Israel’s dependence on lobby’s pressure will cause hostility to U.S. Jews, Nathan Glazer warned in 1976

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Israel is becoming more and more isolated in the world, so it depends on one friend, the United States. But supporting Israel is not in America’s interests. In fact, Israel is a strategic liability for the U.S. That makes American Jewish influence the ultimate pillar of Israel’s survival. And that pressure comes at a considerable cost: American Jews will inevitably be exposed to hostility from non-Jews. Therefore, American Jews must press Israel for a declaration in exchange for wielding our influence: Israel will return to the 1967 lines in return for Arab recognition.

That’s a blunt and realistic assessment of the role, and risks, of the Israel lobby, right? And here is the amazing thing about the argument: the eminent Jewish scholar Nathan Glazer made it more than 40 years ago. The Harvard sociologist most famous for co-authorship of Beyond the Melting Pot, Glazer stated these ideas in very much those words in an essay in a dissident Jewish publication in 1976.

I lately came across Glazer’s essay, titled “American Jews and Israel: The Last Support,” in the New York Public Library. I typed it up. You can read the bulk of the essay below, followed by my commentary.

First the context. A crisis came for Jewish supporters of Israel in 1973, after the U.S. was compelled to airlift arms to Israel during the Yom Kippur War. On the right, Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol argued that American Jews should abandon the Democratic Party because it was dovish, and Israel depended on a hawkish American foreign policy. But on the left, the dissident group Breira was born, opposed to Israel’s militarism and occupation.

Though Nathan Glazer was a New York boy who’d been part of the famous socialist cell at the City College of New York, he has always been a free-thinker (see James Traub’s profile); and he thought that Israel needed to make peace. Breira only lasted a few years, before the Jewish establishment crushed it. But Glazer wrote his piece for the Breira publication, Interchange, in November 1976, when he was 54.

“American Jews and Israel: the last support,” by Nathan Glazer (with elisions marked by …)

History has so arranged matters that the Jews of Israel and the Jews of the United States are more closely linked and more desperately linked than they ever thought possible. According to the theories of Zionism, and until some time after the state of Israel was created, it was believed that Israel would serve as a cultural center for world Jewry, would revitalize Jewish education, culture, and religion in the diaspora, and –in the more political formulations of Zionism—would serve as a refuge for Jews and a supporter of Jewish interests in the world. It was expected that the Jews of the United States and other countries of the Diaspora would provide financial support for the upbuilding of Israel. In measure, things have worked out as expected. What was not expected, was that events would so develop that the United States would end up the last support for Israel, and that American Jews would thereby become crucial for the Jews of Israel.

What has brought this situation to pass is the progressive isolation of the State of Israel in the world. We must look back twenty five years to realize how far Israel has fallen in world support. At its birth, both superpowers, the United States and USSR, supported it. Most of the countries of the world agreed it should come into existence, should be legitimate as a state, should be a member of the United Nations.

All this is past. The cluster of the democracies in the world maintain relations with Israel and will speak for it on occasion in international forums. A scattering of other nations—principally in Latin America—maintain relations. But only one nation will on occasion speak forcefully for Israel. More significantly, only one nation will supply Israel with sophisticated arms, and can be depended on to resupply it in case of another war.

There are various explanations which are advanced for the consistent American support for Israel. What makes the issue murky is to define the set of influences that, in a multi-ethnic democracy that happens to be a world power and the leader of an alliance of democracies, play on the making of foreign policy decisions. While the question of who is in the command position is not unimportant, it is only one factor in a set of influences. It is the complex of influences, this and how we interpret them, that leads to discrepancies in how we rate the role of American Jews in maintaining American policy on its present course.

One explanation that is often argued to explain American support for Israel is that it is in American interests, broadly conceived, to maintain America’s support for Israel. I doubt that is true. It is clearly not to the material interests of the U.S., which are so often thought by the Left to affect American foreign policy, to continue the strong support of Israel. The Arab market is much larger than the Israeli. American business has a substantial share of the market, but undoubtedly it would have a larger share were it not for the strong connection between the United States and Israel.

