India - A Lot Of Pain For No Gain

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Submitted by Jayant Bhandari via Acting-Man.com,

India’s Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, announced on 8th November 2016 that Rs 500 (~$7.50) and Rs 1,000 (~$15) banknotes would no longer be legal tender. Linked are Part-I, Part-II, Part-III, Part-IV, Part-V, Part-VI and Part-VII, which provide updates on the demonetization saga and how Modi is acting as a catalyst to hasten the rapid degradation of India and what remains of its institutions.

India’s Pride and Joy

 

Indians are celebrating that their economy has surpassed that of India’s former colonial master, the UK.

 

So-called educated Indians have latched on to the above visual, with full support of the Indian government. It has been shared far and wide in the national media. When you remind them that India’s population is twenty-one times that of the UK and on top of that, the British pound has taken a huge pounding because of Brexit and associated fear in the financial markets, expect to be ignored. You will be seen as anti-Indian.

Given the underlying irrationality and tribalism of India (read earlier updates for more on this), selected numbers are used to rationalize feelings and emotions. You see this everywhere in India: Science — very ironically — is used as a tool to rationalize superstitions and irrationalities.

Who needs reality when we can exist in illusions? But even this illusion - that India has superseded the UK - might disappear once the reality of India’s demonetization sinks in and the rupee falls, which it likely will once the international media recognize that Modi went for demonetization not to reduce corruption, but to transform India into a police state.

Modi’s interest was to increase tax collection, for the sake of tax collection, an approach in which rulers start to see themselves as all that matters, where citizens come to be seen as mere cogs in the service of the state.

In Modi’s imagination, if you are not a part of the formal economy — as is the case with the vast majority of desperately poor Indians, perhaps close to a billion people — you don’t count. As they are not recorded as part of the formal economy, their pain and suffering does not count either. Indeed most of their suffering and pain goes unseen and unheard — it has for the last two millennia.

The Indian stock market continues to fall, despite the fact that people know that selling their shares makes no sense, as their cash in the bank is effectively frozen. Could the stock market fall even more if bank accounts were to be unfrozen? Could the Indian rupee then fall as well, unless serious capital controls are instituted and gold-buying is restricted?

It is hard to predict the future, but those owning Indian assets from which money can still be repatriated will likely soon start to discover that India’s stock market and the rupee are possibly overvalued. Could an exodus start once money managers in New York and London start arriving at their desks at the start of the new year, after sobriety kicks in with the end of socialization and partying?

Scuffles have broken out between desperate clients and bank staff. Historically, it is commanders, kings and politicians who get all the blame. But these rulers and elites sitting in their ivory towers would never get their way if those on the front lines refused to obey unethical orders. Banks are required to provide cash to their clients when asked to do so. Their staff should have declined to accept Modi’s instructions to ration cash distribution. They should have stepped aside and let Modi deal with their clients, passing the responsibility where it belongs. Having not done that, they have become the face of Modi, or at least the face clients will take their anger out on. Banks employees are now starting to worry.

 

The Last Gasps of Disintegrating Institutions

These updates are not just about demonetization. They are an attempt to dissect the deeper, underlying cultural issues of India (and similar backward countries in South Asia, Middle East, Africa and South America) and why with the disappearance of the last vestiges of colonial institutions, India is starting to crumble. They are also an attempt to see what future might hold.

These updates are a story of why without the British to run them, western institutions implanted on India did not work and have mutated into something horrible. For example, education has become a tool for propaganda.

Nationalism without underlying values, is perceived by Indians as a mere geographical concept — and with indoctrination in schools it is rapidly weaving Indians into a dogmatic collective no different than those found in the Middle East.  In a decade or so, India might become the Middle East on steroids.

Given its culture, which probably cannot change for centuries or perhaps millennia, India must ideally get heavily decentralized. India’s tribalism is entrenched and unchangeable, which is creating massive pressures to devolve India into its natural constituents, namely tribes. This will happen. The earlier the underlying forces are recognized, the less painful the process will become.

But as last gasps, there is a massively increased tendency toward intensifying centralization, toward instituting a police state.  Increased militarization and equipment purchases,  centralization of taxes, and now demonetization — all failing — are those last gasps.

Bulandshahr, Uttar Pradesh: a cop fires in the air to “calm down” agitated women outside a bank How long can they hope to control the situation if people are not getting the money that belongs to them?

