Trump doubles down on claim '3 million votes were illegal' as Pence promises Republican lawmakers 'a full evaluation'
- Trump brought up voter fraud on Thursday once again at a retreat for GOP lawmakers in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
- Pence was asked about it later in a closed-door session - he said the president was 'spot on' and promised an investigation
- Spokesman Sean Spicer indicated earlier that the president would most likely sign a document authorizing a federal investigation election later today
- The president tweeted that his probe would include illegal immigrants and dead people on voter rolls, along with Americans registered in multiple places
- He put it off on Thursday - his spokesman says it could come Friday or Saturday
- Spicer danced on Tuesday around challenges to the president's claim that millions voted illegally in November
- Republican legislators have joined Democrats in saying publicly that there's no evidence to back up the president's claims
President Donald Trump circulated an unsubstantiated claim that 3 million ballot were cast illegally in the November election again this morning.
'Look forward to seeing final results of VoteStand. Gregg Phillips and crew say at least 3,000,000 votes were illegal. We must do better!' Trump said on Twitter.
Trump has been using the statistic to back up his claims that 3 to 5 million people voted illegally in the presidential election. He's planning to sign an executive order today or tomorrow directing an investigation into the illegal voting he says ran rampant.
At a retreat for lawmakers on Thursday in Philadelphia, Vice President Mike Pence said Trump was 'spot on' and promised to 'initiate a full evaluation of voting rolls in the country and the overall integrity of our voting system in the wake of this past election.'
Pence said, in audio of the question and answer session obtained by The Guardian, 'We’ll be looking at ways to work with you and follow the facts and see where the facts go.'
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President Donald Trump circulated an unsubstantiated claim that 3 million ballot were cast illegally in the November election again this morning. He's planning to sign an executive order today or tomorrow launching an investigation
Trump has been using the statistic to back up his claims that 3 to 5 million people voted illegally in the presidential election
At a retreat for lawmakers on Thursday in Philadelphia, Vice President Mike Pence said Trump was 'spot on' and promised to 'initiate a full evaluation of voting rolls in the country and the overall integrity of our voting system in the wake of this past election'
Trump brought the topic up earlier in the day.
'We are going to protect the integrity of the ballot box, and we are going to defend the votes of the American citizen. So important,' he said in remarks at the retreat that were open to the press.
His spokesman, Sean Spicer, told reporters during a flight from Washington to Pennsylvania that the president would most likely sign a document authorizing a promised, federal investigation into the integrity of the last election that day.
Trump cancelled the executive action on Thursday evening, pushing it off until a future date.
'The president got back a little late and he got jammed up on some meetings that needed to occur, and so we're going to roll all that into Friday and Saturday,' Spicer explained later.
Earlier in the day, The Washington Post revealed that Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner was registered to vote in two states - New Jersey and New York.
So is Tiffany Trump, the president's younger daughter, Spicer, senior counselor to the president Steve Bannon and Treasury Secretary nominee Steve Mnuchin.
All five of them fall into a category Trump is including in his assertions of illegal voting.
Trump believes that as many as 5 million people committed voter fraud, telling lawmakers earlier this week at a private reception that he would have won the popular vote if not for the criminal activity.
Trump told ABC News there would be an investigation into voter fraud on Wednesday, specifically citing the number of people who are registered in multiple states.
'You have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals ... You have people registered in two states. They're registered in a New York and a New Jersey. They vote twice,' Trump told ABC News.
'There are millions of votes, in my opinion. Now we're going to do an investigation.'
Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner is registered to vote in two states - New Jersey and New York. He falls into a category of people Trump is counting in his illegal voter count
So is Tiffany Trump, left, the president's younger daughter, Spicer, senior counselor to the president Steve Bannon and Treasury Secretary nominee Steve Mnuchin
'I want the voting process to be legitimate,' Trump said during an Oval Office interview, while insisting that no one committed voter fraud to help him win the White House.
'Of those votes cast [illegally], none of them come to me. None of them come to me,' he said. 'They would all be for the other side.
Among other statistics, Trump has been relying on the unsubstantiated claim of Phillips, who created the app VoteStand and is the founder of voterfraud.org.
He claimed several days after the election that his group's analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations revealed that 'the number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million.' He said he was 'consulting' his legal team.
Unprovoked, Trump hit on the topic Thursday as he addressed Republican lawmakers at their annual retreat.
'We also need to keep the ballot box safe from illegal voting,' he said. 'And believe me: You take a look at what's registering, folks. They like to say, "Ohhh, Trump. Trump. Trump." Take a look at what's registering.
He promised legislator from his political party, 'We are going to protect the integrity of the ballot box, and we are going to defend the votes of the American citizen. So important.
'All of us here today for the same reason. To serve the citizens of our country. We are not here for ourselves. We are here for them. We are here for the people,' he said. continuing.
Responding to Trump's voter fraud comments after the president was done, Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger told a group of reporters in Philadelphia, 'It derails the message.
'I thought the voter fraud comment, it was very light, kind of touching on it, not a full thing. Any time you get away from our message which is jobs, manufacturing, economy, defense, rebuilding the military, I think you derail the message.'
Trump said Wednesday that many illegal immigrants are registered to vote, others are registered in more than one state, and voter rolls are flush with dead people in whose names ballots are sometimes cast, which is why he's launching an investigation
Trump promised a formal investigation less than 24 hours after Spicer, his press secretary, spent much of his second White House press briefing defending Trump's oft-repeated claim that millions of people cast ballots illegally in November.