It is also strongly argued that American security interests dictate the Israeli tie. The argument is hard to understand. The basic posture in the Middle East is that the United States tries to resist and slow the advance of Soviet influence in that area. It has two allies in this endeavor—Iran and Saudi Arabia—and is developing influence in Egypt. It is not inconceivable that the ruler of Iran, perhaps of Saudi Arabia, will be replaced by those who are more sympathetic to Russia. Such a change in Israeli is inconceivable. Israel is more constant in that respect, but it is also very small, provides no bases for the United States, limits the degree to which Middle East allies will adhere to us, produces constant hostility in our relations to states running from Algeria to Iraq.

American military men have often been pro-Israel because it is so effective militarily. In this respect, it can play a role in various strategic considerations. But when one considers the larger strategic picture, one suspects the commitment to Israel must be seen as an overall liability.

If it is not American material interests, not strategic interests, what then dictates the tie to Israel? Two things, one more tenuous, the other rather concrete. The more tenuous basis of the tie is the basic commitment of many Americans and American foreign policy to democracy, or, if you will, their opposition to Communism. This commitment has been the central pillar of American postwar foreign policy, and Israel has been the beneficiary.

At the present moment, we are engaged in the United States in a confused and serious struggle in which this American commitment to democracy is being undermined by analyses—generally from the liberal and left part of the political spectrum—which assert that concern for democracy has played no role in American foreign policy. Secondly, it is being undermined by the opposite argument that democracy should play no role in American foreign policy. After South Vietnam the abhorrence of any activist and interventionist foreign and military policy is understandable. It is not popular with new men in politics who have no recollection of the forging of the great postwar measures and alliances to restrain Communism and protect democracy. The fact is that Communism increasingly fails to arouse a moral reaction; those who take a moral view of it are seen as troublesome and troublemakers […]

All I am saying is that one central feature of this policy, opposition to Communism in its aspect as a denial of freedom and liberty, is now under attack, and it is just this feature of American foreign policy that should not be abandoned […] If this central feature is given up, then one reason for American support of Israel would disappear.

The second major pillar of American support for Israel seems firmer. It is American Jews. History has so arranged things that it is the only Jewish community that basically counts for the defense of Israel. American Jews are placed in a key position. But I believe this position is often misunderstood.

It is misunderstood in the United States where men as informed and important as the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former vice president have ridiculously exaggerated notions of Jewish influence. It is misunderstood in Israel, where the power of American Jews is exaggerated, and the conditions which set a limit to the power are not understood.

Power is not something wielded in a vacuum. There are limits to the role any ethnic group may play in affecting American foreign policy. It should be recalled that we have gone to war twice against Germany despite the fact that Germans in the United States are four or five times as numerous as Jews, and we have gone to war against Italy, even though there are more Italians in the United States than Jews. An American ethnic group is benignly allowed to exercise its influence in defense of the interests of its homeland only as long as these do not conflict with what are seen to be larger interests. American Jews have power only because their fellow citizens are friendly to their exercise of this power. They can become less friendly to this exercise. They can indeed become hostile to it.

Thus, American Jews can raise considerable sums of money for Israel, on the basis of tax exemption for charity, though this money, used to absorb refugees, and for health and welfare services, aids at least in part to permit Israel to use other funds for arms. American Jews unabashedly lobby for pro-Israel measures with Congress, and make it politically uncomfortable to be against Israel and even take an “evenhanded” position. The political figure who does will be subject to much pressure and name-calling, some of it quite unfair. But as I have said, power must be seen in context. The context has been that it is safe for American Jews to do what they do. Political leaders have not resented the pressure much because it has not cost them much to support Israel. There is after all no substantial countervailing power. Insofar as Americans have opinions, they overwhelmingly support Israel.

Thus, I believe that those visiting Israelis who go away from Congresspeople convinced that they have nothing to fear and that American Jews need only keep up the pressure are wrong. There are three factors which are undermining American popular support for Israel and are increasing its costliness. First is that it has become costly financially. Until the 1973 war, Israel needed no substantial military credits or grants from the United States. Its own resources sufficed, along with overseas aid from Jews. Since then, first the replacement of arms destroyed in that war, and then the escalation of the arms race against infinitely more wealthy opponents have required heavy grants and credits, over $2 billion a year. This is an enormous sum to go to one small country, when it is realized that foreign aid of all kinds is unpopular in the U.S., and that this amount is almost half of all that the U.S budgets for foreign aid. This has already had political consequences. Congresspeople—some—have begun to question it, newspapers have begun to question it. Some Congresspeople have resisted appropriating these sums. Jewish organizations have tried to increase pressure on them, which has aroused their hostility of the lobby for Israel.