 

A Life of Queuing: Pain for no Gain

While people in the rich world are in the cozy comforts of their homes, celebrating Christmas and the arrival of the New Year, Indians are lining up outside banks in utter cold to take out their own savings. Most are numb to why they are doing this. To a rational foreign bystander, their lack of revulsion has a certain spiritual element.

Indians have almost no history of revolting against oppression — they simply adjust to new situations. With respect to the demonetization policy, they have sheepishly accepted their predicament. As we discussed in earlier updates, this is a result of Indians’ utter lack of rationality, their failure to see what is wrong, their fatalism, the absence of revulsion against oppression, and their lack of moral instincts.

The caste system finds its roots here, where might-is-right is the governing principle, with both oppressor and oppressed failing to see anything wrong with their situations. The oppressor feels no empathy and the oppressed feels no revulsion. At best — given the lack of reason — the oppressed strives to become the oppressor.

Giving in to their predicament, many want to believe that they are queuing for some greater cause — akin to how the freshly decked out soldier feels on his way to battle — fooling themselves that this battle is needed. Of course there is no real higher cause they are worried about.

This facade of moral superiority is merely a cover for their boring and unfulfilling lives, and perhaps an unconscious expectation to get something for nothing — since Modi has offered them a windfall once the unaccounted money has been deposited. In the face of reality, however, the initial euphoria is fading.

Over the last 70 years since the British left, India’s entrenched interests, sociopaths and rulers have kept over a billion people — without any exaggeration— in an insect-like existence. This likely has been one of the biggest crimes against humanity, but has gone unnoticed and unseen. Demonetization once again has created massive suffering, most of which will never be documented.

The failure to sell at prices exceeding transportation cost is forcing farmers to dump their produce. Food prices have fallen as a cascading result of the cash crunch. Farmers are suffering hugely and one must ask what poor people are eating. This is a man-made disaster. Members of India’s middle class, lacking empathy, are happy that their food expenses are down 25% to 50%. They are however failing to consider that this temporary boon will constrict supplies in the future and eventually push prices much higher.

 

What did Modi Want from Demonetization?

As the deadline of 31st December 2016 to deposit all banned notes draws to a close, it is worth assessing what Modi really wanted, what he said he wanted, and what we should expect going forward.

Modi was after nothing else but to shock and awe  society, to inculcate fear in people and to centralize control, something not too dissimilar to what Stalin or Mao did in their countries. He wanted to humiliate Indians.

He wanted them to commit their spirit to the service of the great nation-state, which in the imagination of Modi is represented by him. He wanted society to do a ritualistic dance and to celebrate his glory and conduct a self-cleansing exercise, through these never-ending queues.

Suffering from a massive identity crisis, non-resident Indians (NRIs) have found an emotional crutch in Modi. Not having to face any immediate problems themselves and incapable to understand the future consequences — for at the foundations irrationality rules undisturbed in them — so-called educated middle class members have euphorically approved of Modi’s demonetization.

Moreover, they are happy, as they despise small businessmen and  lower caste people, who are getting hurt the most from the initial stage of demonetization.  With Modi starting to be increasingly seen as joker in the international media, the emotional crutch of NRIs will soon disappear.

The time for India’s middle class will come, as the second-order and higher-order effects of the policy reveal themselves, but by then there will be no one to save the Indian middle class. Who said that a massive social engineering exercise like demonetization will not any have higher-order effects?

Anyone with the slightest understanding of philosophy and universal principles knows that a massive increase in corruption is written all over what Modi has done. Rhetorically, Modi wanted to end corruption, stamp out counterfeit currency and the financing of terrorism.  Let us consider each of these.

No unusual counterfeit money was found in the process of demonetization, absolving Pakistan from the charge of having counterfeited Indian currency. Most of the banned notes have already been deposited in banks, despite desperate attempts by Modi to stall the process of depositing.

What has indeed become a massive problem is that the new notes are extremely vulnerable to being counterfeited. There are too many parts of this developing story of demonetization, but the ease with which the new notes can be counterfeited —and their many other flaws — by itself may be a major blow to the future of India’s monetary system. What if people start to refuse to accept the new notes?