'I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time)' the president wrote in a pair of tweets.
'Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!'
Spicer found himself behind the 8-ball on Tuesday as reporter after reporter challenged him for evidence, ultimately blurting out that the Trump administration might launch an investigation into the possibility.
'Maybe we will,' he told one journalist during his daily press briefing.
Pressed on what that could mean, a flustered Spicer insisted that he 'did not' leave the door open for a wide-ranging government probe – but then allowed that 'anything is possible.'
The move to probe the nation's voting systems, which Trump first announced on his Twitter feed, came less than 24 hours after his spokesman defended his oft-repeated claim that millions of people cast ballots illegally in November
White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters on Tuesday that 'maybe we will' investigate Trump's belief in millions of illegal votes, allowing that 'anything is possible' - putting the administration in a bind
The president told a group of Republican and Democratic lawmakers Monday night that he would have won the popular vote if it weren't for between 3 and 5 million illegal votes, according to people who were present.
'He was having a discussion with some folks and mentioned something in passing,' Spicer told reporters on Tuesday.
Trump told ABC Wednesday that the 'conversation lasted like a minute - it was hardly even discussed.'
But he admitted: 'I said it, and I said it strongly.'
Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton collected nearly 3 million more votes than Trump but lost decisively in the Electoral College because the largest part of her popular-vote advantage was concentrated in a small number of states with giant Democratic voter bases.
As disenchanted Democrats argued against the merits of the Electoral College system in the wake of his victory, Trump tweeted that '[i]n addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.'
He also claimed on Twitter that there was 'serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California,' and challenged the media to report on it.
Trump told congressional leaders Monday night that he would have won the popular vote if millions of illegal immigrants hadn't fraudulently voted for Hillary Clinton
Spicer punted a question on Tuesday asking for specific evidence of voter fraud in November, rather than a statistical probability that it happened.
NPR reported in late November that the Trump transition team had provided it with a 45-page list of alleged instances of voter fraud. The public radio network did not publish the document, and a White House spokesperson did not respond on Tuesday to a request for a copy.
But in the post-election weeks when Green Party candidate Jill Stein waged battles to recount votes in three swing-states, Trump's lawyers argued in a legal brief that the results should stand because '[a]ll available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake.'
Some Republicans are openly skeptical of Trump's views about widespread voter fraud.
Arizona Sen. John McCain said Wednesday on 'Morning Joe' that 'there's no evidence of that, and I think that those who allege that have to come up with some substantiation of the claim.'
McCain chuckled that 'I won by 14 points. I'm absolutely sure that there was not a single illegal vote in Arizona.'
On the same MSNBC show, Maryland Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings fretted that 'this argument about voter fraud ... gives the Republicans and others another tool and another reason to justify to the public of denying people the right to vote.'
Spicer reinforced on Monday that Trump's notion of millions of illegally cast votes is 'a longstanding belief that he's maintained.'
But NPR correspondent Mara Liasson challenged him about why the president wouldn't want to get to the bottom of it.
'If 3 to 5 million people voted illegally, that is a scandal of astronomical proportions,' Liasson declared in the White House press briefing room.
'Doesn't he want to restore Americans' faith in their ballot system? Wouldn't he want an investigation of this? This is a huge, huge scandal.'
'We'll see where we go from here,' Spicer replied. 'But right now the focus that the president has is on putting Americans back to work.'
The president made allegations of 'voter fraud' in November, after he won the election, tweeting that he lost the popular vote because of 'millions of people who voted illegally'
House Speaker Paul Ryan told reporters Tuesday at the U.S. Capitol that he has 'seen no evidence to that effect,' referring to Trump's claims. 'I've made that very, very clear.'
The president often warned in the final month of the presidential campaign that voter fraud could cost him the election.
During a late October rally in Cleveland, Ohio, he called it 'a rigged election.'
Citing statistics from the Pew Research Center, Trump said that 'there are 24 million voter registrations in the United States that are either invalid or significantly inaccurate. A lot, right? 24 million. A lot.'
'There are 1.8 million dead people that are registered right now to vote,' he continued.
'And folks, folks: Some of them vote! I wonder why. I wonder how that happens. They woke up from the dead, and they went and voted!'
'There are 2.8 million people who are registered in more than one state,' he mused. So, "We'll vote here, let's ride down the road, let's vote next to it".'
And then, reacting to a fan in the audience, he stopped cold.
'Maybe they'll vote for Trump. I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't be saying this. I may be hurting myself!'
'You're right! You're right,' he responded to the unsolicited advice. 'Maybe they're gonna vote for Trump!'
'Alright,' he laughed, 'let's forget that. It's okay for them to do it!'
In a late November conference call with reporters, Trump's senior policy adviser Stephen Miller declined to speculate about a Justice Department investigation, but called voter fraud allegations 'an issue of concern.'
'There's a concern that so many voted who were not legally supposed to,' he said.
On Tuesday, Spicer defended his boss by citing the same Pew study then-candidate Trump crowed about three months ago, but confused its statistics with another piece of research.
'There was one that came out of Pew in 2008 that showed 14 per cent of people who've voted were non-citizens,' he claimed.
That number came from a 2014 Washington Post article by a pair of Old Dominion University professors. It was later challenged by other researchers, who claimed the professors' findings stemmed from 'measurement error.'
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