The second factor which is undermining American popular support for Israel is the shift in the way in which the American mass media –perhaps we should say the shift in the underlying realities of the situation. But let us separate image and reality for a moment. The image until 1973 was that Israel was ready to negotiate and talk with the Arabs, but the Arabs are intransigent and would not talk to Israel. This view has been reversed. Sadat appears – and is presented as moderate. All he wants back is his territories. Israelis are presented as intransigent and obdurate. One certainly finds sympathy for King Hussein. One may even find sympathy for Syria. All they want back is their territories. The Palestinian refugees have always had sympathy. They have much more now. One cannot underestimate the effect of front-page maps in the New York Times—there have been two recently—showing what looks like a dense mass of Jewish settlement in occupied Arab territory, or the influence of newspaper and television coverage of disorders on the West Bank. The images are reminiscent of Southern state troopers beating blacks – well-equipped soldiers grabbing young boys and girls. I do not suggest there is any intent in this. It is the nature of the media to focus in on the moment of violence when the soldiers grab the civilian, not the lengthly [sic] preceding period of taunts and rock-throwing.

The third element undermining American popular support is the same element that in the end may undermine American diplomatic and military support—the Arabs are strong, they are numerous, they are wealthy, they are clearly here to stay, while Israel… well, it requires endless effort to stay in the same place. People get tired.

If the present situation continues, popular support for Israel will weaken. Jewish pressure then on American policy becomes more costly—to Jews. Even now, of course, this pressure is not costless. A favor given in one area means one can deny a favor in another.

But what if there was a different Israeli policy? Would such a change reduce the developing pressures on American Jews from their countrymen to limit their uncategorical support? Could American Jews support a different policy more effectively, and with less threat to their position?

I fear that by asking these questions I will be interpreted as saying that because American Jews may find their position uncomfortable they should moderate their support for Israel, and press Israel against its better judgment, to undertake policies that may increase the risk of another holocaust. This is not what I am saying at all. The danger to which Israel is exposed pales any possible discomfort for American Jews. But that is my position, and neither other Americans nor American Jews will see it that way. Despite the fact that Jews have had it very good in the United States, there is among them an everpresent and underlying concern, sometimes fear, that things will change. This is a reality that must be taken into account. Israelis having fought four wars and living under a terrible siege, may have a legitimate disdain for whatever concern American Jews have for their condition, but they cannot ignore it in their calculations.

Is there a policy that might make it easier for American Jews to continue their unstinting support for Israel, and for the U.S. to accept their arguments? Can we find such a policy that does not increase the danger in which Israel lives, a danger such that one defeat risks annihilation? The argument is often made that “we cannot worry about public relations; since our lives are in danger, we must do whatever protects our security, and cannot risk this for good will.” The situation in the U.S., however, cannot be met by such an argument from the Israelis because the good will in question is not a fringe benefit that one can dispense with: it is the key element in Israeli defense, for without it, American military arms will flow more slowly or will be delayed in an emergency. Israel needs American good will as much as it needs American arms. The fact that a different policy may increase danger in one respect must be balanced by the fact that it makes possible the continuation of defense in another.

I—and others, in Israel, and out—believe there is such a policy that fulfills all these conditions. It is a policy which I suspect most American opinion—perhaps most American Jewish opinion—thought was Israeli policy after the 1967 war, but which in recent years, it has become clear, is less and less Israel’s policy. The policy I have in mind is for Israel to say and mean that all the gains of the 1967 war will be given up for real peace—recognition, open frontiers, trade, guarantees for peace, and for Israel to say it will talk to any parties to the dispute face to face to achieve such a settlement. There are many arguments to be made in favor of such a policy: while most of the world seemed to accept the 1967 frontiers as legitimate (they had, after all, lasted almost 20 years), none of it accepts the present frontiers as permanent; that some of the parties on the Arab side and in time, perhaps most, might be willing to accept the 1967 borders as permanent, but none will ever accept the present frontiers as permanent, or any frontiers that include part of the 1967 conquests; and that Israel needs most of all in the world, peace based on legitimacy.