This is one of the many problems with the new notes. Some are badly printed; some have ink that gets smeared. They have been extremely easy to counterfeit. If the government of 1.34 billion people, in this large-scale social engineering project cannot even design two new notes properly, on which the possibility of any stabilization of the money system rests, one can easily imagine how utterly and thoroughly incompetent India’s government is. Of course one probably has to spend some time in India to really understand the depth of this incompetence. It pays to remind ourselves that India is a single country only because the British left it that way. It is otherwise unmanageable and incapable of being controlled as a single unit. It is on its way to eventual disintegration. Modi will have hastened that trip.

Agitation in Kashmir and issues at the border with Pakistan have continued unabated. With Indians increasingly nationalistic, there is enormous popular support to continue and increase the oppression of Kashmir. The North Eastern provinces, which have historically been very unstable, have in recent weeks been very volatile.

Even if demonetization were able to control the so-called terrorism in these areas in the short-term, the problem would be back within months. India needs to solve the discontent that exists in so many of its regions and stop rampant abuses — fake encounter killings, rapes and systematic imposition of fear — conducted by its armed forces. This leaves ending corruption as the only issue.

 

One billion Indians with no internet are expected to use e-transactions. How did Modi come to think this was possible? Even a lot of educated people have never used an ATM. And you must pay about 2% in transaction fees and service taxes for using e-transactions. A primary school student can explain that this does not add up.

Photo credit: Reinhard Krause / Reuters

 

Corruption in India

As soon as one lands at the airport in Delhi, Mumbai or Chennai, one is hit with a wave of corruption, and sheer chaos.  Often the custom-immigration forms are not there. Someone who acts very authoritative then rations those out. The line-ups to the immigration counter are hazy. No one really knows where one should go.

When you go to the baggage carousel, someone from customs comes over and offers to help you leave the airport unexamined, for a fat bribe. If you have something to declare, good luck, for the customs officer will know nothing about how to put a value on what you have, despite this being the only thing he does. You will waste your time and end up negotiating with them. You will be in a dark alley with no support.

When I arrived in Chennai a couple of years back with my suitcase missing, I had no choice but to go to customs to get the paperwork signed. I was asked to pay a massive custom duty on my unaccompanied bag. When they realized I wasn’t going to pay a bribe, they let me go.

Once you are out of the customs area, you encounter scammers of all sorts, all working hand in glove with the airport authorities. You must know which taxi counter to go to, or you risk paying a fortune.

A European friend who arrived in Delhi last week gave me a call from the airport. She could not find a working ATM. The banks did not convert her money at the airport. She ended up going out hunting with touts to get her money converted, a whole new dimension of corruption and abuses that Modi has inflicted on people.

A lot of girls eventually get sexually assaulted in India anyway, now even more after the demonetization.  At most airports in India, you find to your surprise that you end up paying parking charges even if you never parked. The bribes are distributed from top to bottom, from the head guy of the airport to the lowest policeman in the hierarchy.

If you want a passport, you pay a bribe. If you want a driving license, you pay a bribe. If you want water or electricity coming to your house, you pay a bribe. If you go to the police or the court, you must pay a bribe.

My poor friends keep reminding me that I always talk about corruption that rich people — the top 2% of the population — face. They tell me I have no clue how much worse life gets once you start looking at distant rural places. Girls tell me the same. And I confess they are correct.  In all these cases, apart from bribes, one must face the sadism of the police and bureaucrats.

 

Instant street justice dispensed by policemen. Might is right is what rules in India, not the rule of law.

 

Bribes are an essential part of India. Everyone gives and takes bribes. Everyone I know would gladly give a bribe to gain an unfair advantage over others.

 

The circus continues. While India queues up in front of the banks, Modi has  inaugurated construction of a $500 million statue, to support Hindutava, a religious national identity. This wretched country, containing the highest number of the world’s poorest, most stunted and malnourished, must face such wastage.

Image credit: Chhatrapati Shivaji

 

What Should We Expect Going Forward?

Modi’s recent policies have significantly increased all-around corruption, which we have discussed in earlier updates.  The Mafia has grown by leaps and bounds and tax authorities get whatever bribes they are asking for. There has been a horrendous increase in corruption among the banks for conversion of banknotes. Until now corruption did not exist at the retail level in banks.

If Modi really wanted to control corruption, he did not even have to turn his head. Wherever you look corruption stares you into the face. But Modi has actively protected institutionalized corruption. Modi has protected political parties, bureaucrats and politicians from the consequences of the banknote ban and their corrupt activities.

