & News Ltd. Bring it on. I’m certainly not going to be chugging Jack Daniels while I’m waiting, though.

As a matter of some quite coincidental fact, I’d been getting a bit bored with blogging- note the long gaps between posts in the last several months- and actually was planning to close this thing down- before you popped in, anyway.

Thanks to you, I’ve now got a whole new reason to keep running mgk. Check the domain name registration record- I just reserved machinegunkeyboard.com for another year.

It sure isn’t your cleverness nor massive intelligence that got you in this mess (nor out of it). If you’re going to put up a ‘how to throw a race riot’ website, the very least you could have done is covered your tracks- instead, you left a trail of breadcrumbs straight to your door. Ponderous. Absolutely ponderous.

FDB have infiltrated every racist group in Australia and thus had a pretty good idea of who you are- and who you’re not. No- we didn’t (and still don’t) actually think you’re a hardcore nazi- more like ‘nazi lite;’ a weak, ordinary dumbass racist, but one who had stepped over the line to incitement of violence against certain ethnic persons.

Back in 2005, we asked the real hardcore nazis about you. Most didn’t know of you mob, except the White Pride Coalition of Australia (now defunct thanks to FDB), whom we know had contact with Roach through his use of their (also now defunct thanks to FDB) discussion forum. Daevid Palmer, self-styled ‘fuehrer’ of the ‘Australian National Socialist Defence of Aryan People Movement (NSDAP)’ and ‘Imperial Wizard of the Invisible Australian Empire of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan’ said of you lot- and I quote- “dilettantes.”

Andrew Sanders- alone– is the cause of Andrew Sanders’ problems. When you work that one out, your life will be much happier.

So Andrew Scott Sanders, how long have you been the president of “The Law Society of The University of Western Sydney”? Probably since about 7 September 2007, per this domain name record:

Domain Name lawsociety.org.au
Last Modified 07-Sep-2007 12:32:35 UTC
Registrar ID Melbourne IT
Registrar Name Melbourne IT
Status ok
Registrant The Law Society
Eligibility Type Non-profit Organisation
Registrant ROID C5397680-AR
Registrant Contact Name Andrew Scott
Registrant Email 13770785@scholar.uws.edu.au
Tech ROID C5397680-AR
Tech Name Andrew Scott
Tech Email 13770785@scholar.uws.edu.au
Name Server ns3.zoneedit.com
Name Server ns9.zoneedit.com

13770785@scholar.uws.edu.au is remarkably similar to your UWS email address, Andrew.

Putting up a website, inventing a Law Society and naming yourself the president of it DOES NOT qualify you as a barrister… nor to make legal threats whilst pretending to be a lawyer… but it might just disqualify you from ever being admitted to the bar.

Got to have a non-profit org ABN to get the .org.au TLD, as you found when registering fightback.org.au. So, what non-profit’s ABN did you use to register lawsociety.org.au with Melbourne I/T?

Sweet jesus, you’re dumb, Sanders.

Like a floater turd that just won’t stay flushed, Herr Sanders is back… as Herr Kellerman.

Face it, Andrew, you’re just not the smartest guy in the room.

seems to go under the name of Val on http://www.ASYD.org with protests against Scientology. When will it ever cease

Rachel, it’s just flabbergasting to me how hard this joker chases importance and gravitas, failing all the while to understand that the way you get respect is to earn it, not scam your way into it.