While no one can dismiss the argument that the Arabs will never accept anything but the destruction of Israel, the policy proposed here has a safeguard. The return to the 1967 borders is based on actions that the Arab states must take, actions that have been enormously difficult for them to take in the past, but which if they do take now would signify a willingness to say to their people that they must begin to contemplate living with Israel in peace. We should not underestimate the significance of such words. Words principally will be required from the Arab states at this point but what is required in exchange for all the territories are infinitely important words—recognition, acceptance, regular trade and tourist relations, the ending of the boycott, and some of these involve actions as well as words.

I know the difficulties Israel faces as a democratic state in adopting such a policy, but if this policy is the means by which the support from the U.S. is continued to be assured and peace may ultimately be glimpsed, too, then Israeli leaders must be bold enough to propose it and argue for it with their people. It is playacting for Israel to say in the present juncture we will keep this, and we will need that, and we are not really sure what we can give back. The situation has never existed in which such options were open to Israel: the Arabs would never accept them and no nation in the world would support Israel in changing the 1967 borders.

To conclude: Israeli security now depends almost entirely on American support, political and military. That support is crucially, though not entirely, dependent on the pressure of American Jews in support of Israel. A policy which American public opinion cannot accept as just is not a policy that the U.S. can continue to uphold; and the efforts of American Jews to uphold American support for it will then also weaken. The present course is clearly dangerous to Israel’s survival; the alternative offers some hope, first and at the least, for an important public relations advantage today—not unimportant in a democracy—but also—and this I admit is more doubtful—for an ultimate settlement in the future.

A few comments:

I don’t think there is a more frank and candid description of the role of the Israel lobby to be found at that stage of its existence. Notice there is no bullshit about Christian Zionism being Israel’s pillar, or George Washington and Abraham Lincoln wanting the return to Jerusalem, as Zionism’s defenders claim today, when there is a whole propaganda industry dedicated to denying what Glazer states baldly: Israel depends on American Jews, because it’s not in American material or strategic interests to support it.

Just what Nathan Glazer said in 1976, Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, two non-Jewish scholars, said 30 years later in the London Review of Books. They got smeared as anti-Semites for telling the truth about the pro-Israel Jewish community’s influence and the neoconservative impetus for the Iraq war. Though they were read in the highest offices of government, and ignited the Israel lobby debate, which continues at the margins of the mainstream to this day– with a yearly conference on the matter coming next month in Washington.

Notice what Glazer got wrong. He said that supporting Israel as it grew progressively isolated was so much against American interests that Jewish pressure would end up undermining the Jewish position in the United States. Not so! American Jewish support only got stronger for 40 years, Breira was pushed off stage (in part through the offices of young ideologue Wolf I. Blitzer), and Israel kept erasing the 1967 lines and getting more and more isolated. But American stayed at its side. Glazer said Israeli Jews were wrong to believe that the U.S. can be pushed around; but maybe they weren’t. That is precisely what Benjamin Netanyahu said in his famous hot-mic moment in 2002: The U.S. can be easily moved. And the war against radical Islam is only cementing the bond between the countries’ leaderships.

Why was Glazer so wrong? As I have insisted in all discussions of the Israel lobby, the lobby’s success cannot be disentwined from the rise of Jews into the establishment. Glazer was writing at a time when Alan Dershowitz had angrily threatened to leave Harvard Law School unless a Jew was finally named dean. Glazer and Dershowitz could not have imagined the degree of Jewish inclusion that was to follow the 70s, with Jews at the heads of global industries from finance to education to Hollywood, and in leading positions in government and media, including three Jews on the Supreme Court. The US establishment came to rely on the Jewish presence; and part of the deal was deference to the Israel lobby, notably a multitude of neocons and Zionists in policy-making positions from Clinton to Bush to Obama.

That deal may well be unraveling as we speak. So Nathan Glazer’s words are prescient after all.

Let’s revisit Glazer’s warning about anti-Semitic reaction. In 2014, Bruce Shipman, the Episcopalian chaplain at Yale, lost his job for a short letter to the New York Times saying that Israel’s onslaught on Gaza, which had killed 2200 Palestinians, was fueling anti-Semitism around the world; and the best antidote was for “Israel’s patrons abroad to press the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for final-status resolution to the Palestinian question.” Last week the New York Times ran another letter with a very similar message. Roderick Balfour, a descendant of Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary who penned the Balfour Declaration 100 years ago, said that Israel’s inability to respect Palestinian rights “coupled with the expansion into Arab territory of the Jewish settlements, are major factors in growing anti-Semitism around the world.”