Nothing can control corruption in India except a ruthless decentralization of power in India. Instead, Modi is doing the exact opposite. Indeed, corruption has skyrocketed, particularly the worst one: destruction of whatever spirit still existed among small business and the poorest people.

Let us remind ourselves that Modi’s interest was not to control corruption but to shock and awe society into submission, for his personal glory.  In future updates, we will delve even deeper into why corruption is so entrenched in India and why it can never go away using top-down institutional mechanisms.

Modi has set events into motion that will cripple India’s economy, with devastating effects on its poorest people. Most of the suffering will go unseen and unheard, in remote village and tribes, whose hunger and death is no one’s concern. Modi will be gone sooner rather than later, a result of his own arrogance. The problem is that whoever comes after Modi will probably make me nostalgic about Modi.

 

The textile industry in Ludhiana in Punjab is in severe trouble. There will be many  unpredictable cascading effects on the economy and society.

 

Let us end this update with what one should expect in terms of monetary regulations in the near term.

Modi astutely declared demonetization on 8th November 2016, when the international press was focused on the US elections. He undertook a massive —  and extremely flawed — social engineering exercise of no use to society. He did manage to escape scrutiny by the mainstream media.

He will do this again, between the start of the New Year and before Trump is installed, very likely at the turn of the year. He has promised that everything will be back to normal on 1st January 2017. Many transactions and hopes are based on the situation soon becoming normal.

Of course there is nothing on the horizon that can normalize the monetary situation for many months. He has so far released about 60 changes in rules over the last 47 days. He will have to continue to patch things up.

Eventually people will no longer be able to do the transactions they are currently doing informally. They will come to realize that their trust has been completely betrayed and their savings have been hugely constrained by Modi’s edicts.

The police state will continue to advance—slowly killing the very hosts it is feeding on.  Will Modi impose capital controls and a ban on gold at the turn of the year? I would not be surprised.

I wish you very prosperous New Year 2017!

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VWAndy's picture

 Every piece of paper was traded to some person for thier efforts. Changing the value of that peice of paper in any way is theft.

Up or down.

Perimetr's picture

Modi is a vassal acting on orders from the banksters.

The primary objective of the Indian currency demonetization was to sharply reduce gold demand in the world’s most important retail market.

For a much better analysis, see http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/the-deep-states-attempt-to-suppres...

VWAndy's picture

 Its not like team fiat has any choice other then full steam ahead.

GreatUncle's picture

Yep onward and over the cliff we go.

Reckon the more fiat they create the greater that cliff is going to be.

RedRaisinHell's picture

Author is a moron who takes a daily dump in the Tube and lives in cardboard shack in Southwark slum. Indias downfall began due to British colonialism and financial pilage by international banksters. Secondly demonetisation is again those same international banksters pulling Modis strings. 

DownWithYogaPants's picture

Dear Perimetr

Good link!  One has to think it is a viable explanation.

Yours Truly

Pants

Dugald's picture

 

Now that India has reached the peak of civilisation, and financial superiority....they should go to war with another country.....its called progress...

 

TBT or not TBT's picture

They have been quasi at war with Pakistan most of the time since the partition, and got nukes for that ongoing conflict, as did Pakistan.  

Implied Violins's picture

Actually, the primary objective is probably massive depopulation. But that's a minor quibble.

East Indian's picture

You are right; the NWO has always despised India and Africa. The present demonetization will certainly lead to large scale deaths and starvation. 

However, this depopulation will affect also the Hindi heartland - not just the sparsely (by Indian standards - around 50 - 200 per sq.km / 125 - 500 per sq mile.) populated tribal lands (the picture above of tribal girls huddling is from the central India). 

The urban middle class is simply unable to comprehend the destruction of the farming class (55% of the population), and is rejoicing in the fall in vegetable and grains prices. It is shown as an example of the "success" of demonetization. Frogs in boiling water. 

 

Earlier, the total money M3 was 127 trillion rupees. Of this, physical money M1 was only 27 trillion. But almost 80% (or even more) population was using only this cash. Farmers 99% usie only physical cash. 

Now that physical cash has come down to about 20 trillion [27 - 14 (demonetized) + 6 (new currrency)]. This 80% population is now squeezed into this 20 trillion. Therefore these people will have to pay at least 33% more to get the same qunatity of papers - a deflation of 25%. 