Glazer said the same thing: There will be “hostility” toward American Jews unless they put pressure on Israel to announce that it will end the occupation. The great pity is that American Jews have not heeded his advice for 40 years; and the occupation is more solid than ever; and no one who studies the conflict can imagine a peaceful resolution.

 

 

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  1. broadside
    February 24, 2017, 3:13 pm

    “That makes American Jewish influence the ultimate pillar of Israel’s survival. And that pressure comes at a considerable cost: American Jews will inevitably be exposed to hostility from non-Jews.”

    Phil gets to say this and I don’t??

    Well, the perks of ownership, I suppose.

    • Philip Weiss
      February 25, 2017, 8:13 am

      Nathan Glazer said that

    • genesto
      February 25, 2017, 1:33 pm

      I, a non Jew, am saying it too. My wife and step-children are Jewish and I fear for their future – more, in fact, than I fear for my own children of Arab descent – precisely because of this.

      • Mooser
        February 25, 2017, 2:55 pm

        I don’t know where you live, but in America, a social reappraisal can be scary. It’s a long way down to equal.

    • JWalters
      February 26, 2017, 8:11 pm

      I too have had a few posts rejected that brought up this possibility. Ultimately, I defer to Phil’s judgement about when the American Jewish community is ready to look at this. A move too late is useless, but a move too soon can sometimes cause a major setback. Timing is important.

      Hereafter we’ll be able to quote this article and link to it. I suspect a certain amount of delicacy may still be required to avoid stampeding the herd in a counterproductive direction.

      Ultimately, American Jews will have to look at the fact that they have been duped, as Jewish psychologist Avigail Abarbanel explains in “It’s time for American Jews to recognize they have been duped”
      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/american-recognize-duped.

      They will have to look at the fact that a small group of extremely wealthy members of their community have the power to silence Rabbis, and do so. e.g. “Rabbis want to criticize Israel but fear donors (and NYT buries the news)”
      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/rabbis-criticize-donors/

      Thus they dupe the whole Jewish community.

      A bigger problem arises when they have the power to silence major news outlets, thus duping the non-Jewish population as well. e.g. “Iran beats US for wrestling world cup, but you wouldn’t know it from watching NBC”
      http://mondoweiss.net/2017/02/wrestling-wouldnt-watching/

      And depending on their purposes in duping the wider community, this can cause different degrees of blowback from the wider community. Therefore it is in the American Jewish community’s best interest to divest themselves of the predators in their midst.

    • Keith
      February 24, 2017, 6:08 pm

      MAGLAWATAN- (from your link) “According to the Jewish-American publication, Gorka from 2002 to 2007 worked with openly racist and anti-Semitic groups, as well as public figures who hold such views.”

      The pot is calling the kettle black! Did The Forward complain about Victoria Nuland rubbing elbows with Ukrainian neo-Nazis? Did any Jewish organization raise a ruckus when the US recruited Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen at the end of WWII? When he became the first head of the German BND (CIA)? Suddenly, these people are first opening their eyes?

  2. catalan
    February 24, 2017, 7:11 pm

    “American Jews will inevitably be exposed to hostility from non-Jews.” –
    So, unless Jews think and act in specific ways they will be exposed to hostility. What other minorities should also be exposed to hostility unless they do and think certain things?Should Blacks be required to think in certain ways about crime and drugs to avoid hostility? Should Hispanics be required to be against illegal immigration?
    This is such an incorrect premise: people who look for a reason to hate will always find one. You can’t please haters.

    • Maghlawatan
      February 25, 2017, 1:17 am

      Women, GLBT, other religious minorities, national minorities, fat people (who must be jolly)

      get off your high horse, catalan

    • Stephen Shenfield
      February 25, 2017, 9:10 am

      No, the premise is on the whole correct. There are a few people who have a pathological inner need to hate and will always find a reason. But they are a small minority of haters (people who hate). Most haters have real reasons to hate, based on experience and facts of which they are aware. If and when they have a new kind of experience or learn facts of which they were previously unaware, their hatred starts to weaken or dissipate. The understandable hatred of Jews on the part of victims of Zionism or sympathizers with those victims who assume that all Jews are Zionists often dissipates upon first encounter with an anti-Zionist Jew (I know this from personal experience).

      As we are responsible for foreseeable consequences of our words and actions, we should indeed not take actions or assume attitudes that will expose us and the groups to which we belong to experience-based hatred. So yes! Jews should denounce Zionist crimes, while Blacks (to take a recent case) should not try to excuse Blacks who torture a mentally retarded white youngster.

    • eljay
      February 25, 2017, 9:11 am

      || catalan: … So, unless Jews think and act in specific ways they will be exposed to hostility. … ||

      It’s possible that non-Zionist Jews may suffer blowback for the actions of American and foreign Zionist Jews who for decades have pressured successive U.S. governments to defend and fund Zionist acts of injustice and immorality that are of no benefit to America or to Americans.

      I agree with you that non-Zionist Jews should not have to pay for the actions of Zionist Jews. But I’m not as certain as you are that Zionist Jews won’t be able to successfully direct the blowback away from themselves and onto non-Zionist Jews.

  3. lonely rico
    February 24, 2017, 10:49 pm

    > catalan
    … unless Jews think and act in specific ways they will be exposed to hostility.

    You’re right catalan, Jews, (and any other group for that matter), who act with cruel murderous violence, will be met with hostility by those who are sickened by the horrific racist hatred of the Israelis.

    • Mooser
      February 25, 2017, 10:50 am

      Poor “catalan” can’t face facts.
      Zionism was supposed to be protected by respect for the Jewish religion (in this antisemitic world?) and redound to the credit of every Jew.

      Instead, we ended up hostages to Zionism.

  4. Maghlawatan
    February 25, 2017, 1:39 am

    Glazer is a great find. Hannah Arendt and Albert Einstein figured it out early on as did Hans Kohn and Martin Buber. Leibowitz analysed it in Hebrew. Elmer Berger and Henry Schwarzschild were prophets. Norman Finkelstein, Amira Hass and Gideon Levy carry the torch in our day. All have been sidelined and ignored by the Zionist movement. Smoch alai. Trust me

    Business Insider had a very insightful article the other day about psychological insights for work.

    http://www.businessinsider.de/wall-street-performance-coach-denise-shull-how-to-get-out-of-a-slump-2017-2

    1. Resolve alone won’t get results.
    2. Unless the core problem is addressed the same mistakes will be repeated over and over again
    3. Emotions must be dealt with, not ignored
    4. Choose the emotions you want
    5. The personal and the professional are linked

    Emotions are fractal . They work on all different levels, from Yossi Israeli’s relationship with his mother in law to the thinking at the command centre in the Kirya, the HQ of the Israeli Army.

    The Zionist view of the world is manufactured. It does not see Palestinians. And there are far too many of them to ignore now.

    The outsiders were right.

    • Boomer
      March 1, 2017, 9:35 am

      @Maghlawatan, thanks for the link and insights: from a business consultant’s context, but useful.

      • Maghlawatan
        March 1, 2017, 9:51 am

        @Boomer

        Psychology is fascinating , especially groupthink
        And Zionism is groupthink

  5. Maghlawatan
    February 25, 2017, 2:28 am

    1976 was at the fag end of Keynesianism. That was a different economic system in which debt was controlled. Milton Friedman was one of the designers of neoliberalism, the system we have now, in which debt is unlimited.

    A study of extreme US wealth would show that the amount of money controlled by the richest billionaires is at least 10 times higher than the same in the late 20s . And money is power.
    Zionism made hay during the years of neoliberalism. People like Gary Cohn of Goldie, Haim Saban, the old guy with the pneumatic wife etc

    But there are storm clouds on the horizon. Bannon is de facto President. The NYT is at war with the WH. And the Polish peasants are angry.