Modi is refusing to release any more new currency, trying to force people into "cashless" economy. This will spectacularly backfire. Because more people will die in this transition. The further peak demands for cash are Jan 15, April 15 and June - July. If sufficient physical cash is not available then the next year's crops will be severely affected. But if sufficient cash is printed, then transition to cashless economy will fail. 

Cleft stick. Thank you, Rothschild, we will not forget your kindness. We discovered karma, after all. 

 

Yog Soggoth's picture

Yes, but are there timely and important investment opportunities for the rest of us? Of course. Countries around the World are dropping zeros from their fiats. They have been telling us this for years.

Zimbabwe | Banknote NewsRupiah, V Dong, Zloty, and a slew of others What you do with those undeserved profits is up to you.
jfb's picture

I read this on  silversdoctors a few weeks ago but it's a Westerner who writes with his own background; I noticed that the author of this artile here (Jayant Bhandari) never brought such an explanation in the previous articles. He prefers to talk about an opportunity for Modi to deprive his political opponents fron financing their campaign in the upcoming election+his incompetence and dictatorial/brutal nature. We (Westerners) tend to find an "explanation" according to our own obsessions and problems (like central bankers) but I doubt that an authoritarian Modi would take direct orders from the West in order to destroy his countrty because he is supposed to be "submissive". It's even probable that the brutal and ackward way it was carried embarassed theWestern elite because if it turns to a disaster at a certain point it will become impossible to hide those things to the average Western public, and it will become much harder to sell the cashless society here.

The Wizard's picture

Outside the barter or an asset monetary system, when two parties carry on a transaction with paper currency they allow a third party in the middle of their transaction to determine the value used in the exchange. The use of central bank debt based private currency is a slick form of theft.

East Indian's picture

and a fourth - the taxman!

JuliaS's picture

As I recall Alexander Bard saying, the foundation of fiat economy is not faith but insanity. When someone hands you a 5-cent worth piece of paper with "100 dollars" written on it, you're supposed to go: "Hooray! I've got 100 bucks!" instead of "I got ripped off, trading 100-worth of my labor for a nearly worthless piece of paper. The economy relies on everyone being equally insane.

VWAndy's picture

  You couldnt have fiat without the government goons.

radbug's picture

What now for the much touted, long awaited, Indian wirtschaftwunder, the white knight to the rescue of the global demand-side?

Cosmicserpent's picture

Modi's days are numbered. He'll be gone in six months. One way or another. Remember that Indians are not above shooting their politicians.

peippe's picture

going full retard.

Davidduke2000's picture

When the two largest populations in the world are having financial problems, the small country will follow very soon, 2017 will be a disaster starting January 21st as soros is planning to make Trump's life miserable.

For Trump to slow down the inevitable Tsunami of bad news, he has to arrest soros and send him to jail without bail as he is a flight risk.

Claim that the ghost 8000 tons of could will be used as collateral for the new gold currency or gold dollar.

GreatUncle's picture

Need do no such thing.

Allow a request from Russia to extradite him for all the unrest he caused years ago.

Jethro's picture

Fuck it, just put a bounty on him and his family, his lieutenants,  and his "business partners".  Problem will get solved and stay solved.

tbd108's picture

The author of this somewhat true diatribe never mentions that the Reserve Bank of India is a branch of the Bank of England and that this latest (and perhaps greatest) mess came about right after Modi left Switzerland with the Rothchild's orders in his pocket. He makes out like the English were doing India a favor during the 150 odd years they raped and looted it and sort of left by creating Pakistan to make sure that the hell the low life maintained while they were there, would continue. Screw you, you Anglophile asshole. Signed, an Irishman who knows all about your type of scum.

Jethro's picture

I say this with the kindest intent;

Go live in India for at least a half year, and then get back to us.  The bullshit you are spouting here, on this topic, is inane.

tbd108's picture

I have lived in India for a total of 2 years. It is true they have their problems, but at least they don't run around the world murdering and looting other countries and claiming they are better than everyone else which makes it somehow OK to be the most murderous and materialistic people on the earth.

Jethro's picture

LOL!  No, they just too busy exploiting their own to bother with other countries at the moment. 