    Glazer was maybe 50 years out

  6. catalan
    February 25, 2017, 11:24 am

    “Jews should denounce Zionist crimes, while Blacks (to take a recent case) should not try to excuse Blacks who torture a mentally retarded white youngster.” – Stephen
    First, I don’t think that anyone “should” do anything. The US was founded on the principle that each person can have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom of thought is an essential right as well, and freedom of expression too. It means that people can have very strange thoughts – there are communists and Nazis and KKK parades and even roads with KKK dedications. There are black panthers and La Raza and gay conversion therapy. You can purchase Mein Kampf in a local Barnes and Noble, and the Quran, and the Talmud.
    I am not afraid of any “blowback” that people here speak about, because actually dividing Jews into Zionist and anti-Zionist is non-sense. It’s like dividing Jews into those that like horses and those who don’t. I don’t have to have an opinion on Chinese Communism, the genocide of the Assyrians in 1915, or Hitler, or Israel. Being Jewish does not make me anymore responsible for the actions of Israel, than any other human, or a pig for that matter. I feel comfortable that virtually all New Mexicans see it that way.
    I have lived in New Mexico for the last 11 years and have heard Israel mentioned only a few times (a few positive, a few negative). My being Jewish has been overall not an issue at all, also many of the Hispanic Catholics here are Jewish Conversos who fled Spain during the Inquisition. It’s a great place to be Jewish, to be human, and I will take my chances.The irony is, most people who don’t like Jews don’t like Arabs either. Warren Buffet said yesterday that kids born in America now are the luckiest crop in history. I agree with him.

    • eljay
      February 25, 2017, 2:12 pm

      || catalan: … I am not afraid of any “blowback” that people here speak about … ||

      That’s because you’re a Zionist.

      || … because actually dividing Jews into Zionist and anti-Zionist is non-sense. … ||

      So you’re saying that Jews are just one big monolithic group – “the Jews”. How very anti-Semitic of you.

      || … It’s like dividing Jews into those that like horses and those who don’t. … ||

      It’s cute how you reduce Jewish supremacism to a mere difference in appreciation of equines. Are you equally considerate of supremacists in other groups?

      • Citizen
        February 26, 2017, 9:25 am

        At some point, people en masse quit distinguishing between Nazi Germans and other Germans. the phrase “willing executioners” comes to mind…is this claim relevant here? If so, how so? If not, why not? Ditto re the phrase “banality of evil.”

  7. Maghlawatan
    February 25, 2017, 4:14 pm
    • lysias
      February 26, 2017, 9:48 am

      Thanks to Haim Saban.

    • Boomer
      March 1, 2017, 9:39 am

      re “Ellison lost” Thanks for the link. It’s not surprising that the Israeli press would emphasize the lobby’s role, and not surprising that the U.S. MSM would ignore it. At least, based on the nonscientific sample provided by the coverage I saw during the long contest, the only hint (for the already-well-informed observer) was the concern about Ellison’s purported “anti-Semitism.”

  8. Scott
    February 25, 2017, 9:47 pm

    Even when I was a neocon, Nat was my favorite

    • Citizen
      February 26, 2017, 9:27 am

      @ Scott
      So what caused you to stop being a neocon? And why don’t the rest of them see that?

    • Mooser
      February 26, 2017, 1:07 pm

      “Even when I was a neocon…”

      You qualified as a neocon? Now I know you are a serious person.

      • Maghlawatan
        February 26, 2017, 5:33 pm

        In French, to be con means to be an idiot.
        A neocon is a newish idiot

      • Citizen
        February 27, 2017, 5:13 am

        Defining “neocon” in American usage: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
        Personally, I think the litmus test was, is the PNAC agenda, which is still thriving; they have a new organizational entity name though.

  9. YoniFalic
    February 26, 2017, 12:26 pm

    Glazer’s analysis only captures one facet of the relationship between Israel and international Jewish communities.

    Walter Rothschild was open to Herzl’s Zionism in part because he saw it (incorrectly) as a means to access Mesopotamian oil and because the French Rothschilds had shut the British Rothschilds out of Czarist oil. (This Rothschild investment may have finally paid off because of the natural gas finds off the coast of Israel although rightfully all this wealth should belong to the native Palestinians and not to the white racist genocidal European invaders and their financial backers.

    In more recent times the Israeli government seems to have been instrumental in making sure that pro-Israel films get funded and that pro-Israel businessmen like Adelson or Saban get more financing than can be justified in strictly financial terms.

    Israel seems to have been heavily involved in stealing US intellectual property, which then often gets used in Israeli startups, which friendly Jewish Zionist Wall Street financiers unload on the public in pump-and-dump schemes. At other times well-placed Jewish Zionists in the US government make sure that US subsidiaries of Israeli firms (often improperly) are eligible to sell product, for which Israel can buy with US aid vouchers.

    Stolen Palestinian property from the OT is available for real estate speculation and flipping. While Trump seems not to have been involved, Trump’s in-laws the Kushners have been.

    This sort of real estate trickery benefits a good number of American Jews, who can wipe out indebtedness by making aliyah to a West Bank settlement, living on (US-funded) Israeli government subsidies, selling their property, and returning to the USA.

    In short, US Jewish support for Israel does not merely benefit Israel. It creates a gravy train from which many Israeli and American Jews dine.

    Mondoweiss has previously discussed one of the more obscure examples of this gravy train.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/oligarch-valley-how-beverly-hills-billionaire-farmers-lynda-and-stewart-resnick-profit-from-the-iran-sanctions-they-lobbied-for/

    It would take a while to explain but because of my historical studies of European Jewish communities, I cannot help but analogize the Zionist commercial-financial-political system in the USA today to the traditional Jewish commercial-financial-political system in Medieval Europe.

    In both cases the Zionist or Jewish leadership has made an effort to guarantee that some of the funds go to the pockets of the correct powerful non-Jews, who can make sure that the wheels of the mechanism of extraction remain well-greased.

    • JWalters
      February 26, 2017, 8:22 pm

      Thanks for the VERY informative run-down on those financial mechanisms. This simultaneously explains why Americans won’t see any of this information in their media’s explanations of what’s going on.

    • Boomer
      March 1, 2017, 9:48 am

      @YoniFalic — I second JWalters’ appreciation for this information.

    • JWalters
      February 28, 2017, 12:19 am

      Excellent article. Thanks.

    • Boomer
      March 1, 2017, 9:50 am

      @Maghlawatan — thanks for the link to Glenn Greenwald’s analysis of why Ellison lost. Very informative. As usual, Greenwald says things one won’t find in the MSM.

  10. Maghlawatan
    February 27, 2017, 11:32 am

    More insightful headline juxtapositions in Ha’aretz
    1. Bomb threats target Jewish centers across US
    2. Gaza tensions flare: 5 airstrikes after rocket attack

    Bombs for Jews. Airstrikes for Palestinians

  11. Krendall Mist
    February 28, 2017, 10:18 pm

    Quite disgraceful, how the Zionist, the J Streeter, and the Israeli apologists at Mondoweiss (settlements bad–Israel good!) long ago wrote Alfred Lilienthal out of history. 25 years before Glazer, Lilienthal wrote: “I am sure that if we Jews as a group are persuaded to divide that love which people normally give to their native land, it can lead only to disaster.”

    Americans Jews of the last half-century are simply repeating the mistakes of those they falsely claim as forebears: a deaf ear for prophecy.

    • Boomer
      March 1, 2017, 9:55 am

      @Krendall Mist–thanks for mentioning Alfred Lillienthal. I had to look him up. Though he is gone, his website is still up. http://realnews247.com/alfred_lilienthal.htm

      • Maghlawatan
        March 1, 2017, 12:22 pm

        Boomer,

        I have added Lillienthal to my list of clued in Jews who saw Zionism for what it was early. So far I have Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt , Yeshayahu Leibowitz,Martin Buber, Nathan Glazer, Henry Schwarzschild and Elmer Berger

        Hillel is the daddy of them all

        “What is hateful to thee, do not do to another.”

        Kudos also to the prophet Micah: “What does the Lord require of thee but to do justly, to love mercy and to walk humbly with thy God.”

      • RoHa
        March 2, 2017, 2:13 am

        Add Moshe Menuhin to your list.

        (Sometimes I think I am the only person who has heard of him.)

  12. Maghlawatan
    March 1, 2017, 2:58 pm

    Now that it is clear that Israel is a moral basket case it is worth looking back at the warnings of US middle East diplomats in 1944
    As they say in Scotland , you cannot polish a turrrrd

    http://images.library.wisc.edu/FRUS/EFacs/1944v05/reference/frus.frus1944v05.i0015.pdf

  13. Maghlawatan
    March 1, 2017, 3:22 pm

    Shot fired through the window of an Indiana synagogue
    http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.774694

    Sounds like something the people in Yitzhar specialise in

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