You don't sound jaded enough to have lived in India for any length of time.  Especially the schtick blaming colonial Europe and giving islam a pass....

tbd108's picture

Obviously the Mogul invasion is a major factor in the history of modern India. My best friend's wife has a PHD in Mogul history so I have heard many tales around the kitchen table. However the two groups had different kinds of effects on India. Extremely briefly, the worst thing the Moguls did was spread Islam by the sword with about 10 percent of the people permanently converted. But even this doesn't change day-to-day life. Most Islamic people mind there own business and live peacefully with their neighbors. Of course the British-USA inspired partition (similiar to the British inspired partition of my native Ireland) has caused terrible problems with two nuclear powers now facing each other off. The British did everything they could to destroy Indian culture while they looted the place. They learned how to do this in Ireland and were very good at it. They convinced much of India's educated class that India's culture was aboriginally low. Gandhi did some work to try to restore India's dignity (along with the illustrious figure of Swami Vivekananda who explained to the World Parliament of Religions 100 years ago about Vedic thought and countered the vicious propaganda of the British which however still has negative effects to the day).

As far as being "jaded" goes ... I would say that there are two India's. I am just hoping that the ideals of ancient India will win out and the negative effects of multiple invasions (together with the internal weaknesses that allowed these invasions to succeed) will win out. I am personally acquainted with a number of leading Indians who are scrupulously honest and fully devoted to restoring India to its ancient glory ... not by conquering other lands but by living lives devoted to God. This high opinion does not include Mr. Modi who is a stooge for the Western Banksters.

Skateboarder's picture

You totally get it man!

I Feel a little Qeasy's picture

Another moron with his eyes closed and no knowledge of history. You are a terminal fuck-wit.

Davidduke2000's picture

India used like the west consumption based economy  and spent its money accordingly, it will pay the price  as most of the money ended up in the pockets of the corrupt politicians and bankers, now that the economy is in shamles  the fake numbers no longer add up and the depression will hit India and Japan first since both used the fraudulent system. 

goldenrod's picture

Jayant Bhandari is an idiot.  The situation is rapidly coming back to normal and cash is now available in most ATMs.  As a matter of fact the RBI (Reserve Bank of India) just increased the daily withdrawal limit to Rs 4500 per day from Rs 2500 per day.  Most Indians (including poor people) support Modi and demonitization.  His party is winning local elections conducted after demonetization.  Bhandari sounds like someone who has an axe to grind.

ilovetexas's picture

My ass thinks modi is a true idiot

Jethro's picture

Does CRT have an Indian affiliate?

East Indian's picture

Please come out of your gated community and go look into the adjoining slum (i dare you); or go 70 km into the countryside, take a left turn, drive for 15 km further and check that hamlet. 

 

The Indian urban middle class is the most selfish in the entire world; it never cares about others. 

goldenrod's picture

What is your point East Indian and what have you done for the poor in India?  No one denies that there are a lot of poor people in India and no one denies that demonetization has caused temporary hardship.  Part of the reason poor suffer so much is that the wealthy cheat on their taxes.  Those tax cheats are the primary target of demonetization.  What will you say if 6 months from now the money supply goes back to what it was on Nov 8 and the economy recovers?

 

Skateboarder's picture

Taxes aint got nothin' to do with it. Intended and ruthless suppression is all there is. If the Ambanis et al. of India spent just 1% of 1 year's worth of their income, there would be no slums in India - but that's not the intention, is it? Those poor fvcks must live in squalor, right next to their towers of steel. It's a totally fvcked landscape of boundless greed, with no fixin'.

Dragon HAwk's picture

Nice Country you got there, be a shame if it fell into some kind of a Cesspool or something.

Dugald's picture

 

It is a Cesspool....

Bear's picture

India should actively pursue British Rule 

HenryHall's picture

The textile industry in Ludhiana in Punjab should simply have changed to selling their product for silver instead of for money. Actually, they still can.

Suppliers would not be slow to accept payments in silver instead of money.

buzzsaw99's picture

it would be nice if ordinary usa people could bribe their own public officials. alas, only bankers and billionaires can legally bribe usa politicians.

Jethro's picture

Best ROI to be had is buying a Senator.   Might be worth taking out a loan!

I am Jobe's picture

Indians are being pussified. All that education and no common sense

HRH Feant's picture
HRH Feant (not verified) I am Jobe Jan 1, 2017 7:08 PM

What education? Most of the populace is illiterate.